The "Safety Net for All Workers" Act would provide unemployed illegal immigrants $300 per week paid by state funds; Californians are saying it "makes no sense." A sorority is suing their University over having to admit a Trans woman who "got aroused in their company." Dr. Jim Keany, Co-Director of the ER at Mission Hospital in Mission Viejo joins the show for some Medical News! Then, Mo Kelly joins the show for another edition of Musins with Mo! He and BIll talk about how 'the show must go on,' as the Tony Awards Broadcast has been given the green light to proceed after the striking Writers' Union agrees to allow it. And The Bachelor: Senior Citizen is finally airing this Fall!
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You're listenings KFI AM six forty Thebill handles show on demand on the iHeartRadio
app K five AM six forty handlehere Thursday morning, May eighteenth, we
continue with the show I'm going ontoday too. The President is in Japan
at Hiroshima or Hiroshima. I don'tknow how it's pronounced, and that's what's
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the general pronunciation. I've heard both, but Hiroshima. Yeah, yeah,
Hiroshima, Hiroshima exactly, as ifI don't mispronounce words on the show,
and Biden talking about the debt sealingnegotiations, because that's all anybody is Certainly
American reporters are asking him, andhe said we will not default a given
solids, and Kevin McCarthy says thesame thing, except they can't come to
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terms. There is a bill thathas been introduced, s B two two
seven, that's a Senate bill,and it's called the Safety Net for All
Workers at and let me tell youit has blown up. California State Senator
Brian Jones, who happens to bea Republican, went on Fox and Friends
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really to discuss the proposal. Becausethis is as a title forty two ends
and there are a whole lot ofCalifornians that are going whoa, whoa,
whoa. Wait a minute, becausethis is a state proposal that would give
weekly checks to illegal immigrants if theystop working or laid off or whatever.
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And we're now talking about this Migrantssurgis coming as a result of the ending
of Title forty two. So nowyou have the introduction of this bill saying
illegal immigrants who are no longer workingget three hundred bucks a week up to
twenty weeks, basically unemployment. Andas you can imagine, there's a huge
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outrage Tahagada illegal immigrants get money fromUS. But let me ask you a
question, and that is and here'sthe argument why this actually makes sense,
because these illegal immigrants were working,whether illegal or not, but they were
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working, and they're release working underthe legal auspices, and they paid payroll
taxes, they paid into the state'sunemployment insurance system. So let me ask
you the issue. I'm going tonow separate the two issues because I think
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they are mutually exclusive. One is, first of all, the employment of
an illegal alien or illegal immigrant,that we blame the employer, because if
you're starving, if you've come overinto the United States. No one comes
over illegally because hey, you wakeup in the morning, you leave your
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great job in Venezuela, and you'regoing to decide to come to the United
States. Nobody does that. You'retalking about people that are desperate coming over
to give their kids a chance sothey can eat. So you have to
understand. And it takes very veryfew people or very few people who don't
understand the motivation. So now they'renot allowed to work. But you've got
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an employer that goes, oh,this is great, I can get someone
from real cheap money, and hehires that person that's illegal. It's illegal
for the employer to hire that illegalimmigrant, and there is a ten thousand
dollars fine attached to each hiring.So let's say you have fifty if you
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got a good sized company, orlet's say you have ten illegal immigrants you
that are working for you, Well, that's ten times ten thousand, that's
one hundred thousand dollars fine. Youknow what I mean. People have actually
been tagged with the ten thousand dollarsfine, zero zero. It's never enforced.
What they the immigration people do isjust pick up those people. They
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pick up the employees and then boomthey deport them and thank you very much.
So I'll tell you what the realcrime is here. The real crime
is not giving them unemployment insurance becausefrankly, they've paid into it. You
know, it's real money that we'vetaken from them. The crime is the
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employment of these people, and especiallythe well you have to e verify,
for example, and I've hired people, you know, I've been a small
business person my whole life. You'veheard that before. I e verify everybody.
Now. A lot of it isbecause I'm you know, considered a
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public figure. I mean, veryvery low on the totem scale of public
figures. I get that. Buthiring an illegal immigrant, that's comes the
story Handel has an illegal immigrant athome. Well, no, I don't
why because I'm following the law andI e verify everybody that comes in.
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Are you here legally? Do youhave the proper papers? And it's the
employers who should get nailed. Iam not going to nail someone who all
he or she wants to do isfeed their family. I just won't do
that. I look, now,does that mean I am pro immigration that
the border should be open? Absolutelynot. We have to have some kind
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of border protection, some kind ofcontrol. And the problem is that is
something that is really complicated stuff,and what we tend to do is get
very simplistic about it. You've gotthe pro activist group, We should just
open up the borders for everybody,open arms. Look at what's at the
bottom of the poem, at thebottom of the statue of liberty. Emma,
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Emma Lazarus road. It give methe eretched, your poor, the
old masses. Okay, thank you. That's it. This is what America's
about. Then you have the otherside that says we need a border fence,
We've got to do everything we canto keep out illegal immigrants, and
just we don't want them in.I mean, i've heard not even put
in the asylum program. And rightnow anybody who comes to the border walks
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across turn themselves into border control andsays I want asylum, and there's any
ability you're coming from Venezuela, you'rea victim of narco traffic. Conte's okay.
They have to hear the immigration judgehas to hear the case, and
some are and the release in theUnited States, And on top of that,
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they don't have a hearing for fiveyears because they're so baclogged. What
are they going to do. They'regonna work, of course they're gonna work.
And do they come up with allkinds of fraudulent documentation? Of course
they do. Do you stop that? Yeah, you can do the verification,
you can follow the law. Imean it's a lot more complicated than
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we are even beginning to consider.So you can hear a lot about SP
two two seven. Uh, theSafety Net for All Workers Act. By
the way, the Board of Supervisorsin at in LA, the county supervisors
voted unanimously to back this bill.They don't have any jurisdictions because the state
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bill, but put it on therecord. All five of us are in
favor of SP two two seven.Okay, there's the story here. A
lawsuit. Let's start with a lawsuit. And this is a lawsuit that was
filed against a university, University ofWyoming, and it's uh seven members of
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Kappa Kappa Gamba. I've always wonderedabout those, uh you know the names
of those sororities Greek, the Greeksororities. And it has to do with
the fact that the university of Wyomingforced the sorority to allow in Artemis Langford.
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Artemis Langford is six foot two,very masculine, who is or identifies
herself as a woman, and shebasically is in the areas where women hang
out, they go naked, theygo into the girls bathrooms, the women's
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bathrooms, and there's Artemis walking aroundclose off and Artemis, by the way,
still has her junk and at onepoint walks around with an erection,
which is very disquieting for a lotof those girls that were in the sorority.
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And by the way, don't nailme for using the word girls or
young women. And so yeah,here's the lawsuit that's being filed, and
therein lies all of the issues thatwe've been talking about, and that is
men who translate or trans into women, women who trans into men. And
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one of the big issues of sports. One of the huge issues is sports
in which is it fair? Isit not? Because the physical biology,
the basic framework of a female ora male doesn't change. The muscle mass,
I believe when we've talked to JimKeeney, coming up at seven thirty
at the bottom of the hour doesn'tchange, and so is there an advantage,
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and there's huge controversy about that thattrans men into women should not compete
in women's sports because of the outrightadvantage. Lawsuits have been filed on that
one too. Have you ever hearda lawsuit where a woman becomes a man
and goes into a sport. I'mheard of that and competes. I have
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not heard of that because I don'tthink there's much an advantage of going from
female to male in the world ofsports. And this is happening all over
the country. In Wisconsin, thedeputy council at the Wisconsin Institute for Law
and Liberty talked about a locker roomincident at a high school in which a
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transgender student exposed male genitalia to fourfemale students and allegedly got into the showers
with four freshmen girls and exposed malegenitalia to them at an area high school.
I have to tell you those don'tbother me because those are very few
and far between. It's you cancount those literally on one hand in terms
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of this, and of course itbecomes a big national story and I just
don't buy those. It happens sorarely, but the issue and it's a
bigger social issue, and that isthe issue of when is a male a
female and when does someone should becalled what their identities? It's gender identity,
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And of course you've got liberal folkssaying, hey, it's whatever they
want to be called. They shouldbe allowed to be called whatever they're called,
and then others are saying, no, no, it's what you were
born with. I mean, evento the point where if you were born
a male, you're a male eventhough you have no male parts. You
take the female hormone and you're aboutas female as a lot of other females.
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Okay, that's going too far.As always, you know, you
look at both sides and we're sopolarized on every issue. I mean,
I can give you literally, Icould throw anything out at you and there'll
be people screaming back and forth.But I think there's a legitimate issue,
and that is how involved and howdoes society react to the trans issue.
