July 28, 2025 • 30 mins
Dr. Wendy is offering her Wendy wisdom with her drive by makeshift relationship advice, and we are talking to Dr. Jon Kim about the dangers of casual hook ups and women's birth control pills. It's all on KFIAM-640!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Doctor Wendy Walsh Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. So, you know, I always think about, like,
how can I synthesize my master's and PhD in clinical psychology?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Right?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
How can I say what are like the most important
jewels of wisdom that everybody needs to know?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And so I thought, you know, let me just see
what chat GPT would say if I asked it to
give me the five most important truths about tech about psychology.
And they are truths that are sometimes kind of painful
to hear, but if you listen to what is coming,
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they can really empower you. But here's the thing. When
the computer, the AI, the chat GPT gave me the
five things, literally, I read them and I was like, yeah,
that's exactly what I say all the time, Like those
are my five favorites. That's so interesting because the chat
GPT is getting to know me now as it sees
what I search for, what I'm writing, et cetera. It's
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kind of crazy, all right. So, according to chat GPT's
version of doctor Rennie Walsh, I agree with it. One
hundred percent. Here are the five truths about psychology that
everyone needs to know. Everyone needs to know. Number one,
your brain lies to you all the time constantly. I
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talk about this quite regularly on my show. They are
called cognitive biases, this idea that we have a shorthand
in our brain that says, I just want to get
to the answer now. I do not want to wait
to find out. I don't have time because our brain
is set in survival mode, right, and so like, let's
go back to our hunter gathered days in our anthropological times,
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if there was a rustling in the bushes, you didn't
have time to go. Hmmm, I wonder if that's a
lion or a tiger or a bear. Maybe it's just
the wind. You just took off and ran. Your brain
did a shorthand. It had a cognitive bias that said
rustling bushes mean potential death. And so that exists in
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all kinds of ways in our life today. I mean,
not with the rustling bushes, but sometimes it could be
just a person who walks or talks a certain way.
That's dangerous, you think, but your brain is tricking you
lots of times. Okay, so I'll just tell you what
my favorite cognitive bias, favorite because it's a disfavorite. It's
called the confirmation bias, and too many of us use it,
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especially politically, Like if we're if we self identify more
liberal or more conservative, we're just gonna look for evidence
because we've already confirmed who we are and what we believe.
We are not going to be open to other opinions.
We're just gonna look for evidence to confirm our original
thought or idea. That's a cognitive bias, but there are
hundred's more so. The brutal truth here is you can't
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always trust your thoughts or perceptions, especially when you're in
an emotionally charged situation. Okay, number two, Number two psychology
that you should all know. Oh, most of what we
do is completely unconscious. When I teach class, I put
this slide up of an iceberg, and I don't know
if you've ever seen a picture of an iceberg where
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ninety percent of it is below the surface of the
water and only ten percent of it is up. I
mean that was the problem with the Titanic, right, They
didn't see that ninety percent of that bulk was underneath.
And so in our life, ninety five percent of what
we're perceiving, what we're seeing, in what we're doing and
what we're saying, is automatic and it's driven by unconscious processes.
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We think we're making choices, but uh uh uh, we
are actually jumping from early life programming that we don't
even remember, or it might even be a life before
us evolutionary speaking or my just you know, when we
were preverbal, something happened and it caused us to have
an idea. So bottom line, you're not nearly as in
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control of your behavior as you think. One of the
reasons I love psychoanalytic therapy versus cognitive behavioral thinking and
behavior thoughts and behavior, which is great for many things,
But for me, I love psychoanalytic behavior because it therapy
because it is designed to make the unconscious conscious to
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start to be aware of those buried perceptions. All right.
Third thing about psychology everyone needs to know is people
don't change without discomfort, without pain. I've always said when
it hurts the most, we're growing the most. And whether
you're going to therapy, whether you're trying to grow or
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heal in any way, it's not going to happen until
you confront your pain. You see, our brains are wired
to just stay still and calm even if we're in
a bad situation. We call it homeostasis. Right, So even
if your current situation, let's say you're in a really
bad relationship and you're thinking you want a divorce and
you've been thinking about it for years, but you can't
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quite make the move because it feels safer to stay
with a known devil. What do they say, the evil
we know is better than the evil. We don't know
that saying, right, But the truth is, if you get
through the pain of divorce, you might find a healthier,
happier relationship. But we don't know when we're in it.
We just want to stay still and not do the
pain part. So no one evolves in a comfort zone.
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And growth always feels like grief, all right. Number four,
Childhood scars don't just go away. So whether it's an
attachment injury, whether you've had some kind of trauma or neglect,
you don't just grow out of them. Because I hear
people say, well, they're an adult now, they should know better.
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They're all chill and inside those big grown bodies. So
all these early childhood experiences shape who we believe we
are they shape our relationship patterns and even how well
we can regulate and manage our own feelings well into adulthood.
So time does not heal wounds. Intentional repair does intentional repair? Okay.
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The fifth thing that the robot thinks that I would
tell you, which I agreed with it one hundred percent,
is you are not the main character in anyone else's story,
So dump it. Be free. Stop worrying about what people
think about you. Psychologists call it the spotlight effect. It
makes you believe that everybody is watching, that everybody's judging you,
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but they're not.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
One of the things that people have often said to
me is that I have a very high shame tolerance,
meaning I don't really feel shamed. I'm shameless anyways. But
the truth is because we moved so much growing up.
