August 28, 2024 • 9 mins
Should State of Origin relax rules to allow kiwi players to be eligible to play for both the home Kiwis team and the league series
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lighty haigh.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Time to talk and this is an interesting topic, isn't
it this situation with you know, how to keep our
guys or get more guys? I guess KIWI Rugby League
players eligible for the Kiwis or perhaps the other teams
without having to assume this is the relaxation of the
state of origin rules, so they don't miss out on
that as well.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Will he proaching join us now? Good morning?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Will he? Good morning? Good morning? Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, great chat? Welly, so what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Can you clarify the relaxing of the state of origin rules?
Does that mean that players could play state of origin
but be eligible for kiwis some more tong or is
that what we're looking at?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well? At the moment, what the situation is with state
of origin eligibility is if you play for a Tier
two nation, then you're eligible to play the only ones
that could play origin of the ones that could play
for Australia or a Tier two nation at the moment.
So the proposing is even if you're with a Tier
(01:00):
one nation and at the moment that's pretty much just
England and New Zealand, then they're going to open the
doors for some of those players to be selected.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Well, I mean that would that would make a huge
I mean the interest in State of origors. Let's face it, well,
apart from a World Cup Final or Grand Final day,
it's right up there, isn't it. It's a magnificent compat
and it's sort of it's never lost any of its shine.
But how good if one or two Kiwis might get
an opportunity to play in there.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, as you said, other than the World Cup Final
and Grand Final day, this is a showpiece and we
have three of those throughout the course of the season.
So that's how big it is. It's a machine of
a product, the State of Origin, and it's just grown
from strength to strength, and it would be it would
be to a huge advantage for the countries like England
(01:53):
and New Zealand to have their players. It increases their
selection pool.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So who would you who? Off the
top of your head, I can't think. I mean, I'm
not enough of an efficionado on the game, welly, but
who would who would have be? Somebody or who over
the years could have played State of Origin? I suppose
like a Bengie comes to mind, the.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Ones that people speak of the guys like Benji, Sonny Bill, Jason,
Tom Malola. Yeah, those guys, the superstars that missed out.
And what the argument is for state of origin purposes
is to be able to truly select the elite player.
(02:38):
At the moment, there's a hurdle, and that hurdle is
you can't pick the keywis on the English players, so
they're restricting themselves. I get it. The old school and
me wants to keep it just Australia. But at the
moment and where it's gone, there are that many Pacific
Islanders and someone and Tong, the players who are born
in Australia growing up in Australia since oildhood, they put
(03:01):
your South Wales. But because of the rules, they can
still play for tom or in Australia, so not every
player in Origin will be playing for Australia. So it
sort of makes a mockery of it in that sense.
I think the old school and Me didn't want to
change the rules. Well I wanted it just but understanding
where the game is gone, and we've been pretty awesome
(03:22):
as a game, innovating and moving with the times and
evolving in the right way. And I think this is
one of the ways we've got to go with.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, well you like your thinking.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's a machine state of origin and it's just outstanding
the way that that you know, year in year out,
everybody says I want to do my mates. I might
just be a bit long in the tooth, but in
the minute it comes on, you can't turn the telly off.
So it is, but it can go the next step.
And this is this This seems like a well, it's
not a no brainer. As you said, old school. There's
(03:53):
a tradition.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Around it, but it's not going to turn it on
its head, is it.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Because when you think about it, there's probably, as you've mentioned,
two or three players per season who might might squeeze
into this team, all those.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Teams, and in the past, in the last couple of years,
there could have been a Sam Burgess. From an English perspective,
you know, he was a superstar and in his day,
at his peak, he was the best fuck roller in
the game. Yeah, imagine him running out. I think the
(04:26):
question would be the level of passion for that blue
or that marine jersey, and no doubt that that would
that would come with being in camp for the ten
days that they built the game up for.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So Sam Burgess though he obviously born in the UK,
so if he was playing for a club in.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Australia he would be eligible. Is that how it would
work or what more?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Sort of well, they may stick, they may stick to
the criteria that they have that you have to be
in Australia before the age of thirteen. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, yeah, because you think of some of the the
others over the years. Ellery Handley for instance, I mean
he would have been you know, he's just sort of imagine.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The Goad of English rugby league.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh just can we just talk about Ellery Hanley for
a minute, well, because you'll be really really familiar with him.
