July 21, 2025 • 33 mins
Dr. Wendy is letting the single ladies know how to spot a high value man, evolutionary mistakes that can kill your relationship, and we are talking men on birth control with Dr. Darlene Walley. It's all on KFIAM-640!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show on KFI
AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. By
my stumbling over on my words. Okay, So I want
to talk to two people. I want to talk to
single women right now, and I want to talk to
single men who want to be considered a high value
man to women right If you want your a game, gentlemen,
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I want you to listen to what I am about
to say. I think I mentioned to you I'm busy
writing my fourth book that the working title so far
is the title of the video that I had last year.
I think that has five million views on it, and
the video is simply called men Don't fall in Love
through Sex. So for now I'm writing that and the
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subtitle is how high value Women get commitment. Now, one
of the things that high value women and want are
something they call high value men. What the heck is
a high value man? What is it that women like
in a guy? Well? Little research behind this. According to
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a study a few years ago from Personality and Individual Differences,
women who remain in relationships marked by emotional unavailability. That's
not good. Inconsistency or high conflict report increased levels of anxiety,
lower self esteem, worse decision making. So choosing a low
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value partner isn't just bad for your love life. It
can chip away at your entire mental health, physical health,
and indeed, your identity. So let's talk about some traits
that I believe every single woman should be looking for
if they're looking for a long term mate. Number one,
get a pen, write it down. I've got a few
of these things. Number one. A high value man respects boundaries.
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He understands the importance of your word. No. He listens
when you might say I need some space, I need
some quiet time, I need to be alone. No, I
don't want to do that in bed. No, I'm not
available at that late hour to go hook up with you.
He never pushes you out of your comfort zone. He says, cool,
I get it. I respect you. No problem. Number two.
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You're listening, gentlemen, you want to be a high value man,
do these things? Number two. A high value man honors
your time. That means he shows up when he says
he will. That means he communicates clearly if plans need
to change. He values your time as much as his.
There aren't last minute cancelations, there aren't where you're left hanging,
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where he says, oh, maybe this weekend, I'll come out
and see you, And he doesn't, and he doesn't bring
it up, and he's still calling and chatting. No, no, no,
he respects your time. Another thing a high value man
does is he takes accountability. When he makes a mistake,
he owns it. He apologizes sincerely, maybe even sends flowers.
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He follows through also with changed behavior. Right. I remember
when I first met Julio. I don't think i'd ever
met a man before who could say I'm sorry so easily.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
But he could.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But more importantly, because I also met guys before who
said I'm sorry, but nothing changed. They just did this
kind of Academy Award winning performance of apologies, but they
didn't actually change. But he would actually go, oh, no, no,
how do you want me to do it? Like it
was amazing? Number four high value men. This is important.
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Use humor to uplift, not undermine. You know, the other night,
Wholey and I were falling asleep and I had done
some work during the day, and there's some people I
worked with, and we were chatting how to go blah
blah blah, and I was a little giddy, maybe I'd
had too much caffeine during the day, and I was
describing these people and he just started giggling and riffing
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on what I was saying. It went off into crazy
places and we laughed so hard that I was like,
we need to stop laughing because we need to go
to sleep. It's getting too late, right, we were just laughing.
This is called uplifting humor.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But long before I met Julio, I used to meet
these guys whose humor was a little bit like digs, right,
And that's where I learned to saying that there's a
little bit of truth behind every joke. Right, he tries
to a low value man will try to mask his
cruelty behind the words. Just kidding, just kidding. You don't
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have to tell you a story. When I was a
very young woman. You know, I had a big white
Catholic wedding when I was like twenty one for my mother.
But that guy that I married, I remember the first
night we were in a club together. He had a
bunch of friends and I had a bunch of friends.
And he or his friend came back with a round
drinks and he literally said, oh, I guess by the
time Wendy gets around to buying some drinks, the bar's
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going to be closed. Ha ha ha. I ended up
marrying that guy. Is that crazy? I picked the wrong
guys so often in my life, all right? Number five.
A high value man is emotionally supportive, and he reciprocates.
He's not just leaning on you, he leans in for
you too. He listens, he comforts you, He shows up
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emotionally just like you do for him. It's a back
and forth. I'll lean on your shoulder, you'll lean on mine.
We'll take turns caring for each other. Not a bloodsucker
who just takes all your love and empathy and care
and isn't able to give it back. Number six. A
high value man listening gentlemen, communicates clearly and communicates consistently. Ladies,
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if you're in a relationship with somebody and you feel
confused and they're giving you mixed signals, this is not
a high value man, right. A high value man tells
you how he feels. He follows up with actions that
make sense. You never have to guess where you stand.
If you're feeling confused, you shouldn't be in that relationship.
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A high value man also same thing. Why you lads imations, Well, look,
we all get mad and feelings are a rainbow of emotions.
Emotions are messengers that tell us something's not right and
we've got to fix something right. But when he's stressed
and upset, he can self regulate at a certain point,
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he can calm himself down. He can say, I'm sorry,
I didn't mean to yell like that. That was really
crazy of me. I was just feeling so stressed, and
then he can do the work of repair afterwards. Look,
everybody gets upset sometimes, everybody yells sometimes. But if they
can't own up to it, apologize and find a new
way next time, then they don't have good emotional regulation.
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The other thing high value men do is they grow right.
They think about what's happened, they reflect on it, and
they evolve right. One of the best questions you can
ever ask on a first date, especially if somebody you know,
people talk about their past relationships, and if they're just
complaining about their ex or saying their ex is crazy,
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the question you're going to ask is, what did you
learn and how did you grow from your last relationship?
And if they can answer that question in a clear way,
then you know they have a growth mindset, right. You
know that they want to become a better person. They
know that it takes two to tango, and in that
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last relationship they had a piece in it too. This
is a great question you can ask, is you know what,
what did you learn from that? How did you grow
from that? Instead of just letting them complain complain about
their ex All right, when we come back, let us
delve a little bit into the world of evolutionary psychology.
There are some things we're programmed to do that are
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not good for our modern relationships. I'll have more when
we come back. You're listening to the Doctor Wendy Wall
Show on KFI AM six forty. We're live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Walls
Show and I Am six forty live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. All right, you know, my area of interest,
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The favorite subject for me to read about is evolutionary psychology.
