December 8, 2025 • 33 mins
Dr. Wendy is offering her Wendy wisdom with her drive by makeshift relationship advice on your relationship questions. PLUS did the #MeToo Movement fail? Has feminism hurt women? We get into it on KFIAM-640!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to kf
I am six forty the Doctor Wendy Walsh Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app. All right, this is the
time of my show where I am answering your questions.
We had a lot of questions come in this week
on social media on my DMS direct Messaging. You're welcome
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to send me a message anytime on Instagram or TikTok.
The handle is at Dr Wendy Walsh. Reminder, I'm not
a therapist. I'm a psychology professor, but I've written three
books on relationships, wrote a dissertation on attachment theory, and
have had a load of life experience. So here comes
my education for you. All right, three, let me see.
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Here we go, Here we go. Uh. Dear doctor Wendy,
how do you know the difference between normal relationship ups
and downs and signs that you're staying in something that's
no longer healthy for you? All right? Well, I would
need some more specific examples, but it sounds like the
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biggest feeling you have is confusion. And I'm wondering if
you're feeling confused because the person you're with isn't being
honest and open with their feelings, so you kind of
don't know where you stand. So these ups and downs
make you wonder whether it's over every time. That's not
a secure attachment. If the primary feeling you have in
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your relationship is confusion, that's not a secure attachment. On
the other hand, if you have a belief system that
if there's conflict you must break up, this can't be right.
Then I'm saying you might need to stay in it
and learn some good conflict resolution skills. Of course, the
answer will come when both of you go to couple's
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therapy and play it out in front of a professional,
and they'll be able to tell you that is the difference.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Moving on, Hey, doctor Wendy, I sold my girlfriend the
best version of myself and this facade is hard to
keep up. How do I slowly introduce her to the real,
less rich me? Oh? I see, So you believe that
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the reason why your girlfriend loves you, the only reason
why she loves you is because you spent a lot
of money on her. You show off your nice car, whatever,
and you're pretending to be richer than you are. All right,
you forgot something, you forgot to bring yourself to the dates,
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your authentic self, your feelings, your fears, your experiences. I mean,
if you're just trying to be a facade of who
you think, I don't know how you're holding it up.
First of all, so the way you slowly introduce her
to the less rich you isn't by saying, by the way,
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I don't have so much money. Is to get her
attached to you, the human being, not you that's paying
all the checks, right, I mean you need to talk
about you and say, hey, I spent a lot of
money and time at the beginning investing in you because
you are so valuable to me, And now I want
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to show you how valuable I can be to you
from an emotional standpoint, and you start it there. But yeah,
you got to start at the beginning being real. It's
two fake all right. Moving on, dear doctor Wendy, I'm
dating somebody wonderful, congratulations, But our communication styles are totally opposites.
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I'm expressive, he's reserved. How do we meet in the
middle without pressuring each other? This is always the big one, right,
And although you call it communication styles, I might just
throw in there that you are more have a slightly
more anxious attachment style, and he might be on the
spectrum of a little more emotionally avoidant. So you're like
trying to draw him out. Let me tell you, I
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used to date guys like that to be pounding on
their chest. But are you in there? Give me some words?
What are your feelings? Right? So I think what you
need to do his comment only on your own feelings
and your feelings of your experience of him. So, in
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other words, you say you're expressive, he's reserved. So something
happens and you decide to describe it. Hey, you know
when we were at the restaurant earlier, when you said
blah blah blah, I felt blah blah blah right, Or
when you didn't talk so much, I felt like I
was carrying it all socially. Tell me what that experience
was like for you, right, So you try to get
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them to express by not criticizing them, but by instead saying,
I want to understand you. I want to know you.
Better take the time you need. I'm here, I'm not
going to judge you. I'm not going to criticize you.
I want to understand you. So if it starts with
I wish you it had open up. How come you
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never tell me anything right, that's going to be a problem,
But instead you can basically say, how can I know
you better? That's what you really want? Okay, cough coming
all right, dear doctor Wendy. My boyfriend and I have
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very different future timelines career, moves, kids, travel, finances. When
do you compromise and when do you admit your visions
of the future just might not align. I think I
had a question similar to this last week. So here's
the thing. Love doesn't conquer all. Sorry, having lust and
attraction and good feelings with somebody, that all fades as
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you get older, and it becomes sharing a life together,
having similar values, similar goals, compatibility, having good communication. And
if you're on a completely different timeline, if you want
to have kids and he doesn't, and hey, you have
a right because you have a fertility window that his
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is much longer than yours. We're now seeing, of course,
that when men have babies late, there are all kinds
of developmental disabilities that can have in the babies, not
just about old eggs folks. For instance, rates of autism
are much higher when the father is over forty. So,
but your ability to get pregnant is a dwindling commodity, right,
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and so you have every right to say no, I
want to have kids, or I want to be able
to live in the city or what have you. And
if he's not going to compromise, then you have a
right to move on because this is your very survival right.
Love doesn't conquer all, but it should be about compromising
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both of you. But if you feel you're doing all
the compromising, that's a problem. Hey, when we come back,
I'm going to continue answering your social media questions. The
handle is at doctor Wendy Walsh at dr Wendy Walsh,
on Instagram and TikTok. Just send me a DM and
we'll answer your question as they come in.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You're listening to doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Heading back to my social media. If you want to
send me a DM, remember go to Instagram or TikTok.
The handle is at dr Wendy Walsh at doctor Wendy Walsh.
I will keep your identity anonymous. Okay, this listener says hi,
doctor Wendy Walsh. Oh my whole name. I like that
I listened to your show on KFI often, and I
was hoping you could do a segment on people pleasing
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in relationships because it's something I have been struggling with. Okay,
so let's talk about what motivates people pleasing behavior. Many
psychologists might say that underneath this desire to constantly please
people is a quiet fear of abandonment or a fear
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of their anger. I will share with you that I actually,
in my past have had a tendency to people please.
The good news is I have much better boundaries now
because I've worked it for many, many years. Now, I
look for reciprocity, and that's why I have such a
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great marriage. I know you guys hate to hear about
my marriage because look, I waited fifty eight years to
find the dude, and A found him, so no such
thing as finding it too late. But we tend to
be the kind of people who exchange care very fairly.
