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Speaker 1 (00:00):
International rugby coverage on the country.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Sport Breakfast is proudly brought to you by Access Solutions,
elevating you and your business to a higher level.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Joining us as he always does on a Thursday morning,
Gregor Paul what in New Zealand's most respected rugby writers
and columnists for The New Zealand Here Old Gregor, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
That was a nail bite the last Sunday morning, wasn't it?
What did you make of it?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That was a great game? About that? What have good?
Rugby played? Usual sort of intense rivalry between New Zealand
and South Africa. Everything that you would expect, intensity pressure.
But in the end I think New Zealand probably they
lacked a bit of power, They lacked a bit of
impact from the beach, they lacked a bit of composure,
a bit of control, bit of accuracy in the final
(00:45):
kind of fifteen twenty minutes and particularly just sort of
drifted out of the game and made a couple of
crucial errors and that was it. That's a lesson for
them that when you play at this level, you can't
dress out of the game with twenty minutes to go.
You've got to go for the easy.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Do you think there'll be many changes when the team
has announced at five this afternoon?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Look? Probably not. I don't think selection was at the
heart of their issues at all. The people are looking
at the bench and going, well, look, you didn't get
enough impact out of the bench. But the question would
be what would you do to change that. There's not
as if there's a whole series of players out there
(01:27):
that they didn't picking. Everyone could go, well, that guy,
this guy will bring them in and that'll fix that problem.
They probably, I don't know. I think they probably had
their bench just about right. I think the recovery of
Dalton Papali will probably bring him back into contention and
he'll either come back at seven and King goes to
the bench or Papali will come on to the bench.
I would have thought other than that, I'm not too
(01:50):
sure we'll see a lot of difference.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You wrote a very good article earlier this week regarding
New Zealand Rugby's stance on overseas based all black Whereas
the springbook can call on their overseas based players, and
I think quite a few of them were based overseas.
We can't do that, can we?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
No? Look, I mean to compare it with US. South
Africa is a little bit tricky at times because they
have endemic problems in South Africa around safety, lifestyle, very
weak currency. So to keep their players in South Africa
it's almost impossible because these guys can go overseas and
earn significantly more money in a foreign currency, which makes
(02:30):
it impossible for Slaviga to keep them. So they've had
to mend their policy, but it works. Nevertheless, it does
work for them. You'd be looking at New Zealand and
going where were they wake they had a weakish bench. Well,
if you had a couple of guys Richie Muwanga and
Shannon Frazel, even potentially Aaron Smith available because I don't
think he's actually finished finished he's finished because he's in
(02:53):
Japan in terms of international rugby. But if you can
have those guys, you start to think what that would
do to match the twenty three in terms of experience
and dates, and with that change things I just said
earlier in New Zealand, don't we have a much to
call upon to change the eventual this weekend? But if
they had overseas players available, well that that would be
a different story.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Do you think New Zealand Rugby will change that stance.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I think they hate every word that just came out
of my mind. To be honest, No, no, and they're pretty
clear they don't. They don't want to go down that
road where where there's potentially opportunity for this to be
revisited properly. I suspect is this japan is invited into
Super Rugby properly as a genuine partner, three or four
(03:38):
Japanese teams come into the competition, then I think there's
a there's a potential to say, well, look, our guys,
New Zealand's guys can go and play for Japanese clubs
because they're going to be playing in Super Rugby, why
don't we extend eligibility to say if you play for
any of our Super Rugby clubs, even in Australia or
more on a Pacifiga or Japanese clubs, then you are
(04:01):
eligible to play for the Old Backs. That's something that
may happen, but we're a while away before we get there.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So we've got the prospect of a very exciting taste
at sea level in Cape Town this weekend. Do you
think it's going to be a different kind of game.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Not necessarily. One thing I would say is everyone sort
of imagines that, you know, the old Blacks will be
happy to get down to sea level. I actually think
they're quite happy on the highvelt. They're an aerobic team.
They wanted to run the South Africans around and duress
them fatigue. So I think that New Zealand were quite
happy playing at altitude, and there's this idea that they'll
(04:36):
be happier coming down and it will advantage them at
ground level. I'm not entirely convinced that's true. I think
we'll still see a reasonably fast, open game because I
think South Africa facilitated a bit of that and they're
quite comfortable doing a bit more of that these days.