I really believe that we have ancient programming that has
not evolved out of us yet, and it is like
operating in the background on some kind of AutoPlay program.
And so I wanted to talk about an idea. I
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have certain evolutionary mistakes that I think can actually kill
our relationships. Right You ever like looked back on one
of your relationships and went, you know, I totally messed
that up. I didn't mean to. Right, Maybe you chase
somebody too hard at the beginning and it felt too
easy for them, or you looked really insecure. You know.
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Sometimes these aren't just bad habits, they're actually built into evolution. So,
according to evolutionary psychologist doctor Glenn Gayher, there are five
major relationship behaviors that might feel normal, natural, but are
actually really bad for lasting relationships. So let's talk about
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the things that doctor Glenn Gayher says. Okay, Number one,
don't prioritize short term traits for a long term partner.
This is two things. If you're a woman, don't use
short term mating strategies to try to get a long
term relationship. That means leading with sex, being too sexy,
all that stuff like letting someone know that you know this,
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you're fun, You're the fun girl, right, Because that's not
going to get you a long term partner. Look, all
genders at some point in their life, I'll looking for
a short term relationship and other times they're looking for
a long term relationship. If you are looking for a
long term relationship, instead of just enticing them with beauty,
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do some assessment. Ask yourself, am I dating just a body?
Or am I dating a future co parent, a life partner,
an emotional companion. I want you to choose if that's
what you're looking for for the road ahead, not like
just the night ahead. Right, Okay. The second thing that
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evolution says we do wrong in our relationships is I
think we underestimate the damage that infidelity can do.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I know there's a group of people out there all
about open relationships and ethical non monogamy. Okay, that's great.
It's a small minority of you. The rest have sexual
jealousy for a reason back in our anthropological past, if
anyone else, if a guy got access to some girlfriend's eggs,
then a dude would end up raising somebody else's jeans. Right,
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So we all have this sexual jealousy, and so it's
really important that you understand that infidelity is serious, that
the emotional betrayal, especially for women is huge. This is
something that shouldn't be taken lightly. Another thing that people
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forget to do sometimes in their relationships is they forget
to mate guard, right, so they kind of abandon their
partner once they've secured them. They do all the whining
and dining and courting and all the things you need
to do, but then they forget to make guard. Now,
there are different ways you can guard your mate. There
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are negative ways that you shouldn't be doing. Quarantining them
where you go and who you're with, who you're talking to,
why you're wearing that. I don't like that, Controlling them,
intimidating them. That's the bad kind of make guarding. The
good kind of make guarding is keeping yourself healthy and fit,
letting them know that you might have options out there
by simply being healthy and fit. But also, on the
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flip side, showing appreciation to your partner, showing gratitude, surprising
them with little gifts or flowers for no reason. Those
are all mate guarding behaviors that we have to remember
to do. Keep dating your partner all right. Here's another
big one. Don't treat jealousy as a virtue. I hear
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this especially from women. They will say, I know he
loves me because he gets really jealous and he's always
asking about where I've been, etc. Look, jealousy evolved as
a make guarding tactic, but in modern times it can
lead to control, mistrust and conflict. When somebody tells me
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their partner is highly jealous, that doesn't tell me that
they're deeply loved. It tells me that their partner is
highly insecure. That's what jealousy means.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I touched on those few in our population who may
have open relationships or practice some version of polyamory. Look,
evolution did favor some short term mating strategies for some,
but it is emotional monogamy. Emotional monogamy that still dominates
most pair bonds. So if you do want to try
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something a little open, don't jump into an open relationship
without clear communication. And you have to have huge emotional
literacy or you are going to break down trust. Right
and if you're not prepared for it, if your partner's
not prepared for it, don't dabble in this novelty because
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I'm going to tell you it's nothing to mess with.
If you're exploring non monogamy, be emotionally over prepared, and
assume that both of you should have higher levels of
honesty and emotional regulation and very good communication skills. And
also this research from the late doctor Helen Fisher, one
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of my idols who passed away last year. Based on
her research, she says, never estimate the emotional experience of love.
Love is a real thing. It's not just a social construct.
It can be even seen in brain activity. Doctor Fisher
would put people in MRI machines and see what areas
of their brains light up when they thought of the
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person they loved. Dearly love, that wonderful feeling helps keep
a partnership together. Now, one of the things I often
hear from people who have been together a long time is,
you know, I love my partner, but I'm not in
love with him anymore. In love like somehow, it's got
to be something that comes from the outside, like Cupid's
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arrow is just going to strike you, and therefore you'll
have this love drug. No. Love takes many forms, and
it changes across the lifespan. And sometimes having mature, companionate
love is better than having hot sex with a lot
of insecurity and anxiety, trust me, and so it is
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possible to keep the feelings of love alive, but you
have to do something right. You have to create the aura.
One of the things that research shows that people do
do is they practice nostalgia. They say, remember our first date, honey,
Remember the time we went on that weekend and we
got caught in the rain, and how funny that was?
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Remember that, right? It is that nostalgia about the beginning
weeks and months and years of your relationship. If you
go back together and dream about it, that is one
way to keep love alive. So anyway, we have ancient instincts,
but we're living in modern times. So pay attention to
your mind and love is real. When we come back,
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I have a very very very special guest, and I'm
embarrassed to tell you that I am going to literally
fan girl in her presence. She is a woman with
over twenty years in business. She's raised over one hundred
million dollars, had over a billion dollars in successful exits.
She's a CEO of a new company that's coming out
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with a male birth control. Oh, I can't wait to
find out more. You're listening to Doctor Wendy Wall Show
on KFI AM six forty We're live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Welcome back to the Dr Wendy wall Show on KFI
AM six forty, Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. One
of my favorite topics is how to have fabulous sex
and reduce all the risks. You know, I've always said
that sex is a higher risk copy for women than
it is for men. Right because of our unique biology.
