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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Doctor Wendy wallsh Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
If you're new to my show. I'm a professor at
California State University, Channel Islands, and I am obsessed with
the science of love. Literally, I've written three books on relationships,
did a dissertation on attachment theory, and well, I love
to weigh in on everybody's love life, but I also.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Teach health psychology.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So later in the show, we are going to talk
about a subject that many people don't like to talk about, dementia,
including Alzheimer's and why it is so prevalent in women
and what we can do about it. Also, if you
have a trop trophy spouse or you are a trophy
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wife a trophy husband, you better listen up. Guess what
your roles may reverse during marriage. There's a new study
that's super fascinating. Also, if you're one of those people
that believes in love languages, I kind of sort of
do or don't. I'll explain later. You might want to
ask yourself, well, what helps people feel loved the most
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words or actions? And the answer is it depends. It
depends on whether you're a man or a woman. All Right,
but first up, let's talk about celebrity news in this week.
Sidney Sweeney. Remember her, she's supposedly dating Scooter Braun. Now,
let me just put it all into context to remind
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you who she is in case she's not on your radar.
She's an actress. She's twenty eight years old. She's famous
for her breakout acting roles in Euphoria and I think
it was season one of The White Lotus. She played
like a teenager, a very grumpy teenager. But she did
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a major viral gene ad and it had kind of
an allusion to eugenics. Now, eugenics, in case you don't know,
is completely discredited and it's a harmful ideology that claimed
that you could improve humanity by encouraging certain people, namely
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white people with blonde hair and blue eyes to reproduce
and prevent others from doing so. So that was you know,
Hitler studied eugenics, right, and that was what we saw
at the beginning of World War Two. So she did
this ad for I think American Eagle genes, and this
ad sparked a major controversy.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Listen to This City's Tweeny has very keen. You see
what I said there? Not play on words.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Genes and genes started a cultural firestorm, with American Eagle
and Sydney Sweeney at the center.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Jans are passed down from parents to offspring, often determining
traits like her color, personality, and even eye color.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
My jeans were blue, Oh yeah, so she meant my
genes j e a n as in a kind of
trousers were blue like blue jeans. But there she is
with blonde hair and blue eyes talking about traits that
are inherited. So of course the world went crazy saying,
oh my gosh, she's a racist, and as you can imagine,
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it became political.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Jd.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Vance weighed in, President Trump weighed in, they all love her,
love her.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
She's back in the news again, this time for dating
Taylor Swift's arch nemesis, Scooter Braun. Now do you remember
who Scooter Braun is. He's a music mogul. I think
he was the guy who discovered Justin Bieber and got
him as a twelve year old from Canada and made
his career as well as many others. But he's also
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known for allegedly holding Taylor Swift's song catalog hostage. Remember,
Taylor went on a rant about what he did, and
then he sold her entire library to a private equity firm,
which prompted Taylor to just take the time to rerecord
anything and told her fans re record everything and told
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her fans to buy Taylor's version, making that music catalog
worth very little because there was a newer version that
Taylor recorded of the same songs, and her fans listened
to her and followed her and bought that. And as
you probably heard not so long ago, a few months ago,
she saved up enough money from that very profitable tour
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to actually buy her entire catalog back from private equity.
But she's still mad at Scooter Braun. We will say
that now. Sidney Sweeney was with a Chicago businessman named
Jonathan Devino. I think it's so interesting when the Internet
describes somebody as a businessman. A man is a businessman, right,
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a business man, but you can't find his connection to
any business or industry, So maybe he was just her
producing partner. They were together for like seven years. They
got engaged three years ago, and just this March finally
broke up. Now, in Sidney Sweeney's defense, I got to
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say this, I was once perpetually engaged. Literally, somebody gave
me a big old diamond ring and would not set
a date for the wedding. News to every woman out
there who might become engaged, who's thinking about getting engaged,
who thinks maybe this Christmas they'll get the diamond as
you accept it, say when I need to put this
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on the calendar, because if you could believe it, My
fiance used to joke in front of people and go, oh,
it's just a friendship ring. And I was just seething
inside and it took me a while to finally go, Okay,
he's not setting a date. I'm out of here. So
maybe that's what happened to Sydney Sweeney and Jonathan Devino.