My dad was in the military, and we were always moving,
and I was always a new place. I never was
shaped by like one village pointing fingers at me, And
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if things got bad with some mean girls or something
at school, I didn't care because we moved the next year,
so it's really didn't matter, right, So I just want
everyone to know that I am healthy and happy, because
I don't give a hoot what most people think. Now,
there's certain people I care about, like my bosses who
sign my paycheck. Of course there'd be consequences, right, and
my husband I care what he thinks about me. But
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most people in the world don't think about you nearly
as much as you think about you. So just be free.
Who cares what they think?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
All right?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
When we come back, now, this is from my head.
The other was from my head, but my head was
transferred to the chat GPT and then back to me.
It's just an echo chamber me on the internet. I
want to talk about the five most important things that
people need to know to help healthy romantic relationship. I
thought long and hard about my thirty years of study
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in reading in the science of relationships, and I came
up with the five things everybody needs to know for
their love life. So get a pen. When we come
back here listening to the Doctor Wendy Well Show on
KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
All right. I sat down and I thought, I thought
and thought and thought if I had. Let's say I
was sitting on a train, plane bus with you and
I only had a few minutes until your stop, and
somebody said, what should I know, doctor Wendy about love?
Then therese are the five things I would quickly come
up with. Number One, Secure attachment is everything I talk
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about John Bowlby and his attachment theory in all my
writing and all my podcasting and all my radio showing.
Securely at people tend to have stable, satisfying relationships. They
trust people easily, people who deserve to be trusted, so
they can discern better. They can easily communicate. They aren't
afraid of intimacy, they're not hyper afraid of abandonment. They
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have a secure attachment style. So my advice to you
is simple. If this does not sound like you, if
you have an avoidant attachment style or an anxious attachment style,
you can heal your attachment wounds. You can do it
by going to therapy. You can also do it by
sticking with those partners that you meet who are consistent, kind,
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and emotionally available. Don't be saying, oh he's too nice,
I don't know. No, just stay in it okay, and
you will shift with them. Number two most important thing
everybody needs to know about the science of love. Conflict
does not ruin relationships. Psychologists never look at the frequency
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of conflict to determine if a relationship is healthy or not.
You know what they look at how they repair. So
conflict doesn't break people up, but poor repair styles do.
Every single couple fights right. This is work from doctor
John Gottman, who I mention a lot at the Marriage
Lab at the University of Washington. So how do you repair?
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You learn to apologize sincerely. You learn to listen reflectively
and tell your partner back what you think you heard.
And you find ways to reconnect after you've had a rupture.
It might be through sex, it might be through humor,
it might be through empathy, touch, accountability, whatever. Find a
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way to reconnect, especially within twenty four hours after a fight.
The worst thing you can do is give them the
silent treatment and hope it'll go away all right. Number
three of the five most important things you need to
know about the science of love, it's the little things
that are the most Doctor John Gotman called them emotional bids,
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little bids for care, small attempts to connect. These things
predict long term happiness. So couples who respond to bids
that might be just a smile or a question, or
a touch or eye contact stay connected over time. So
I want you to do this in your love relationship.
Say thank you more often, show appreciation, especially for the
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little tiny things. Always respond to texts, Show interest in
your partner and their day. It's these micro moments that
build the most trust.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Fourth thing, everybody needs to know about the science of
love if we're going to have a healthy, happy, long
term life. Look, I read these four five things to
my husband Julio today. We were lying in bed this
morning and a Sunday morning, taking our time getting out
of bed, and I was writing this, writing notes for this,
and we went through these five and we do every
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single one of them. Okay, number four. Similar values matter
more than similar interests. So hey, it's really nice if
you have common hobbies, But long term compatibility is rooted
and shared values. So what are our shared values? I'll
tell you. Our hobbies are not the same. Like I
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like my farm and my farm animals and my gardening.
He does not. And he can sit in the house
on his computer while I'm doing that. That's fine, and
then he loves classic cars and high performance cars, and
so yeah, I went to Italy and toward the Ferrari
factory and the Lamborghini factory, you know, And I just
videotaped his joy because I was happy that he was
happy doing that.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So here's what we do have in common when we
talk about values. We have the same parenting style, meaning
our kids come first, and so I have no problem
him saying, hey, I'm taking my kids out to dinner
or you're going out with your kids an own big deal.
We know kids come first. We have very a little
bit different values when it comes to money. I'm slightly
more conservative and savor. He's slightly more of a risk taker.
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But otherwise we're fine. We believe the same religion, which
is none, so we're good there. Look, I know religion
is very good for your health, good for your mental health,
your physical health. I appreciate it. I wish I could
have that faith that some of my friends have.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But anyway, we agree on that gender roles, we're fine there.
He likes to do dishes and do laundry. Those are
two things I hate doing. So we're all good there.
And our lifestyle here's my advice to you. Don't hold
off on having the deep conversations. Have him early, so
you have to align on the big stuff money, religion, parenting,
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gender roles. Talk about that early. And here's probably the
most important thing, especially every young person needs to know,
or any person who's been married, say like three to
seven years, who's having feelings like you know, I love
my spouse, but I'm just not in love with my spouse.
I hear this all the time. Passion fades, but intimacy
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can deepen. So the honeymoon phase of any relationship is
fueled by dopamine and novelty, but it naturally fades, and
what replaces it is companionate love. And this is based
on continued emotional intimacy, trust, and mutual growth. So if
you're trying to chase the highs, the passion, the intensity,
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you're going to feel a sense of loss. But if
instead you focus on creating rituals of connection, physical touch,
shared goals, these things are going to sustain intimacy. So
never stop talking about the tender stuff, the big stuff
about each other's feelings, values and goals. That will be
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what is the fuel for mature companionate love just saying that. Okay,
when we come back, I have a very special guest
who's going to tell you that just by kissing for
ten seconds you might get put in a bad mood. Oh,
you won't believe this, it's actually biological.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
You're listening to doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
So my next guest is a pharmacist. He's also one
of the leading experts on drug induced mitrochondrial dysfunction. We'll
talk about that in a minute. He has lectured at
on pharmacy, medical and holistic health at various conferences. But
here's where I found him. Where I find all my
greatest thinkers on the planet on Instagram, because that algorithm
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figured out that I needed to hear this. And he
had a post about how casual hookups are bad for
our mental health. Well, I know the psychological reasons for that, right.
