September 4, 2024 • 8 mins
Former spingbok halfback talks team naming Thursday. Will there be any changes for both sides?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From the rugby field to the rotary shed. It's the
Country Sport Breakfast with Brian Kelly on gold.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Sport and of course gold Sport is your home of
a live commentary and we'll have the All Black match
live here on Sunday morning, New Zealand Time. Elliott Smith
with the call. It's team naming Thursday for that second
rugby International between the Box and the All Blacks. It's
on the show this morning to chat a big test
form the South African halfback Kevin.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Part Morning Putty, Good morning, Brian.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I hope you're well mate. Hey put yourself in Scott
Robinson's position, do you think.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
All I think they'll actually be really happy with the
way that the starting fifteen went on the field and
put themselves in such a fantastic position to win the game.
So I don't imagine any changes actually to the starting
fifteen And.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Do you think the game plan will change much? I
mean they pretty much got it right, didn't they.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I look, that's a hostile know what the problem was.
It was the ability to finish the game off and
just you know, put on the throat sort of stuff.
That's where it'll be focused. I mean probably rather than
naming twenty three, they might name fifteen and not put
any bench on.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, I mean the bench was the talking point, wasn't it.
The Springbok seemed to have the depth. We probably didn't
have the depth off the bench, did we.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, look, it's the old scenario or the adage of
chicken soup. You can't make it with it, you know,
So it's the Really, we just lacked the cattle for that.
But there's no suggestion that we're not up to still
beating this team. Parker in the stand to them, it's
a really passionate tape color group that support the all
Blacks down there.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
That was it was a hostile environment for a number
of all Blacks that hadn't played in that kind of
environment before at altitude as well. What's that like?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, look, it sucks the old energy from you. Though.
I'd like to say you saw it in the first
ten minutes, but we didn't. I mean, I thought we
were quite superb. Actually, four tries to two at one
stage ended up four to three. I think we've got
the the better of how a lot of teams have
actually handled over there. So I'm not worried about anything
(02:06):
except you know, how we finished the game, and I'm
sure the majority in New Zel look into that. Are
we going to make possale changes through our bingch assuming
that we're suddenly going to get greater impact coming on?
And I don't think we have that capability.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Honey, do you think Damien McKenzie's the man going forward
at first.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Five rather than you know, put a boot or make
a comparison there. I'd have a look at the Springbok
team that played us last week and have a look
at how many played offshore. Thirteen of them don't play
their rugby in South Africa. What a beauty if we
could call on thirteen players who were playing overseas and
(02:43):
you could see someone of the caliber of Richie Munger
stepping in possibly at ten. I'm just giving the name
out there, so that's not against Damien, but I mean
imagine the depth of our squad if we could select.
And to do that, though, you've got to have something
from the ins at you that has actually done that
deal previously, so when they sign up, you've already know
(03:04):
in advance when you want to release those players, from
which games, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, and from a half back point of view, you know,
you know what you're talking about here in the new
New Zealand squad. How do you think Cortez Ratimer has
gone his first international season?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh look, he's he's the young boy. That is again,
you don't want to kick young men. How hard is
it You're trying to come on and make an impact
against South Africa. You're playing against and his sort of
tip of game is typified by little snipes around the corner.
You've got a bomb squad coming on. It's not going
(03:39):
to be an easy task for him to stand out.
All he's got to do at the moment is and
pass the ball. And that's be honest. That's probably not
as Forte. But but how good will he be? Yeah,
we're just missing I think Aaron Smith. But it you know,
the next eight years are going to be highlighted by
a guy like Roygard just unfortunate injury. Yeah, these guys
(04:01):
need more game time, they need to step up. But
I'm doing so. It obviously gives us that risk of
dropping games within experienced people on the field.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
On the other side of the park. I think seven
o'clock tonight the South African squad will be named South
African Coach Razie Erasmus. They took seventy minutes last week
to get the current World champions going. Can you see
any changes in the starting fifteen or if it isn't broken,
they won't touch it.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Oh look down, not like that, mate. There is an
incredible model that they've got sort of forty players that
they can rotate. And it's not about the caliber of
the players. It's the man management. They don't have to
start a guy and he won't suddenly throw his toys
out the cop that he's not the number one. They
can call it a bomb squad, and those people are
(04:49):
happy to be on the bench for that game. They
buy into that mentality in New Zealand. Here you select
me on the bench, I flip and throwing my toys
out the cot and saying, hey, I'm not the number one.
I want to be in the number one. Manage their
players exceptionally well. And that comes down to the lights
of Russi and that I mean, it's an exceptional So
in other words, if they do change it around, that
doesn't say someone's being dropped or anything. They legitimately live
(05:12):
with it. It wouldn't work in our society.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
No, absolutely, and experience coming into playing these tests. You
know we've got Sam Dowry off the bench's very first
run on last week against the spring Box, against players
like ebn xpeth who's played one hundred and thirty odd tests.