Maybe after three years, she was just tired of waiting,
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so they broke up in March, and soon after, supposedly
she began dating Scooter Braun. The rumors on the internet
are that it was just casual. It's just a bunch
of hookups and then it started to get more serious.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, it's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I love the dates because I love to follow Hollywood
and how they market stuff. So on Tuesday, November fourth,
Sweeney she's twenty eight, Scooter Bron's forty four. So some
people are saying, oh, it's too much of an age difference.
I'll talk about other red flags besides the age difference
in a minute. They were photographs sharing a kiss as
they sat on a large rock in Central Park in
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New York City. You can google these pictures. They look
totally staged. She's got like high heels on. Nobody walks
through the park in high heels, okay, And the kiss
seems a little too perfect, and it doesn't seem like
one of those candid ones that the proparazzi shot. And
there's leaves and blurry or whatever through the trees or
the leaves. It's like very stage interesting enough. That picture
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was taken three days before the release of her new
movie that it was about the professional boxer Christy Martin.
It was called Christy. It opened on November seventh. Supposedly
it did not do well at the box office. Just
saying I should say that Scooter Braun and Sydney Sweeney
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were also at the Jeff Basso was Lauren Sanche's wedding,
and she said she didn't really know them well, but
she was invited because she wanted to pay respects to
the boss. She has a very big deal with a
new movie coming out from Amazon Studios. Now let's get
to Scooter Braun.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So is he single.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yes, he was with a woman named Yale Co. She's
a Canadian health activist and founder of the nonprofit I
can't say the word.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I can't say the word.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It starts with F, so you can imagine what the
word is, and it has four letters and the second
word is cancer. It's a nonprofit f cancer, but the
whole word. And they got together in twenty thirteen. They
got married the next year, in twenty fourteen in beautiful Whistler,
British Columbia. Then in twenty twenty one, Scooter Braun filed
for divorce, so it looks like they were married about
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seven years. The divorce was finalized in twenty twenty two.
They've got three kids together, a ten year old, an
eight year old, and a six year old. For me,
this is the bigger issue. If Sidney Sweeney is hoping
that Scooter Braun is going to go the distance with
her for the long run, she better understand that she's
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sharing him with three other people and will indeed have
this other woman in her life for a very long time.
And also, what's Sydney deciding she's into her reproductive window.
Remember the height of female fertility biologically maybe not mentally
biologically is the age of twenty and that hovers around
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there the same through the twenties. She's now twenty eight,
about to turn twenty nine, and then at thirty it
takes a dive. At thirty five falls off a cliff. Now,
there's lots of technology as women are freezing their eggs
or doing in vitro. We hear lots of stories of
this success of reproducing later in life, but it's not
the common story.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
It's not the typical story.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
So to date a guy when you're twenty nine years
old who always has three small children, Maybe she's made
the decision she doesn't want to reproduce, which is fine,
and she doesn't want to have kids, she just wants
to focus on her career. Fine, fine, fine, but these
are things we should be thinking about And the reason
why I do usually begin my show by talking about
some aspect of a celebrity relationship is because there's some
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piece of it that applies to some of us somewhere somehow.
Maybe it's that you're a trophy wife or a trophy husband,
or maybe you married one. When we come back, there's
new research to show that those roles can change places
along the course of the marriage. You're listening to the
Doctor Wendy Walls Show.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Okay, you've all heard about the divorce diet. Right, somebody
has an impending divorce, they're going through a divorce, or
they've recently divorced, and all of a sudden, they're out jogging,
they're watching what they eat, they lose weight, right, Because
you know, evolutionary psychologists would say that we become aware
that we are entering the mating marketplace, and therefore we
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make ourselves, you know, marketable in the mating marketplace. But
you know what's interesting is we all want to marry
a high value mate. We want to have the perception
that are mate is a catch. Just a little bit
better than us, and we would refer to them as
a trophy spouse, right, somebody, and there's a gen tends
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to be a gender divide. Historically, when a man says
he has a trophy wife, it mostly has to do
historically with her looks, that she's younger, more attractive, more sexy, whatever,
although now the term is moving into trophy wife meaning
a CEO wife, a hard charging CEO wife, but not
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for everybody. And then for women it's about resource potential.