Every once in a while, my old inclination will creep
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up and I will say something like, if he's been
maybe silent for a while, are you mad at me?
Did I do something wrong? You? See, that's the infantile
piece of me that somewhere in my childish past, was
this fear that someone was going to leave me or
get angry with me, or punish me, And it just
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it lies there under the surface, a little bit dormant,
and it pokes its head up every once in a while.
Of course, my Julio just laughs and goes, no, why
would you ever think that? So I guess the question
is when it comes to people pleasing, if you are
one of those people who gives more than they receive.
Partly it's that you're choosing partners who are takers, and
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you're doing that to sort of satisfy your idea of
what love is. Got it, But the way to work
through it is through therapy. You know, on and off.
I've been with my therapist. Oh my goodness, I could
barely say I was pregnant with Carrington. And Carrington's now
twenty seven, so that means like twenty eight years on
and off and I go and I need a touch
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up or I have some questions. I'm back into it now.
We're doing a lot of dream therapy. It's a lot
of fun because she's psychoanalytic. But anyway, I digress, go
see a therapist. Start by saying I give too much
I'm too munch of people. People. Please there, let's figure
out why how can I change my ways? And someone
can work with you? All right, Dear doctor Wendy. Another
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person writes on Instagram, you talked about a book on
boundaries on your show. I didn't catch the title of
the book or the author. Would you please tell me
the name of the book and the author. Well, I'll
just tell everybody I don't even know the author. You
guys can google it. It's called the Better Boundaries Workbook.
Better Boundaries Workbook, and I love it because it just
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gives me so many good ideas for videos for you guys,
but also for information. It helps me with my own boundaries.
So just go on Amazon and look for the Better
Boundaries Workbook. Okay, so this listener on Instagram sent me
back one of my videos. The video they sent back
was well, they commented on, shall I say, showed up
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in my questions in my box? Showed up in my
little DMS was where I was explaining that for women
using dating apps, the first step should always be a
phone call. Now gen Z is terrified of this. Gen
Z thinks that's the weirdest thing in the world. Like
in other words. They will go from texting a perfect
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stranger who may not even be the real person they
purport to be, and they will get dressed up. They
will go out on a date and spend you know,
hours with a stranger. Be disappointed in the first ten seconds,
mind you. And if they're polite, they will still hang
out there for the dinner. They might get the free
food and then leave and feel dejected and think love
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isn't out there. You know, love is something that's built.
It's built with small stages. So I made a video
saying should begin with a phone call, and then you
can tell a lot about somebody from the sound of
their voice. You can read a lot of things. Don't
spend too much time on the phone. This first phone
call shouldn't be three hours, should be less than thirty minutes.
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And ladies, you should get off the phone first. Because
men want a hunt, they want to chase, they want
to court. They don't like it when you're throwing yourself
at them. I mean, they sort of act like they do,
but they don't. All right, we value what we get
to work for, we value what we get to sacrifice for.
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So allow him to win you, please, He's going to
be such so happy, so happy, So you get off
the phone if you didn't like him, and you didn't
feel it during the phone call. Like I was talking
to a young women recently who said, you know, I
had a first phone call, but he felt really distracted,
like he was looking at his computer reading emails. I go,
then you don't need to see him, you don't need
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to go for coffee now, Like enough, you learned right,
would husband behave that way? That's what I always say,
would your husband behave that way? So then you compose
a nice polite text because you never know, like the
next week you could go into a business meeting and
it would be that person. Or they could be a
friend of a friend. You'll run into even in big cities.
Believe me, you run into people in the real world.
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So I sent a nice polite text. You say, delightful
meeting you by phone. I don't think romance is in
the cards. I'd like to keep you in mind for
a friend sometime, please to have met you. That's it.
I sent a text like that to probably twenty thirty
different men before I met my Julio, and nobody ever
wrote me back and said you b word or whatever.
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They either wrote back to say hey, nice chatting with
you too, thanks for the text, or they didn't respond.
Either way, the closure was there. They knew where they stood.
There wasn't this hanging in there wondering, right. Okay, so
if the phone call went well, then you meet for
a short coffee date again. You say, wait, doctor, Wendy,
isn't that lowering the bar. Shouldn't you make him sacrifice
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him so by spending money and getting dressed up and
going on a big date. No, he's still a stranger,
and you are a very busy barbie. Okay, you are
a high value woman. You are a smart woman. You
are not going to donate a couple hours of your
very valuable time to a total stranger. But you will
meet for a quick coffee. Now, you're gonna look cute,
not over dressed, cute, sweats whatever. Little you know that
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no makeup look that takes a lot of makeup to
make the no makelup book. You're gonna do something like that.
You're gonna meet for a short coffee again, leave within
thirty minutes, and be the first one to leave. I
did that with Julio. After that, if you like him,
then you, then you know he'll call and ask you
out on a proper date if you liked you and
you like them. That's how goes. So this woman, in
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response to that video where I basically said that, wrote
to me saying, I don't like to give out my
phone number, and I found it doesn't really help to
get to know them. Hmm. Maybe that's somebody who doesn't
have a lot of social sensitivity, a lot of ability
to pick up cut use from the voice. I get it.
So she said, I'd rather meet for coffee if someone's interested.
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So that's kind of a cut to the chase kind
of person, right if you know. I wrote back, Hey,
if that works for you and you want to donate
that time right away, by all means, I do want
to tell everybody women, if you're afraid to give out
your phone number, get a Google phone. They're free, they're
online whatever. But also, I don't know if you know
anything about technology, but it's real easy to block somebody. Uh.
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Just it's not a big deal to hand out a
phone number anymore. It's not like they can track you,
they're not on location services with you learn to use
your tech, all right, This is not the nineteen seventies.