We're much more likely to contract an STI or much
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more likely to fall in love because of all the
oxytocin that happens to a woman's body. But we're also
more likely to catch an eighteen year case of parenthood,
and as a result, unwanted pregnancies are something that is
top of mind to me. Yeah, I also have daughters
in my twenties, so I think about it. So I
was coming across these articles, and I found this article
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that actually said we're really close, I mean really close
to having a non hormonal male birth control on the
market soon. So I got on the cranker. No, we
don't have crankers anymore. I got on the email and
I got one of the founders of the company. It's
called plan A, and I'd like to welcome doctor dark
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Lean Wally. She has over twenty years of life science
business experience. Get this, you guys. She worked a like
Procter and Gamble jilted Armin Hammer. She has raised her
she's girl girl boss okay, over one hundred billion dollars
for tech companies, and she loves the startup world. Doctor
Darlene Wally, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Thank you so much, doctor Wendy, and such a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, I have to say, it's nice to have you
in the studio with us so I can pick your brain.
And don't you guys think that when we go to
a break, I'm gonna be asking her all kinds of
business questions. But right now, let's talk about male penises,
shall we?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
One hundred and twenty one million unplanned pregnancies take place
every year globally. Eighty percent of men in the US
now finally feel some shared responsibility for pregnancy prevention. Men
are looking for contraceptives. How did this idea of plan
A first come to you?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
That's a great question. The research behind plan A actually
started many decades ago. In India, there was a professor,
doctor Gouha, and he had this idea of male contraception. Unfortunately,
he didn't have the right mechanism or understanding of the
chemical that we do today. So this has been a
lot of research, a lot of activity, and we're so
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excited to be able to bring it to market and
hopefully just a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, So let's talk about how plan a works.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
It's not appeal, it's not appeal.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Plan a is an occlusion that goes into the vast
deference of men. So the vast deference is a tiny
tube that carry sperm in the man's body. So just
like when you start a vas sectomy procedure, it's very easy.
The vast deference lies right below the surface of the scrotum.
It's very easy to isolate it and then we just
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insert our polymer. The polymer turns into a hydrogel and
it blocks sperm. So fluid can go through, but sperm
are just too large. And then a really amazing thing
is when men want to be fertile, all we do
is inject a solution of sodium bicarbonate and that hydrogele
collapses into a water like material, so men can be
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fertile and sperm flow freely.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So it's a simple, little injectable block done in a
doctor's office. And how long does it last?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
It lasts over ten years. And the research in India.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Wow, now you've done some research here in North America.
I think in Canada, right, tell me about that research.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, we actually did an exciting clinical trial in Australia
and in Quebec City, Canada. Very exciting because the important
thing with plan A or any product you want to
get into the vast difference. It's so tiny. On a
good day, it's the size of spaghetti, but it can
be a lot smaller, so they.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Can be angel hair spaghetti. Right.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, So the important thing is a doctor can confidently
get our hydrogel inside the vast deference because you don't
want him to damage it. You don't want him going
through it or along side of it. It would do no good.
So we developed and patented a delivery device. And that's
what the trial was all about, is having doctors tried
that delivery device on men. And we had over twenty doctors,
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everyone from a brand new doctor with less than a
year experience to a doctor who had done forty thousand
best academies in his career and they all one hundred
percent successful using our device.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
And no pregnancies happened with all these patients.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
This wasn't a pregnancy test.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It was just for the delivery, okay, to make sure
it got in there and did the blocking right. So
next stage you're in development, right. So next stage is
you're tracking sexually active men to see how many pregnancies happen.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
We're actually just starting the actual occlusion trials. So the
next step for us, we're in the clinical trial stage,
is to take men who want to try a new
contraceptive and have followed them for several months, and then
also reverse them to make sure that the reversal works
successfully as it has in all of our research. We've
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done animal studies, we've done laboratory studies, so we have decades.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It's not like you're trying it out on the people first,
on the dudes first. Okay, So I'm not a medical doctor,
but for the gentleman listening out there, this block goes in,
the sperm can't get through. They still ejaculate, right, they
still see something, just like men who've had of a sectomy, yep,
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where does the sperm go.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
So the sperm, just like in a fastectomy, as you said,
the sperm get reabsorbed in the body. The body sees
it as a white blood cell, so that there are
macrophasias who absorb the sperm.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And they're pretty tiny anyway, They're like microscopic, aren't they?
Those swimmers? Okay, it's not like we're talking about goldfish
just being absorbed into your body. You know, I was
talking to my husband this morning about this, Doctor Darlene.
I know you're a scientists and your business woman, but
you know, everyday people have to imagine this in their lives.
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And when I was telling my husband about it, not
that we're worried about pregnancy at our age, he said, oh,
you know, I think that's weird because the sperm is
just going to be absorbed into your body. And I
think that's weird. And of course, I said, you know,
plenty of women have absorbed lots of sperm into their
body quite regularly, in all different manners. Okay, it has
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been injected in many different ways, and we're all fine, guys,
we're fine, And he's like, I never thought of it
that way. What about side effects? Do we know anything
about side effects?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Right now? We know that our procedure is so much
less invasive, the doctors tell us, as we know, it's
a simple three to five minute procedure on each vast deference.
So because we're making such a small opening, just doing
an assertion, we're not cutting chaterizing all the things that
a pastectomy would have. The downtime should be very minimal.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
No side of Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
When we come back, we want to talk about when
it might get to market, how much it's going to cost,
weather insurance is going to cover it, and also those
obstacles for men psychologically to get around it. My guest
is doctor Darlene Wally. She is one of the founders
of plan A. The website they can go to is
what plan a dot com. Plan a dot com.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, yeah, plan a for men.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You want to find out more about it, plan a
formen dot com. You're listening to the Doctor Wendywall Show
on kf I AM six forty live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. Welcome back to the home stretch the Doctor
Len dot Show I AM six forty. My guest, doctor
Darlene Wally, is here. In the studio. She has served
as an executive at Procter and Gamble, Gillette, Arminhammer, and
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CEO of many early stage pharma and biotech companies. Right,
what is your actual title at plan A.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I'm the CEO.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm on girl boss here, I'm a CEO. Okay.