I got a trophy husband because he's very wealthy. Right,
So once you close that deal, once you have that catch,
do you stay in those positions?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Let just tell you a funny story.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So a few months ago, my husband and I were
out at a cocktail party and on the way home,
my husband says to me, you know so and So's
husband took me aside and said, wow, you have the
hottest wife. By the way, across the lifespan, peers are
attracted to peers.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Mostly.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You hear about people that always go for way younger
or whatever, the cougars or the guys that like to
date the young women.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But that is actually the minority.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So even if you're of a certain age, somebody else
of a certain age can perceive your attractiveness because they're
not comparing you to a twenty five year old. I
feel I should add that when I continue what he
would say, and he said, oh, you know, you get
the hottest wife. And I've always thought she was so attractive,
and you're so lucky to see her every single day.
I only get to see her once in a while.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Ha ha. So he meant to just give.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Compliments, which is fine, that's lovely. It was nice to
hear on the way home. But Julio was saying, it's
so interesting how people, no matter what age, still look
at each other's spouses or other people out there and
kind of rate them on their value. So what happens
with a marriage where you've closed a deal with a
trophy spouse? So, as I mentioned, traditional evolutionary theories suggests
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that men tend to prioritize physical attractiveness. So what happens
if she's not so attractive? Women tend to, I mean,
after kids and whatever, you'll hear men say she fell apart.
Women prioritize resources. We don't like our husbands to suddenly
lose their job and lie on the couch as of
couch potato and lose ambition.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
That's not good.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So there's a new research out of the University of
Bath in Great Britain, and what it shows is that
the trophy spouse phenomenon persists into marriage. In other words,
husband and wives continue to trade essentially money and status
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with beauty and attractiveness throughout their relationship. So here's how
this study ran so interesting. They looked at twenty years
of data, all based in the US by the way,
it was US research into and they looked at thirty
seven hundred dual earning heterosexual couples. So these are couples,
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a lot of them, right, Almost four thousand couples, both
of them had jobs. And what it did is it
compared the wife's share of total household income get this,
with changes in her partner's body mass index and physical
activity over a twenty year period from nineteen ninety nine
to twenty nineteen. And guess what they found out. They
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found out that whenever one spouse's income rose, whether it
was a man or the woman, the other partner became
slimmer and exercise more.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
That's what you need to do to get your wife
in shape.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Dudes, go make some more money.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
What they found This is a quote from the researcher,
as incomes rise and fall, people respond not just financially
but physically, subtly, reshaping themselves to preserve what feels like
fairness or desirability within their relationship. So once it was
a gendered thing, a one sided exchange, but now they
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found that it's this mutual process any gender. It can
affect any gender. Right, they hold true for men and women.
So if a woman starts to make a lot more money,
her dude gets in better shape. Like maybe he's thinking unconsciously,
I could get dumped now. I better get ready for
the mating marketplace. Or I don't want her to dump me.
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I better make sure that I at least look good
if I'm not bringing in money, and the other way
around too. If his income rises substantially, then she gets
a boob joba, but Jaba gets in shape does whatever.
You know. There's this other research I read I find
so fascinating about this. In wealthy couples where men make
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a huge investment in their wives in terms of jewelry,
literally big flashy diamonds and jewelry, those men are less
often poached by female competitors. So let's think this out
for a minute. Men in general don't run into Tiffany's
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and go, I'd like to drop one hundred thousand dollars
to day just because I love my wife. They do
it because the wives say, I'm on a tennis bracelet,
I need this, I need that now. Again, this is
all largely unconscious, right. She just knows that her friends
have these glamorous things. She wants these glamorous things, and
many times people don't know why. Right, So she encourages
him to go out and get these very very public
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symbols of investment in their relationship. Okay, So now there
are the competitive females out there, the single women working
around the social circuit looking for their next husband. And
they see one couple where she's not flash and so
much jewelry, and there's another one that is absolutely dripping
with diamonds. She doesn't waste her time with the husband
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of that one because she's like, he's too far in,
he's too far invested. He's showing us that he ain't
going anywhere. Isn't that fascinating? So ladies, ask for the
tennis bracelet. It'll preserve your relationship. You know, what this
research really shows is something I've always said. Now, at
the beginning of a relationship, this is very common. It
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begins with attraction, lust, love, falling in love, romance, et cetera.