All right, moving along, when we come back, Oh, let's
talk about the Me Too movement? Do you think it
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was a failure. I want to talk about it when
we come back.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
You're listening to doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
Am six forty. I want to.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Talk a little bit about man and women as I
have been gender gender roles and various social movements over
the centuries. The biggest one, of course, that I've naturally
been associated with because of my XX chromosomes, is the
feminist movement. Some of you may remember that back in
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twenty seventeen, I was named a Time magazine Person of
the Year with a group of silence breakers, including Tarana Burke,
who founded the Me Too movement, and partly because I
spoke out against an episode of sexual harassment at a
major news network. It's interesting that I'm not going to
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give you details today. You can look them up on
the internet. They've all been written about in the news
because I feel there's been a backlash that we've been experiencing.
And I don't know if this is good or bad.
I just know that it's happening, right. But ultimately, whatever
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happened in twenty seventeen. In twenty eighteen, I think was
good for women as well as for men. And let
me explain to you why I believe this is true.
First of all, because of the Me Too movement, for
the first time in history, sexual misconduct became more of
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a structural issue and less of a private issue. So
before Me Too, it was thought of like, oh, I
was just a misunderstanding between you two, or did you
lead him on? I don't know, well, I mean, you
work for him and you did right. There was all
this trying to figure out what went on between a
single man and a single woman. They might have been married,
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but you know what I mean, And women often blamed
themselves when it happened to me. I did too. I
remember thinking what did I do wrong? What did I
say wrong? What did I do? You know exactly? Then
we learned during Me Too it was very structural. Let's
just use the well publicized and well investigated Harvey Weinstein case.
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Reporters unearthed decades of corporate protection mechanisms like ignoring the
many many complaints that were made to HR employing assistants
whose job description included arranging meetings in hotel rooms and
an army of lawyers who used non disclosure agreements to
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silence women, And once we all started talking about it,
we started to see it was a pattern. And here's
why I think it benefited men to Actually, most of
the emails that touched me the most were from men,
and they were from men who said, you know what,
I've been the good guy at work. I've been the
loyal husband and father at work. I watched these guys operate,
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and I had no voice to complain. The boys club
prevented me from complaining. One guy wrote me an email
saying that when he go on business trips, all he
wanted to do at the end of the business day
was go back to his hotel room and call his
wife and kids, but instead his boss would drag him
to strip clubs and all the guys had to do it,
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and he said it was just like we were forced
to follow them. So we do know that because of
me too, the reporting of sexual harassment increased and stigma decreased,
which is good. We're all talking about it, right, but
it also produced real policy change. Over twenty United States
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enacted really important policy changes back in twenty seventeen. Now
their policies their corporate policies might have included the laws
that made corporations follow this. They expanded definitions of what
sexual harassment is. Many companies created mandatory training for all employees.
But the biggest movement for me is the limits that
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were placed on the signing of non disclosure agreements. I
want you to understand how tortuous non disclosure agreements were
to women before Me Too. If a woman complained, she
was likely shamed, and then she was deemed like a
difficult woman to work with and blackballed in her industry.
She had no choice often except to accept a financial
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settlement in exchange for signing an NDA was basic survival
for her. NDAs, in many ways, were a form of
extortion where victims were left to kind of sit silenced
for life in psychological torture. The other thing that happened
is that Me Too expanded feminism to include race and
social class. As I mentioned, Tarana Burke founded hashtag me
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two in two thousand and six specifically to support young
women of color and survivors of sexual violence in low
income communities. Now, you could argue that white women co
opted her movement, or you could say, you know what
it gave her a national platform, international really, that she
didn't have before. And when I say international, METO went global.
It inspired solidarity networks in more than eighty five countries.
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But here's the biggest thing. We are in a big
backlash right now, and that is a sign of social change.
The backlash against me too includes defamation lawsuits against women,
starting with that very public case against actor amberhard, some
men refusing to work with women for fear of a
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false accusation. But most damaging of all is that many
in of our many people in our culture are weaponizing
the very few false accusations that do exist. And I
want to tell you this, if you look back in history,
backlashes always happen when things are really changing. It's actually
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part of the evolution of social change. If the guys
were like, hey, ladies, not your socks off, whatever, just
go ahead, we don't care, then we wouldn't have changed.
Let's look back at history. After the first wave of feminism,
the one that focused on winning the vote for women,
some women formed anti suffrage leagues that argued that having
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the vote would make women more masculine, it would destroy families,
and it would force women into labor well, we have
the vote, so backlash there all. Well, in the second
wave of feminism that focused on workplace and reproductive rights
up rows Phyllis Shaffley to try to stop well, so
she did stop the passing of the Equal Rights Amendment.
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She argued that feminism would force women into the military,
destroy traditional marriage, and legalized gender neutral bathrooms. Don't we
all have gender neutral bathrooms at home? Just saying bottomlight
is we have the vote, we have more workplace rights,
we mostly have reproductive rights. I don't know the states
have their choice on that, and corporate policy changes have
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endured about sexual heracles, right, the backlash is here. I
just want to say this now. The movement is messy. Course,
all movements can get messy. I think hashtag me too
has a big messaging problem where workplace sexual harassment has
become conflated with sexual assault, and when those two definitions,
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which are two different things, got mixed up together, the
public became very confused. I was in London being interviewed
by a BBC reporter who said to me, but like
nothing inappropriate happened, right, Like he didn't touch you, right,
Assuming that sexual harassment must be rape or something for
it to count. But I will say this, the best
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news is that after experiencing a two year increase right
after me too, and the number of reports of sexual harassment,
now it's down down, very low. I think men are
behaving differently. Hopefully it's not because of the backlash going
on so partly because of my voice in this movement
in the past. I want to tell you that I
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was invited to appear on NPR tomorrow morning. I'm going
to tell you all about it when we come back.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
You're listening to doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
All right, So I mentioned that I'm going to be
talking on NPR tomorrow. In the summer, I think I
got an email from somebody at a show on NPR
called Open to Debate asking me if I would talk
about workplace romances. I said sure, whatever, and then I
guess they went a little bit deeper and decided to
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wait and come back to me and invite me to
a full and open debate. I'm going to tell you
when it is now, and I'll tell you again at
the end of this segment, so you can take out
your pen and paper and you can make a note
it's tomorrow morning at nine am, sorry nine am Pacific time,
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I'm noon Eastern time. I got that right, right. I
know I got to get up early and put on
a little lipstick because it's also video. So you may know,
if you've been following me for years, that I am
a survivor of domestic violence and a single mother. They
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have asked me to debate the question has feminism hurt women?
