June 26, 2024 • 6 mins
We get Grgor thoughts on the All Blacks squad named earlier this week and talk about an interesting article he wrote for the NZ Herald this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
International rugby coverage on the Country. Sport Breakfast is proudly
brought to you by Access Solutions, elevating you and your
business to a higher level. Pretty two away from eight o'clock.
Joining us on the show this morning, Gregor, Paul Columbus
Fort the New Zealand Here will get onto spelling IP
secrets in just a couple of moments, Gregor. But firstly,
your thoughts on the all black squad that was named recently.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh, look, bizarrely it ended up being a little bit
predictable if you like. It looked very much like the
sort of squad you would have imagined that Ian Foster
and his selection team would have picked had they still
been the coaching group. So I think there was an
expectation that we're going to see one or two more
(00:48):
you know, new faces, exciting selections, guys that came out
of left field a little bit to start a World
Cup cycle really juge things up a little bit, and
we probably three or four examples. There were opportunities for
that to happen and they didn't. And I guess the
overall feeling ones that was quite a conservative selection. But look,
it's a good group of thirty two capable are winning
(01:10):
test matches and that will be probably the only thing
that matters.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
All right, Well, I guess the proof will be in
the putting next Saturday, not the Saturday, but Nick Saturday,
under the under the roof of foresight, bar into Needing. Hey,
I want to touch on and I really enjoyed reading
it your latest article in the Herald spilling ip secrets
damaging the abs. We've head, coaches and players been going
overseas for a long long time, really since the game
(01:37):
became professional, haven't we.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well that's not new, I mean, and that's really been
the crow in fring the zooland since day one are
professional rugby is you know, small country limited means a
lot of good players, not enough contracts to keep them here,
so they're going to go. They're going to see good
players heading off short. We've seen that time of memorial really.
But what we're seeing and coaches as well, what we're
(02:01):
seeing that's a wee bit different than the last I
don't know ten years, is how quickly and directly coaches
in particular are jumping from high value positions inside New Zealand.
I'll be albeit, you know, within the old lecks now
you know, I've seen Joe Schmid do this go directly
from the Old Lecks directly to a Tier one, you know,
(02:25):
proper enemy type country like Australia. And we've seen Andrew Strawbridge.
He was part of the Old Blacks. He's with England
at the moment. He's having a very powerful effect with them.
And this is a new trind's and it's probably an
underappreciated trend the danger that it poses to New Zealand
because it's not like Joe will be leaving with tactical
(02:48):
or strategic secrets necessarily, because you know Razor and his
team will be evolving how the team plays. But what
he does have is a cachet of inside knowledge about
individual player and if you go back to the World
Cup last year, that was proven to be highly valuable
when Joel was able to use what he knew about
(03:09):
individual Irish players to feed into the All Black game
plan for that quarter final. And we're talking games here
that flip on a pass, a kick, a drop this
or whatever it might be. And if you've got one
little bit of intel that you know that one guy
doesn't like tackling off his right shoulder, whatever it is
that Joel can feed into the system. It can become
(03:30):
a huge, huge moment in the game. And you've got
to be careful about how much intel you let loose
into other teams, and you've got to be careful not
to underappreciate how valuable that could be.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And we've seen, you know, we're talking about Joe Schmidt
when he coached Ireland. You know, he took them to well,
they were beating the All Blacks almost on a regular basis.
And the same would be with Graham Henry when he
assisted Argentina. You could say, and how much their game improved, and.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Look, that's good for the world game. There's an argument
here about this is good because we want more teams
to be competitive, There's no doubt about that. But there's
a line somewhere, where is it between helping Argentina and
also being in the Argentinian coaching box When you know
a lot of things about the Old Blacks players, When
you know a lot of really detailed information about what
(04:24):
makes certain players tick, what they do like, what they
don't like, and you can use that against them. Now,
people could argue, well, look, you watch rugby, you see
everything out on the field, anyway you can better analyze
to your heart's content by watching you know, the games
that they play. And that's true, but there are also
real hidden values in knowing intimate details about players. That's
(04:46):
a crucial thing because you might have a technical approach
that you can build directly to thwart one individual. You know,
if you've got Damien McKinsey that you want to shut
down and you know what he does and doesn't like,
you can build a plant specifically with inside knowledge how
to shut them down.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So what can you do about it? Dan? I mean,
what can you see a rugby when you're in a
rugby union or what even do about it?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Probably very little, there's probably there's probably very little. I
mean that the protection is to keep innovating your game, yeah,
so that you know, guys will know about players. But
if you keep evolving a skill set of the players,
then maybe you know, what they know becomes redundant. The
one thing I do feel needs to be looked at
are these sabbatical options that they allow players to go on,
(05:29):
because again, what you allow that to happen there is
they you know, Ardie Savier, for example, play the season
in Japan. There's a lot of Springboks playing in Japan,
and I can't remember if there are any particularly in
the team that already played for. But you're giving the
you know, Springboks a season to work with Ardi, to
get to know him, you know what he's like, what
(05:50):
he does, what he doesn't do. It's all intel that
they can use when they then come back later in
the year to play against each other. And I think
we're going to be really careful about how much you know,
again that's undervalued and underappreciated, how much slip side of
the country like that, particularly when a lot of these
Springboks are being exposed to New Zealand coaches, guys like
(06:10):
Steve Hanson, Ian Foster, Dave Rennie. These guys are all
woman near of coaching as well, so you kind of
put in the balance in favor of the South Africans
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I get the feeling though it's a new year and
a raiser Robertson and we might see almost a refreshed
all Black squad when they take on England next week.
We'll wait and see whe' we aim.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, that's obviously that's what he's been putting the job
to do, and he certainly did that with the Crusaders.