But at a certain point your brain get you know,
three six months into a relationship, you take a deep
breath and go, wait a minute, is this for the
long term? Let's do a cost benefit analysis here?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Should I stay? Should I not?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well, the research of this study say that this cost
benefit analysis is always on going. As one spouse's status changes,
it can totally destable lies a relationship unless the other
one responds in some way. So it's like marriage is
a repeated game in which at every stage both partners
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are saying should I say or should I go? Should
I stay married? Should I pursue divorce? Am I in
a fair equitable relationship?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Here?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I know it sounds cold. I know it sounds not romantic,
but this.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Is human mating. It can be very treacherous.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
All right, when we come back, let's talk about how
you show your love, whether you're dating somebody, whether you're
married to somebody, and answer the question what helps somebody
feel loved? More actions or words. Think about that answer
and I'll tell you when we come back. You are
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listening to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show on KIM
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you've missed of the docor Wendy wallsh Show. Just to say,
all right, So I am asked by media on a
regular basis to comment on that book about the five
Love Languae. You might have read the book, you might
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have heard about it. It is The Five Love Languages,
How to Express heartfelt commitment to your Mate. It was
published back in nineteen ninety two by a Baptist pastor,
Gary Chapman. It outlines five general ways that romantic partners
can express or experience their love. He calls them love languages.
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It's broken down in two words. Compliments, you know, words
of affirmation, spending quality time, undivided attention, right gifts, buying
things right that's a sign of love, acts of service
doing something for somebody. And physical touch. So here's the
interesting thing. None of this has been proven through research,
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even though it has like a germ of common sense
is like, there's no evidence to support most of the
core claims in the Five Love Languages. I like to
read real studies done by real researchers at universities. But
you know what, if it's a framework that works for
you and it makes sense to you. What I don't
like is when people say, you know, my love language
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is words of affirmation, but my partner's love language is
acts of service. I don't care that he builds something
for me. I need him to tell me he loves me,
because that's my love language. Well, okay, there you are,
now trying to change somebody else or their experience. Love
dies when we spend our time trying to change somebody else.
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The best way we can move through life, in our friendships,
with our family, with our lovers is to change our
reactions to them. Find ways to either tolerate, put up with,
accept them, or move away or do something different, just
say it. However, I did find a study that does
have empirical evidence. It doesn't look at the five love languages.
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It just looks at actions versus words. Right now, you
probably heard all the cliches that women are easily wooed
by sweet talk. Actually that's not true. We see through
that nonsense real quick, you guys. A friend of mine
who I'm coaching a little bit on her dating app,
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she sends me a screenshot sweet guy, my heart broke
for him, where he wrote her this little blurb of
love like, oh, you're so beautiful whatever, and my name
is whatever he said his first name, but you can
call me Mia Moore And I'm like, she goes cringey, right,
I'm like, yes, Cringey, delete him. Like, guys, this is
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a stranger you're talking to on an app. You're gonna
get that personal and show that much love and attention.
I mean, she could have been a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
There aren't many women serial killers. So just saying women
don't actually fall for sweet talk, right, Women actually are
more should be analyzing at the beginning of relationship and
if he's giving too much too soon with the words,
it's not going to work. Instead, what the research found
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is that actions build trust. Women see actions as sacrifice.
So if a man comes over and, you know, fixes
a broken gas line of stereo in your car, whether
he comes I had a guy show up once when
I was young and single and helped me refinish entire
hardwood floors. I rented the stuff from the sander from
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home depot and we just did it. And I was like, oh,
that's cool. Right, So guys, just to say here's what
you want to do at the early stages of dating
to impress a woman a keep your promises. Don't just
say hey, I'm gonna introduce you to that business connection
that could help with your business, and then that's just
words and it doesn't happen. Do something, do something. So
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if you are reliable, that's super romantic. Right. Be consistent,
show up consistency, whether it's the daily text, the daily
phone call, whether it's the twice weekly date. Just be
consistent and be consistent in doing something kind for her,
not in a random way, but taking care of an
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errand or just being present in some way. Right, be
consistent with your gestures. I'm so far down the road
in my own relationship, but I notice we do have
a lot of consistency, and when we're not consistent, it
is the way of communicating that something's wrong, not in
the relationship but with the partner. Right. So I generally
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cook because I enjoy cooking. Julio generally does the dishes because.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I do it wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Apparently he prefers to do things his way. Okay, fine,
So when I stay in bed too late on a
Sunday and I don't get up and make breakfast, he
knows like something's up. She got a headache, something's happening.