But look, it'll be a similar looking thing. And the
opportunity for New Zealand now is to say, well, look,
(04:57):
we're good enough in these small moments to take a vantage.
You know, we're not going to make the same mistakes
under pressure that we did last week, and we're going
to be more accurate when we need to be.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, they're exciting news from the week, the prospect of
future All Black tours and Springbok tours of New Zealand
all Black tours of South Africa starting twenty twenty six.
That's exciting, I think, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, it is. I think it's a great move. I
think the only problem with that though, is it's going
to come at the expense of the Rugby Championship in
terms of what when they go over there in that year,
there's going to be no Rugby Championship. So there's a
I don't want to be a doomonger and an overly
negative but that's great that we've got that, but the
issue will become we doesn't leave Australia in the setup
(05:40):
because they're kind of having the door shut on them
awey bit. And the problem there is that the New
Zealand's partner and Super Rugby and then you kind of go, well,
how are we going to get Australia up to speed
because the players are a wee bit week or the
depth is not there and they're cutting the Wallabies out
of the Rugby Championship and not giving them the opportunity
to play rugby that year against the New Zealand and
(06:02):
South Africa not going to help Super Rugby any stronger.
So there's a little bit of a niggle there that
it's coming at a price.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Your little wrinkles to one out, I think before it happens,
I guess I.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Think the Aussies will make the position clear. They're not
usually quiet when they're upset. They'll they'll come out and
publicly speak that they're a bit disappointed by that. But
if they can find as long as they can find
meaningful international rugby, because I think everyone understands it's hugely
important that super rugby comes up in intensity and physicality,
and you know, it needs to improve across the board
(06:38):
because I think we still see some of the issues
that the All Blacks had in South Africa on the
weekend were a lack of exposure to bigger bodies during
the year. They don't they don't encounter the South Africans
the way that they used to in super rugby such
a it's a shock, you know for some of these guys,
they've never played against men like that, and that's the issue.
We've got to find a super rugby competition that's preparing
(06:59):
New Zealand's players to play everybody that they're going to
encounter when they become All Blacks.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Absolutely right, Hey, Gregor, are always good to chew the
fat mate, have a great day and go to the
All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Thanks mate.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Gregor Paul joining us here on gold Sport
International rugby coverage on the country.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Sport Breakfast is proudly brought to you by Access Solutions,
elevating you and your business to a higher level.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Joining us as he always does on a Thursday morning,
Gregor Paul what in New Zealand's most respected rugby writers
and columnists for The New Zealand Here Old Gregor, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
That was a nail bite the last Sunday morning, wasn't it?
What did you make of it?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That was a great game? About that? What have good?
Rugby played? Usual sort of intense rivalry between New Zealand
and South Africa. Everything that you would expect, intensity pressure.
But in the end I think New Zealand probably they
lacked a bit of power, They lacked a bit of
impact from the beach, they lacked a bit of composure,
a bit of control, bit of accuracy in the final
(00:45):
kind of fifteen twenty minutes and particularly just sort of
drifted out of the game and made a couple of
crucial errors and that was it. That's a lesson for
them that when you play at this level, you can't
dress out of the game with twenty minutes to go.
You've got to go for the easy.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Do you think there'll be many changes when the team
has announced at five this afternoon?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Look? Probably not. I don't think selection was at the
heart of their issues at all. The people are looking
at the bench and going, well, look, you didn't get
enough impact out of the bench. But the question would
be what would you do to change that. There's not
as if there's a whole series of players out there
(01:27):
that they didn't picking. Everyone could go, well, that guy,
this guy will bring them in and that'll fix that problem.
They probably, I don't know. I think they probably had
their bench just about right. I think the recovery of
Dalton Papali will probably bring him back into contention and
he'll either come back at seven and King goes to
the bench or Papali will come on to the bench.
I would have thought other than that, I'm not too
(01:50):
sure we'll see a lot of difference.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You wrote a very good article earlier this week regarding
New Zealand Rugby's stance on overseas based all black Whereas
the springbook can call on their overseas based players, and
I think quite a few of them were based overseas.