I mean I remember when he came out and he
played for Balmain in eighty eight and he went to
another level, you know that, and that was a team
you know that had Suron and Roach Freeman, Elias p
s Jack and yet he still stood out and shoulders
(05:30):
he was sensationally.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, he was great when he first went out for
Western Suburbs yep and coming back out and taking Balmain
to a whisker of winning a Grand Final against the
Dogs that year.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, it was just a superstar.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Of a player. Could play center six thirteen, just dominated
the game in England, but did so when he came
to Australia as well. Yeah, people forget about him and
how good he was great for Origin in the early days.
And I don't think the Aussie players who played against them,
I don't think they would have had any grudges about
him playing at that level because he would have been
(06:05):
one of the elder that too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Look, it doesn't hurt to go down memory lane occasionally
because Ellery Hanley was very special.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And if I had to say sort of five if.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
If somebody gave me five names from from league and union,
you know I wouldn't take much, but you wouldn't go
past Ellery Hanley, Joan and Michael Jant. You know he's
in that level. So good to chat about him. Let's
talk about the Warriors, just for.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
For a moment.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Will he do you think they've been hard done by
some of these calls from the bunker and the like
and the.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Coach has he's kept He's tried to keep his cool,
but I think he started to feel it now.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, last week was a big call, you know, the
Crichton one, and what was seen throughout the year is
teams that have been penalized and punished with symbons, the
result has turned on its head and that could have
been the case against the Dogs last week. Now, this
season was pretty much done and dust anyway. But they've
(07:02):
had some tough calls throughout the season. Now, is that
being the reason why they've missed the pass? No, not really. Now,
They've had moments and they've had some games where they
look back and be really disappointed with Canberra at Canberra
being one of them, you know, and losing to Melbourne
earlier in the season and the dying seconds, you know,
(07:24):
they were hard done by. But it's been a tough season.
It's been a tough, tough season, and I understand the
coaches frustration and where he is. But when you look
back on it, and there'll be some games that they're
going to kick themselves for in the wash up and
in their review of the season, they'll look back, they'll
reflect and they'll try and fix it up with the
(07:45):
new guys that they bring in next season.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, he cut one quick fire question here. I like
Clock's dead chance, Clock's dead fall back for the Warrior.
I think he's a hell but should should Roger to
it bs a sek be there.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I think Roger's best position is fall back. Yep, that's
me personally. I think his best position is fallback there.
It's been a bit of an experiment this year him
at center, and what they've got a way up is
not just is Roger a better fallback than Chance?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You know who's the better center as well? Yeah? Well
that's better for the team across the board, and I
think at times that may have hurt them, just the
stubbornness of trying to stick with that decision.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, look fair enough, and I think Chance Nichols klocksdad
looks good elsewhere as well. So okay, thank you. I
like your answer on that one. And how would you
sum up Shawn Johnson? Now, of course pretty much all later?
How in couple of sentences, how would you sum up
his career?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh? Fantastic. He's had a wonderful career and he's been
a great ambassador for our game, you know, for what
he's done on the field, but he's never had any
trouble off the field, and all he's done off the
field has inspire young people and he's put bums on seats.