He doesn't come and say where's breakfast? He'll say are
you okay? Like we commune cap through whenever inconsistency happens,
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because we kind of have our little thing. So if
you're just dating somebody, though, I want you to think
of your actions as building of.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Love, layers of love.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Right, So if you just use a bunch of romantic words,
or even just give flowers and chocolate and stupidness, it's
not the same as sacrificing. So that's how women fall
in love. On the male side, men love the words.
It's interesting because I would have thought that their action oriented.
They would like to see a woman's sacrifice and want
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to see some action.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Well they do. They want to see action in the bedroom.
Of course. Men love sex.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Don't even get all the hairs up in your back
or your panties in a bunch. Men like sex more
than women do on average. Yes, there's few high testosterone
women who love sex more than men, and some the
same as men, but that's not typical. Typical is men
want more sex, so there's a action men like. But
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actually men like to hear the words I love you, right,
and they will respond, of course to action. But what
they want more than anything in those words is sincerity.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
They want verbal affection and they want sexual desire, but
they want it to be warm and sincere, so they
can even sense if it's the fake I love you,
I love yous, Right, So you have to really love
starts inside yourself when you're feeling really appreciative and you
have gratitude to your partner, and then when you express
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it verbally, it is real and it is sincere. So guys,
do something for women. Women don't be afraid to say
I love you, and stop complaining that they don't say
it so much. The dude just did so much for you, right,
look for what he does. It's very important, all right.
When we come back, I want to begin a conversation
about women's health, women's mental health, specifically women and dementia.
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More women come down with dementia, any form of dementia,
primarily Alzheimer's, than any other form than men, of course,
and let's.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Talk about why.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Believe it or not, it's not all biological. There's some
stuff that goes down in our lifetime that can make
us more susceptible to dementia. And then I have a
very special guest coming on who knows it more closely
than you can imagine.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
You're listening to doctor Wendy Walsh on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I want to talk about a serious subject, women and dementia.
Besides being obsessed with the science of relationships, I am
also a health psychology professor and I get disturbed when
I see a big gender difference in any kind of illness,
and I talk more about it. There's often like a
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misunderstanding about the difference between dementia and Alzheimer's, So let
me just explain. So, dementia basically is an umbrella term.
It's not the disease itself, right, Like if you say
to somebody, I have a fever, it could mean all
kinds of diseases, right, So it tends to Dementia describes
a group of symptoms. Now, those symptoms tend to affect memory,
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psychological reasoning, language ability, and daily functioning. So there are
many conditions that cause dementia, Alzheimer's being one of the
most common, vascular dementia, lowis body dementia, fronto temporal lobe dementia,
and dementia from say Parkin's disease or.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
A head entry.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Okay, what we commonly, what is most common to hear
about is Alzheimer's, and Alzheimer's is a specific disease. It's
the most common kind of dementia. Up to eighty percent
of cases or Alzheimer's. So you're gonna hear me, maybe
use the terms interchangeably, because I don't want us to
forget about all the other diseases that can cause dementia,
but you know, almost eighty percent are Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's is
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caused by abnormal protein build ups in the brain. They're
called amyloid plaques or Tao tangles, and Alzheimer's works like this.
It progresses in stages, beginning with mild memory loss. Now
it's also normal for people when they get into their
fifties and sixties to just you know what, our hard
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drive is so darnfull.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
It is just full.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
We get I was out to dinner with some people
the other night and they were talking about movies. They
couldn't remember the name of the movie, they couldn't remember
the actors in the movie, but they can remember the plot, right,
They got the meaning. And as we get older, While
we may lose some processing speed, we may lose some
short term memory, we gain something else that's really important
to in it intelligence, and that is a crystallized intelligence.