I mean, what a mismatch in a way.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Look I heard the comment is saying, you know, Cody
Taylor is playing a fantastic game. You know he's gone
for so long on the field. Leave them on the
bloody field. The perception is that you know they're going
I've nearly come. You know, we started using GPS trackers
on the back to see when people were getting tired,
and that put them away. Some of these guys will
die for the country and they'll play eighty minutes if needed.
(05:55):
Maybe put less emphasis on your bench and more emphasis
on finishing the game their head on the school board.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And big topic of conversation this week, and you know
what it was like rugby tours set to come back
again between New Zealand and South Africa, looking like every
couple of years from twenty twenty six. What are your
thoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Oh listen, anything that opens up the competition with South
Africa adds value to New Zealand rugby I think it'd
be fantastic, some fantastic pubs in Australia in South Africa
that you wanted to get out to. I could to
imagine what it would do for tourism. Yeah, I'm a big,
big supporter of anything like that. And I tell you
(06:33):
what it also does in which we may not have
looked at. We get more South Africans coming to New
Zealand to play. So you pick up a few of
these kids once they start playing in the comp A
lot of them at the moment filtering out of the schools,
wanting to get out, and they're heading over to the
Northern Hemisphere where the money is. God, we might just
see a few more young South Africans coming in to
finish their school in the New Zealand and wearing a
(06:55):
black jersey going forward.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Honey, how do you think the result's going to go? Mate?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh? Look, I previously called that we would win this one.
This will be a little bit more tactical. I think
we have full capabilities of winning this one, but we're
going to have to be a little bit cleverl with
how we've finished with our bench, I'm really happy with
how we're going. I reckon we are going to squeak
it by about two to three points.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Ah, take the three if you get a penalty as well.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Wow yeah, yeah, we're smart right, that aren't we? But
what South Africa did? I would have take that. You
know they had a penalty as well, that would have
drawn the game and kept them at the top of
the ladder. Bug of that, they kicked it into touch
and scored the try and so you know, you live
and die by your decision, so I'm not worried about
not paying it. But if you don't score the points
(07:42):
then then you're accountable for your options.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Nice to chat, Kevin, enjoy the game, mate, thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, and a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And we'll have a live commentary of that match three
o'clock Sunday morning, New Zealand Time. Elliot Smith and Paul
Ellison at the Pork calling that match between the All
Blacks and South fre Get out of Cape Tap
From the rugby field to the rotary shed. It's the
Country Sport Breakfast with Brian Kelly on gold.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Sport and of course gold Sport is your home of
a live commentary and we'll have the All Black match
live here on Sunday morning, New Zealand Time. Elliott Smith
with the call. It's team naming Thursday for that second
rugby International between the Box and the All Blacks. It's
on the show this morning to chat a big test
form the South African halfback Kevin.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Part Morning Putty, Good morning, Brian.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I hope you're well mate. Hey put yourself in Scott
Robinson's position, do you think.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
All I think they'll actually be really happy with the
way that the starting fifteen went on the field and
put themselves in such a fantastic position to win the game.
So I don't imagine any changes actually to the starting
fifteen And.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Do you think the game plan will change much? I
mean they pretty much got it right, didn't they.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I look, that's a hostile know what the problem was.
It was the ability to finish the game off and
just you know, put on the throat sort of stuff.
That's where it'll be focused. I mean probably rather than
naming twenty three, they might name fifteen and not put
any bench on.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, I mean the bench was the talking point, wasn't it.
The Springbok seemed to have the depth. We probably didn't
have the depth off the bench, did we.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, look, it's the old scenario or the adage of
chicken soup. You can't make it with it, you know,
So it's the Really, we just lacked the cattle for that.
But there's no suggestion that we're not up to still
beating this team. Parker in the stand to them, it's
a really passionate tape color group that support the all
Blacks down there.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
That was it was a hostile environment for a number
of all Blacks that hadn't played in that kind of
environment before at altitude as well. What's that like?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, look, it sucks the old energy from you. Though.
I'd like to say you saw it in the first
ten minutes, but we didn't. I mean, I thought we
were quite superb. Actually, four tries to two at one
stage ended up four to three. I think we've got
the the better of how a lot of teams have
actually handled over there. So I'm not worried about anything
(02:06):
except you know, how we finished the game, and I'm
sure the majority in New Zel look into that. Are
we going to make possale changes through our bingch assuming
that we're suddenly going to get greater impact coming on?
And I don't think we have that capability.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Honey, do you think Damien McKenzie's the man going forward
at first.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Five rather than you know, put a boot or make
a comparison there. I'd have a look at the Springbok
team that played us last week and have a look
at how many played offshore. Thirteen of them don't play
their rugby in South Africa. What a beauty if we
could call on thirteen players who were playing overseas and
(02:43):
you could see someone of the caliber of Richie Munger
stepping in possibly at ten. I'm just giving the name
out there, so that's not against Damien, but I mean
imagine the depth of our squad if we could select.