I plan to argue that feminism actually saved my life,
that it made me the beneficiary of some very important
educational and workplace policies that kept me from slipping into
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poverty when I fled violence in my home. I'm going
to argue that feminism is the reason that I could
escape violence, that I could remain employed, that I could
own property and support my children, and indeed the protections
of marriage wouldn't have done that. Now here's who they
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have chosen as my debate opponent. A very bright lawyer,
very well spoken, bright lawyer named Inez Stepman. No, not
Stepford wife, Stepman, just saying. She is a senior policy
and legal analyst for Independent Women's Forum and Independent Women's
Law Center and a self described if you read her
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ex profile a self described anti feminist. So I went
through some of the things she said in the past,
and I actually found something interesting. For the most part,
she and I agree with a lot of things when
it comes to relationships. When it comes to understanding sex differences,
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brain sex differences between men and women, I think she
may erroneously believe that every feminist out there believes that
men and women are completely equal on every level, which
is not the kind of feminist I am. I believe
that all people of all genders should earn the same
amount of money for the work they do, just saying.
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She has also argued that if you look at the
pay disparacies discrepancies there we go between men and women,
you will see that. She says women choose caregiving professions
because of their brain differences. Nurses, teachers, service workers, caregiving
professions that pay less, and so she says that's kind
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of women's choice. And also women work fewer hours because
they're taking care of kids and aging parents. And yeah,
not every woman wants to be in the military or
fly jets or be a corporate lawyer. But those women
who do use their as she calls it, like her,
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they're feminine intelligence they're feminine ability should be paid better
for it, don't you think, like, why don't we just
triple the salary of every teacher out there and every nurse,
because that is the work that if Stepman says we're
destined to do because of our biological reality, then why
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shouldn't be paid for it? She has said publicly a
couple statements that are interesting. She has said single women
are powerful force in society and politics today, sometimes channeling
instincts that would have otherwise been directed toward a loving
family into political causes and careers. So she's basically saying, Okay,
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single women are the problem because they're the ones creating
all this feminism when they should be just focusing on
their family. That's what I get out of that. She
also has said the place where sexual politics runs hot
and destructive is precisely among those with the fewest ties
and reasons to love the opposite sex, a type of
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loneliness expressed as identity politics. Is she saying there that
if a woman is unmarried, or if a woman is gay,
she has fewer ties to the opposite sex, and therefore
she's lonely and really into politics and voicing stuff. I
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don't know. I'll I'll have to ask her. So here's
how it's going to run tomorrow at nine am your
time if you're listening on the East coast twelve pm no, sorry,
the West coast. I'll get my ET and PT. I'm
going to be up early. I'm in La, okay, So
nine am Pacific time, noon East time. So far, we're
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each going to talk for four minutes of a little
statement prepared, very excited about that, and then following our debate,
we are going to be queried. So after we each
talk for four minutes and we debate back and forth
a few things, and then we're going to be queried
by four hour. They're smarty pants women, I know. And
an LA radio host is there, Like, why did they
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invite me? I just want to know why they invite me? Okay,
So one is Karen Lipp's, founder and president of Network
of Enlightened Women called New Then, Nina Burley, Award winning
investigative journalist and New York Times bestselling author of eight books,
including the book The Trump Women Part of the Deal.
Leah Libresco sergeant. I heard her on a podcast recently.
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She's a freelance journalist covering culture and family policy, author
of two substacks including other feminists, as well as the
book The Dignity of Dependence, a feminist manifesto. I'm sorry,
Dignity of Dependence. Okay, we're gonna have to chat. And
then Helene Owen, she's a contributing columnist to ms NOW,
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managing editor at the American Economic Liberties Project. So it
sounds like they picked these four women because to are
on one side and two are on the other side.
But I just want to say that if we're arguing
and debating as women the men are winning, we shouldn't
be divided. We should be all together on this issue.
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And the issue really isn't about men and women, as
you heard me talk about earlier. It is structural problems
with the mating marketplace. Men aren't happy, women aren't happy,
and we need to change the structures and systems of
it all. So if you do want to see it
live like our faces at All, it's tomorrow morning at
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nine am. It's going to be streaming on YouTube, So
you just go to YouTube dot com at Open to Debate.
I think it's slash Open to Debate. That's the name
of the show. Open to Debate, and if you want
to find out more, just go to Open to Debate
dot org. Open to Debate. That's an NPR show and
I will be there tomorrow. Hey, we have holidays coming up.
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I'm not going anywhere, well, I actually am. I'm going
to take my kids home to Canada, to Ottawa. They
already have snow there. I'm so excited. We're gonna have
a white Christmas, which is great. But I'm gonna always
have a show for you every Sunday, even if I'm
there on a Sunday. I think I'm not Actually what
day of the week does Christmas? I can't even remember
the dates right now. But what I really want to
say is you got family coming up, you got holiday
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parties coming up. This is not the month you should
care so much about your calories, your drinking, whatever. Just
get through it, all right. It's a time for you
to relax. The days are short. Everybody's feeling a little
antsy because the sun's going down so early. After December
twenty first, see I'm talking from somebody who has seasonal
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effective disorder. Things get better after December twenty first. The
days start to get a little longer and a little
warmer and everything's going to be okay. But you know what,
just be you over the holidays. Don't create conflict. Do
whatever you take need to cope. Maybe it's not the
time to confront family members about stuff. Do it when
it's not the pressure of the holiday. And also pace yourself.
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You're gonna be invited to a lot of things. Don't
go to them all. And go for a walk every morning,
would you. Hulu and I have been doing that. We
get up in the morning and by seven thirty we're
out for a walk and it's so nice. Anyway, I'm
always here for you every Sunday from seven to nine pm.
You can also follow me on my social media at
doctor Wendy Walsh. You've been listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh.
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You can always hear us live on KFI Am six
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This is doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to kf
I am six forty the Doctor Wendy Walsh Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app. All right, this is the
time of my show where I am answering your questions.