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You might call it wisdom. Right. We have this ability
because of our huge, full hard drive full of life
experiences to when we are presented with a problem. This
is why young people listen to ask an older person
when you have a problem, is that we can go
through our library of experiences in a nanosecond and say,
do this, like, we know how to take the short
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cut to survival, the short cut to things, because we've
lived it, because we've had the experience. And that's why
older people get so frustrated by young people who are
just like, why are they doing that? I told them
not to do it that way. Well, I guess they're
going to have to learn, right, that's what we say, right,
But let's get back to Alzheimer's. So, so, what I'm
basically trying to say is if you can't remember the
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name of an actor in a movie, or the name
of the movie, or even the name of the book
you just read, it's okay. This is very very normal.
That's just a full hard drive mild memory loss is
starting to like really forget not just names but faces
and events, episodic events, right, and it can lead to Alzheimer's,
severe cognitive impairment. The sad news is it is not reversible.
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There are some treatments that can slow the symptoms, but
there's nothing that we know at this point that can
cure the disease. And here's the big news. Two out
of every three people with Alzheimer's are women. Now, the
greatest risk factor is simply old age and being a woman. Right,
So let's talk about sex and gender differences. In some ways,
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the study of gender and sex differences in Alzheimer's has
been ignored. In fact, there is a famous neuroscientist, the
director of the Cornell Wheel Women's Brain Initiative in New
York City, who basically says, we owe women a century
of research. We got to catch up on this because
here's what's interesting. Women actually get when they do get Alzheimer's.
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They get it later in life than men do, but
when they get at it, it progresses way faster. So
what happens is mentally healthy women tend to be pretty
resilient right as their brains start to age. In general, sorry, guys,
women have better memories. Oh you know that because we
remembered what happened last weekend. We reminded you about that
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thing you did five years ago. We do not forget.
We're like an elephant. We do not forget. Women have
better memories. We have better verbal skills and episodic memories.
Remember when you looked at that woman twenty five years
ago and now you're still looking at it. Okay, we
remember the episode. We can explain it verbally. We can
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do so much better than men. I can't tell you
how many times my husband says, how did you remember that?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
How do you know that? I'm like, well, we were there,
you don't remember.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
So this is true throughout life and even in very
old old age. Men's brains sorry, dudes, biologically age more
rapidly than women brains. However, here's the big butt. After
an Alzheimer's diagnosis, the tables completely turn. So compared with
men men with Alzheimer's, women with the disease experience more
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rapid cognitive decline. They tend to lose their independence earlier.
They spend more time with a greater level of disability. Now,
why why is this? We're trying to figure it out. Obviously,
more research needs to be done. It's partly biological and
partly social. So let's talk about biology.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
First.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I mentioned these proteins that build up in the brains.
It is said that because women's brains potentially have different
bridging regions, we will connect that tissue faster and clusing.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
The negative tissue.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Right, we'll accumulate more amyloid and TAO for longer, but
we don't show the symptoms till later. So in other words,
maybe it's there, but we're not showing the symptoms. There's
also research into loss of estrogen. So what happens to
the brain is when it's super hungry for estrogen. As
it declines, it becomes more and more scarce. Right, the
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brain makes more receptors because it's trying to catch what
little estrogen it can, and those receptors might accidentally attract
those proteins that cause Alzheimer's, right, So they're researching that.
Now let's talk about the social things. So women are
treated differently medically. In many cases, men receive better medical care.
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For example, hate to say this. Women go in with
memory loss and brain fog and this and that, and
they're told oh, it's menopause, takes some antipsychotics, takes some antidepressants, right,
So we need to develop more sex specific tests because
women are still talking and they have better memory, so
you may not be able to catch it earlier unless
we have a different kind of test. But here's where
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the research gets really interesting. So education around the world.
Women tend to be less likely to be educated to
a higher level here in America, but around the world.
So one study, a meta analysis of fifteen other studies,
found that higher educational attainment is a protective against the
risk of dementia.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Huh. Another study found that.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
People with less education has significantly higher risk of dementia.
It's like your brain is a muscle, Use it or
you lose it.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Caregiving women in caregiving roles and women are more likely
to be the caregivers in their family because they're caring
for those with dementia as well. They have higher levels
of stress and they tend to neglect their own health needs,
so they have a higher risk of dementia because of it.