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Now. I think you can beyou should be called whatever the hell you
want to be called. I don'thave a problem if you want to call
yourself a female, go ahead.I was just talking to Anne when Cassius
Clay became Muhammed Ali and Howard Cosell, who was probably the premier sportscaster,
got himself into a lot of trouble, a lot of controversy because he was
the first one that accepted that CassiusClay became Muhammed Ali goes, he can
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call him something that anything he wants. It's his name. You can change
your name, change your last name, change your first name. Decide that
you're a woman. Okay, you'rea woman. You don't look like a
woman, but you're a woman.But when it comes to how it deals
with other people, for example,in the sorority, for example, in
this sports world, that's a differentissue, and that is fairly new for
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us in terms of just the entireissue of transing. And then the last
story about this, I want topoint out Caitlin Jenner, a Fox News
contributor, did not like this anduh she uh talks about the lawsuit against
the university Kappa Kappa Gamma members.She is totally on their side, and
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she says, even though she's atrans, she said, no, you
can't do this. I'm in favorof what the girls in story are doing.
So that one, you don't findmany true conservative trans people. You
just don't oh, in this case, you do. It's now time to
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talk to doctor Jem. Jim Jem, doctor Jim McKinney. I got the
two confused medical dude. Thank himin the morning. Good morning, mill.
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Oh. We've got a lot totalk about, and I'm hoping that
we're gonna be able to cover mostof it. All Right, big story
that broke. There's a lawsuit Universityof Wisconsin in which there was a transgender
male and the university said you haveto let him in or you have to
let her in. Can't discriminate,And six members of that sorority are saying
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no. Filed the lawsuit saying,hey, he's got he They said,
he even though he considers himself awoman, and I think hormone therapy has
taken place, but still has apenis and is walking around with a penis
in the sorority, and even they'rearguing at one point he became erect.
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I think I can use that wordon the radio. There are a lot
of other words, but I'm notgoing to use him. Now, let
me ask, is there a medicalpoint at which, through a transit which
someone is or is considered female whowas a male? I think that's more
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of a philosophical and ethical question thana than a medical one, right,
I mean the bottom line is youcan't change your chromosomes, but you can
change your And we've given people theability to change their exterior experience, their
exterior you know, appearance, anda lot of their hormonal uh, you
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know, things going on. We'vegiven them the ability to change how they
identify through certain you know, uhwhere you would register for things now are
more inclusive. But medically, isthere a crossover point? Not really?
Yeah, I know, I knowI threw something at you that is not
particularly a medical issue. You're right, it's more philosophical. But I there's
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a bunch of questions regarding at Let'ssay someone comes in who is trance and
yeah, it's just and still hasmale parts, but has boobs and is
obviously on hormones. Medically, howdo you refer to that person in the
chart? Is it a he?Is it a sheat? Yeah? No,
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I mean honestly, it's done differentlyin different places. You know,
if somebody identifies as a heat,then I put them in their chart as
a heat and because that's how theywant to be referred with a lot of
times. Now they're they're building inthe ability in the charting to put your
identity at birth and your current identityso that at least we can be clear
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as to what's what. Because you'reright, I mean, it's not a
matter of discrimination. When you're tryingto figure out whether a former male who's
had a surgery, including maybe asurgery where they've created female parts, you
know that you're who do you callto operate on that? We have had
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that problem because you know, anob G I N says like, I
only operate on uh, you know, female body parts that we're there at
birth. I don't know how tooperate on these new parts. And the
adult surgeon says, well, thisis a you know, a kinnecological problem,
and I don't have training on howto manage a kysychological problem. So
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it does result in complexity. Yeah, and I mean to your point,
I mean, an andrologist wouldn't touchfemale parts and an obgyn wouldn't get close
to a male. And when youhave okay, now what do we do?
And that I never even thought ofthat one. So when someone takes
hormones and you were talking about youcan change, um, your hormonal levels,
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certainly, but you can't change chromosomesand body configuration and the hair and
boobs. How permanent is that ordo you constantly have you keep keep on
going? Is there a point whereyou basically reach the other sex? You
know, Bill, I don't knowhow far I've gone down that road to
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really get into all that. You'reright, I mean, it's it's these
are good questions. But I mean, obviously, when you make hormonal changes,
you are going to create hair growth, you know, when when you
start taking testoster and you're going tocreate hair growth that wasn't there before.
You may even create male pattern baldnessin a female. So there is a
time where you're going to you know, create an external appearance that matches uh,
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someone's internal you know, orientation ordesires. And that's the whole point.
And obviously, to some extent itprovides a level of satisfaction where the
person feels that it was worth theeffort in trouble. And I mean,
at least the people I've talked toare oftentimes happy with the outcome, So
it does seem to be working.Yeah, And I'm sorry to put you
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in this position, because you're right, it is a very philosophical question,
probably more so than medical. ButI think what you've come up with and
the way you describe it, thatis the real question, the controversy that
we're in the middle of trying tofigure all this out, and there may
be no way to figure it outthat work. For example, a former
male who becomes female will not startto menstrate, you know, So that's
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kind of what I'm thinking when youask me the question is at what point
do they you know, have afemale body and then they won't menstrate,
So you know, that's kind ofoff the table. You know, we're
hearing more and more and we andyou and I have touched on this,
and that is the drug shortages.How big, what kind of drugs or
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which ones are in short supply?And well you know how Dane yours is
this if it is? Yeah,I mean it's just like a lot of
other supply chain issues. Is abig problem, um, and then it's
affecting everything across It's almost every specialty. So the concerning ones of course,
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or when you hear cancer patients theycan't get their chemotherapy drugs, you know,
when they're when they're five weeks inon a six week course and can't
get the sixth week of their drug. But we've had we've had shortages of
sailing. How do you get shortof sailing? I mean, salt is
one of the most common elements onthe planet. We've been short of every
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cardiac drugs, cancer drugs, diabetesdrugs, all of them. We hear
excuses and to me, they alljust sounding excuses like, oh, you
know, these these people using acancer or a diabetes drug to lose weight
are impacting you know, the abilityto find a certain drug. Well that's
um. That may be true forone small area at one small time,
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but these those blockbuster drugs that endup that are they're very expensive and they
can be used for lifestyle drugs.Those manufacturers are cranking that up and you
know, it's basically a money print, and they're just cranking the crank on
the money print as fast as theycan. Yeah. But and here's my
question. If these drugs, ifyou're talking about life saving drugs, and
you're talking about expensive drugs, whyin God's name wouldn't they go balls to
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the wall and get those drugs outthere anyway they could if nothing else for
financial reasons. So you know,there's there's also there's a lot of middlemen
here, right, So there's there'sfour major consolidators that consolidate the you know,
the purchasing of drugs and then movementto all the big pharmacies and as
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well as you know, there's there'sconsolidators for hospitals that buy all these drugs.
They try. The goal and thetheory initially was that they smooth out
the supply chain, and maybe theyhave been smoothing it out and masking this
problem for you I don't know,or maybe in some way what they're doing
is creating part of the problem becausethey do make massive profits from this type
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of behavior. So, you know, this is why the government is putting
in place some type of review tokind of get a handle on where is
the problem. What is the problem. It's so multifactorial that it's very hard
to just put your finger on onepart of the problem. You know,
we have generic companies who their marginsare smaller, they're not as motivated to
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take the risk of producing a lotof the medicine that may not get purchased,
especially if it has an expiration date. They may be made in places
where labor is cheaper, and wherequality controls may not be as tight,
and so all of a sudden you'vegot or it just may be more difficult
in that environment to maintain quality controls, say where electricity isn't as consistent,
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or where water supply can be affected. So suddenly you end up with a
plant that's producing a majority of adrug and now it's shut down because of
quality issues. So there's just it'sa worldwide distribution chain and it has problems
that impacts all different things all overthe world. All right, you had
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said that every single specialty has beeneffected. So let me get personal.
What drugs do you would you givethat you do give that you're short of?
And what do you do in termsof alternatives if you have any pain
medication, sedatives for surgery or forprocedures. We've been short cardiac drugs,
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we've been short antibiotics. So absolutelywe can almost always find a suitable alternative.
The problems arise when people are allergicto the alternatives. You and you
you know, all you have isthe one that maybe they're allergic to.
It Just it's a constant battle.Our supply chain department is constantly looking for
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places to buy it. There arethere's other companies that have sprung up that
have warehouses where they warehouse drugs thatthey know go into short supply, and
then once they go in short supply, they kind of guage the market and
they charge ten, fifteen, twentytimes the going rate for that drug because
they know they're the only one thathas a supply. So I mean,
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is that a good thing because youdo have these people that are storing it
up for a rainy day basically,or is it a bad thing because they're
just standing by waiting to be profiteers. I don't know how you judge that,
right, It's really such a complexproblem. It's very hard to get
your head around. Well, you'vejust made an argument for the governmental control
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of all this, and in certainjurisdictions. I think the government, I
forgot where is doing is actually buildingits own plant to produce one of their
drugs. I remember reading about that. So I mean craziness when you think
about Well, let me give youan example that I've gone through, and
that is surgery. I go throughsurgery and I hurt like hell, and
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I'm going to hurt for weeks probably, And so normally what I used to
get is, of course opiates.Here, congratulations, have some opiates.