We had a lot of questions come in this week
on social media on my DMS direct Messaging. You're welcome
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to send me a message anytime on Instagram or TikTok.
The handle is at Dr Wendy Walsh. Reminder, I'm not
a therapist. I'm a psychology professor, but I've written three
books on relationships, wrote a dissertation on attachment theory, and
have had a load of life experience. So here comes
my education for you. All right, three, let me see.
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Here we go, Here we go. Uh. Dear doctor Wendy,
how do you know the difference between normal relationship ups
and downs and signs that you're staying in something that's
no longer healthy for you? All right? Well, I would
need some more specific examples, but it sounds like the
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biggest feeling you have is confusion. And I'm wondering if
you're feeling confused because the person you're with isn't being
honest and open with their feelings, so you kind of
don't know where you stand. So these ups and downs
make you wonder whether it's over every time. That's not
a secure attachment. If the primary feeling you have in
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your relationship is confusion, that's not a secure attachment. On
the other hand, if you have a belief system that
if there's conflict you must break up, this can't be right.
Then I'm saying you might need to stay in it
and learn some good conflict resolution skills. Of course, the
answer will come when both of you go to couple's
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therapy and play it out in front of a professional,
and they'll be able to tell you that is the difference.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Moving on, Hey, doctor Wendy, I sold my girlfriend the
best version of myself and this facade is hard to
keep up. How do I slowly introduce her to the real,
less rich me? Oh? I see, So you believe that
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the reason why your girlfriend loves you, the only reason
why she loves you is because you spent a lot
of money on her. You show off your nice car, whatever,
and you're pretending to be richer than you are. All right,
you forgot something, you forgot to bring yourself to the dates,
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your authentic self, your feelings, your fears, your experiences. I mean,
if you're just trying to be a facade of who
you think, I don't know how you're holding it up.
First of all, so the way you slowly introduce her
to the less rich you isn't by saying, by the way,
(03:08):
I don't have so much money. Is to get her
attached to you, the human being, not you that's paying
all the checks, right, I mean you need to talk
about you and say, hey, I spent a lot of
money and time at the beginning investing in you because
you are so valuable to me, And now I want
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to show you how valuable I can be to you
from an emotional standpoint, and you start it there. But yeah,
you got to start at the beginning being real. It's
two fake all right. Moving on, dear doctor Wendy, I'm
dating somebody wonderful, congratulations, But our communication styles are totally opposites.
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I'm expressive, he's reserved. How do we meet in the
middle without pressuring each other? This is always the big one, right,
And although you call it communication styles, I might just
throw in there that you are more have a slightly
more anxious attachment style, and he might be on the
spectrum of a little more emotionally avoidant. So you're like
trying to draw him out. Let me tell you, I
(04:10):
used to date guys like that to be pounding on
their chest. But are you in there? Give me some words?
What are your feelings? Right? So I think what you
need to do his comment only on your own feelings
and your feelings of your experience of him. So, in
(04:30):
other words, you say you're expressive, he's reserved. So something
happens and you decide to describe it. Hey, you know
when we were at the restaurant earlier, when you said
blah blah blah, I felt blah blah blah right, Or
when you didn't talk so much, I felt like I
was carrying it all socially. Tell me what that experience
was like for you, right, So you try to get
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them to express by not criticizing them, but by instead saying,
I want to understand you. I want to know you.
Better take the time you need. I'm here, I'm not
going to judge you. I'm not going to criticize you.
I want to understand you. So if it starts with
I wish you it had open up. How come you
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never tell me anything right, that's going to be a problem,
But instead you can basically say, how can I know
you better? That's what you really want? Okay, cough coming
all right, dear doctor Wendy. My boyfriend and I have
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very different future timelines career, moves, kids, travel, finances. When
do you compromise and when do you admit your visions
of the future just might not align. I think I
had a question similar to this last week. So here's
the thing. Love doesn't conquer all. Sorry, having lust and
attraction and good feelings with somebody, that all fades as
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you get older, and it becomes sharing a life together,
having similar values, similar goals, compatibility, having good communication. And
if you're on a completely different timeline, if you want
to have kids and he doesn't, and hey, you have
a right because you have a fertility window that his
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is much longer than yours. We're now seeing, of course,
that when men have babies late, there are all kinds
of developmental disabilities that can have in the babies, not
just about old eggs folks. For instance, rates of autism
are much higher when the father is over forty. So,
but your ability to get pregnant is a dwindling commodity, right,
(06:41):
and so you have every right to say no, I
want to have kids, or I want to be able
to live in the city or what have you. And
if he's not going to compromise, then you have a
right to move on because this is your very survival right.
Love doesn't conquer all, but it should be about compromising
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both of you. But if you feel you're doing all
the compromising, that's a problem. Hey, when we come back,
I'm going to continue answering your social media questions. The
handle is at doctor Wendy Walsh at dr Wendy Walsh,
on Instagram and TikTok. Just send me a DM and
we'll answer your question as they come in.
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You're listening to doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Heading back to my social media. If you want to
send me a DM, remember go to Instagram or TikTok.
The handle is at dr Wendy Walsh at doctor Wendy Walsh.
I will keep your identity anonymous. Okay, this listener says hi,
doctor Wendy Walsh. Oh my whole name. I like that
I listened to your show on KFI often, and I
was hoping you could do a segment on people pleasing
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in relationships because it's something I have been struggling with. Okay,
so let's talk about what motivates people pleasing behavior. Many
psychologists might say that underneath this desire to constantly please
people is a quiet fear of abandonment or a fear
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of their anger. I will share with you that I actually,
in my past have had a tendency to people please.
The good news is I have much better boundaries now
because I've worked it for many, many years. Now, I
look for reciprocity, and that's why I have such a
(08:38):
great marriage. I know you guys hate to hear about
my marriage because look, I waited fifty eight years to
find the dude, and A found him, so no such
thing as finding it too late. But we tend to
be the kind of people who exchange care very fairly.
Every once in a while, my old inclination will creep
(08:58):
up and I will say something like, if he's been
maybe silent for a while, are you mad at me?
