November 19, 2024 • 6 mins
Talking All Blacks v Italy to the man that led the Italians at the 2019 Rugby World Cup in Japan.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Talking international rugby now on the show, where the countdown
is on until the final All Black Test of the
twenty twenty four season, which seems to be go on
and on. It's been a long one This Sunday morning
kickoff just after nine against Italy in Turin. Joining us
on the show this morning, the man that actually kept
in the Italians at the twenty nineteen Rugby World Cup
(00:29):
in Japan, Kiwi Dean Bud Morning, Dean, good morning. How
are you doing very well? Thank you? I suppose you've
got a foot in both camps, have you?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
No, my After a bit at time in Italy, I
still probably lead Blue, but I think I might support
the winning team this week, I guess so.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I mean, how many years did you play rugby in
Italy and end up captaining them?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I was over there for about nine years in total,
and Curt Covid kind of ended that pretty quickly, but
I was ready the tale.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And as such, I suppose you're pretty fluent then in
the Italian language.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Now proven recently. When I went back to a winning
in July, I thought I was a little bit of that.
I was. Certainly the life of immersion is good for
speaking Italians.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Alrighty, well, let's talk about the game the two sides
met at last year's Rugby World Cup, of the All
Blacks almost bringing up a century winning I think ninety
six seventeen in a fourteen try romp. What are you
expecting this Sunday morning, Dean?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh, we didn't need a preface it like that. It
was a win loss, No, I was. I think it'll
be a tough ask again for the Italians. I think
they haven't had a great, awesome series over there, and
the All Blacks have a kind of a little bit
of fire in the belly after what was a tough
loss against the French, so I expect the will be
(01:55):
pretty commanding out there.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Do you think the Italians have made improved since that
game at last year's World Cup?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Probably not As a nation. I don't think they've had
a lot of games together, and I think we've seen
a little bit out of the Sortum series. They're a
little bit rusty as a squad, but they've had strong
showings domestically, and yeah, I think they're more or less
the same side as the World Cup.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Last week it was a tight twenty seventeen win over Georgia,
So in a way they're on the improve, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, it's almost a grudge match for US at Georgian's
but I think they had a commanding amount of position
and just struggled to capitalize in that game, So fingers crossed.
I think I read some of their nineteen entries into
the twenty two and scored two tries, So it's a
pretty poor conversion rate. So this week I hope they're
(02:52):
a little bit tidier with that.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Kieron Crawley was the man in charge for quite a
few years. They've now got another coach. You think he's
made a difference or they missing? Are they missing the cult?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Now? I think there's certainly aspects that Colt delivered in
terms of the culture off the field. He was incredible
at bringing the team together. Well yeah, I know firsthand
from Sigma with a lot of the guys, they do
miss him in his style. So it's not to say
that the new coach doesn't have goods. I think he's
bought some good change but I do think there was
(03:23):
probably the possibility to have a touch of both of them,
and there.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You made twenty nine test appearances for Italy major debut
back in twenty seventeen. How close is Italy as a
nation to competing week in week out with the Tier
one nations like you know, Ireland, England and so on.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm going to say, and this is such a hard
one because it's the most regular question we ever get asked,
why is there so much inconsistency in Italian rugby? I
think they've recently got a new president and we'll see
a solid three years of consistency out of him. He's
the right guy to bring change to the Italian game
and put consistency in place around coaching development. So I
(04:01):
think over the next two or three years we'll see
good change and hopefully that's a positive lead into the
World Cup for the mixed cycle.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Does rugby have much of a public following in Italy
or is it really just a soccer crazy nation.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
There's no doubt they're absolutely crazy. But in the north
there's a strong presence of rugby. There's kind of from
Rome upwards and certainly around the Veneta region where I played.
There's hundreds of in the Dragon, certainly ten to twenty
odd different rugby teams and different levels of it all,
so it has a good following. It's grown. I think
(04:35):
a lot of the fans have learned what rugby is
over the last five to ten years and are moving
away from the football and into what is perceived over
there to be a bit more of a gentleman's sport.
And while it's team oriented and dean.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
From an all black perspective, are you what have you
made of the first season in charge by Scott Robertson
and their performance in the Northern Hemisphere.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Not to quick to criticize, I think he he's done
a good job Ultimately. I think there's one acre of
twelve or nine out of twelve, something like that. Ultimately,
in the grand scheme of it's a pretty good status
an a coach. I know we always expect more, but
I think he has a strong character and prisons and
a different approach to it all. So there would have
been a lot of adjusting to do for at that
(05:20):
level for a lot of players, and it'll take them
getting used.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
To gazing a new crystal ball. I know it's probably
a silly question. Who's going to win on Sunday?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Dean, Yeah, it is. That would be a silly answer.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
It probably would be, so the All Blacks by a
few points.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, I think it's sisty and comfortably. That feels like
the right number to me.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Well, Dean, enjoy it watching the game, and thank you
for your time.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Mate, what's a pleasure. Thank for having me.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
That's Dean Bud joining us, who of course now back
in New Zealand, back in Auckland, actually works for Bailey's
Bailey's Real Estate. Is a member of Bailey's in the
commercial real estate broker in in Auckland. So nice to
chat with him. And of course we'll have a live
commentary of that match Sunday morning, kickoff just after nine
o'clock and it could be played in snow at the
(06:17):
moment the snowstorms forecast would be great for training over there,
but Earliot Smith is our man on the ground in
two writ live commentary thanks to Access Solution
International rugby coverage on the country.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Sport Breakfast is proudly brought to you by Access Solutions,
elevating you and your business to a higher level.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Talking international rugby now on the show, where the countdown
is on until the final All Black Test of the
twenty twenty four season, which seems to be go on
and on. It's been a long one This Sunday morning
kickoff just after nine against Italy in Turin. Joining us
on the show this morning, the man that actually kept
in the Italians at the twenty nineteen Rugby World Cup
(00:29):
in Japan, Kiwi Dean Bud Morning, Dean, good morning. How
are you doing very well? Thank you? I suppose you've
got a foot in both camps, have you?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
No, my After a bit at time in Italy, I
still probably lead Blue, but I think I might support
the winning team this week, I guess so.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I mean, how many years did you play rugby in
Italy and end up captaining them?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I was over there for about nine years in total,
and Curt Covid kind of ended that pretty quickly, but
I was ready the tale.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And as such, I suppose you're pretty fluent then in
the Italian language.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Now proven recently. When I went back to a winning
in July, I thought I was a little bit of that.