Here's two weeks worth, three weeksworth. It's after four days. Now
take some hypoprofen. I mean,how do people function that way? Yeah,
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well, I think we do that. You may also be impacted by
the fact that we are recognizing thatwe probably do over prescribe and for opiates,
and the number one source for redirectedopiates is leftovers from prior procedures.
So absolutely, for opiates we've beendefinitely you know, I think four days
as the new kind of standard ofcare, and you know, if you
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need more, you can talk toyour doctor type of thing. Because there's
a lot of people who go throughsurgeries and never take a single pain pill
for whatever reason, and now theyhave a two week supply of opiates that
are floating out there, you know, and oftentimes get redirected. Have we
gone too far in terms of painmedication? I know it was Lucy Goosey
for many, many years, andthen again three days of opiates, which
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is kind of crazy. I mean, it makes no sense. I remember
when I had my back surgery.I mean I hurt for a couple of
weeks then, I mean I wasscreaming in pain, all right, And
yeah, I mean it's for somepatients we've gone too far. For other
patients, you know, they're they'regetting too much still, So it's still
just no one size fits all approachdoesn't really work. But you know,
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we do know that overall we wereprescribing too many opiates. I mean that
that part is very clear. Theevidence is strong that that we were prescribing
too many opiates and were and soare there going to be people in that
mix that needed more and didn't getwhat they needed. Absolutely, there's no
question about that as well, right, Joe, it's kind of both Thanks
Jim, always appreciated. I havea good one. See how many people
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we're gonna see die today? Ialways do that to you, Jim.
Thank you. I want to spenda little bit of time talking about politics,
but it wasn't gonna be fun.This is not your traditional political left
right polarization, etc. Maybe atouch, but a lot of history here
I want to share with you andwhich way we can go, and we
haven't done this in a very verylong time. I'm gonna bring you back
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to nineteen twelve. Nineteen twelve iswhen Woodrow Wilson was elected president United States.
And who was the president prior tothat? It was Teddy Roosevelt,
who, by the way, itwas the youngest president of history of United
States. Who's forty two. Ithink it was several months older than Jfkbe.
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So prior to that, William McKinleyis assassinated right after the inauguration.
So Teddy Roosevelt becomes president and getsvirtually a full term, and then he
runs again and is elected in alandslide, and part of his campaign was
I will not run again for anotherterm. In other words, two is
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enough. The only president ever electedmore than two was as you know,
FDR was elected four times president UnitedStates, although he served three terms and
then a little tiny bit into thefourth where he died in nineteen forty five.
And in the meantime, so youhave the promise of Teddy Roosevelt saying
I will not run again, andhe bails out. He says, okay,
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I'm not running. So he endshis political career as president in nineteen
o nine elected. He was notelected because he didn't run in nineteen o
eight because he had promised I'm notrunning. Well, he realizes very quickly,
Wait a minute, I kind ofliked being president. It was good
news for me. And so whathe does is he forms a third party,
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the Bull Moose Party. Now keepin mind, this is a wildly
loved, beloved president and he formsa third party to get back into the
presidency because he realized making the promisethat he's not going to run again was
a dumb move. He really likedbeing president and it was actually a pretty
good part of history that he wasthe president. And he was just a
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nice time to be president. Andhe is a fascinating character, probably the
most fascinating guy we've ever had aspresident. So he doesn't run again.
Would Row Wilson went runs and becomespresident. So what happened in nineteen twelve,
So he forms this bull Moose Partyto get elected, and it really
had some lakes, It really hadlakes. He ran as a Republican.
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He was a moderate Republican and canyou imagine that word moderate Republican today?
And what happened is there were threepeople that were legitimate that we're legitimately in
the race for president. When's thelast time we had three people legitimately in
the race for president? Probably RossPerot would become the closest. I mean,
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George Wallace ran and got nineteen percentof the vote, So it was
Teddy Roosevelt was the true third partycandidate. Having come from the presidency.
What do we have now? We'vegot two people that are running for the
presidency. You know, Donald Trump, who's already announced, and we know
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that Joe Biden is going to beon the Democratic ticket. And why well,
Donald Trump has his base and heis going to and there's too many
Republicans running against him, and hisbase will never let anybody else run.
He's got the nomination for the RepublicanParty. Biden has the nomination for the
Democratic Party. And why is that? And it doesn't matter if Biden were
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ninety five years old and was dottering, I mean literally didn't know what he
is doing and worse shape than DianeFeinstein. Why because he is a sitting
president who has decided to run again. And in politics today, a sitting
president will never lose the nomination fora second term. It just doesn't happen.
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So what do you have. You'vegot Donald Trump on the left,
who is beloved and has this fanaticfollowers among his basse You've got Joe Biden,
who is on the other side,who certainly has the Democrats. And
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I'm willing to bet that Joe Biden, his base, his support is more
anti Trump than it is Joe Biden. And you have this swath in the
middle. Where do you go?What do you do? Well, you
take a page out of history.You go back to nineteen twelve and you
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form the Bull Moose Party, exceptyou call it the No Label Party,
the No Label Ticket, and it'sa centrist group. It's moving forward.
And I gotta tell you this isnot just that Joe. Usually third party
candidates are a throwaway, they're jokes. This one not so much so.
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Third parties, which historically have notdone well. A matter of fact,
there's never been a third party winnerin history of the United States. Now,
there have been new parties. Oneif I remember, oh, nineteen,
eighteen fifty six, there was thisRepublican Party that was brand new,
and in eighteen sixty they ran thisguy, Abraham Lincoln that was a new
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party. But third parties don't dowell. And that's why I went back
to nineteen twelve, when the probablythe most successful third party was Teddy Roosevelt
and for all kinds of reasons,and you can go back and listen to
it. So now a third partyhas been formed, the No Labels Party,
and this is because of there's acentrist group of people in the United
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States. I am one of themwhere I am not happy with Donald Trump
for obvious reasons. I am nothappy with Joe Biden for obvious reasons.
And so where do I go.Well, that's where the No Labels Party
comes in, because it wants torun a centrist We don't have centrists at
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all anymore doing anything. And there'sbeen money being raised already, seventy million
dollars has been raised and they're justgetting started. It was launched in twenty
ten. The goal is supporting centristpolicy solution. The slogan is not left,
not right forward, and it isserious stuff for all kinds of reasons.
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There's done enough money coming in whereserious owners are lining up and everybody
is pretty tired with the choice ofpresidents. I mean it really started for
me personally between Hillary and Trump.I couldn't choose. I just didn't vote.
Both of them were eneughment to me. I didn't trust Hillary Clinton.
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I thought that she was basically abitch on wheels, which she actually is
certainly had some problems with Trump.Matter of fact, as I point out,
do you know that the only personin the world that could have beaten
Hillary Clinton was where Hillary Clinton wouldhave lost, It would be Donald Trump
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Hillary Clinton? Do I have thatright? The only person who could successfully
Right now, I I'm getting thismixed up, But the point is Hillary
Clinton could not have won against anyother person than Donald Trump, That's what
I want to say. And DonaldTrump could not have won with any other
person other than Hillary Clinton. Imean, the two offset each other because
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all the middle of America, Iguess hayted Hillary more than hated Trump.
Okay, so now the Nold Labelshas framed its ballot access campaign as an
insurance policy, saying that if Trumpand Biden are their parties respective frontrunners,
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which they are, are they goingto get the nominations they are? No.
Labels only is now doubling down.And the more these two become the
nominees once it's locked up, thenthere are a lot of people that are
looking at this race and go,we have to do better than Trump and
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Biden. I mean we have toTrump has his base, and it doesn't
matter. If there were videos ofTrump having sex with goats, it doesn't
matter. The evangelicals would go withTrump, and they would say God forgives
people having sex with goats, andwe have to show our concern and our
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forgiveness. There are a group ofpeople Joe Biden is unassailable because he is
a Democrat. And there are peoplewho, of course not disliked Joe Biden.
Not too many people disliked Joe Biden. Former President Trump is disliked by
many, many people. I'm oneof them. I just don't think he's
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fit. And you know how Ifeel about him in terms of he's the
only person I think in the historyUnited States that believes that taking the job
as president is slumming it versus whohe is. Moving into the White House
is slumming it. Going on AirForce one is slumming it relative to the
Trump airplane. And I happen tolike Joe Biden as a president at eighty
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years of age eighty what he'll beeighty six, so he's eighty two when
he runs. So those are thechoices we have. So for the first
time, man, I would lookat a medium centrist party and no labels
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can hold a spot on the twentytwenty four ballot for a third party ticket.