Did I do something wrong? You? See, that's the infantile
piece of me that somewhere in my childish past, was
this fear that someone was going to leave me or
get angry with me, or punish me, And it just
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it lies there under the surface, a little bit dormant,
and it pokes its head up every once in a while.
Of course, my Julio just laughs and goes, no, why
would you ever think that? So I guess the question
is when it comes to people pleasing, if you are
one of those people who gives more than they receive.
Partly it's that you're choosing partners who are takers, and
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you're doing that to sort of satisfy your idea of
what love is. Got it, But the way to work
through it is through therapy. You know, on and off.
I've been with my therapist. Oh my goodness, I could
barely say I was pregnant with Carrington. And Carrington's now
twenty seven, so that means like twenty eight years on
and off and I go and I need a touch
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up or I have some questions. I'm back into it now.
We're doing a lot of dream therapy. It's a lot
of fun because she's psychoanalytic. But anyway, I digress, go
see a therapist. Start by saying I give too much
I'm too munch of people. People. Please there, let's figure
out why how can I change my ways? And someone
can work with you? All right, Dear doctor Wendy. Another
(10:25):
person writes on Instagram, you talked about a book on
boundaries on your show. I didn't catch the title of
the book or the author. Would you please tell me
the name of the book and the author. Well, I'll
just tell everybody I don't even know the author. You
guys can google it. It's called the Better Boundaries Workbook.
Better Boundaries Workbook, and I love it because it just
(10:47):
gives me so many good ideas for videos for you guys,
but also for information. It helps me with my own boundaries.
So just go on Amazon and look for the Better
Boundaries Workbook. Okay, so this listener on Instagram sent me
back one of my videos. The video they sent back
was well, they commented on, shall I say, showed up
(11:08):
in my questions in my box? Showed up in my
little DMS was where I was explaining that for women
using dating apps, the first step should always be a
phone call. Now gen Z is terrified of this. Gen
Z thinks that's the weirdest thing in the world. Like
in other words. They will go from texting a perfect
(11:31):
stranger who may not even be the real person they
purport to be, and they will get dressed up. They
will go out on a date and spend you know,
hours with a stranger. Be disappointed in the first ten seconds,
mind you. And if they're polite, they will still hang
out there for the dinner. They might get the free
food and then leave and feel dejected and think love
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isn't out there. You know, love is something that's built.
It's built with small stages. So I made a video
saying should begin with a phone call, and then you
can tell a lot about somebody from the sound of
their voice. You can read a lot of things. Don't
spend too much time on the phone. This first phone
call shouldn't be three hours, should be less than thirty minutes.
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And ladies, you should get off the phone first. Because
men want a hunt, they want to chase, they want
to court. They don't like it when you're throwing yourself
at them. I mean, they sort of act like they do,
but they don't. All right, we value what we get
to work for, we value what we get to sacrifice for.
(12:35):
So allow him to win you, please, He's going to
be such so happy, so happy, So you get off
the phone if you didn't like him, and you didn't
feel it during the phone call. Like I was talking
to a young women recently who said, you know, I
had a first phone call, but he felt really distracted,
like he was looking at his computer reading emails. I go,
then you don't need to see him, you don't need
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to go for coffee now, Like enough, you learned right,
would husband behave that way? That's what I always say,
would your husband behave that way? So then you compose
a nice polite text because you never know, like the
next week you could go into a business meeting and
it would be that person. Or they could be a
friend of a friend. You'll run into even in big cities.
Believe me, you run into people in the real world.
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So I sent a nice polite text. You say, delightful
meeting you by phone. I don't think romance is in
the cards. I'd like to keep you in mind for
a friend sometime, please to have met you. That's it.
I sent a text like that to probably twenty thirty
different men before I met my Julio, and nobody ever
wrote me back and said you b word or whatever.
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They either wrote back to say hey, nice chatting with
you too, thanks for the text, or they didn't respond.
Either way, the closure was there. They knew where they stood.
There wasn't this hanging in there wondering, right. Okay, so
if the phone call went well, then you meet for
a short coffee date again. You say, wait, doctor, Wendy,
isn't that lowering the bar. Shouldn't you make him sacrifice
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him so by spending money and getting dressed up and
going on a big date. No, he's still a stranger,
and you are a very busy barbie. Okay, you are
a high value woman. You are a smart woman. You
are not going to donate a couple hours of your
very valuable time to a total stranger. But you will
meet for a quick coffee. Now, you're gonna look cute,
not over dressed, cute, sweats whatever. Little you know that
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no makeup look that takes a lot of makeup to
make the no makelup book. You're gonna do something like that.
You're gonna meet for a short coffee again, leave within
thirty minutes, and be the first one to leave. I
did that with Julio. After that, if you like him,
then you, then you know he'll call and ask you
out on a proper date if you liked you and
you like them. That's how goes. So this woman, in
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response to that video where I basically said that, wrote
to me saying, I don't like to give out my
phone number, and I found it doesn't really help to
get to know them. Hmm. Maybe that's somebody who doesn't
have a lot of social sensitivity, a lot of ability
to pick up cut use from the voice. I get it.
So she said, I'd rather meet for coffee if someone's interested.
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So that's kind of a cut to the chase kind
of person, right if you know. I wrote back, Hey,
if that works for you and you want to donate
that time right away, by all means, I do want
to tell everybody women, if you're afraid to give out
your phone number, get a Google phone. They're free, they're
online whatever. But also, I don't know if you know
anything about technology, but it's real easy to block somebody. Uh.
(15:26):
Just it's not a big deal to hand out a
phone number anymore. It's not like they can track you,
they're not on location services with you learn to use
your tech, all right, This is not the nineteen seventies.
All right, moving along, when we come back, Oh, let's
talk about the Me Too movement? Do you think it
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was a failure. I want to talk about it when
we come back.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
You're listening to doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
Am six forty. I want to.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Talk a little bit about man and women as I
have been gender gender roles and various social movements over
the centuries. The biggest one, of course, that I've naturally
been associated with because of my XX chromosomes, is the
feminist movement. Some of you may remember that back in
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twenty seventeen, I was named a Time magazine Person of
the Year with a group of silence breakers, including Tarana Burke,
who founded the Me Too movement, and partly because I
spoke out against an episode of sexual harassment at a
major news network. It's interesting that I'm not going to
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give you details today. You can look them up on
the internet. They've all been written about in the news
because I feel there's been a backlash that we've been experiencing.