They don't call you back, you get ghosted, you feel disappointed.
You thought it was going to be a long term relationship.
It wasn't. Oh no, no, no. My next guest has
a totally different idea of it. I would like to
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welcome doctor John Kim who's out in New Jersey. Hi,
doctor Kim, how are.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You, Doctor Wennie. Thank you so much for this opportunity.
I'm very excited to talk about this topic. Yeah, so
I'm feel great as well.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
So sorry, let's talk about and let's talk about your post.
So how is it that casual sex is bad for
our mental health? Besides the fact they don't call us back.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, one of the things that I actually focused on was
not just a casual sex. It's more of a kissing.
That was when focal point that I talked about.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Kissing strangers is usually part of casual sex.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's definitely. Yet, I mean, there's so many things going on.
There's definitely some hooked up parties going on there, or
it could be some club, random clubs you go to.
There's so much she thing going on these days that
you don't know who you meeting and not even that
what kind of a particular medical history or I call
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it the microbiome history.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
The microbiome history. So let's say somebody meets somebody on
a dating app, and this is a very common situation
by the way, they meet via text, by messaging on
a dating app. They get together in the real real world,
while they're having their coffee or dinner, they find they're
sexually attracted to each other, and then they go home
and have sex and nobody's done any background checks, and
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nobody knows about their medical history. So what are the
dangers and how does it could negatively impact our mental health?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Well, A couple of things that I like to really
look at is when I look at science and human biology,
look at the microbiome, and if people are not knowing
what microbonds are, it's basically your bacteria, your los viruses,
as well as paris and fung guide. Those all are
part of our entire ecosystems inside and outside.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Okay, we all have little microscopic bugs, and it's all
our unique pattern of bugs that we allow the flora
and fauna that we allow to live in our body.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Okay, And our burcobiome is our second genome basically, and
shoelas are super organisms. Over one hundred trillion microbs live
in US and around us, and these microbiomes that should
affect our mood, immunity, hormones, and even decision making skills.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So one thing I will tell you is that I'm
quite aware that we make ninety percent of our serotonin
in our gut, and that I don't want to tell
people to go off there antidepressant. However, there are ways
like giving up drugs and alcohol and antibiotics and eating
a really healthy prebiotic diet that can help increase your
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serotonin levels.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But go on, We've seen that happening in our my
practice and all the patients that I take care of
beau of there deal with guttish usually really have a
leaky gut. We're having bad ideas or other history of
gut issues. It kind of goes into having depression and anxiety.
So that's all into linked. But going back to the
same topic, every kiss or sexual interaction is a biological handshake,
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reprogramming your inner world, and so kissing himself transfers micros statacons.
These are inflammatory markers in our immune system and hormone signaling.
And it's a part that I was talking about how
saliva contains quotosol testoterial statocins, which is the inflammatory markers
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an immune messengers which can modulate your stress response even
if you're not consciously aware of it. So if you
think about a random hook cup or let's just say
it is a steady hookup, but there's nothing going on
in terms of a congruent, solid relationship for that matter.
Even then there's some major psychological impact, there's stress response,
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but then you're also sharing that person's microbiome and every
other things I just mentioned before. And so when I
saw the study, this the particular study back in twenty fourteen,
and there's a title called Shaping the Oral Microbiota through
Intimate Tissing and it was published back in twenty fourteen
in the Journal of Michaelbiome. So this is really the
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interesting part where this particular study show that ten second
intimate tiss can transfer up to eighty million bacteria from
one person to the other.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
A ten second kiss transfers eighty million bacteria, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Twenty million back.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Then let's say they are suffering from depression. Can they
actually transfer that can you catch depression?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, I it's not, it's not the depression they're catching,
but that you're actually now mixing that particular microbiome. Right,
So you remember microbiomes I mentioned before. They should transfer
that's messengers into our body as well as changes are moved. Right.
I've seen this happen where patients who actually have a
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very bad gut issues. When they start to get better
in their guts, they start to feel better, not even
just that their mental health and their outlook becomes a
whole lot better decision skills, it gets better, they become
a lot more tentative around their surroundings. So all these
things are interrelated into our microbiota, and so it's an
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important part that we have to look at. But when
you look at the long term, partner tends tend to
develop similar microbiota as well. So let's just say a
married couple they're living together, they end up having two
have that similar microbiome status between the two. And I've
seen this where a husband who actually has an H.
Pylori infection the wife gets at the same time, right,
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and they end up having to develop the similar gut issues.
And so when you do a more frequent kissing, greater
than microbial synchronization that goes in. And this exchange is
not limited to the mouth, it can also affect the
gut and then it also affects the systemic inflammation over time.
And there's a part that I mentioned about in my
reel that over time, right, this is going to affect
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your health it's going to give you much more stress
response going on. Never mind the casual sex part. This
is even broader topic of who you date, who you
interact with, who you have sex with. Right, these are
the really important parts that you have to look at.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
This makes me think of another study I read once
that showed that long term relationship health, mental health, well being,
satisfaction in a romantic relationship is less determined by frequency
of sex and more often determined by frequency of kissing.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yes. Why because that microbiota exchange that goes on is
so powerful that, you know, I joke may say I
don't want to mix my micro bond with you, like
it's just like it's a very you know, allfish comment.