He's been a superstar for the game of rugby league
in this country and he had to go away for
(09:09):
a little he came back. What he did last year
was phenomenal. Should should have got the Deli m But
you know he goes with his head held high and
everybody proud of what he's done for the game.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Will he Poaching, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
What a sixth scent and sincere analysis of the career
of Sean Johnson.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
That is absolutely outstanding.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Former key with the will he Poaching, joining us here
on the all country
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Sport, the country sport breakfast here on Gold
Lighty haigh.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Time to talk and this is an interesting topic, isn't
it this situation with you know, how to keep our
guys or get more guys? I guess KIWI Rugby League
players eligible for the Kiwis or perhaps the other teams
without having to assume this is the relaxation of the
state of origin rules, so they don't miss out on
that as well.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Will he proaching join us now? Good morning?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Will he? Good morning? Good morning? Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, great chat? Welly, so what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Can you clarify the relaxing of the state of origin rules?
Does that mean that players could play state of origin
but be eligible for kiwis some more tong or is
that what we're looking at?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well? At the moment, what the situation is with state
of origin eligibility is if you play for a Tier
two nation, then you're eligible to play the only ones
that could play origin of the ones that could play
for Australia or a Tier two nation at the moment.
So the proposing is even if you're with a Tier
(01:00):
one nation and at the moment that's pretty much just
England and New Zealand, then they're going to open the
doors for some of those players to be selected.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Well, I mean that would that would make a huge
I mean the interest in State of origors. Let's face it, well,
apart from a World Cup Final or Grand Final day,
it's right up there, isn't it. It's a magnificent compat
and it's sort of it's never lost any of its shine.
But how good if one or two Kiwis might get
an opportunity to play in there.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, as you said, other than the World Cup Final
and Grand Final day, this is a showpiece and we
have three of those throughout the course of the season.
So that's how big it is. It's a machine of
a product, the State of Origin, and it's just grown
from strength to strength, and it would be it would
be to a huge advantage for the countries like England
(01:53):
and New Zealand to have their players. It increases their
selection pool.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So who would you who? Off the
top of your head, I can't think. I mean, I'm
not enough of an efficionado on the game, welly, but
who would who would have be? Somebody or who over
the years could have played State of Origin? I suppose
like a Bengie comes to mind, the.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Ones that people speak of the guys like Benji, Sonny Bill, Jason,
Tom Malola. Yeah, those guys, the superstars that missed out.
And what the argument is for state of origin purposes
is to be able to truly select the elite player.
(02:38):
At the moment, there's a hurdle, and that hurdle is
you can't pick the keywis on the English players, so
they're restricting themselves. I get it. The old school and
me wants to keep it just Australia. But at the
moment and where it's gone, there are that many Pacific
Islanders and someone and Tong, the players who are born
in Australia growing up in Australia since oildhood, they put
(03:01):
your South Wales. But because of the rules, they can
still play for tom or in Australia, so not every
player in Origin will be playing for Australia. So it
sort of makes a mockery of it in that sense.
I think the old school and Me didn't want to
change the rules. Well I wanted it just but understanding
where the game is gone, and we've been pretty awesome
(03:22):
as a game, innovating and moving with the times and
evolving in the right way. And I think this is
one of the ways we've got to go with.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, well you like your thinking.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's a machine state of origin and it's just outstanding
the way that that you know, year in year out,
everybody says I want to do my mates. I might
just be a bit long in the tooth, but in
the minute it comes on, you can't turn the telly off.
So it is, but it can go the next step.
And this is this This seems like a well, it's
not a no brainer. As you said, old school. There's
(03:53):
a tradition.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Around it, but it's not going to turn it on
its head, is it.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Because when you think about it, there's probably, as you've mentioned,
two or three players per season who might might squeeze
into this team, all those.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Teams, and in the past, in the last couple of years,
there could have been a Sam Burgess. From an English perspective,
you know, he was a superstar and in his day,
at his peak, he was the best fuck roller in
the game. Yeah, imagine him running out. I think the
(04:26):
question would be the level of passion for that blue
or that marine jersey, and no doubt that that would
that would come with being in camp for the ten
days that they built the game up for.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So Sam Burgess though he obviously born in the UK,
so if he was playing for a club in.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Australia he would be eligible. Is that how it would
work or what more?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Sort of well, they may stick, they may stick to
the criteria that they have that you have to be
in Australia before the age of thirteen. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, yeah, because you think of some of the the
others over the years. Ellery Handley for instance, I mean
he would have been you know, he's just sort of imagine.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The Goad of English rugby league.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh just can we just talk about Ellery Hanley for
a minute, well, because you'll be really really familiar with him.