And I don't know if this is good or bad.
I just know that it's happening, right. But ultimately, whatever
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happened in twenty seventeen. In twenty eighteen, I think was
good for women as well as for men. And let
me explain to you why I believe this is true.
First of all, because of the Me Too movement, for
the first time in history, sexual misconduct became more of
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a structural issue and less of a private issue. So
before Me Too, it was thought of like, oh, I
was just a misunderstanding between you two, or did you
lead him on? I don't know, well, I mean, you
work for him and you did right. There was all
this trying to figure out what went on between a
single man and a single woman. They might have been married,
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but you know what I mean, And women often blamed
themselves when it happened to me. I did too. I
remember thinking what did I do wrong? What did I
say wrong? What did I do? You know exactly? Then
we learned during Me Too it was very structural. Let's
just use the well publicized and well investigated Harvey Weinstein case.
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Reporters unearthed decades of corporate protection mechanisms like ignoring the
many many complaints that were made to HR employing assistants
whose job description included arranging meetings in hotel rooms and
an army of lawyers who used non disclosure agreements to
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silence women, And once we all started talking about it,
we started to see it was a pattern. And here's
why I think it benefited men to Actually, most of
the emails that touched me the most were from men,
and they were from men who said, you know what,
I've been the good guy at work. I've been the
loyal husband and father at work. I watched these guys operate,
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and I had no voice to complain. The boys club
prevented me from complaining. One guy wrote me an email
saying that when he go on business trips, all he
wanted to do at the end of the business day
was go back to his hotel room and call his
wife and kids, but instead his boss would drag him
to strip clubs and all the guys had to do it,
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and he said it was just like we were forced
to follow them. So we do know that because of
me too, the reporting of sexual harassment increased and stigma decreased,
which is good. We're all talking about it, right, but
it also produced real policy change. Over twenty United States
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enacted really important policy changes back in twenty seventeen. Now
their policies their corporate policies might have included the laws
that made corporations follow this. They expanded definitions of what
sexual harassment is. Many companies created mandatory training for all employees.
But the biggest movement for me is the limits that
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were placed on the signing of non disclosure agreements. I
want you to understand how tortuous non disclosure agreements were
to women before Me Too. If a woman complained, she
was likely shamed, and then she was deemed like a
difficult woman to work with and blackballed in her industry.
She had no choice often except to accept a financial
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settlement in exchange for signing an NDA was basic survival
for her. NDAs, in many ways, were a form of
extortion where victims were left to kind of sit silenced
for life in psychological torture. The other thing that happened
is that Me Too expanded feminism to include race and
social class. As I mentioned, Tarana Burke founded hashtag me
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two in two thousand and six specifically to support young
women of color and survivors of sexual violence in low
income communities. Now, you could argue that white women co
opted her movement, or you could say, you know what
it gave her a national platform, international really, that she
didn't have before. And when I say international, METO went global.
It inspired solidarity networks in more than eighty five countries.
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But here's the biggest thing. We are in a big
backlash right now, and that is a sign of social change.
The backlash against me too includes defamation lawsuits against women,
starting with that very public case against actor amberhard, some
men refusing to work with women for fear of a
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false accusation. But most damaging of all is that many
in of our many people in our culture are weaponizing
the very few false accusations that do exist. And I
want to tell you this, if you look back in history,
backlashes always happen when things are really changing. It's actually
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part of the evolution of social change. If the guys
were like, hey, ladies, not your socks off, whatever, just
go ahead, we don't care, then we wouldn't have changed.
Let's look back at history. After the first wave of feminism,
the one that focused on winning the vote for women,
some women formed anti suffrage leagues that argued that having
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the vote would make women more masculine, it would destroy families,
and it would force women into labor well, we have
the vote, so backlash there all. Well, in the second
wave of feminism that focused on workplace and reproductive rights
up rows Phyllis Shaffley to try to stop well, so
she did stop the passing of the Equal Rights Amendment.
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She argued that feminism would force women into the military,
destroy traditional marriage, and legalized gender neutral bathrooms. Don't we
all have gender neutral bathrooms at home? Just saying bottomlight
is we have the vote, we have more workplace rights,
we mostly have reproductive rights. I don't know the states
have their choice on that, and corporate policy changes have
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endured about sexual heracles, right, the backlash is here. I
just want to say this now. The movement is messy. Course,
all movements can get messy. I think hashtag me too
has a big messaging problem where workplace sexual harassment has
become conflated with sexual assault, and when those two definitions,
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which are two different things, got mixed up together, the
public became very confused. I was in London being interviewed
by a BBC reporter who said to me, but like
nothing inappropriate happened, right, Like he didn't touch you, right,
Assuming that sexual harassment must be rape or something for
it to count. But I will say this, the best
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news is that after experiencing a two year increase right
after me too, and the number of reports of sexual harassment,
now it's down down, very low. I think men are
behaving differently. Hopefully it's not because of the backlash going
on so partly because of my voice in this movement
in the past. I want to tell you that I
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was invited to appear on NPR tomorrow morning. I'm going
to tell you all about it when we come back.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
You're listening to doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
All right, So I mentioned that I'm going to be
talking on NPR tomorrow. In the summer, I think I
got an email from somebody at a show on NPR
called Open to Debate asking me if I would talk
about workplace romances. I said sure, whatever, and then I
guess they went a little bit deeper and decided to
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wait and come back to me and invite me to
a full and open debate. I'm going to tell you
when it is now, and I'll tell you again at
the end of this segment, so you can take out
your pen and paper and you can make a note
it's tomorrow morning at nine am, sorry nine am Pacific time,
(25:00):
I'm noon Eastern time. I got that right, right. I
know I got to get up early and put on
a little lipstick because it's also video. So you may know,
if you've been following me for years, that I am
a survivor of domestic violence and a single mother. They
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have asked me to debate the question has feminism hurt women?