But the thing is it has a lot of truth
behind that.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
This is amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
So this is okay, doctor Kim.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
We have to go for a break. When we come back,
I want to talk out about another piece of biology
that you can hopefully expand on about women's olfactory response
when they're on the birth control pill and their ability
to smell good partners or not. Because on this break,
my husband happens to be down in the conference room,
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and I'm going to run down and kiss him because
I think I need to do that Right now. You're listening.
You're listening to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI
AM six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
My guest, doctor John Kim. By the way, Doctor Kim,
Where can they find you on Instagram? What's your handle?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Absolutely is John dot farm D p h A r
m D. I'm a function synthhoonesist with twenty years of
experiencing clinical experience in dealing with hormone dot and as
well as immune imbalanced.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
John farm MD, not farm like you know, the cattle
and the chickens p h A r M farm m D.
John farm m D.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And John is j O N no h there, Okay, guys,
write it down.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Oh it is? Oh that said? You can find you
on my website is Kim Wellness dot Co.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Kim Wellness dot Co.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Okay, you guys write that down please, John Pharma MD
on Instagram. All right, So we've been talking about how
kissing and frequent casual sex with strangers means that you're
taking a lot of biome into you, and you may
wonder that your bad mood is just because you've had
bad dates, but it could be actually biologically related. But
let's turn the conversation to something I'm well aware of
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of which and I'm sure you are too. The famous
Swiss T shirt study, right where women smelled a man's
pheromone simply by smelling a T shirt he'd slept in,
and decided how attracted to him or not they were.
And then the researchers looked at the pheromones indicate immune
system cells, and they found that the more different someone's
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immune system, in other words, their ancestors fought off a
whole bunch of other diseases than you did. There If
the more different it was, the more delicious they smelled,
the more sexually attractive. And actually there's research to show
that couples who have disparate different immune systems have a longer, sustained,
exciting sex life. There's research into this. You know, they
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pay researchers to do this kind of stuff, all right, So,
doctor Kim, I want to know about what happens when
women are on the birth control pill. And it kind
of mimics pregnancy, right, So wouldn't that anything, No.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
It's not. Actually, what they have seen is that hormonal
birth control pills, so oral constoceptors, actually alters the woman's
natural hormone balancing. As a result, it she flattens the
natural cyclic fluctuation of estrogen and projection. So this actually
profound effect on old factory receptors, especially those tuned to
immune compatibility, pheromone perception, and mate preference. And there was
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a study that actually shown and there's a particular thing
that I decided to research on before we got on.
It was a study back in two thousand and eight,
and it was a study called the Major History Compatibility
Complex or MC dependent mate preference reverse in women taking pills.
And this is a part that's really complex, is that
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women on b control pills have this reverse preference, often
choosing genetically similar partners, which may s you, reduce sexual satisfaction.
You heard me.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
They actually choose bad mates when they're on the birth
control pill. It reduces sexual satisfaction.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yep, and increase risk of infertility or relationship breakdown. You
know what, how profounded that.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I know people who've had so many fertility problems and
so many miscarriages and so much stuff. And they have
said to me, you know, we met when I was
on the pill, and this could be part of it.
Then I think back about some of the questionable long
term relationships I was in, and I was on the
pill when I chose them. Who knew that doing something
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to protect yourself from pregnancy would actually decrease your ability
to be fertile if you chose a partner that was
too genetically compatible. That's what you're saying, they're too genetically compatible.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Right, So in order for a diverse genetic modification that
goes on generation generation, you need to find somebody the
opposite of you, right. So that's the that's human evolution, right.
That's the reason why there's genetic issues within incestful relationship
as well, which you should not be doing anyway. But
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there's a reason why when we're talking about all these things.
Attraction is immune based, right, Woman off the pills are
drug to makes that are sent that are signaling immune compatibility.
So you don't have those particular ways to find who
is compatible for me to make the best baby lit.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
A right, And we should say that we should I
just want to explain something in lay people's terms for
how immune sales work. When two people mate to try
to procreate and make another baby, they take might take
brown eyes from one, dark hair from another, long legs
from another, freckles from another parent. They choose right, accept
immune system genes. Immune system genes are a kind of
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gene that combines to create a stronger human. So it
makes sense that the more different your immune system, the
more will be chemically drawn towards them to make a
stronger human. Did I get that right?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Absolutely? So this's is shuman evolution right. And then I
just mentioned that before pills flattens the hormone response, so
it actually flattens nature, and so pomone contraception blunts this
old factory radar. Like trying to pick a wine what
up plug those? Basically you don't know what kind of
a good wine flavor's going to be, and saw you're
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just picking random bottles and then you're like, wait a minute,
this tastes horrible.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Oh that's a perfect metaphor. Ladies, don't go out there
and try to choose a man with your nose plugged
or being on the pill. But you know what, doctor Kim,
what you've done for me. You have pulled me off
the guilt train here tonight, because I'm going to blame
all my past or relationships on the fact that I
was on the pill and I just didn't have the
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ability to choose good medical information. Thank you so much
for joining us. My guest is doctor John Kim. You
can find him on Instagram at John dot Pharma, m
D Pharma or farm farm D Farm farm d at
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This is doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Doctor Wendy Walsh Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. So, you know, I always think about, like,
how can I synthesize my master's and PhD in clinical psychology?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Right?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
How can I say what are like the most important
jewels of wisdom that everybody needs to know?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Right?