And to do that, though, you've got to have something
from the ins at you that has actually done that
deal previously, so when they sign up, you've already know
(03:04):
in advance when you want to release those players, from
which games, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, and from a half back point of view, you know,
you know what you're talking about here in the new
New Zealand squad. How do you think Cortez Ratimer has
gone his first international season?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh look, he's he's the young boy. That is again,
you don't want to kick young men. How hard is
it You're trying to come on and make an impact
against South Africa. You're playing against and his sort of
tip of game is typified by little snipes around the corner.
You've got a bomb squad coming on. It's not going
(03:39):
to be an easy task for him to stand out.
All he's got to do at the moment is and
pass the ball. And that's be honest. That's probably not
as Forte. But but how good will he be? Yeah,
we're just missing I think Aaron Smith. But it you know,
the next eight years are going to be highlighted by
a guy like Roygard just unfortunate injury. Yeah, these guys
(04:01):
need more game time, they need to step up. But
I'm doing so. It obviously gives us that risk of
dropping games within experienced people on the field.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
On the other side of the park. I think seven
o'clock tonight the South African squad will be named South
African Coach Razie Erasmus. They took seventy minutes last week
to get the current World champions going. Can you see
any changes in the starting fifteen or if it isn't broken,
they won't touch it.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Oh look down, not like that, mate. There is an
incredible model that they've got sort of forty players that
they can rotate. And it's not about the caliber of
the players. It's the man management. They don't have to
start a guy and he won't suddenly throw his toys
out the cop that he's not the number one. They
can call it a bomb squad, and those people are
(04:49):
happy to be on the bench for that game. They
buy into that mentality in New Zealand. Here you select
me on the bench, I flip and throwing my toys
out the cot and saying, hey, I'm not the number one.
I want to be in the number one. Manage their
players exceptionally well. And that comes down to the lights
of Russi and that I mean, it's an exceptional So
in other words, if they do change it around, that
doesn't say someone's being dropped or anything. They legitimately live
(05:12):
with it. It wouldn't work in our society.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
No, absolutely, and experience coming into playing these tests. You
know we've got Sam Dowry off the bench's very first
run on last week against the spring Box, against players
like ebn xpeth who's played one hundred and thirty odd tests.
I mean, what a mismatch in a way.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Look I heard the comment is saying, you know, Cody
Taylor is playing a fantastic game. You know he's gone
for so long on the field. Leave them on the
bloody field. The perception is that you know they're going
I've nearly come. You know, we started using GPS trackers
on the back to see when people were getting tired,
and that put them away. Some of these guys will
die for the country and they'll play eighty minutes if needed.
(05:55):
Maybe put less emphasis on your bench and more emphasis
on finishing the game their head on the school board.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And big topic of conversation this week, and you know
what it was like rugby tours set to come back
again between New Zealand and South Africa, looking like every
couple of years from twenty twenty six. What are your
thoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Oh listen, anything that opens up the competition with South
Africa adds value to New Zealand rugby I think it'd
be fantastic, some fantastic pubs in Australia in South Africa
that you wanted to get out to. I could to
imagine what it would do for tourism. Yeah, I'm a big,
big supporter of anything like that. And I tell you
(06:33):
what it also does in which we may not have
looked at. We get more South Africans coming to New
Zealand to play. So you pick up a few of
these kids once they start playing in the comp A
lot of them at the moment filtering out of the schools,
wanting to get out, and they're heading over to the
Northern Hemisphere where the money is. God, we might just
see a few more young South Africans coming in to
finish their school in the New Zealand and wearing a
(06:55):
black jersey going forward.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Honey, how do you think the result's going to go? Mate?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh? Look, I previously called that we would win this one.
This will be a little bit more tactical. I think
we have full capabilities of winning this one, but we're
going to have to be a little bit cleverl with
how we've finished with our bench, I'm really happy with
how we're going. I reckon we are going to squeak
it by about two to three points.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Ah, take the three if you get a penalty as well.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Wow yeah, yeah, we're smart right, that aren't we? But
what South Africa did? I would have take that. You
know they had a penalty as well, that would have
drawn the game and kept them at the top of
the ladder. Bug of that, they kicked it into touch
and scored the try and so you know, you live
and die by your decision, so I'm not worried about
not paying it. But if you don't score the points
(07:42):
then then you're accountable for your options.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Nice to chat, Kevin, enjoy the game, mate, thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, and a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And we'll have a live commentary of that match three
o'clock Sunday morning, New Zealand Time. Elliot Smith and Paul
Ellison at the Pork calling that match between the All
Blacks and South fre Get out of Cape Tap
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