I plan to argue that feminism actually saved my life,
that it made me the beneficiary of some very important
educational and workplace policies that kept me from slipping into
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poverty when I fled violence in my home. I'm going
to argue that feminism is the reason that I could
escape violence, that I could remain employed, that I could
own property and support my children, and indeed the protections
of marriage wouldn't have done that. Now here's who they
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have chosen as my debate opponent. A very bright lawyer,
very well spoken, bright lawyer named Inez Stepman. No, not
Stepford wife, Stepman, just saying. She is a senior policy
and legal analyst for Independent Women's Forum and Independent Women's
Law Center and a self described if you read her
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ex profile a self described anti feminist. So I went
through some of the things she said in the past,
and I actually found something interesting. For the most part,
she and I agree with a lot of things when
it comes to relationships. When it comes to understanding sex differences,
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brain sex differences between men and women, I think she
may erroneously believe that every feminist out there believes that
men and women are completely equal on every level, which
is not the kind of feminist I am. I believe
that all people of all genders should earn the same
amount of money for the work they do, just saying.
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She has also argued that if you look at the
pay disparacies discrepancies there we go between men and women,
you will see that. She says women choose caregiving professions
because of their brain differences. Nurses, teachers, service workers, caregiving
professions that pay less, and so she says that's kind
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of women's choice. And also women work fewer hours because
they're taking care of kids and aging parents. And yeah,
not every woman wants to be in the military or
fly jets or be a corporate lawyer. But those women
who do use their as she calls it, like her,
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they're feminine intelligence they're feminine ability should be paid better
for it, don't you think, like, why don't we just
triple the salary of every teacher out there and every nurse,
because that is the work that if Stepman says we're
destined to do because of our biological reality, then why
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shouldn't be paid for it? She has said publicly a
couple statements that are interesting. She has said single women
are powerful force in society and politics today, sometimes channeling
instincts that would have otherwise been directed toward a loving
family into political causes and careers. So she's basically saying, Okay,
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single women are the problem because they're the ones creating
all this feminism when they should be just focusing on
their family. That's what I get out of that. She
also has said the place where sexual politics runs hot
and destructive is precisely among those with the fewest ties
and reasons to love the opposite sex, a type of
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loneliness expressed as identity politics. Is she saying there that
if a woman is unmarried, or if a woman is gay,
she has fewer ties to the opposite sex, and therefore
she's lonely and really into politics and voicing stuff. I
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don't know. I'll I'll have to ask her. So here's
how it's going to run tomorrow at nine am your
time if you're listening on the East coast twelve pm no, sorry,
the West coast. I'll get my ET and PT. I'm
going to be up early. I'm in La, okay, So
nine am Pacific time, noon East time. So far, we're
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each going to talk for four minutes of a little
statement prepared, very excited about that, and then following our debate,
we are going to be queried. So after we each
talk for four minutes and we debate back and forth
a few things, and then we're going to be queried
by four hour. They're smarty pants women, I know. And
an LA radio host is there, Like, why did they
(30:05):
invite me? I just want to know why they invite me? Okay,
So one is Karen Lipp's, founder and president of Network
of Enlightened Women called New Then, Nina Burley, Award winning
investigative journalist and New York Times bestselling author of eight books,
including the book The Trump Women Part of the Deal.
Leah Libresco sergeant. I heard her on a podcast recently.
(30:27):
She's a freelance journalist covering culture and family policy, author
of two substacks including other feminists, as well as the
book The Dignity of Dependence, a feminist manifesto. I'm sorry,
Dignity of Dependence. Okay, we're gonna have to chat. And
then Helene Owen, she's a contributing columnist to ms NOW,
(30:51):
managing editor at the American Economic Liberties Project. So it
sounds like they picked these four women because to are
on one side and two are on the other side.
But I just want to say that if we're arguing
and debating as women the men are winning, we shouldn't
be divided. We should be all together on this issue.
(31:12):
And the issue really isn't about men and women, as
you heard me talk about earlier. It is structural problems
with the mating marketplace. Men aren't happy, women aren't happy,
and we need to change the structures and systems of
it all. So if you do want to see it
live like our faces at All, it's tomorrow morning at
(31:33):
nine am. It's going to be streaming on YouTube, So
you just go to YouTube dot com at Open to Debate.
I think it's slash Open to Debate. That's the name
of the show. Open to Debate, and if you want
to find out more, just go to Open to Debate
dot org. Open to Debate. That's an NPR show and
I will be there tomorrow. Hey, we have holidays coming up.
(31:56):
I'm not going anywhere, well, I actually am. I'm going
to take my kids home to Canada, to Ottawa. They
already have snow there. I'm so excited. We're gonna have
a white Christmas, which is great. But I'm gonna always
have a show for you every Sunday, even if I'm
there on a Sunday. I think I'm not Actually what
day of the week does Christmas? I can't even remember
the dates right now. But what I really want to
say is you got family coming up, you got holiday
(32:18):
parties coming up. This is not the month you should
care so much about your calories, your drinking, whatever. Just
get through it, all right. It's a time for you
to relax. The days are short. Everybody's feeling a little
antsy because the sun's going down so early. After December
twenty first, see I'm talking from somebody who has seasonal
(32:38):
effective disorder. Things get better after December twenty first. The
days start to get a little longer and a little
warmer and everything's going to be okay. But you know what,
just be you over the holidays. Don't create conflict. Do
whatever you take need to cope. Maybe it's not the
time to confront family members about stuff. Do it when
it's not the pressure of the holiday. And also pace yourself.
(33:01):
You're gonna be invited to a lot of things. Don't
go to them all. And go for a walk every morning,
would you. Hulu and I have been doing that. We
get up in the morning and by seven thirty we're
out for a walk and it's so nice. Anyway, I'm
always here for you every Sunday from seven to nine pm.
You can also follow me on my social media at
doctor Wendy Walsh. You've been listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh.
(33:25):
You can always hear us live on KFI Am six
forty from seven to nine pm on Sunday and anytime
on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
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