We can't do that, can we?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
No? Look, I mean to compare it with US. South
Africa is a little bit tricky at times because they
have endemic problems in South Africa around safety, lifestyle, very
weak currency. So to keep their players in South Africa
it's almost impossible because these guys can go overseas and
earn significantly more money in a foreign currency, which makes
(02:30):
it impossible for Slaviga to keep them. So they've had
to mend their policy, but it works. Nevertheless, it does
work for them. You'd be looking at New Zealand and
going where were they wake they had a weakish bench. Well,
if you had a couple of guys Richie Muwanga and
Shannon Frazel, even potentially Aaron Smith available because I don't
think he's actually finished finished he's finished because he's in
(02:53):
Japan in terms of international rugby. But if you can
have those guys, you start to think what that would
do to match the twenty three in terms of experience
and dates, and with that change things I just said
earlier in New Zealand, don't we have a much to
call upon to change the eventual this weekend? But if
they had overseas players available, well that that would be
a different story.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Do you think New Zealand Rugby will change that stance.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I think they hate every word that just came out
of my mind. To be honest, No, no, and they're pretty
clear they don't. They don't want to go down that
road where where there's potentially opportunity for this to be
revisited properly. I suspect is this japan is invited into
Super Rugby properly as a genuine partner, three or four
(03:38):
Japanese teams come into the competition, then I think there's
a there's a potential to say, well, look, our guys,
New Zealand's guys can go and play for Japanese clubs
because they're going to be playing in Super Rugby, why
don't we extend eligibility to say if you play for
any of our Super Rugby clubs, even in Australia or
more on a Pacifiga or Japanese clubs, then you are
(04:01):
eligible to play for the Old Backs. That's something that
may happen, but we're a while away before we get there.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So we've got the prospect of a very exciting taste
at sea level in Cape Town this weekend. Do you
think it's going to be a different kind of game.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Not necessarily. One thing I would say is everyone sort
of imagines that, you know, the old Blacks will be
happy to get down to sea level. I actually think
they're quite happy on the highvelt. They're an aerobic team.
They wanted to run the South Africans around and duress
them fatigue. So I think that New Zealand were quite
happy playing at altitude, and there's this idea that they'll
(04:36):
be happier coming down and it will advantage them at
ground level. I'm not entirely convinced that's true. I think
we'll still see a reasonably fast, open game because I
think South Africa facilitated a bit of that and they're
quite comfortable doing a bit more of that these days.
But look, it'll be a similar looking thing. And the
opportunity for New Zealand now is to say, well, look,
(04:57):
we're good enough in these small moments to take a vantage.
You know, we're not going to make the same mistakes
under pressure that we did last week, and we're going
to be more accurate when we need to be.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, they're exciting news from the week, the prospect of
future All Black tours and Springbok tours of New Zealand
all Black tours of South Africa starting twenty twenty six.
That's exciting, I think, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, it is. I think it's a great move. I
think the only problem with that though, is it's going
to come at the expense of the Rugby Championship in
terms of what when they go over there in that year,
there's going to be no Rugby Championship. So there's a
I don't want to be a doomonger and an overly
negative but that's great that we've got that, but the
issue will become we doesn't leave Australia in the setup
(05:40):
because they're kind of having the door shut on them
awey bit. And the problem there is that the New
Zealand's partner and Super Rugby and then you kind of go, well,
how are we going to get Australia up to speed
because the players are a wee bit week or the
depth is not there and they're cutting the Wallabies out
of the Rugby Championship and not giving them the opportunity
to play rugby that year against the New Zealand and
(06:02):
South Africa not going to help Super Rugby any stronger.
So there's a little bit of a niggle there that
it's coming at a price.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Your little wrinkles to one out, I think before it happens,
I guess I.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Think the Aussies will make the position clear. They're not
usually quiet when they're upset. They'll they'll come out and
publicly speak that they're a bit disappointed by that. But
if they can find as long as they can find
meaningful international rugby, because I think everyone understands it's hugely
important that super rugby comes up in intensity and physicality,
and you know, it needs to improve across the board
(06:38):
because I think we still see some of the issues
that the All Blacks had in South Africa on the
weekend were a lack of exposure to bigger bodies during
the year. They don't they don't encounter the South Africans
the way that they used to in super rugby such
a it's a shock, you know for some of these guys,
they've never played against men like that, and that's the issue.
We've got to find a super rugby competition that's preparing
(06:59):
New Zealand's players to play everybody that they're going to
encounter when they become All Blacks.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Absolutely right, Hey, Gregor, are always good to chew the
fat mate, have a great day and go to the
All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Thanks mate.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Gregor Paul joining us here on gold Sport
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