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And so I thought, you know, let me just see
what chat GPT would say if I asked it to
give me the five most important truths about tech about psychology.
And they are truths that are sometimes kind of painful
to hear, but if you listen to what is coming,
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they can really empower you. But here's the thing. When
the computer, the AI, the chat GPT gave me the
five things, literally, I read them and I was like, yeah,
that's exactly what I say all the time, Like those
are my five favorites. That's so interesting because the chat
GPT is getting to know me now as it sees
what I search for, what I'm writing, et cetera. It's
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kind of crazy, all right. So, according to chat GPT's
version of doctor Rennie Walsh, I agree with it. One
hundred percent. Here are the five truths about psychology that
everyone needs to know. Everyone needs to know. Number one,
your brain lies to you all the time constantly. I
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talk about this quite regularly on my show. They are
called cognitive biases, this idea that we have a shorthand
in our brain that says, I just want to get
to the answer now. I do not want to wait
to find out. I don't have time because our brain
is set in survival mode, right, and so like, let's
go back to our hunter gathered days in our anthropological times,
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if there was a rustling in the bushes, you didn't
have time to go. Hmmm, I wonder if that's a
lion or a tiger or a bear. Maybe it's just
the wind. You just took off and ran. Your brain
did a shorthand. It had a cognitive bias that said
rustling bushes mean potential death. And so that exists in
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all kinds of ways in our life today. I mean,
not with the rustling bushes, but sometimes it could be
just a person who walks or talks a certain way.
That's dangerous, you think, but your brain is tricking you
lots of times. Okay, so I'll just tell you what
my favorite cognitive bias, favorite because it's a disfavorite. It's
called the confirmation bias, and too many of us use it,
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especially politically, Like if we're if we self identify more
liberal or more conservative, we're just gonna look for evidence
because we've already confirmed who we are and what we believe.
We are not going to be open to other opinions.
We're just gonna look for evidence to confirm our original
thought or idea. That's a cognitive bias, but there are
hundred's more so. The brutal truth here is you can't
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always trust your thoughts or perceptions, especially when you're in
an emotionally charged situation. Okay, number two, Number two psychology
that you should all know. Oh, most of what we
do is completely unconscious. When I teach class, I put
this slide up of an iceberg, and I don't know
if you've ever seen a picture of an iceberg where
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ninety percent of it is below the surface of the
water and only ten percent of it is up. I
mean that was the problem with the Titanic, right, They
didn't see that ninety percent of that bulk was underneath.
And so in our life, ninety five percent of what
we're perceiving, what we're seeing, in what we're doing and
what we're saying, is automatic and it's driven by unconscious processes.
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We think we're making choices, but uh uh uh, we
are actually jumping from early life programming that we don't
even remember, or it might even be a life before
us evolutionary speaking or my just you know, when we
were preverbal, something happened and it caused us to have
an idea. So bottom line, you're not nearly as in
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control of your behavior as you think. One of the
reasons I love psychoanalytic therapy versus cognitive behavioral thinking and
behavior thoughts and behavior, which is great for many things,
But for me, I love psychoanalytic behavior because it therapy
because it is designed to make the unconscious conscious to
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start to be aware of those buried perceptions. All right.
Third thing about psychology everyone needs to know is people
don't change without discomfort, without pain. I've always said when
it hurts the most, we're growing the most. And whether
you're going to therapy, whether you're trying to grow or
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heal in any way, it's not going to happen until
you confront your pain. You see, our brains are wired
to just stay still and calm even if we're in
a bad situation. We call it homeostasis. Right, So even
if your current situation, let's say you're in a really
bad relationship and you're thinking you want a divorce and
you've been thinking about it for years, but you can't
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quite make the move because it feels safer to stay
with a known devil. What do they say, the evil
we know is better than the evil. We don't know
that saying, right, But the truth is, if you get
through the pain of divorce, you might find a healthier,
happier relationship. But we don't know when we're in it.
We just want to stay still and not do the
pain part. So no one evolves in a comfort zone.
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And growth always feels like grief, all right. Number four,
Childhood scars don't just go away. So whether it's an
attachment injury, whether you've had some kind of trauma or neglect,
you don't just grow out of them. Because I hear
people say, well, they're an adult now, they should know better.
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They're all chill and inside those big grown bodies. So
all these early childhood experiences shape who we believe we
are they shape our relationship patterns and even how well
we can regulate and manage our own feelings well into adulthood.
So time does not heal wounds. Intentional repair does intentional repair? Okay.
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The fifth thing that the robot thinks that I would
tell you, which I agreed with it one hundred percent,
is you are not the main character in anyone else's story,
So dump it. Be free. Stop worrying about what people
think about you. Psychologists call it the spotlight effect. It
makes you believe that everybody is watching, that everybody's judging you,
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but they're not.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
One of the things that people have often said to
me is that I have a very high shame tolerance,
meaning I don't really feel shamed. I'm shameless anyways. But
the truth is because we moved so much growing up.
My dad was in the military, and we were always moving,
and I was always a new place. I never was
shaped by like one village pointing fingers at me, And
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if things got bad with some mean girls or something
at school, I didn't care because we moved the next year,
so it's really didn't matter, right, So I just want
everyone to know that I am healthy and happy, because
I don't give a hoot what most people think. Now,
there's certain people I care about, like my bosses who
sign my paycheck. Of course there'd be consequences, right, and
my husband I care what he thinks about me. But
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most people in the world don't think about you nearly
as much as you think about you. So just be free.