She has raised in her lifetime over one hundred million
dollars with over one hundred billion in Dudes, if you're
listening to this, I'm going to use your language successful exits. Okay,
you're a business guy, you know what that is. So now,
she's CEO of a company called plan A Mail Contraceptive.
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They make a contraceptive system, and let's talk about when
it could actually be a reality, when it could be
on the market.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
We are so excited to get this product on the market.
We can't wait, but we have to go through clinical trials.
We've already met with the FDA. They've approved our clinical
trial program, so we're just following all the steps to
prove the safety and efficacy in large numbers of men.
So right now we're on track for twenty twenty seven
to make our FDA submission and shortly thereafter be on
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the market.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, I'm glad Elon's not around advising them because he
wants men to have more babies anywhere they can.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And we're okay with babies, Yeah, we just want them
at the right time, at the.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Right time, and with guys who can afford them. Okay,
that's what we need. So you know, there is first
of all, what costs. Speaking of babies are expensive, but
what could be the cost of Plan A?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So Plan A to start with will be covered under
the Reimbursement Code for vest actomies, and then we will
apply for our own unique code. In my experience, it
takes about eighteen months after your FDA approval. So when
we have our own code, then there'll be nothing out
of pocket for men with insurance. But if you look
at the cost of Plan A, it's about eight dollars
a month. So I don't think you could buy many
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condoms for eight dollars a month exactly, and it's probably
more reliable. So for anybody just tuning in Plan A.
Mail contraceptive is a simple injection that blocks sperm. You
still ejaculate, but no sperm. No little swimmers are going
to make anybody pregnant, are going to happen, and it's
completely reversible with another shot where it dissolves. It's like
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a little block, okay, whenever you're ready. So that's the
cool thing about it.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Now. You know, one of the things the areas of
psychology I'm most in interested in is evolutionary psychology. Evolutionary
psychologists would say that on an unconscious level, all men
want to constantly reproduce, even if they can't afford it right,
and that we have two different mating systems. One is,
you know, lock yourself down with one woman for a
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lifetime or a long time and hope that she'll be
a good mom and take care of any kids that
come out of there, or spread your seed wide and
far and see if that works. Maybe they'll stick in
a good mom somewhere. So how do you get over
these ancient psychological hurdles?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You know, doctor Wendy, you said something really important earlier,
and that is fifty percent of pregnancies in this country
and around the world are unplanned. Unplanned pregnancies lead to
directly to poverty, They lead to mental illness, They lead
to other physical problems for both the mother and the child,
let alone the effect on the rest of the family.
So that's something you know, we're really interested in. And
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the exciting thing is, as you also said, eighty percent
of men in our age group eighteen to forty nine
want something different than condoms, which you wisely said are
very ineffective, or vas ectomies, which are pretty permanent. They're
expensive to get reversed, only fifty percent chance of reversal.
It's a three hour microsurgery if even possible to reverse.
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So a lot of men believe it or not. Thirty
percent of men who make an appointment for a vas
sectomy don't even show up because that's how serious that
decision is. So we want to give men another option.
Right now that eighty percent plus men want another option,
and men young men today, I'm so inspired when I
talk to them. They really want to participate in family planning.
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They see the effect hormonal birth control has on their
partner or their spouse, and they really want to help.
There's just nothing they could do.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It's interesting that you say that because I had a
conversation with a kid, a young man who is about
twenty three years old recently, and I was talking about,
you know, my daughters and her peers and not wanting
to use hormonal birth control, and I'm encouraging them to
get an IUD then to do something to prevent pregnancies.
And he seemed so knowledgeable about women's birth control. I
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had this deep conversation with this kid who was like, Yeah,
hormonal birth control is so terrible for women and they shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Be using it.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
So maybe some of these enlightened young men are going
to step up. Have you thought about your advertising and marketing?
How are you going to reach these guys?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You know, we really have planned consumer advertising, as you said.
And also the medical profession. I've worked on a lot
of breakthroughs in medicine in my career, and usually the
medical profession is very cautious, as they should be. With
this product, doctor Wendy, They the doctors can't wait to
have it in their practice. They see right away, you
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know how wonderful it's going to be. The other thing
is doctor's urologists don't usually see men in this eighteen
to forty nine year old group, so this is going
to expand their practice, which you know, so also like
that side effect as well. So it's just you know,
there's a lot of work that goes into planning on
commercializing a product like this. But believe it or not,
(30:10):
we have over fifty thousand men who have come into
our website. We didn't solicit them because they want to
be in our clinical trials. They want to have plan a.
We get myself and the founder, we get personal messages
on LinkedIn. These men just want the product.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
This is amazing. So can men sign up to be
part of a clinical trial?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
They will be able to sign up probably in the
later part of this year and then all of next year.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And so how are you collecting email addresses? They can
go to plan a dot com. Yeah, plan a for men,
plan a formen dot com. Guys, if you care about
US women, if you care about keeping hormonal birth control
away from us, if you care about not having to
spend a whole lot of money on a baby that
you're not ready for, then why don't you just be
brave and join the clinical trial, which, as you said,
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has already been tried in India for a decade and
great results with smaller trials in Canada. So we're ready
for a big American trial, I think. So, guys, get around,
get your head around it. It's okay, it's use some
numbing cream. Right, Yes, they don't feel anything, right.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, No, it's just like you can compare to getting
your blood drawn, but imagine getting your blood drawn with
a topical anesthetic.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
They will know nothing but the injections in their genitalia. Right,
it's in the scrotum, it's in the no problem, you guys.
Just put a little numbing cream. Look, we get botox.
I don't. I'm not saying I do. But the women
get a little numbing cream. Everything's fine. Last time you
went to the dentist, right, maybe you got a little filling.
They put some numbing cream on your gum before they
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went in there, same kind of deal, and then it
wears off and you're fine. So we're going to encourage
young men everywhere to go to plan a for men
dot com and sign up for a clinical trial. I
love talking about groundbreaking science that really can change people's
lives in a big way. Doctor Darlene Wally, thank you
so much for joining us on the Doctor Wendy Wall Show.