There's also researchers so that women who worked early in
life and in midlife have lower rates of Alzheimer's right,
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and specifically in stimulating jobs. There was one study I
found that said people who are in cognitively stimulating jobs,
not where you press a lever all day long, but
where you actually have to think and problem solve, they
had a lower risk of developing dementia. In fact, one
Norwegian study found that working a mentally demanding job in
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midlife cut dementia risk by forty percent compared with those
doing the routines. Then there's the other lifestyle stuff, right,
poor sleep, stress, depression, alcoholism. And here's the really interesting
one for me. Studies of older couples have found that
people in same sex relationships have a risk of cognitive
impairment that is nearly eighty percent higher than for people
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in mixed sex relationships. Well, same sex couples are more
likely to experience depression, which is a risk factor for
cognitive impairment. People who don't conform to social norms might
have had traumatic experience which in their life, which increase risk.
But here's what I want you to understand. There has
been a flurry of executive orders issued this year and
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the US National Science Foundation has been taking away research
grants if the grands have words implying that they might
not comply with the Trump's directives to terminate funding for
research on women and minoritized groups. Apparently we'll all get
lumped together in d EI. So the guy who was studying,
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Jason Flatt is his name. He's a public health researcher
at the University of Nevada. He's been mounting these major
studies to try to figure out we're same sex and
mixed sex relationships, what are the experiences that create more
Alzheims than one or the other. Hus funding was canceled, gone, gone,
and that means funding for women, because this tells us
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about women as well. Sorry to hear this, but anyway,
keep working, keep getting your girls educated.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
All good.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Hey, when we come back, I've got a very special
guest who's on a personal mission to prevent dementia and
Alzheimer's after the loss of both her mother and grandmother
to the disease.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show on KFI
AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. My
next guest knows dementia and Alzheimer's very well. After the
loss of her both her mother and her grandmother to
the disease, she has made it a mission to educate
women and to do whatever she can to help prevent
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Alzheimer's and women. Her name is Helen Christini. Did I
say it right, Helen Christni?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
It's a very romantic last name. I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
And you are the co creator of a website called
Make Time for Wellness. Before we get there, let's talk
about your own experience. Your mom and grandmother died of
fronto temporal lobe dementia. Can you tell me about that?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
So my mother in law died from central compol dementia
and then I also lost my grandmother to dementia. So
I've had my personal experience with two very loved women
in my family, and so that's one of the reasons
I'm I'm still personally interested in this.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
And so what are you doing to make it? First
of all, may I ask how old you are?
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Sure? I'm fifty five years old.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Are you terrified?
Speaker 3 (39:25):
And I'm completely terrified, But I think also I'm also
very empowered because there's things that women can do to
not be that one in five of women who who
are at risk.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
For Alzheimer's And what are the things.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
So you know, at make how long? As? You really
love to empower women with the five pillars of brain
health and there's things that we can do every day
to put our brains first, and you know, at makes
how long? At? We just really want to talk to
women about this one side statistics because I didn't know
that one in five women were at risk it all
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for Alzheimer's compared to one in ten men. And when
we learn that statistic, it was really staggering. So we
really talked about these pillars of brain health. And the
first one is nutrition and supplementation. Just making sure that
you're eating a very kind of grain first, you know,
high and healthy fat diet and making sure you get
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your greens and fibers every single day.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
And how that protein.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Do our brains need more protein than we think?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Absolutely? I mean, as we know as women right now,
the protein conversation is very very high, and especially in midnight,
mid life, it's very important that women really start to
prioritize their their protein.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Okay, So making sure we get all those fresh fruits
and vegetables every day, taking all the supplements so that
we're not having our brain deprived of anything.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
That's pillar one. What's next, right?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
And then also you know, just stress and emotional regulation.
You know, as women, we are taking care of everyone
and everything, and the last person that we're making time
for is ourselves. So really making sure that you're doing
stress management, making sure you're making the time to wind down,
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take care of yourself, go for a walk, and just
kind of just unplugged is so important for women because
we're always in fight and flight in a very high
cortival state, and so just managing our stress is the
next pillar.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
And you know, women actually have a secret defense in
stress coping skills. Those researchers at UCLA discovered that women
tend and befriend, in other words, reaching out for social support.
When we call a girlfriend and just get everything off
our chest, it looks like nothing, it looks like gossip,
but it's actually lowering cortiso levels. So the more you
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get together with other women for social support, the lower
your stress levels will be.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
So I love that one. Okay, what's the third?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yeah, and the third is what you were just talking about.