It's not easy to do, butall they have to do is collect
and submit a certain number of signatures. They've already cleared Arizona, Colorado,
Alaska, Oregon. They say they'reon track to at another twenty four states
by the year's end, including somebattleground states Florida, North Carolina, Nevada.
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Now, the way our system isbasically manufacturer and the way our system
is run. We have a twoparties system in this country. That's it.
Now you go to other countries,parliamentary countries where they have parliamentary governments
England, Israel, for example,I mean parties are formed like crazy.
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There's there'll be a brand new partyform next week and it will get the
plurality and to get the biggest numberof votes and Knesset seats. That's Israel.
England has a ton of parties.Our system does not. Our systems
does not. So we're looking ata third party. Very difficult to create
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and very difficult to move forward onhad there not been well or because there
are only two candidates. Trump onthe right, Biden on the left.
That leaves a huge swath in themiddle people that are just going, I'm
tired of this. Stop giving meno choice, which is what happened in
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the last presidential, which was happeningin the previous presidential. Nobody enough people
don't like either candidates that we areup in the air. When's the last
time you liked the candidate? ProbablyObama, Bill Clinton maybe was well liked,
certainly not the last two. Sothe premise is with the no labels,
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our politics are broken, why nottry something new? That's what you're
going to hear. Certainly resonates withme, that's for sure. Oh,
by the way, what if Trumpdoesn't get the nomination, Oh, thank
goodness, you're going to get someonewho is at least not as crazy politically,
Rhonda Santis. Run de Santis.You can't get more right wing than
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Ronda Santis. It just doesn't exist. And what do you get if you
don't have If you don't have JoeBiden. Well, you know, I
happened to be a big fan ofJoe Buda. I mean of Budi.
What's his first name, Peter?Huh, yeah, my mind just went
Pete. Yeah, Pete, that'strue. I knew that, I absolutely
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knew that. I don't know whereI got George. I don't know where
I got Pete. I know whereI got Pete. But anyways, I
have him to be a big fanof Pete Budaji. I think you know
why he's moderate. Say, Idon't care which side of the political spectrum.
Frankly, if I had my choice, if I had to come up
with a perfect candidate, I wouldhave probably a moderate Republican is where I
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would go. We don't have him. We just don't have him, and
it's it's not gonna be easy.It's not gonna be easy. We'll talk
more about that. I just wantedto throw that at you because literally I
just picked up a story about thisno label party and it's kind of fun.
Yeah, it came out of YahooNews. Kind of fun. Moquel
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is heard every evening from seven toten pm, and it is time for
Musings with mo is a social addressafter mister mo Kelly, Good morning,
mo Good morning Bill. How areyou my friend? You know what horrible?
How about you? I feel great, I'm alive, I move my
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limbs. You know nothing to complainabout, all right, So between the
two of us, we feel average, You feel great, I feel good,
So we're fair, all right.I got a couple of fun things
to talk about, and one iskind of serious and one is just fun.
And we'll start with the one that'sreasonably serious in terms of LA being
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a company town in the world ofentertainment. So we are now told that
the Tony Awards can move forward afterwell, the Writers Union agreed, let
them do it. Tell me thestory there, how that happened. Well,
first, people have to understand whatthe Tony Awards is. The WGA
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doesn't represent Broadway writers, and aTony Awards celebrates the contributions of people on
Broadway, those performers. The TonyAwards the TV show is really the issue
here because the TV show requires theuse of television writers. Now, the
aquitters, Actors Equity Association, theInternational Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, and
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the American Federation of Musicians, theyare the organizations which represent the people who
perform on Broadway, and they havedeclared solidarity with the WGA in the way
that our union, sag AFTRA hasdeclared solidarity. So there was a push
and pull here trying to figure outa sweet spot where although these organizations aren't
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representing TV writers, said Tony Awardsis a TV show? How can they
work this out? So they haven'tpublicized what the WGA specifically asked for,
but the WGA asked for some concessionson the TV show component. And because
they were agreed to buy the TonyAwards, they are allowing the Tony Awards
to go forward without any picketing orover protesting. All right, but you
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still have writers. It's a TVshow and there are writers who write the
material. I mean, those monologuescertainly aren't being written by the performers themselves
or those that are giving out theawards. And also all of those little
quips coming up we're going to see, I mean, all of that is
scripted. That's right, That's right. And this is let me just admit
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this is speculation on my part becausethe stipulations have not been publicized anywhere.
But I suspect that there is apay issue which they're going to make sure
that these writers are paid at acertain scale which would be consistent with whatever
future agreement is coming forward. Andalso that there's probably no public mention or
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side which is taken on the televisionshow itself, or if there has to
If there is going to be astatement, is going to be a statement
and solidarity as well, all right, So does that not weaken the union
when you have a position the unionis pretty adamant in terms of minimum pay,
in terms of benefits, etc.And then the whole issue of AI
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and residuals, all of that comingup, and you allow. This is
the union allowing members of the unionto work where otherwise they number one wouldn't
be able to work and are askingand I don't know if they are asking
for other unions to give them solidarityby not crossing picket lines. It seems
I think, I think you're right, But it's complicated, if only because
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since the Actors Equity Association and InternationalAlliance of Theatrical Stage Employees and the American
Federation of Musicians have all pledged theirsupport and solidarity, and that can be
done in any number of ways.The last thing you want to do is
do something which would harm them andtheir interests. And if you were to
post protest to Tony Awards or dosomething which then not allows to show to
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move forward, like the MTV MovieAwards to the Music awards. Then you
are you know, you're you're you'reharming your own side as it were,
real quickly. And then I wantto move to another topic. If you're
coming back sag AFTRA is coming upto authorize a strike vote, not that
it's going to happen, sag Aftrais everybody here. So if sag AFTRA,
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I don't see them going to strikestrike. But in terms of simply
again showing solidarity to other unions andnot crossing any kind of picket line or
not going to work, what doyou plan on doing seven to ten every
evening watching TV old reruns? Whoknows? Who knows? Because that's not
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even counting the Director's Guild, whichmay go on strike as well. There
is such a degree of unknown anduncertainty in Hollywood that we haven't seen in
many, many years. No onereally knows how this is going to turn
out. And if they say otherwise, I think they're lying. All right,
MO, mister showbiz, I'm gonnaI want your opinion on this.
I mean it's almost people come upand throw ideas, reality shows and entire
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franchises come out of them. Youknow, swamp people go to the dentist
you know, just anything you canpossibly think of. They'll come up with
any kind of true crime. Thisone is the franchise of The Bachelor and
Bachelorette. And if, of coursesomeone had to come up with this,
and that's the Golden Bachelor over sixtyfive and let's go for it. I
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can't wait on that one. Yourthoughts if you've been paying attention to the
industry more broadly, this was inevitablethe Bachelor first premiere back on March twenty
fifth, two thousand and two.We are different people than we were in
two thousand and two. The viewersare very different, and the industry has
matured pun intended. If you've beenpaying attention. Hulu came out with a
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show called Back in the Groove forwomen who were in their mid to late
forties. Peacock came out, Lovefor the Ages. TLC came out with
Milf Manner. Netflix came out withDating Around and so that served the forty
to fifty year old demographic, andthey were trying to serve an audience which
was also aging along with the genre. Now the Bachelor's saying, okay,
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we need to distinguish ourselves even further, going higher in the age range with
the Golden Bachelor. So it kindof makes sense if you look at what
the industry is doing. They're tryingto not only retain the audience that they've
enjoyed for the past twenty years,but also add to it because most likely,
if you're in your fifties or sixties, for the most part, you're
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not really concerned with what twenty fiveand thirty year old people are doing trying
to find love. It doesn't necessarilyhave the same appeal as when we were
in our twenties and thirties. Okay, so that's why we're here, all
right, So let's speak of demographicsfor a moment. Fifty four eighteen forty
nine are the demographics that advertisers arelooking for. The fact that we in
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talk radio in general skew older isto our detriment because advertisers don't like us,
because we in fact go after andare accepted by an older audience.
Welcome to the world of advertising.They're crazy because we have money to spend,
we globally, we but they don'tcare. So how is it that
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all of a sudden, you're nowtalking about older people. Are they recognizing
Because certainly the Nielsens don't recognize it. Well, they may not, but
at the same time, people didn'tthink that reality television had an audience,
and this is the test of itall. I'm quite sure they've done all
the marketing to see whether the numbersare there. But at the same time,
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if you're going to expand the audience, if you're going to keep a
brand fresh, then you have togive that audience and that brand a makeover
if you will, every few years. And this is not going to be
the whole franchise. This is justgoing to be a portion of the franchise.