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show on KFI
AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. By
my stumbling over on my words. Okay, So I want
to talk to two people. I want to talk to
single women right now, and I want to talk to
single men who want to be considered a high value
man to women right If you want your a game, gentlemen,
(00:31):
I want you to listen to what I am about
to say. I think I mentioned to you I'm busy
writing my fourth book that the working title so far
is the title of the video that I had last year.
I think that has five million views on it, and
the video is simply called men Don't fall in Love
through Sex. So for now I'm writing that and the
(00:52):
subtitle is how high value Women get commitment. Now, one
of the things that high value women and want are
something they call high value men. What the heck is
a high value man? What is it that women like
in a guy? Well? Little research behind this. According to
(01:13):
a study a few years ago from Personality and Individual Differences,
women who remain in relationships marked by emotional unavailability. That's
not good. Inconsistency or high conflict report increased levels of anxiety,
lower self esteem, worse decision making. So choosing a low
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value partner isn't just bad for your love life. It
can chip away at your entire mental health, physical health,
and indeed, your identity. So let's talk about some traits
that I believe every single woman should be looking for
if they're looking for a long term mate. Number one,
get a pen, write it down. I've got a few
of these things. Number one. A high value man respects boundaries.
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He understands the importance of your word. No. He listens
when you might say I need some space, I need
some quiet time, I need to be alone. No, I
don't want to do that in bed. No, I'm not
available at that late hour to go hook up with you.
He never pushes you out of your comfort zone. He says, cool,
I get it. I respect you. No problem. Number two.
(02:24):
You're listening, gentlemen, you want to be a high value man,
do these things? Number two. A high value man honors
your time. That means he shows up when he says
he will. That means he communicates clearly if plans need
to change. He values your time as much as his.
There aren't last minute cancelations, there aren't where you're left hanging,
(02:47):
where he says, oh, maybe this weekend, I'll come out
and see you, And he doesn't, and he doesn't bring
it up, and he's still calling and chatting. No, no, no,
he respects your time. Another thing a high value man
does is he takes accountability. When he makes a mistake,
he owns it. He apologizes sincerely, maybe even sends flowers.
(03:10):
He follows through also with changed behavior. Right. I remember
when I first met Julio. I don't think i'd ever
met a man before who could say I'm sorry so easily.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
But he could.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But more importantly, because I also met guys before who
said I'm sorry, but nothing changed. They just did this
kind of Academy Award winning performance of apologies, but they
didn't actually change. But he would actually go, oh, no, no,
how do you want me to do it? Like it
was amazing? Number four high value men. This is important.
(03:44):
Use humor to uplift, not undermine. You know, the other night,
Wholey and I were falling asleep and I had done
some work during the day, and there's some people I
worked with, and we were chatting how to go blah
blah blah, and I was a little giddy, maybe I'd
had too much caffeine during the day, and I was
describing these people and he just started giggling and riffing
(04:07):
on what I was saying. It went off into crazy
places and we laughed so hard that I was like,
we need to stop laughing because we need to go
to sleep. It's getting too late, right, we were just laughing.
This is called uplifting humor.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But long before I met Julio, I used to meet
these guys whose humor was a little bit like digs, right,
And that's where I learned to saying that there's a
little bit of truth behind every joke. Right, he tries
to a low value man will try to mask his
cruelty behind the words. Just kidding, just kidding. You don't
(04:44):
have to tell you a story. When I was a
very young woman. You know, I had a big white
Catholic wedding when I was like twenty one for my mother.
But that guy that I married, I remember the first
night we were in a club together. He had a
bunch of friends and I had a bunch of friends.
And he or his friend came back with a round
drinks and he literally said, oh, I guess by the
time Wendy gets around to buying some drinks, the bar's
(05:06):
going to be closed. Ha ha ha. I ended up
marrying that guy. Is that crazy? I picked the wrong
guys so often in my life, all right? Number five.
A high value man is emotionally supportive, and he reciprocates.
He's not just leaning on you, he leans in for
you too. He listens, he comforts you, He shows up
(05:27):
emotionally just like you do for him. It's a back
and forth. I'll lean on your shoulder, you'll lean on mine.
We'll take turns caring for each other. Not a bloodsucker
who just takes all your love and empathy and care
and isn't able to give it back. Number six. A
high value man listening gentlemen, communicates clearly and communicates consistently. Ladies,
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if you're in a relationship with somebody and you feel
confused and they're giving you mixed signals, this is not
a high value man, right. A high value man tells
you how he feels. He follows up with actions that
make sense. You never have to guess where you stand.
If you're feeling confused, you shouldn't be in that relationship.
(06:14):
A high value man also same thing. Why you lads imations, Well, look,
we all get mad and feelings are a rainbow of emotions.
Emotions are messengers that tell us something's not right and
we've got to fix something right. But when he's stressed
and upset, he can self regulate at a certain point,
(06:36):
he can calm himself down. He can say, I'm sorry,
I didn't mean to yell like that. That was really
crazy of me. I was just feeling so stressed, and
then he can do the work of repair afterwards. Look,
everybody gets upset sometimes, everybody yells sometimes. But if they
can't own up to it, apologize and find a new
way next time, then they don't have good emotional regulation.
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The other thing high value men do is they grow right.
They think about what's happened, they reflect on it, and
they evolve right. One of the best questions you can
ever ask on a first date, especially if somebody you know,
people talk about their past relationships, and if they're just
complaining about their ex or saying their ex is crazy,
(07:21):
the question you're going to ask is, what did you
learn and how did you grow from your last relationship?
And if they can answer that question in a clear way,
then you know they have a growth mindset, right. You
know that they want to become a better person. They
know that it takes two to tango, and in that
(07:42):
last relationship they had a piece in it too. This
is a great question you can ask, is you know what,
what did you learn from that? How did you grow
from that? Instead of just letting them complain complain about
their ex All right, when we come back, let us
delve a little bit into the world of evolutionary psychology.
There are some things we're programmed to do that are
(08:03):
not good for our modern relationships. I'll have more when
we come back. You're listening to the Doctor Wendy Wall
Show on KFI AM six forty. We're live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Walls
Show and I Am six forty live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. All right, you know, my area of interest,
(08:25):
The favorite subject for me to read about is evolutionary psychology.