Who cares what they think?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
All right?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
When we come back, now, this is from my head.
The other was from my head, but my head was
transferred to the chat GPT and then back to me.
It's just an echo chamber me on the internet. I
want to talk about the five most important things that
people need to know to help healthy romantic relationship. I
thought long and hard about my thirty years of study
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in reading in the science of relationships, and I came
up with the five things everybody needs to know for
their love life. So get a pen. When we come
back here listening to the Doctor Wendy Well Show on
KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
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You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
All right. I sat down and I thought, I thought
and thought and thought if I had. Let's say I
was sitting on a train, plane bus with you and
I only had a few minutes until your stop, and
somebody said, what should I know, doctor Wendy about love?
Then therese are the five things I would quickly come
up with. Number One, Secure attachment is everything I talk
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about John Bowlby and his attachment theory in all my
writing and all my podcasting and all my radio showing.
Securely at people tend to have stable, satisfying relationships. They
trust people easily, people who deserve to be trusted, so
they can discern better. They can easily communicate. They aren't
afraid of intimacy, they're not hyper afraid of abandonment. They
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have a secure attachment style. So my advice to you
is simple. If this does not sound like you, if
you have an avoidant attachment style or an anxious attachment style,
you can heal your attachment wounds. You can do it
by going to therapy. You can also do it by
sticking with those partners that you meet who are consistent, kind,
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and emotionally available. Don't be saying, oh he's too nice,
I don't know. No, just stay in it okay, and
you will shift with them. Number two most important thing
everybody needs to know about the science of love. Conflict
does not ruin relationships. Psychologists never look at the frequency
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of conflict to determine if a relationship is healthy or not.
You know what they look at how they repair. So
conflict doesn't break people up, but poor repair styles do.
Every single couple fights right. This is work from doctor
John Gottman, who I mention a lot at the Marriage
Lab at the University of Washington. So how do you repair?
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You learn to apologize sincerely. You learn to listen reflectively
and tell your partner back what you think you heard.
And you find ways to reconnect after you've had a rupture.
It might be through sex, it might be through humor,
it might be through empathy, touch, accountability, whatever. Find a
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way to reconnect, especially within twenty four hours after a fight.
The worst thing you can do is give them the
silent treatment and hope it'll go away all right. Number
three of the five most important things you need to
know about the science of love, it's the little things
that are the most Doctor John Gotman called them emotional bids,
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little bids for care, small attempts to connect. These things
predict long term happiness. So couples who respond to bids
that might be just a smile or a question, or
a touch or eye contact stay connected over time. So
I want you to do this in your love relationship.
Say thank you more often, show appreciation, especially for the
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little tiny things. Always respond to texts, Show interest in
your partner and their day. It's these micro moments that
build the most trust.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Fourth thing, everybody needs to know about the science of
love if we're going to have a healthy, happy, long
term life. Look, I read these four five things to
my husband Julio today. We were lying in bed this
morning and a Sunday morning, taking our time getting out
of bed, and I was writing this, writing notes for this,
and we went through these five and we do every
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single one of them. Okay, number four. Similar values matter
more than similar interests. So hey, it's really nice if
you have common hobbies, But long term compatibility is rooted
and shared values. So what are our shared values? I'll
tell you. Our hobbies are not the same. Like I
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like my farm and my farm animals and my gardening.
He does not. And he can sit in the house
on his computer while I'm doing that. That's fine, and
then he loves classic cars and high performance cars, and
so yeah, I went to Italy and toward the Ferrari
factory and the Lamborghini factory, you know, And I just
videotaped his joy because I was happy that he was
happy doing that.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So here's what we do have in common when we
talk about values. We have the same parenting style, meaning
our kids come first, and so I have no problem
him saying, hey, I'm taking my kids out to dinner
or you're going out with your kids an own big deal.
We know kids come first. We have very a little
bit different values when it comes to money. I'm slightly
more conservative and savor. He's slightly more of a risk taker.
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But otherwise we're fine. We believe the same religion, which
is none, so we're good there. Look, I know religion
is very good for your health, good for your mental health,
your physical health. I appreciate it. I wish I could
have that faith that some of my friends have.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But anyway, we agree on that gender roles, we're fine there.
He likes to do dishes and do laundry. Those are
two things I hate doing. So we're all good there.
And our lifestyle here's my advice to you. Don't hold
off on having the deep conversations. Have him early, so
you have to align on the big stuff money, religion, parenting,
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gender roles. Talk about that early. And here's probably the
most important thing, especially every young person needs to know,
or any person who's been married, say like three to
seven years, who's having feelings like you know, I love
my spouse, but I'm just not in love with my spouse.
I hear this all the time. Passion fades, but intimacy
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can deepen. So the honeymoon phase of any relationship is
fueled by dopamine and novelty, but it naturally fades, and
what replaces it is companionate love. And this is based
on continued emotional intimacy, trust, and mutual growth. So if
you're trying to chase the highs, the passion, the intensity,
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you're going to feel a sense of loss. But if
instead you focus on creating rituals of connection, physical touch,
shared goals, these things are going to sustain intimacy. So
never stop talking about the tender stuff, the big stuff
about each other's feelings, values and goals. That will be
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what is the fuel for mature companionate love just saying that. Okay,
when we come back, I have a very special guest
who's going to tell you that just by kissing for
ten seconds you might get put in a bad mood. Oh,
you won't believe this, it's actually biological.