So yeah, maybe what I'm writing about and talking about
will all be you know, major redundant in the end.
International rugby coverage on the Country. Sport Breakfast is proudly
brought to you by Access Solutions, elevating you and your
business to a higher level. Pretty two away from eight o'clock.
Joining us on the show this morning, Gregor, Paul Columbus
Fort the New Zealand Here will get onto spelling IP
secrets in just a couple of moments, Gregor. But firstly,
your thoughts on the all black squad that was named recently.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh, look, bizarrely it ended up being a little bit
predictable if you like. It looked very much like the
sort of squad you would have imagined that Ian Foster
and his selection team would have picked had they still
been the coaching group. So I think there was an
expectation that we're going to see one or two more
(00:48):
you know, new faces, exciting selections, guys that came out
of left field a little bit to start a World
Cup cycle really juge things up a little bit, and
we probably three or four examples. There were opportunities for
that to happen and they didn't. And I guess the
overall feeling ones that was quite a conservative selection. But look,
it's a good group of thirty two capable are winning
(01:10):
test matches and that will be probably the only thing
that matters.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
All right, Well, I guess the proof will be in
the putting next Saturday, not the Saturday, but Nick Saturday,
under the under the roof of foresight, bar into Needing. Hey,
I want to touch on and I really enjoyed reading
it your latest article in the Herald spilling ip secrets
damaging the abs. We've head, coaches and players been going
overseas for a long long time, really since the game
(01:37):
became professional, haven't we.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well that's not new, I mean, and that's really been
the crow in fring the zooland since day one are
professional rugby is you know, small country limited means a
lot of good players, not enough contracts to keep them here,
so they're going to go. They're going to see good
players heading off short. We've seen that time of memorial really.
But what we're seeing and coaches as well, what we're
(02:01):
seeing that's a wee bit different than the last I
don't know ten years, is how quickly and directly coaches
in particular are jumping from high value positions inside New Zealand.
I'll be albeit, you know, within the old lecks now
you know, I've seen Joe Schmid do this go directly
from the Old Lecks directly to a Tier one, you know,
(02:25):
proper enemy type country like Australia. And we've seen Andrew Strawbridge.
He was part of the Old Blacks. He's with England
at the moment. He's having a very powerful effect with them.
And this is a new trind's and it's probably an
underappreciated trend the danger that it poses to New Zealand
because it's not like Joe will be leaving with tactical
(02:48):
or strategic secrets necessarily, because you know Razor and his
team will be evolving how the team plays. But what
he does have is a cachet of inside knowledge about
individual player and if you go back to the World
Cup last year, that was proven to be highly valuable
when Joel was able to use what he knew about
(03:09):
individual Irish players to feed into the All Black game
plan for that quarter final. And we're talking games here
that flip on a pass, a kick, a drop this
or whatever it might be. And if you've got one
little bit of intel that you know that one guy
doesn't like tackling off his right shoulder, whatever it is
that Joel can feed into the system. It can become
(03:30):
a huge, huge moment in the game. And you've got
to be careful about how much intel you let loose
into other teams, and you've got to be careful not
to underappreciate how valuable that could be.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And we've seen, you know, we're talking about Joe Schmidt
when he coached Ireland. You know, he took them to well,
they were beating the All Blacks almost on a regular basis.
And the same would be with Graham Henry when he
assisted Argentina. You could say, and how much their game improved, and.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Look, that's good for the world game. There's an argument
here about this is good because we want more teams
to be competitive, There's no doubt about that. But there's
a line somewhere, where is it between helping Argentina and
also being in the Argentinian coaching box When you know
a lot of things about the Old Blacks players, When
you know a lot of really detailed information about what
(04:24):
makes certain players tick, what they do like, what they
don't like, and you can use that against them. Now,
people could argue, well, look, you watch rugby, you see
everything out on the field, anyway you can better analyze
to your heart's content by watching you know, the games
that they play. And that's true, but there are also
real hidden values in knowing intimate details about players. That's
(04:46):
a crucial thing because you might have a technical approach
that you can build directly to thwart one individual. You know,
if you've got Damien McKinsey that you want to shut
down and you know what he does and doesn't like,
you can build a plant specifically with inside knowledge how
to shut them down.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So what can you do about it? Dan? I mean,
what can you see a rugby when you're in a
rugby union or what even do about it?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Probably very little, there's probably there's probably very little. I
mean that the protection is to keep innovating your game, yeah,
so that you know, guys will know about players. But
if you keep evolving a skill set of the players,
then maybe you know, what they know becomes redundant. The
one thing I do feel needs to be looked at
are these sabbatical options that they allow players to go on,
(05:29):
because again, what you allow that to happen there is
they you know, Ardie Savier, for example, play the season
in Japan. There's a lot of Springboks playing in Japan,
and I can't remember if there are any particularly in
the team that already played for. But you're giving the
you know, Springboks a season to work with Ardi, to
get to know him, you know what he's like, what
(05:50):
he does, what he doesn't do. It's all intel that
they can use when they then come back later in
the year to play against each other. And I think
we're going to be really careful about how much you know,
again that's undervalued and underappreciated, how much slip side of
the country like that, particularly when a lot of these
Springboks are being exposed to New Zealand coaches, guys like
(06:10):
Steve Hanson, Ian Foster, Dave Rennie. These guys are all
woman near of coaching as well, so you kind of
put in the balance in favor of the South Africans
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I get the feeling though it's a new year and
a raiser Robertson and we might see almost a refreshed
all Black squad when they take on England next week.
We'll wait and see whe' we aim.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, that's obviously that's what he's been putting the job
to do, and he certainly did that with the Crusaders.
So yeah, maybe what I'm writing about and talking about
will all be you know, major redundant in the end.
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