I really believe that we have ancient programming that has
not evolved out of us yet, and it is like
operating in the background on some kind of AutoPlay program.
And so I wanted to talk about an idea. I
(08:46):
have certain evolutionary mistakes that I think can actually kill
our relationships. Right You ever like looked back on one
of your relationships and went, you know, I totally messed
that up. I didn't mean to. Right, Maybe you chase
somebody too hard at the beginning and it felt too
easy for them, or you looked really insecure. You know.
(09:12):
Sometimes these aren't just bad habits, they're actually built into evolution. So,
according to evolutionary psychologist doctor Glenn Gayher, there are five
major relationship behaviors that might feel normal, natural, but are
actually really bad for lasting relationships. So let's talk about
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the things that doctor Glenn Gayher says. Okay, Number one,
don't prioritize short term traits for a long term partner.
This is two things. If you're a woman, don't use
short term mating strategies to try to get a long
term relationship. That means leading with sex, being too sexy,
all that stuff like letting someone know that you know this,
(09:56):
you're fun, You're the fun girl, right, Because that's not
going to get you a long term partner. Look, all
genders at some point in their life, I'll looking for
a short term relationship and other times they're looking for
a long term relationship. If you are looking for a
long term relationship, instead of just enticing them with beauty,
(10:19):
do some assessment. Ask yourself, am I dating just a body?
Or am I dating a future co parent, a life partner,
an emotional companion. I want you to choose if that's
what you're looking for for the road ahead, not like
just the night ahead. Right, Okay. The second thing that
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evolution says we do wrong in our relationships is I
think we underestimate the damage that infidelity can do.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I know there's a group of people out there all
about open relationships and ethical non monogamy. Okay, that's great.
It's a small minority of you. The rest have sexual
jealousy for a reason back in our anthropological past, if
anyone else, if a guy got access to some girlfriend's eggs,
then a dude would end up raising somebody else's jeans. Right,
(11:15):
So we all have this sexual jealousy, and so it's
really important that you understand that infidelity is serious, that
the emotional betrayal, especially for women is huge. This is
something that shouldn't be taken lightly. Another thing that people
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forget to do sometimes in their relationships is they forget
to mate guard, right, so they kind of abandon their
partner once they've secured them. They do all the whining
and dining and courting and all the things you need
to do, but then they forget to make guard. Now,
there are different ways you can guard your mate. There
(11:57):
are negative ways that you shouldn't be doing. Quarantining them
where you go and who you're with, who you're talking to,
why you're wearing that. I don't like that, Controlling them,
intimidating them. That's the bad kind of make guarding. The
good kind of make guarding is keeping yourself healthy and fit,
letting them know that you might have options out there
by simply being healthy and fit. But also, on the
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flip side, showing appreciation to your partner, showing gratitude, surprising
them with little gifts or flowers for no reason. Those
are all mate guarding behaviors that we have to remember
to do. Keep dating your partner all right. Here's another
big one. Don't treat jealousy as a virtue. I hear
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this especially from women. They will say, I know he
loves me because he gets really jealous and he's always
asking about where I've been, etc. Look, jealousy evolved as
a make guarding tactic, but in modern times it can
lead to control, mistrust and conflict. When somebody tells me
(13:02):
their partner is highly jealous, that doesn't tell me that
they're deeply loved. It tells me that their partner is
highly insecure. That's what jealousy means.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I touched on those few in our population who may
have open relationships or practice some version of polyamory. Look,
evolution did favor some short term mating strategies for some,
but it is emotional monogamy. Emotional monogamy that still dominates
most pair bonds. So if you do want to try
(13:38):
something a little open, don't jump into an open relationship
without clear communication. And you have to have huge emotional
literacy or you are going to break down trust. Right
and if you're not prepared for it, if your partner's
not prepared for it, don't dabble in this novelty because
(14:00):
I'm going to tell you it's nothing to mess with.
If you're exploring non monogamy, be emotionally over prepared, and
assume that both of you should have higher levels of
honesty and emotional regulation and very good communication skills. And
also this research from the late doctor Helen Fisher, one
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of my idols who passed away last year. Based on
her research, she says, never estimate the emotional experience of love.
Love is a real thing. It's not just a social construct.
It can be even seen in brain activity. Doctor Fisher
would put people in MRI machines and see what areas
of their brains light up when they thought of the
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person they loved. Dearly love, that wonderful feeling helps keep
a partnership together. Now, one of the things I often
hear from people who have been together a long time is,
you know, I love my partner, but I'm not in
love with him anymore. In love like somehow, it's got
to be something that comes from the outside, like Cupid's
(15:07):
arrow is just going to strike you, and therefore you'll
have this love drug. No. Love takes many forms, and
it changes across the lifespan. And sometimes having mature, companionate
love is better than having hot sex with a lot
of insecurity and anxiety, trust me, and so it is
(15:27):
possible to keep the feelings of love alive, but you
have to do something right. You have to create the aura.
One of the things that research shows that people do
do is they practice nostalgia. They say, remember our first date, honey,
Remember the time we went on that weekend and we
got caught in the rain, and how funny that was?
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Remember that, right? It is that nostalgia about the beginning
weeks and months and years of your relationship. If you
go back together and dream about it, that is one
way to keep love alive. So anyway, we have ancient instincts,
but we're living in modern times. So pay attention to
your mind and love is real. When we come back,
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I have a very very very special guest, and I'm
embarrassed to tell you that I am going to literally
fan girl in her presence. She is a woman with
over twenty years in business. She's raised over one hundred
million dollars, had over a billion dollars in successful exits.
She's a CEO of a new company that's coming out
(16:34):
with a male birth control. Oh, I can't wait to
find out more. You're listening to Doctor Wendy Wall Show
on KFI AM six forty We're live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Welcome back to the Dr Wendy wall Show on KFI
AM six forty, Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. One
of my favorite topics is how to have fabulous sex
and reduce all the risks. You know, I've always said
that sex is a higher risk copy for women than
it is for men. Right because of our unique biology.