I'm quite sure the people who loveThe Bachelor are not going to turn
away and not watch the Golden Bachelor. This is about bringing added viewers too
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an already established audience. All right, So we're going to see wheelchair races?
Are we going to see people inwalkers doing dances like the Producers by
mel Brooks? Actually, I thinkwe'll probably see very atypical people in their
sixties, in the way that wesee Martha Stewart at eighty one on the
cover of Sports Illustrated. She's notthe typical eighty one year old. We
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will see bore the same people intheir sixties very beautiful, probably could pull
twenty thirty years out. Then whenyou look at the spots, for example,
for any kind of medication. Ofcourse, if you're looking at national
news, all it is or spotsfor big pharma. Even the older people
look spectacular. It's always these peoplein great shape. The man always said,
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I pay attention to the men becausethey have hair, but the silver
gray hair, and the women lookspectacular. You go, come on,
I don't anybody at that age thatlooks like that, And so I guess
that makes sense. But let meask you something else when we go into
the world of advertising, and thatis and this is good for people that
are overweight because there's so much bodyshaming out there. The number of people
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in commercials who are heavy is becomingastronomical. And I'm not talking about just
in the background either. And thenumber of mixed race couples is through the
roofs. A matter of fact,the last thing you want to be is
a thin, straight white guy,because you're not going to get a job.
Well, I don't know about that, but it's all about I would
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say, trends and broadening an audience. Going back to the Golden Bachelor.
There are other Bachelor dating shows whichincorporate LGBTQ couple. So they understand that
America is changing, and they alsowant to reach out to people who they
believe is more representative of America.Now. We can look at what America
looked like in early nineteen seventies andthat America does not exist now. Whether
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people like that or loathed, theactuality is that the reality is that America
is more brown, is more diverse, and marketers they're trying to market their
shows to as many people as possible. So yes, you're gonna see mixed
couples and commercials. You're gonna evenhave gay couples if you're paying attention.
Oh yeah, lots of them.And there seems to not be a backlash
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or the worry about a backlash.Look what just happened Anheuser Bush when they
had that gay spokesperson for beer.I mean they lost twenty five percent of
sales day two. Well, youhave to know your audience. You have
to know who buys your product,who is your intended market. If if
you know that your butt light,well you're probably not ready for that transum
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spokesperson. You're probably not there yet, And I think that was a failure
of just knowing your own uh marketbase, and your and and who butters
your bread? As they say,all right, uh now I want bread?
Oh god, that's doesn't that soundgood? I love bread. I
do too. I've lived a lotof bread, rice butter. I love,
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but the Irish butter if you havethe Irish Oh yeah, oh yeah
that too. By the way,real quickly, Mo, I'm gonna answer
the question, So, Mo,what do you have on tonight? Well,
Bill, I don't know yet.Does that pro tech? Now we're
talking tech with Marshall Collier, we'llprobably talk about the Golden Bachelor even more
because I have many more thoughts aboutthat. And of course we have to
see if someone gets stabbed today onthe Metro absollent I vote yeah, Mo,
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take care. We'll catch you tonight. I've got seven two ten pm
and he is at mister mo kellysocial address. So social address. That
sounds very formal, isn't it.Yeah? So is it laundry day at
home? What's going on with thatshirt? Well, it looks like it's
laundry apple pineapples on its answer withpineapples. Yeah, Now, here's a
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quick question. You know, wewere accepting more and you've seen those commercials
where they have these heavy set peopleup there that are who's the one that
drug were that You've got that verysad woman who dances. She's a great
dancer too, but you would neversee that five years ago. Yeah,
it's all about body positivity. Yeahit is. And so but still,
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for example, I said to youjust a few months ago, hey,
you've lost a few pounds. Youlook great, and you actually smiled.
You took that as a compliment.Yeah, men does a compliment. But
you know the world has changed.You can't say anything to anybody anymore.
You know, you can't say you'velost weight, you gained Well, I'm
gonna go I'm gonna go the otherway. I'm gonna say, hey,
you gained weight and you don't lookso good. I mean it'll be I'll
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be able to do it once andthey get tossed out of here. No,
I don't think I think that you'vekind of you've said so much over
the years that you kind of arethe tough l on candidate. That's probably
what's going on today, Shannon.Oh, I don't know. Um,
we're gonna talk about there's another Turpinfamily to tell you about. You wonder
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about how many kids are in basementsnot being fed, We've got another one.
We've got a Harry and Megan update. I see here on the rundown.
I'm not sure what that is.Dorothy Slippers, the guy that stole
the ruby red slippers has been apprehended. Ah and the Zodiac killer. News
from the past today sounds good?All right, before we go, quick
word, I'm taking handle on thelaw questions marginal legal advice, and I'll
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start that right now. Off theair eight seven seven five two zero eleven
fifty eight seven seven five two zeroeleven fifty up next, Gary and Shannon
Shannon have a good show. Thankyou, sir KF I am six forty
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Catch my show Monday through Friday sixam to nine am, and anytime
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continue with the show I'm going ontoday too. The President is in Japan
at Hiroshima or Hiroshima. I don'tknow how it's pronounced, and that's what's
(00:22):
the general pronunciation. I've heard both, but Hiroshima. Yeah, yeah,
Hiroshima, Hiroshima exactly, as ifI don't mispronounce words on the show,
and Biden talking about the debt sealingnegotiations, because that's all anybody is Certainly
American reporters are asking him, andhe said we will not default a given
solids, and Kevin McCarthy says thesame thing, except they can't come to
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terms. There is a bill thathas been introduced, s B two two
seven, that's a Senate bill,and it's called the Safety Net for All
Workers at and let me tell youit has blown up. California State Senator
Brian Jones, who happens to bea Republican, went on Fox and Friends
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really to discuss the proposal. Becausethis is as a title forty two ends
and there are a whole lot ofCalifornians that are going whoa, whoa,
whoa. Wait a minute, becausethis is a state proposal that would give
weekly checks to illegal immigrants if theystop working or laid off or whatever.
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And we're now talking about this Migrantssurgis coming as a result of the ending
of Title forty two. So nowyou have the introduction of this bill saying
illegal immigrants who are no longer workingget three hundred bucks a week up to
twenty weeks, basically unemployment. Andas you can imagine, there's a huge
(01:57):
outrage Tahagada illegal immigrants get money fromUS. But let me ask you a
question, and that is and here'sthe argument why this actually makes sense,
because these illegal immigrants were working,whether illegal or not, but they were
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working, and they're release working underthe legal auspices, and they paid payroll
taxes, they paid into the state'sunemployment insurance system. So let me ask
you the issue. I'm going tonow separate the two issues because I think
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they are mutually exclusive. One is, first of all, the employment of
an illegal alien or illegal immigrant,that we blame the employer, because if
you're starving, if you've come overinto the United States. No one comes
over illegally because hey, you wakeup in the morning, you leave your
(03:00):
great job in Venezuela, and you'regoing to decide to come to the United
States. Nobody does that. You'retalking about people that are desperate coming over
to give their kids a chance sothey can eat. So you have to
understand. And it takes very veryfew people or very few people who don't
understand the motivation. So now they'renot allowed to work. But you've got
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an employer that goes, oh,this is great, I can get someone
from real cheap money, and hehires that person that's illegal. It's illegal
for the employer to hire that illegalimmigrant, and there is a ten thousand
dollars fine attached to each hiring.So let's say you have fifty if you
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got a good sized company, orlet's say you have ten illegal immigrants you
that are working for you, Well, that's ten times ten thousand, that's
one hundred thousand dollars fine. Youknow what I mean. People have actually
been tagged with the ten thousand dollarsfine, zero zero. It's never enforced.
What they the immigration people do isjust pick up those people. They
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pick up the employees and then boomthey deport them and thank you very much.
So I'll tell you what the realcrime is here. The real crime
is not giving them unemployment insurance becausefrankly, they've paid into it. You
know, it's real money that we'vetaken from them. The crime is the
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employment of these people, and especiallythe well you have to e verify,
for example, and I've hired people, you know, I've been a small
business person my whole life. You'veheard that before. I e verify everybody.
Now. A lot of it isbecause I'm you know, considered a
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public figure. I mean, veryvery low on the totem scale of public
figures. I get that. Buthiring an illegal immigrant, that's comes the
story Handel has an illegal immigrant athome. Well, no, I don't
why because I'm following the law andI e verify everybody that comes in.