I was. Certainly the life of immersion is good for
speaking Italians.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Alrighty, well, let's talk about the game the two sides
met at last year's Rugby World Cup, of the All
Blacks almost bringing up a century winning I think ninety
six seventeen in a fourteen try romp. What are you
expecting this Sunday morning, Dean?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh, we didn't need a preface it like that. It
was a win loss, No, I was. I think it'll
be a tough ask again for the Italians. I think
they haven't had a great, awesome series over there, and
the All Blacks have a kind of a little bit
of fire in the belly after what was a tough
loss against the French, so I expect the will be
(01:55):
pretty commanding out there.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Do you think the Italians have made improved since that
game at last year's World Cup?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Probably not As a nation. I don't think they've had
a lot of games together, and I think we've seen
a little bit out of the Sortum series. They're a
little bit rusty as a squad, but they've had strong
showings domestically, and yeah, I think they're more or less
the same side as the World Cup.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Last week it was a tight twenty seventeen win over Georgia,
So in a way they're on the improve, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, it's almost a grudge match for US at Georgian's
but I think they had a commanding amount of position
and just struggled to capitalize in that game, So fingers crossed.
I think I read some of their nineteen entries into
the twenty two and scored two tries, So it's a
pretty poor conversion rate. So this week I hope they're
(02:52):
a little bit tidier with that.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Kieron Crawley was the man in charge for quite a
few years. They've now got another coach. You think he's
made a difference or they missing? Are they missing the cult?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Now? I think there's certainly aspects that Colt delivered in
terms of the culture off the field. He was incredible
at bringing the team together. Well yeah, I know firsthand
from Sigma with a lot of the guys, they do
miss him in his style. So it's not to say
that the new coach doesn't have goods. I think he's
bought some good change but I do think there was
(03:23):
probably the possibility to have a touch of both of them,
and there.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You made twenty nine test appearances for Italy major debut
back in twenty seventeen. How close is Italy as a
nation to competing week in week out with the Tier
one nations like you know, Ireland, England and so on.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm going to say, and this is such a hard
one because it's the most regular question we ever get asked,
why is there so much inconsistency in Italian rugby? I
think they've recently got a new president and we'll see
a solid three years of consistency out of him. He's
the right guy to bring change to the Italian game
and put consistency in place around coaching development. So I
(04:01):
think over the next two or three years we'll see
good change and hopefully that's a positive lead into the
World Cup for the mixed cycle.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Does rugby have much of a public following in Italy
or is it really just a soccer crazy nation.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
There's no doubt they're absolutely crazy. But in the north
there's a strong presence of rugby. There's kind of from
Rome upwards and certainly around the Veneta region where I played.
There's hundreds of in the Dragon, certainly ten to twenty
odd different rugby teams and different levels of it all,
so it has a good following. It's grown. I think
(04:35):
a lot of the fans have learned what rugby is
over the last five to ten years and are moving
away from the football and into what is perceived over
there to be a bit more of a gentleman's sport.
And while it's team oriented and dean.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
From an all black perspective, are you what have you
made of the first season in charge by Scott Robertson
and their performance in the Northern Hemisphere.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Not to quick to criticize, I think he he's done
a good job Ultimately. I think there's one acre of
twelve or nine out of twelve, something like that. Ultimately,
in the grand scheme of it's a pretty good status
an a coach. I know we always expect more, but
I think he has a strong character and prisons and
a different approach to it all. So there would have
been a lot of adjusting to do for at that
(05:20):
level for a lot of players, and it'll take them
getting used.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
To gazing a new crystal ball. I know it's probably
a silly question. Who's going to win on Sunday?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Dean, Yeah, it is. That would be a silly answer.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
It probably would be, so the All Blacks by a
few points.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, I think it's sisty and comfortably. That feels like
the right number to me.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Well, Dean, enjoy it watching the game, and thank you
for your time.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Mate, what's a pleasure. Thank for having me.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
That's Dean Bud joining us, who of course now back
in New Zealand, back in Auckland, actually works for Bailey's
Bailey's Real Estate. Is a member of Bailey's in the
commercial real estate broker in in Auckland. So nice to
chat with him. And of course we'll have a live
commentary of that match Sunday morning, kickoff just after nine
o'clock and it could be played in snow at the
(06:17):
moment the snowstorms forecast would be great for training over there,
but Earliot Smith is our man on the ground in
two writ live commentary thanks to Access Solution
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