We're much more likely to contract an STI or much
(17:15):
more likely to fall in love because of all the
oxytocin that happens to a woman's body. But we're also
more likely to catch an eighteen year case of parenthood,
and as a result, unwanted pregnancies are something that is
top of mind to me. Yeah, I also have daughters
in my twenties, so I think about it. So I
was coming across these articles, and I found this article
(17:38):
that actually said we're really close, I mean really close
to having a non hormonal male birth control on the
market soon. So I got on the cranker. No, we
don't have crankers anymore. I got on the email and
I got one of the founders of the company. It's
called plan A, and I'd like to welcome doctor dark
(18:00):
Lean Wally. She has over twenty years of life science
business experience. Get this, you guys. She worked a like
Procter and Gamble jilted Armin Hammer. She has raised her
she's girl girl boss okay, over one hundred billion dollars
for tech companies, and she loves the startup world. Doctor
Darlene Wally, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Thank you so much, doctor Wendy, and such a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, I have to say, it's nice to have you
in the studio with us so I can pick your brain.
And don't you guys think that when we go to
a break, I'm gonna be asking her all kinds of
business questions. But right now, let's talk about male penises,
shall we?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
One hundred and twenty one million unplanned pregnancies take place
every year globally. Eighty percent of men in the US
now finally feel some shared responsibility for pregnancy prevention. Men
are looking for contraceptives. How did this idea of plan
A first come to you?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
That's a great question. The research behind plan A actually
started many decades ago. In India, there was a professor,
doctor Gouha, and he had this idea of male contraception. Unfortunately,
he didn't have the right mechanism or understanding of the
chemical that we do today. So this has been a
lot of research, a lot of activity, and we're so
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excited to be able to bring it to market and
hopefully just a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, So let's talk about how plan a works.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
It's not appeal, it's not appeal.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Plan a is an occlusion that goes into the vast
deference of men. So the vast deference is a tiny
tube that carry sperm in the man's body. So just
like when you start a vas sectomy procedure, it's very easy.
The vast deference lies right below the surface of the scrotum.
It's very easy to isolate it and then we just
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insert our polymer. The polymer turns into a hydrogel and
it blocks sperm. So fluid can go through, but sperm
are just too large. And then a really amazing thing
is when men want to be fertile, all we do
is inject a solution of sodium bicarbonate and that hydrogele
collapses into a water like material, so men can be
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fertile and sperm flow freely.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So it's a simple, little injectable block done in a
doctor's office. And how long does it last?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
It lasts over ten years. And the research in India.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Wow, now you've done some research here in North America.
I think in Canada, right, tell me about that research.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, we actually did an exciting clinical trial in Australia
and in Quebec City, Canada. Very exciting because the important
thing with plan A or any product you want to
get into the vast difference. It's so tiny. On a
good day, it's the size of spaghetti, but it can
be a lot smaller, so they.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Can be angel hair spaghetti. Right.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, So the important thing is a doctor can confidently
get our hydrogel inside the vast deference because you don't
want him to damage it. You don't want him going
through it or along side of it. It would do no good.
So we developed and patented a delivery device. And that's
what the trial was all about, is having doctors tried
that delivery device on men. And we had over twenty doctors,
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everyone from a brand new doctor with less than a
year experience to a doctor who had done forty thousand
best academies in his career and they all one hundred
percent successful using our device.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
And no pregnancies happened with all these patients.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
This wasn't a pregnancy test.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It was just for the delivery, okay, to make sure
it got in there and did the blocking right. So
next stage you're in development, right. So next stage is
you're tracking sexually active men to see how many pregnancies happen.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
We're actually just starting the actual occlusion trials. So the
next step for us, we're in the clinical trial stage,
is to take men who want to try a new
contraceptive and have followed them for several months, and then
also reverse them to make sure that the reversal works
successfully as it has in all of our research. We've
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done animal studies, we've done laboratory studies, so we have decades.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It's not like you're trying it out on the people first,
on the dudes first. Okay, So I'm not a medical doctor,
but for the gentleman listening out there, this block goes in,
the sperm can't get through. They still ejaculate, right, they
still see something, just like men who've had of a sectomy, yep,
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where does the sperm go.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
So the sperm, just like in a fastectomy, as you said,
the sperm get reabsorbed in the body. The body sees
it as a white blood cell, so that there are
macrophasias who absorb the sperm.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And they're pretty tiny anyway, They're like microscopic, aren't they?
Those swimmers? Okay, it's not like we're talking about goldfish
just being absorbed into your body. You know, I was
talking to my husband this morning about this, Doctor Darlene.
I know you're a scientists and your business woman, but
you know, everyday people have to imagine this in their lives.
(23:04):
And when I was telling my husband about it, not
that we're worried about pregnancy at our age, he said, oh,
you know, I think that's weird because the sperm is
just going to be absorbed into your body. And I
think that's weird. And of course, I said, you know,
plenty of women have absorbed lots of sperm into their
body quite regularly, in all different manners. Okay, it has
(23:25):
been injected in many different ways, and we're all fine, guys,
we're fine, And he's like, I never thought of it
that way. What about side effects? Do we know anything
about side effects?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Right now? We know that our procedure is so much
less invasive, the doctors tell us, as we know, it's
a simple three to five minute procedure on each vast deference.
So because we're making such a small opening, just doing
an assertion, we're not cutting chaterizing all the things that
a pastectomy would have. The downtime should be very minimal.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
No side of Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
When we come back, we want to talk about when
it might get to market, how much it's going to cost,
weather insurance is going to cover it, and also those
obstacles for men psychologically to get around it. My guest
is doctor Darlene Wally. She is one of the founders
of plan A. The website they can go to is
what plan a dot com. Plan a dot com.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, yeah, plan a for men.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You want to find out more about it, plan a
formen dot com. You're listening to the Doctor Wendywall Show
on kf I AM six forty live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. Welcome back to the home stretch the Doctor
Len dot Show I AM six forty. My guest, doctor
Darlene Wally, is here. In the studio. She has served
as an executive at Procter and Gamble, Gillette, Arminhammer, and
(24:45):
CEO of many early stage pharma and biotech companies. Right,
what is your actual title at plan A.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I'm the CEO.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm on girl boss here, I'm a CEO. Okay.