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Are you here legally? Do youhave the proper papers? And it's the
employers who should get nailed. Iam not going to nail someone who all
he or she wants to do isfeed their family. I just won't do
that. I look, now,does that mean I am pro immigration that
the border should be open? Absolutelynot. We have to have some kind
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of border protection, some kind ofcontrol. And the problem is that is
something that is really complicated stuff,and what we tend to do is get
very simplistic about it. You've gotthe pro activist group, We should just
open up the borders for everybody,open arms. Look at what's at the
bottom of the poem, at thebottom of the statue of liberty. Emma,
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Emma Lazarus road. It give methe eretched, your poor, the
old masses. Okay, thank you. That's it. This is what America's
about. Then you have the otherside that says we need a border fence,
We've got to do everything we canto keep out illegal immigrants, and
just we don't want them in.I mean, i've heard not even put
in the asylum program. And rightnow anybody who comes to the border walks
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across turn themselves into border control andsays I want asylum, and there's any
ability you're coming from Venezuela, you'rea victim of narco traffic. Conte's okay.
They have to hear the immigration judgehas to hear the case, and
some are and the release in theUnited States, And on top of that,
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they don't have a hearing for fiveyears because they're so baclogged. What
are they going to do. They'regonna work, of course they're gonna work.
And do they come up with allkinds of fraudulent documentation? Of course
they do. Do you stop that? Yeah, you can do the verification,
you can follow the law. Imean it's a lot more complicated than
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we are even beginning to consider.So you can hear a lot about SP
two two seven. Uh, theSafety Net for All Workers Act. By
the way, the Board of Supervisorsin at in LA, the county supervisors
voted unanimously to back this bill.They don't have any jurisdictions because the state
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bill, but put it on therecord. All five of us are in
favor of SP two two seven.Okay, there's the story here. A
lawsuit. Let's start with a lawsuit. And this is a lawsuit that was
filed against a university, University ofWyoming, and it's uh seven members of
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Kappa Kappa Gamba. I've always wonderedabout those, uh you know the names
of those sororities Greek, the Greeksororities. And it has to do with
the fact that the university of Wyomingforced the sorority to allow in Artemis Langford.
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Artemis Langford is six foot two,very masculine, who is or identifies
herself as a woman, and shebasically is in the areas where women hang
out, they go naked, theygo into the girls bathrooms, the women's
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bathrooms, and there's Artemis walking aroundclose off and Artemis, by the way,
still has her junk and at onepoint walks around with an erection,
which is very disquieting for a lotof those girls that were in the sorority.
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And by the way, don't nailme for using the word girls or
young women. And so yeah,here's the lawsuit that's being filed, and
therein lies all of the issues thatwe've been talking about, and that is
men who translate or trans into women, women who trans into men. And
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one of the big issues of sports. One of the huge issues is sports
in which is it fair? Isit not? Because the physical biology,
the basic framework of a female ora male doesn't change. The muscle mass,
I believe when we've talked to JimKeeney, coming up at seven thirty
at the bottom of the hour doesn'tchange, and so is there an advantage,
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and there's huge controversy about that thattrans men into women should not compete
in women's sports because of the outrightadvantage. Lawsuits have been filed on that
one too. Have you ever hearda lawsuit where a woman becomes a man
and goes into a sport. I'mheard of that and competes. I have
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not heard of that because I don'tthink there's much an advantage of going from
female to male in the world ofsports. And this is happening all over
the country. In Wisconsin, thedeputy council at the Wisconsin Institute for Law
and Liberty talked about a locker roomincident at a high school in which a
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transgender student exposed male genitalia to fourfemale students and allegedly got into the showers
with four freshmen girls and exposed malegenitalia to them at an area high school.
I have to tell you those don'tbother me because those are very few
and far between. It's you cancount those literally on one hand in terms
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of this, and of course itbecomes a big national story and I just
don't buy those. It happens sorarely, but the issue and it's a
bigger social issue, and that isthe issue of when is a male a
female and when does someone should becalled what their identities? It's gender identity,
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And of course you've got liberal folkssaying, hey, it's whatever they
want to be called. They shouldbe allowed to be called whatever they're called,
and then others are saying, no, no, it's what you were
born with. I mean, evento the point where if you were born
a male, you're a male eventhough you have no male parts. You
take the female hormone and you're aboutas female as a lot of other females.
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Okay, that's going too far.As always, you know, you
look at both sides and we're sopolarized on every issue. I mean,
I can give you literally, Icould throw anything out at you and there'll
be people screaming back and forth.But I think there's a legitimate issue,
and that is how involved and howdoes society react to the trans issue.
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Now. I think you can beyou should be called whatever the hell you
want to be called. I don'thave a problem if you want to call
yourself a female, go ahead.I was just talking to Anne when Cassius
Clay became Muhammed Ali and Howard Cosell, who was probably the premier sportscaster,
got himself into a lot of trouble, a lot of controversy because he was
the first one that accepted that CassiusClay became Muhammed Ali goes, he can
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call him something that anything he wants. It's his name. You can change
your name, change your last name, change your first name. Decide that
you're a woman. Okay, you'rea woman. You don't look like a
woman, but you're a woman.But when it comes to how it deals
with other people, for example,in the sorority, for example, in
this sports world, that's a differentissue, and that is fairly new for
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us in terms of just the entireissue of transing. And then the last
story about this, I want topoint out Caitlin Jenner, a Fox News
contributor, did not like this anduh she uh talks about the lawsuit against
the university Kappa Kappa Gamma members.She is totally on their side, and
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she says, even though she's atrans, she said, no, you
can't do this. I'm in favorof what the girls in story are doing.
So that one, you don't findmany true conservative trans people. You
just don't oh, in this case, you do. It's now time to
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talk to doctor Jem. Jim Jem, doctor Jim McKinney. I got the
two confused medical dude. Thank himin the morning. Good morning, mill.
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Oh. We've got a lot totalk about, and I'm hoping that
we're gonna be able to cover mostof it. All Right, big story
that broke. There's a lawsuit Universityof Wisconsin in which there was a transgender
male and the university said you haveto let him in or you have to
let her in. Can't discriminate,And six members of that sorority are saying
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no. Filed the lawsuit saying,hey, he's got he They said,
he even though he considers himself awoman, and I think hormone therapy has
taken place, but still has apenis and is walking around with a penis
in the sorority, and even they'rearguing at one point he became erect.
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I think I can use that wordon the radio. There are a lot
of other words, but I'm notgoing to use him. Now, let
me ask, is there a medicalpoint at which, through a transit which
someone is or is considered female whowas a male? I think that's more
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of a philosophical and ethical question thana than a medical one, right,
I mean the bottom line is youcan't change your chromosomes, but you can
change your And we've given people theability to change their exterior experience, their
exterior you know, appearance, anda lot of their hormonal uh, you
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know, things going on. We'vegiven them the ability to change how they
identify through certain you know, uhwhere you would register for things now are
more inclusive. But medically, isthere a crossover point? Not really?
Yeah, I know, I knowI threw something at you that is not
particularly a medical issue. You're right, it's more philosophical. But I there's
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a bunch of questions regarding at Let'ssay someone comes in who is trance and
yeah, it's just and still hasmale parts, but has boobs and is
obviously on hormones. Medically, howdo you refer to that person in the
chart? Is it a he?Is it a sheat? Yeah? No,
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I mean honestly, it's done differentlyin different places. You know,
if somebody identifies as a heat,then I put them in their chart as
a heat and because that's how theywant to be referred with a lot of
times. Now they're they're building inthe ability in the charting to put your
identity at birth and your current identityso that at least we can be clear
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as to what's what. Because you'reright, I mean, it's not a
matter of discrimination. When you're tryingto figure out whether a former male who's
had a surgery, including maybe asurgery where they've created female parts, you
know that you're who do you callto operate on that? We have had
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that problem because you know, anob G I N says like, I
only operate on uh, you know, female body parts that we're there at
birth. I don't know how tooperate on these new parts. And the
adult surgeon says, well, thisis a you know, a kinnecological problem,
and I don't have training on howto manage a kysychological problem. So
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it does result in complexity. Yeah, and I mean to your point,
I mean, an andrologist wouldn't touchfemale parts and an obgyn wouldn't get close
to a male. And when youhave okay, now what do we do?
And that I never even thought ofthat one. So when someone takes
hormones and you were talking about youcan change, um, your hormonal levels,
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certainly, but you can't change chromosomesand body configuration and the hair and
boobs. How permanent is that ordo you constantly have you keep keep on
going? Is there a point whereyou basically reach the other sex? You
know, Bill, I don't knowhow far I've gone down that road to
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really get into all that. You'reright, I mean, it's it's these
are good questions. But I mean, obviously, when you make hormonal changes,
you are going to create hair growth, you know, when when you
start taking testoster and you're going tocreate hair growth that wasn't there before.
You may even create male pattern baldnessin a female. So there is a
time where you're going to you know, create an external appearance that matches uh,
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someone's internal you know, orientation ordesires. And that's the whole point.