It was it's connection. So connection is so important. Making
sure that you're reaching out, whether it's through text messages,
talking to someone on the phone, making plans to connect
with people, making sure that you're not isolated is so
super important. So connection and key, and today it's getting
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harder and harder to connect personally, so I think really
making that a priority, taking tenant today to reach out
to people, put plans on the schedule very important.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, and say yes to those invitations.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
You know, last night I went to an early cocktail party,
like sort of launch of the holiday season, pre Thanksgiving cocktail.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Party, and I was like, we have to go out.
It's kind of rainy. I don't really want to go out.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
I went and I had the best time, and I
met so many new people and it was so much fun.
So you know, you got to say yes, get out
of the house. Got to do that all right. Number four, Helen,
what do we got?
Speaker 3 (43:10):
All right? Number four is absolutely prioritizing your sleep. So
this is something that is so important. And your brain
actually kind of recharges when we're sleeping, and so making
sure that your prioritizing your sleep is so important. I'm
a big fan of the or ring and monitoring your
sleep and really making sure you're setting yourself up for
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a good night sleep every single night of you.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
And as we get older, why is it sleep becomes
so hard and it's so precious to get. And it's
not just that we're busy and worried and stressful. There's
something hormonally that goes on with women.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
So I'm a big fan of melatonin.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I'm a fan of magnesium low or no alcohol, ladies.
Alcohol takes you down, but then it brings you up again.
I know, I see you on Facebook at three am.
I know you're there. And what's the final one?
Speaker 3 (44:07):
And the final one is absolutely movement. And this is
something that I think people really they go, you know,
it becomes overwhelming to try and get out there and
move every day and exercise. But you know, studies show
that if you just get thirty eight hundred steps today,
you can reduce your risk of Ultimmer's by twenty five
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percent and that is really measurable. So I think that
everyone's trying to get their ten thousand steps, you know,
and overcompensate, overdo it. If that's too much, just start
with like a couple walks around the block and start
small build from there. But just something as simple as
thirty eight hundred steps to that day can really make
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a difference in your brand house.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
You know. One of the tricks I do, by the way,
I went on a big hike with my husband yesterday
and we did twelve thousand steps, so I'm like, I
feel it today and it was.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Quite steep as well.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
But one of my tricks is, I think I read
it at the New York Times, is I when I
have to have a computer day where I'm teaching, grading,
answering emails, is I set a little timer on my
Apple Watch, and every forty five minutes it'll ping, And
all I do is get up and do twenty squats.
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Get my prime movers moving.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
It takes a second. You do twenty swats, sit back
down again, and your brain flow. You get more brain
blood float to your brain and use all the prime movers.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
So that's my trick. But that's that's really good advice.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Now tell me about Make Time Wellness and how can
it help people get better?
Speaker 3 (45:40):
So at Maketime Wellness, we our mission is get the
world talking seriously about women's brain health. And we've created
a line of kind of all in one supplements that
really are just focused on brain health and at Maytime
we say, if you put your brain health first, everything
else falls into place. So you know, we have a
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podcast that Made Time and we're really out there just
talking to women, raising awareness about this very important conversation.
And brain health is a mid life you know, something
that we all really need to focus on now because
what we do today can really really help us out.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Come on, Oh, Helen is so important, so people can
go to is it make Timewellness dot com? That's right,
Make Time Wellness, Helen Christni. I'm sorry for your losses,
but I'm grateful that these experiences have really kind of
put you on a mission and we all need to
take care of our brain. Hell, thanks for being with
us today.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Thank you so much for having me on Wendy. I
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
And that brings the end the close of the Doctor
Wendy Welsh Show tonight. I want to remind everybody you
can always follow me on my social media. The handle
is at doctor Wendy Walsh and I'm going to start
to talk about it already. On Thanksgiving weekend, I have
a special that Sunday Night Extended Versions, So if you're
saying why are you ending so early? It's because we
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have some other important content coming. But on November thirtieth,
I think I'm doing three and a half or four hours,
and I have a full hour with the director of
the famed Kinsey Institute at Indiana University, and he is
going to talk about dating, mating, relating, and what the
data and research really tells us about our love lives.
Thanks for being with us. You've been listening to doctor
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