She has raised in her lifetime over one hundred million
dollars with over one hundred billion in Dudes, if you're
listening to this, I'm going to use your language successful exits. Okay,
you're a business guy, you know what that is. So now,
she's CEO of a company called plan A Mail Contraceptive.
(25:13):
They make a contraceptive system, and let's talk about when
it could actually be a reality, when it could be
on the market.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
We are so excited to get this product on the market.
We can't wait, but we have to go through clinical trials.
We've already met with the FDA. They've approved our clinical
trial program, so we're just following all the steps to
prove the safety and efficacy in large numbers of men.
So right now we're on track for twenty twenty seven
to make our FDA submission and shortly thereafter be on
(25:44):
the market.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, I'm glad Elon's not around advising them because he
wants men to have more babies anywhere they can.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And we're okay with babies, Yeah, we just want them
at the right time, at the.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Right time, and with guys who can afford them. Okay,
that's what we need. So you know, there is first
of all, what costs. Speaking of babies are expensive, but
what could be the cost of Plan A?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So Plan A to start with will be covered under
the Reimbursement Code for vest actomies, and then we will
apply for our own unique code. In my experience, it
takes about eighteen months after your FDA approval. So when
we have our own code, then there'll be nothing out
of pocket for men with insurance. But if you look
at the cost of Plan A, it's about eight dollars
a month. So I don't think you could buy many
(26:27):
condoms for eight dollars a month exactly, and it's probably
more reliable. So for anybody just tuning in Plan A.
Mail contraceptive is a simple injection that blocks sperm. You
still ejaculate, but no sperm. No little swimmers are going
to make anybody pregnant, are going to happen, and it's
completely reversible with another shot where it dissolves. It's like
(26:51):
a little block, okay, whenever you're ready. So that's the
cool thing about it.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Now. You know, one of the things the areas of
psychology I'm most in interested in is evolutionary psychology. Evolutionary
psychologists would say that on an unconscious level, all men
want to constantly reproduce, even if they can't afford it right,
and that we have two different mating systems. One is,
you know, lock yourself down with one woman for a
(27:16):
lifetime or a long time and hope that she'll be
a good mom and take care of any kids that
come out of there, or spread your seed wide and
far and see if that works. Maybe they'll stick in
a good mom somewhere. So how do you get over
these ancient psychological hurdles?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You know, doctor Wendy, you said something really important earlier,
and that is fifty percent of pregnancies in this country
and around the world are unplanned. Unplanned pregnancies lead to
directly to poverty, They lead to mental illness, They lead
to other physical problems for both the mother and the child,
let alone the effect on the rest of the family.
So that's something you know, we're really interested in. And
(27:56):
the exciting thing is, as you also said, eighty percent
of men in our age group eighteen to forty nine
want something different than condoms, which you wisely said are
very ineffective, or vas ectomies, which are pretty permanent. They're
expensive to get reversed, only fifty percent chance of reversal.
It's a three hour microsurgery if even possible to reverse.
(28:19):
So a lot of men believe it or not. Thirty
percent of men who make an appointment for a vas
sectomy don't even show up because that's how serious that
decision is. So we want to give men another option.
Right now that eighty percent plus men want another option,
and men young men today, I'm so inspired when I
talk to them. They really want to participate in family planning.
(28:41):
They see the effect hormonal birth control has on their
partner or their spouse, and they really want to help.
There's just nothing they could do.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It's interesting that you say that because I had a
conversation with a kid, a young man who is about
twenty three years old recently, and I was talking about,
you know, my daughters and her peers and not wanting
to use hormonal birth control, and I'm encouraging them to
get an IUD then to do something to prevent pregnancies.
And he seemed so knowledgeable about women's birth control. I
(29:11):
had this deep conversation with this kid who was like, Yeah,
hormonal birth control is so terrible for women and they shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Be using it.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
So maybe some of these enlightened young men are going
to step up. Have you thought about your advertising and marketing?
How are you going to reach these guys?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You know, we really have planned consumer advertising, as you said.
And also the medical profession. I've worked on a lot
of breakthroughs in medicine in my career, and usually the
medical profession is very cautious, as they should be. With
this product, doctor Wendy, They the doctors can't wait to
have it in their practice. They see right away, you
(29:49):
know how wonderful it's going to be. The other thing
is doctor's urologists don't usually see men in this eighteen
to forty nine year old group, so this is going
to expand their practice, which you know, so also like
that side effect as well. So it's just you know,
there's a lot of work that goes into planning on
commercializing a product like this. But believe it or not,
(30:10):
we have over fifty thousand men who have come into
our website. We didn't solicit them because they want to
be in our clinical trials. They want to have plan a.
We get myself and the founder, we get personal messages
on LinkedIn. These men just want the product.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
This is amazing. So can men sign up to be
part of a clinical trial?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
They will be able to sign up probably in the
later part of this year and then all of next year.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And so how are you collecting email addresses? They can
go to plan a dot com. Yeah, plan a for men,
plan a formen dot com. Guys, if you care about
US women, if you care about keeping hormonal birth control
away from us, if you care about not having to
spend a whole lot of money on a baby that
you're not ready for, then why don't you just be
brave and join the clinical trial, which, as you said,
(30:59):
has already been tried in India for a decade and
great results with smaller trials in Canada. So we're ready
for a big American trial, I think. So, guys, get around,
get your head around it. It's okay, it's use some
numbing cream. Right, Yes, they don't feel anything, right.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, No, it's just like you can compare to getting
your blood drawn, but imagine getting your blood drawn with
a topical anesthetic.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
They will know nothing but the injections in their genitalia. Right,
it's in the scrotum, it's in the no problem, you guys.
Just put a little numbing cream. Look, we get botox.
I don't. I'm not saying I do. But the women
get a little numbing cream. Everything's fine. Last time you
went to the dentist, right, maybe you got a little filling.
They put some numbing cream on your gum before they
(31:45):
went in there, same kind of deal, and then it
wears off and you're fine. So we're going to encourage
young men everywhere to go to plan a for men
dot com and sign up for a clinical trial. I
love talking about groundbreaking science that really can change people's
lives in a big way. Doctor Darlene Wally, thank you
so much for joining us on the Doctor Wendy Wall Show.
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