And obviously, to some extent itprovides a level of satisfaction where the
person feels that it was worth theeffort in trouble. And I mean,
at least the people I've talked toare oftentimes happy with the outcome, So
it does seem to be working.Yeah, And I'm sorry to put you
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in this position, because you're right, it is a very philosophical question,
probably more so than medical. ButI think what you've come up with and
the way you describe it, thatis the real question, the controversy that
we're in the middle of trying tofigure all this out, and there may
be no way to figure it outthat work. For example, a former
male who becomes female will not startto menstrate, you know, So that's
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kind of what I'm thinking when youask me the question is at what point
do they you know, have afemale body and then they won't menstrate,
So you know, that's kind ofoff the table. You know, we're
hearing more and more and we andyou and I have touched on this,
and that is the drug shortages.How big, what kind of drugs or
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which ones are in short supply?And well you know how Dane yours is
this if it is? Yeah,I mean it's just like a lot of
other supply chain issues. Is abig problem, um, and then it's
affecting everything across It's almost every specialty. So the concerning ones of course,
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or when you hear cancer patients theycan't get their chemotherapy drugs, you know,
when they're when they're five weeks inon a six week course and can't
get the sixth week of their drug. But we've had we've had shortages of
sailing. How do you get shortof sailing? I mean, salt is
one of the most common elements onthe planet. We've been short of every
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cardiac drugs, cancer drugs, diabetesdrugs, all of them. We hear
excuses and to me, they alljust sounding excuses like, oh, you
know, these these people using acancer or a diabetes drug to lose weight
are impacting you know, the abilityto find a certain drug. Well that's
um. That may be true forone small area at one small time,
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but these those blockbuster drugs that endup that are they're very expensive and they
can be used for lifestyle drugs.Those manufacturers are cranking that up and you
know, it's basically a money print, and they're just cranking the crank on
the money print as fast as theycan. Yeah. But and here's my
question. If these drugs, ifyou're talking about life saving drugs, and
you're talking about expensive drugs, whyin God's name wouldn't they go balls to
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the wall and get those drugs outthere anyway they could if nothing else for
financial reasons. So you know,there's there's also there's a lot of middlemen
here, right, So there's there'sfour major consolidators that consolidate the you know,
the purchasing of drugs and then movementto all the big pharmacies and as
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well as you know, there's there'sconsolidators for hospitals that buy all these drugs.
They try. The goal and thetheory initially was that they smooth out
the supply chain, and maybe theyhave been smoothing it out and masking this
problem for you I don't know,or maybe in some way what they're doing
is creating part of the problem becausethey do make massive profits from this type
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of behavior. So, you know, this is why the government is putting
in place some type of review tokind of get a handle on where is
the problem. What is the problem. It's so multifactorial that it's very hard
to just put your finger on onepart of the problem. You know,
we have generic companies who their marginsare smaller, they're not as motivated to
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take the risk of producing a lotof the medicine that may not get purchased,
especially if it has an expiration date. They may be made in places
where labor is cheaper, and wherequality controls may not be as tight,
and so all of a sudden you'vegot or it just may be more difficult
in that environment to maintain quality controls, say where electricity isn't as consistent,
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or where water supply can be affected. So suddenly you end up with a
plant that's producing a majority of adrug and now it's shut down because of
quality issues. So there's just it'sa worldwide distribution chain and it has problems
that impacts all different things all overthe world. All right, you had
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said that every single specialty has beeneffected. So let me get personal.
What drugs do you would you givethat you do give that you're short of?
And what do you do in termsof alternatives if you have any pain
medication, sedatives for surgery or forprocedures. We've been short cardiac drugs,
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we've been short antibiotics. So absolutelywe can almost always find a suitable alternative.
The problems arise when people are allergicto the alternatives. You and you
you know, all you have isthe one that maybe they're allergic to.
It Just it's a constant battle.Our supply chain department is constantly looking for
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places to buy it. There arethere's other companies that have sprung up that
have warehouses where they warehouse drugs thatthey know go into short supply, and
then once they go in short supply, they kind of guage the market and
they charge ten, fifteen, twentytimes the going rate for that drug because
they know they're the only one thathas a supply. So I mean,
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is that a good thing because youdo have these people that are storing it
up for a rainy day basically,or is it a bad thing because they're
just standing by waiting to be profiteers. I don't know how you judge that,
right, It's really such a complexproblem. It's very hard to get
your head around. Well, you'vejust made an argument for the governmental control
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of all this, and in certainjurisdictions. I think the government, I
forgot where is doing is actually buildingits own plant to produce one of their
drugs. I remember reading about that. So I mean craziness when you think
about Well, let me give youan example that I've gone through, and
that is surgery. I go throughsurgery and I hurt like hell, and
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I'm going to hurt for weeks probably, And so normally what I used to
get is, of course opiates.Here, congratulations, have some opiates.
Here's two weeks worth, three weeksworth. It's after four days. Now
take some hypoprofen. I mean,how do people function that way? Yeah,
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well, I think we do that. You may also be impacted by
the fact that we are recognizing thatwe probably do over prescribe and for opiates,
and the number one source for redirectedopiates is leftovers from prior procedures.
So absolutely, for opiates we've beendefinitely you know, I think four days
as the new kind of standard ofcare, and you know, if you
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need more, you can talk toyour doctor type of thing. Because there's
a lot of people who go throughsurgeries and never take a single pain pill
for whatever reason, and now theyhave a two week supply of opiates that
are floating out there, you know, and oftentimes get redirected. Have we
gone too far in terms of painmedication? I know it was Lucy Goosey
for many, many years, andthen again three days of opiates, which
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is kind of crazy. I mean, it makes no sense. I remember
when I had my back surgery.I mean I hurt for a couple of
weeks then, I mean I wasscreaming in pain, all right, And
yeah, I mean it's for somepatients we've gone too far. For other
patients, you know, they're they'regetting too much still, So it's still
just no one size fits all approachdoesn't really work. But you know,
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we do know that overall we wereprescribing too many opiates. I mean that
that part is very clear. Theevidence is strong that that we were prescribing
too many opiates and were and soare there going to be people in that
mix that needed more and didn't getwhat they needed. Absolutely, there's no
question about that as well, right, Joe, it's kind of both Thanks
Jim, always appreciated. I havea good one. See how many people
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we're gonna see die today? Ialways do that to you, Jim.
Thank you. I want to spenda little bit of time talking about politics,
but it wasn't gonna be fun.This is not your traditional political left
right polarization, etc. Maybe atouch, but a lot of history here
I want to share with you andwhich way we can go, and we
haven't done this in a very verylong time. I'm gonna bring you back
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to nineteen twelve. Nineteen twelve iswhen Woodrow Wilson was elected president United States.
And who was the president prior tothat? It was Teddy Roosevelt,
who, by the way, itwas the youngest president of history of United
States. Who's forty two. Ithink it was several months older than Jfkbe.
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So prior to that, William McKinleyis assassinated right after the inauguration.
So Teddy Roosevelt becomes president and getsvirtually a full term, and then he
runs again and is elected in alandslide, and part of his campaign was
I will not run again for anotherterm. In other words, two is
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enough. The only president ever electedmore than two was as you know,
FDR was elected four times president UnitedStates, although he served three terms and
then a little tiny bit into thefourth where he died in nineteen forty five.
And in the meantime, so youhave the promise of Teddy Roosevelt saying
I will not run again, andhe bails out. He says, okay,
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I'm not running. So he endshis political career as president in nineteen
o nine elected. He was notelected because he didn't run in nineteen o
eight because he had promised I'm notrunning. Well, he realizes very quickly,
Wait a minute, I kind ofliked being president. It was good
news for me. And so whathe does is he forms a third party,
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the Bull Moose Party. Now keepin mind, this is a wildly
loved, beloved president and he formsa third party to get back into the
presidency because he realized making the promisethat he's not going to run again was
a dumb move. He really likedbeing president and it was actually a pretty
good part of history that he wasthe president. And he was just a
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nice time to be president. Andhe is a fascinating character, probably the
most fascinating guy we've ever had aspresident. So he doesn't run again.
Would Row Wilson went runs and becomespresident. So what happened in nineteen twelve,
So he forms this bull Moose Partyto get elected, and it really
had some lakes, It really hadlakes. He ran as a Republican.
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He was a moderate Republican and canyou imagine that word moderate Republican today?
And what happened is there were threepeople that were legitimate that we're legitimately in
the race for president. When's thelast time we had three people legitimately in
the race for president? Probably RossPerot would become the closest. I mean,
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George Wallace ran and got nineteen percentof the vote, So it was
Teddy Roosevelt was the true third partycandidate. Having come from the presidency.
What do we have now? We'vegot two people that are running for the
presidency. You know, Donald Trump, who's already announced, and we know
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that Joe Biden is going to beon the Democratic ticket. And why well,
Donald Trump has his base and heis going to and there's too many
Republicans running against him, and hisbase will never let anybody else run.