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You're listening to doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
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So my next guest is a pharmacist. He's also one
of the leading experts on drug induced mitrochondrial dysfunction. We'll
talk about that in a minute. He has lectured at
on pharmacy, medical and holistic health at various conferences. But
here's where I found him. Where I find all my
greatest thinkers on the planet on Instagram, because that algorithm
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figured out that I needed to hear this. And he
had a post about how casual hookups are bad for
our mental health. Well, I know the psychological reasons for that, right.
They don't call you back, you get ghosted, you feel disappointed.
You thought it was going to be a long term relationship.
It wasn't. Oh no, no, no. My next guest has
a totally different idea of it. I would like to
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welcome doctor John Kim who's out in New Jersey. Hi,
doctor Kim, how are.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You, Doctor Wennie. Thank you so much for this opportunity.
I'm very excited to talk about this topic. Yeah, so
I'm feel great as well.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
So sorry, let's talk about and let's talk about your post.
So how is it that casual sex is bad for
our mental health? Besides the fact they don't call us back.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, one of the things that I actually focused on was
not just a casual sex. It's more of a kissing.
That was when focal point that I talked about.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Kissing strangers is usually part of casual sex.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's definitely. Yet, I mean, there's so many things going on.
There's definitely some hooked up parties going on there, or
it could be some club, random clubs you go to.
There's so much she thing going on these days that
you don't know who you meeting and not even that
what kind of a particular medical history or I call
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it the microbiome history.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
The microbiome history. So let's say somebody meets somebody on
a dating app, and this is a very common situation
by the way, they meet via text, by messaging on
a dating app. They get together in the real real world,
while they're having their coffee or dinner, they find they're
sexually attracted to each other, and then they go home
and have sex and nobody's done any background checks, and
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nobody knows about their medical history. So what are the
dangers and how does it could negatively impact our mental health?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Well, A couple of things that I like to really
look at is when I look at science and human biology,
look at the microbiome, and if people are not knowing
what microbonds are, it's basically your bacteria, your los viruses,
as well as paris and fung guide. Those all are
part of our entire ecosystems inside and outside.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Okay, we all have little microscopic bugs, and it's all
our unique pattern of bugs that we allow the flora
and fauna that we allow to live in our body.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Okay, And our burcobiome is our second genome basically, and
shoelas are super organisms. Over one hundred trillion microbs live
in US and around us, and these microbiomes that should
affect our mood, immunity, hormones, and even decision making skills.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So one thing I will tell you is that I'm
quite aware that we make ninety percent of our serotonin
in our gut, and that I don't want to tell
people to go off there antidepressant. However, there are ways
like giving up drugs and alcohol and antibiotics and eating
a really healthy prebiotic diet that can help increase your
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serotonin levels.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But go on, We've seen that happening in our my
practice and all the patients that I take care of
beau of there deal with guttish usually really have a
leaky gut. We're having bad ideas or other history of
gut issues. It kind of goes into having depression and anxiety.
So that's all into linked. But going back to the
same topic, every kiss or sexual interaction is a biological handshake,
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reprogramming your inner world, and so kissing himself transfers micros statacons.
These are inflammatory markers in our immune system and hormone signaling.
And it's a part that I was talking about how
saliva contains quotosol testoterial statocins, which is the inflammatory markers
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an immune messengers which can modulate your stress response even
if you're not consciously aware of it. So if you
think about a random hook cup or let's just say
it is a steady hookup, but there's nothing going on
in terms of a congruent, solid relationship for that matter.
Even then there's some major psychological impact, there's stress response,
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but then you're also sharing that person's microbiome and every
other things I just mentioned before. And so when I
saw the study, this the particular study back in twenty fourteen,
and there's a title called Shaping the Oral Microbiota through
Intimate Tissing and it was published back in twenty fourteen
in the Journal of Michaelbiome. So this is really the
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interesting part where this particular study show that ten second
intimate tiss can transfer up to eighty million bacteria from
one person to the other.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
A ten second kiss transfers eighty million bacteria, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Twenty million back.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Then let's say they are suffering from depression. Can they
actually transfer that can you catch depression?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, I it's not, it's not the depression they're catching,
but that you're actually now mixing that particular microbiome. Right,
So you remember microbiomes I mentioned before. They should transfer
that's messengers into our body as well as changes are moved. Right.
I've seen this happen where patients who actually have a
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very bad gut issues. When they start to get better
in their guts, they start to feel better, not even
just that their mental health and their outlook becomes a
whole lot better decision skills, it gets better, they become
a lot more tentative around their surroundings. So all these
things are interrelated into our microbiota, and so it's an
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important part that we have to look at. But when
you look at the long term, partner tends tend to
develop similar microbiota as well. So let's just say a
married couple they're living together, they end up having two
have that similar microbiome status between the two. And I've
seen this where a husband who actually has an H.
Pylori infection the wife gets at the same time, right,
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and they end up having to develop the similar gut issues.
And so when you do a more frequent kissing, greater
than microbial synchronization that goes in. And this exchange is
not limited to the mouth, it can also affect the
gut and then it also affects the systemic inflammation over time.
And there's a part that I mentioned about in my
reel that over time, right, this is going to affect
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your health it's going to give you much more stress
response going on. Never mind the casual sex part. This
is even broader topic of who you date, who you
interact with, who you have sex with. Right, these are
the really important parts that you have to look at.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
This makes me think of another study I read once
that showed that long term relationship health, mental health, well being,
satisfaction in a romantic relationship is less determined by frequency
of sex and more often determined by frequency of kissing.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yes. Why because that microbiota exchange that goes on is
so powerful that, you know, I joke may say I
don't want to mix my micro bond with you, like
it's just like it's a very you know, allfish comment.