I mean I remember when he came out and he
played for Balmain in eighty eight and he went to
another level, you know that, and that was a team
you know that had Suron and Roach Freeman, Elias p
s Jack and yet he still stood out and shoulders
(05:30):
he was sensationally.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, he was great when he first went out for
Western Suburbs yep and coming back out and taking Balmain
to a whisker of winning a Grand Final against the
Dogs that year.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, it was just a superstar.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Of a player. Could play center six thirteen, just dominated
the game in England, but did so when he came
to Australia as well. Yeah, people forget about him and
how good he was great for Origin in the early days.
And I don't think the Aussie players who played against them,
I don't think they would have had any grudges about
him playing at that level because he would have been
(06:05):
one of the elder that too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Look, it doesn't hurt to go down memory lane occasionally
because Ellery Hanley was very special.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And if I had to say sort of five if.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
If somebody gave me five names from from league and union,
you know I wouldn't take much, but you wouldn't go
past Ellery Hanley, Joan and Michael Jant. You know he's
in that level. So good to chat about him. Let's
talk about the Warriors, just for.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
For a moment.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Will he do you think they've been hard done by
some of these calls from the bunker and the like
and the.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Coach has he's kept He's tried to keep his cool,
but I think he started to feel it now.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, last week was a big call, you know, the
Crichton one, and what was seen throughout the year is
teams that have been penalized and punished with symbons, the
result has turned on its head and that could have
been the case against the Dogs last week. Now, this
season was pretty much done and dust anyway. But they've
(07:02):
had some tough calls throughout the season. Now, is that
being the reason why they've missed the pass? No, not really. Now,
They've had moments and they've had some games where they
look back and be really disappointed with Canberra at Canberra
being one of them, you know, and losing to Melbourne
earlier in the season and the dying seconds, you know,
(07:24):
they were hard done by. But it's been a tough season.
It's been a tough, tough season, and I understand the
coaches frustration and where he is. But when you look
back on it, and there'll be some games that they're
going to kick themselves for in the wash up and
in their review of the season, they'll look back, they'll
reflect and they'll try and fix it up with the
(07:45):
new guys that they bring in next season.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, he cut one quick fire question here. I like
Clock's dead chance, Clock's dead fall back for the Warrior.
I think he's a hell but should should Roger to
it bs a sek be there.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I think Roger's best position is fall back. Yep, that's
me personally. I think his best position is fallback there.
It's been a bit of an experiment this year him
at center, and what they've got a way up is
not just is Roger a better fallback than Chance?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You know who's the better center as well? Yeah? Well
that's better for the team across the board, and I
think at times that may have hurt them, just the
stubbornness of trying to stick with that decision.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, look fair enough, and I think Chance Nichols klocksdad
looks good elsewhere as well. So okay, thank you. I
like your answer on that one. And how would you
sum up Shawn Johnson? Now, of course pretty much all later?
How in couple of sentences, how would you sum up
his career?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh? Fantastic. He's had a wonderful career and he's been
a great ambassador for our game, you know, for what
he's done on the field, but he's never had any
trouble off the field, and all he's done off the
field has inspire young people and he's put bums on seats.
He's been a superstar for the game of rugby league
in this country and he had to go away for
(09:09):
a little he came back. What he did last year
was phenomenal. Should should have got the Deli m But
you know he goes with his head held high and
everybody proud of what he's done for the game.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Will he Poaching, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
What a sixth scent and sincere analysis of the career
of Sean Johnson.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
That is absolutely outstanding.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Former key with the will he Poaching, joining us here
on the all country
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Sport, the country sport breakfast here on Gold
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