But the thing is it has a lot of truth
behind that.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
This is amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
So this is okay, doctor Kim.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
We have to go for a break. When we come back,
I want to talk out about another piece of biology
that you can hopefully expand on about women's olfactory response
when they're on the birth control pill and their ability
to smell good partners or not. Because on this break,
my husband happens to be down in the conference room,
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and I'm going to run down and kiss him because
I think I need to do that Right now. You're listening.
You're listening to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI
AM six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
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You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
My guest, doctor John Kim. By the way, Doctor Kim,
Where can they find you on Instagram? What's your handle?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Absolutely is John dot farm D p h A r
m D. I'm a function synthhoonesist with twenty years of
experiencing clinical experience in dealing with hormone dot and as
well as immune imbalanced.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
John farm MD, not farm like you know, the cattle
and the chickens p h A r M farm m D.
John farm m D.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And John is j O N no h there, Okay, guys,
write it down.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Oh it is? Oh that said? You can find you
on my website is Kim Wellness dot Co.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Kim Wellness dot Co.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Okay, you guys write that down please, John Pharma MD
on Instagram. All right, So we've been talking about how
kissing and frequent casual sex with strangers means that you're
taking a lot of biome into you, and you may
wonder that your bad mood is just because you've had
bad dates, but it could be actually biologically related. But
let's turn the conversation to something I'm well aware of
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of which and I'm sure you are too. The famous
Swiss T shirt study, right where women smelled a man's
pheromone simply by smelling a T shirt he'd slept in,
and decided how attracted to him or not they were.
And then the researchers looked at the pheromones indicate immune
system cells, and they found that the more different someone's
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immune system, in other words, their ancestors fought off a
whole bunch of other diseases than you did. There If
the more different it was, the more delicious they smelled,
the more sexually attractive. And actually there's research to show
that couples who have disparate different immune systems have a longer, sustained,
exciting sex life. There's research into this. You know, they
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pay researchers to do this kind of stuff, all right, So,
doctor Kim, I want to know about what happens when
women are on the birth control pill. And it kind
of mimics pregnancy, right, So wouldn't that anything, No.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
It's not. Actually, what they have seen is that hormonal
birth control pills, so oral constoceptors, actually alters the woman's
natural hormone balancing. As a result, it she flattens the
natural cyclic fluctuation of estrogen and projection. So this actually
profound effect on old factory receptors, especially those tuned to
immune compatibility, pheromone perception, and mate preference. And there was
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a study that actually shown and there's a particular thing
that I decided to research on before we got on.
It was a study back in two thousand and eight,
and it was a study called the Major History Compatibility
Complex or MC dependent mate preference reverse in women taking pills.
And this is a part that's really complex, is that
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women on b control pills have this reverse preference, often
choosing genetically similar partners, which may s you, reduce sexual satisfaction.
You heard me.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
They actually choose bad mates when they're on the birth
control pill. It reduces sexual satisfaction.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yep, and increase risk of infertility or relationship breakdown. You
know what, how profounded that.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I know people who've had so many fertility problems and
so many miscarriages and so much stuff. And they have
said to me, you know, we met when I was
on the pill, and this could be part of it.
Then I think back about some of the questionable long
term relationships I was in, and I was on the
pill when I chose them. Who knew that doing something
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to protect yourself from pregnancy would actually decrease your ability
to be fertile if you chose a partner that was
too genetically compatible. That's what you're saying, they're too genetically compatible.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Right, So in order for a diverse genetic modification that
goes on generation generation, you need to find somebody the
opposite of you, right. So that's the that's human evolution, right.
That's the reason why there's genetic issues within incestful relationship
as well, which you should not be doing anyway. But
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there's a reason why when we're talking about all these things.
Attraction is immune based, right, Woman off the pills are
drug to makes that are sent that are signaling immune compatibility.
So you don't have those particular ways to find who
is compatible for me to make the best baby lit.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
A right, And we should say that we should I
just want to explain something in lay people's terms for
how immune sales work. When two people mate to try
to procreate and make another baby, they take might take
brown eyes from one, dark hair from another, long legs
from another, freckles from another parent. They choose right, accept
immune system genes. Immune system genes are a kind of
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gene that combines to create a stronger human. So it
makes sense that the more different your immune system, the
more will be chemically drawn towards them to make a
stronger human. Did I get that right?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Absolutely? So this's is shuman evolution right. And then I
just mentioned that before pills flattens the hormone response, so
it actually flattens nature, and so pomone contraception blunts this
old factory radar. Like trying to pick a wine what
up plug those? Basically you don't know what kind of
a good wine flavor's going to be, and saw you're
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just picking random bottles and then you're like, wait a minute,
this tastes horrible.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Oh that's a perfect metaphor. Ladies, don't go out there
and try to choose a man with your nose plugged
or being on the pill. But you know what, doctor Kim,
what you've done for me. You have pulled me off
the guilt train here tonight, because I'm going to blame
all my past or relationships on the fact that I
was on the pill and I just didn't have the
(29:55):
ability to choose good medical information. Thank you so much
for joining us. My guest is doctor John Kim. You
can find him on Instagram at John dot Pharma, m
D Pharma or farm farm D Farm farm d at
John dot farm d got it. Thanks so much for
(30:15):
being with us. Thank you so much that brings the
Doctor Wendy Walls Show to a close. It's always my
pleasure to be with you here every Sunday night from
seven to nine pm. If you'd like to follow me
on my social media, the handle is at d R
Wendy Walsh. But I'm always here for you on KFI.
Thanks much for being here. You've been listening to the
Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM six forty live
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everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You've been listening to Doctor
Wendy Walsh. You can always hear us live on KFI
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