He's got the nomination for the RepublicanParty. Biden has the nomination for the
Democratic Party. And why is that? And it doesn't matter if Biden were
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ninety five years old and was dottering, I mean literally didn't know what he
is doing and worse shape than DianeFeinstein. Why because he is a sitting
president who has decided to run again. And in politics today, a sitting
president will never lose the nomination fora second term. It just doesn't happen.
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So what do you have. You'vegot Donald Trump on the left,
who is beloved and has this fanaticfollowers among his basse You've got Joe Biden,
who is on the other side,who certainly has the Democrats. And
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I'm willing to bet that Joe Biden, his base, his support is more
anti Trump than it is Joe Biden. And you have this swath in the
middle. Where do you go?What do you do? Well, you
take a page out of history.You go back to nineteen twelve and you
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form the Bull Moose Party, exceptyou call it the No Label Party,
the No Label Ticket, and it'sa centrist group. It's moving forward.
And I gotta tell you this isnot just that Joe. Usually third party
candidates are a throwaway, they're jokes. This one not so much so.
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Third parties, which historically have notdone well. A matter of fact,
there's never been a third party winnerin history of the United States. Now,
there have been new parties. Oneif I remember, oh, nineteen,
eighteen fifty six, there was thisRepublican Party that was brand new,
and in eighteen sixty they ran thisguy, Abraham Lincoln that was a new
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party. But third parties don't dowell. And that's why I went back
to nineteen twelve, when the probablythe most successful third party was Teddy Roosevelt
and for all kinds of reasons,and you can go back and listen to
it. So now a third partyhas been formed, the No Labels Party,
and this is because of there's acentrist group of people in the United
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States. I am one of themwhere I am not happy with Donald Trump
for obvious reasons. I am nothappy with Joe Biden for obvious reasons.
And so where do I go.Well, that's where the No Labels Party
comes in, because it wants torun a centrist We don't have centrists at
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all anymore doing anything. And there'sbeen money being raised already, seventy million
dollars has been raised and they're justgetting started. It was launched in twenty
ten. The goal is supporting centristpolicy solution. The slogan is not left,
not right forward, and it isserious stuff for all kinds of reasons.
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There's done enough money coming in whereserious owners are lining up and everybody
is pretty tired with the choice ofpresidents. I mean it really started for
me personally between Hillary and Trump.I couldn't choose. I just didn't vote.
Both of them were eneughment to me. I didn't trust Hillary Clinton.
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I thought that she was basically abitch on wheels, which she actually is
certainly had some problems with Trump.Matter of fact, as I point out,
do you know that the only personin the world that could have beaten
Hillary Clinton was where Hillary Clinton wouldhave lost, It would be Donald Trump
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Hillary Clinton? Do I have thatright? The only person who could successfully
Right now, I I'm getting thismixed up, But the point is Hillary
Clinton could not have won against anyother person than Donald Trump, That's what
I want to say. And DonaldTrump could not have won with any other
person other than Hillary Clinton. Imean, the two offset each other because
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all the middle of America, Iguess hayted Hillary more than hated Trump.
Okay, so now the Nold Labelshas framed its ballot access campaign as an
insurance policy, saying that if Trumpand Biden are their parties respective frontrunners,
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which they are, are they goingto get the nominations they are? No.
Labels only is now doubling down.And the more these two become the
nominees once it's locked up, thenthere are a lot of people that are
looking at this race and go,we have to do better than Trump and
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Biden. I mean we have toTrump has his base, and it doesn't
matter. If there were videos ofTrump having sex with goats, it doesn't
matter. The evangelicals would go withTrump, and they would say God forgives
people having sex with goats, andwe have to show our concern and our
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forgiveness. There are a group ofpeople Joe Biden is unassailable because he is
a Democrat. And there are peoplewho, of course not disliked Joe Biden.
Not too many people disliked Joe Biden. Former President Trump is disliked by
many, many people. I'm oneof them. I just don't think he's
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fit. And you know how Ifeel about him in terms of he's the
only person I think in the historyUnited States that believes that taking the job
as president is slumming it versus whohe is. Moving into the White House
is slumming it. Going on AirForce one is slumming it relative to the
Trump airplane. And I happen tolike Joe Biden as a president at eighty
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years of age eighty what he'll beeighty six, so he's eighty two when
he runs. So those are thechoices we have. So for the first
time, man, I would lookat a medium centrist party and no labels
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can hold a spot on the twentytwenty four ballot for a third party ticket.
It's not easy to do, butall they have to do is collect
and submit a certain number of signatures. They've already cleared Arizona, Colorado,
Alaska, Oregon. They say they'reon track to at another twenty four states
by the year's end, including somebattleground states Florida, North Carolina, Nevada.
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Now, the way our system isbasically manufacturer and the way our system
is run. We have a twoparties system in this country. That's it.
Now you go to other countries,parliamentary countries where they have parliamentary governments
England, Israel, for example,I mean parties are formed like crazy.
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There's there'll be a brand new partyform next week and it will get the
plurality and to get the biggest numberof votes and Knesset seats. That's Israel.
England has a ton of parties.Our system does not. Our systems
does not. So we're looking ata third party. Very difficult to create
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and very difficult to move forward onhad there not been well or because there
are only two candidates. Trump onthe right, Biden on the left.
That leaves a huge swath in themiddle people that are just going, I'm
tired of this. Stop giving meno choice, which is what happened in
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the last presidential, which was happeningin the previous presidential. Nobody enough people
don't like either candidates that we areup in the air. When's the last
time you liked the candidate? ProbablyObama, Bill Clinton maybe was well liked,
certainly not the last two. Sothe premise is with the no labels,
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our politics are broken, why nottry something new? That's what you're
going to hear. Certainly resonates withme, that's for sure. Oh,
by the way, what if Trumpdoesn't get the nomination, Oh, thank
goodness, you're going to get someonewho is at least not as crazy politically,
Rhonda Santis. Run de Santis.You can't get more right wing than
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Ronda Santis. It just doesn't exist. And what do you get if you
don't have If you don't have JoeBiden. Well, you know, I
happened to be a big fan ofJoe Buda. I mean of Budi.
What's his first name, Peter?Huh, yeah, my mind just went
Pete. Yeah, Pete, that'strue. I knew that, I absolutely
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knew that. I don't know whereI got George. I don't know where
I got Pete. I know whereI got Pete. But anyways, I
have him to be a big fanof Pete Budaji. I think you know
why he's moderate. Say, Idon't care which side of the political spectrum.
Frankly, if I had my choice, if I had to come up
with a perfect candidate, I wouldhave probably a moderate Republican is where I
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would go. We don't have him. We just don't have him, and
it's it's not gonna be easy.It's not gonna be easy. We'll talk
more about that. I just wantedto throw that at you because literally I
just picked up a story about thisno label party and it's kind of fun.
Yeah, it came out of YahooNews. Kind of fun. Moquel
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is heard every evening from seven toten pm, and it is time for
Musings with mo is a social addressafter mister mo Kelly, Good morning,
mo Good morning Bill. How areyou my friend? You know what horrible?
How about you? I feel great, I'm alive, I move my
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limbs. You know nothing to complainabout, all right, So between the
two of us, we feel average, You feel great, I feel good,
So we're fair, all right.I got a couple of fun things
to talk about, and one iskind of serious and one is just fun.
And we'll start with the one that'sreasonably serious in terms of LA being
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a company town in the world ofentertainment. So we are now told that
the Tony Awards can move forward afterwell, the Writers Union agreed, let
them do it. Tell me thestory there, how that happened. Well,
first, people have to understand whatthe Tony Awards is. The WGA
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doesn't represent Broadway writers, and aTony Awards celebrates the contributions of people on
Broadway, those performers. The TonyAwards the TV show is really the issue
here because the TV show requires theuse of television writers. Now, the
aquitters, Actors Equity Association, theInternational Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, and
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the American Federation of Musicians, theyare the organizations which represent the people who
perform on Broadway, and they havedeclared solidarity with the WGA in the way
that our union, sag AFTRA hasdeclared solidarity. So there was a push
and pull here trying to figure outa sweet spot where although these organizations aren't
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representing TV writers, said Tony Awardsis a TV show? How can they
work this out? So they haven'tpublicized what the WGA specifically asked for,
but the WGA asked for some concessionson the TV show component. And because
they were agreed to buy the TonyAwards, they are allowing the Tony Awards
to go forward without any picketing orover protesting. All right, but you
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still have writers. It's a TVshow and there are writers who write the
material. I mean, those monologuescertainly aren't being written by the performers themselves
or those that are giving out theawards. And also all of those little
quips coming up we're going to see, I mean, all of that is
scripted. That's right, That's right. And this is let me just admit
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this is speculation on my part becausethe stipulations have not been publicized anywhere.
But I suspect that there is apay issue which they're going to make sure
that these writers are paid at acertain scale which would be consistent with whatever
future agreement is coming forward. Andalso that there's probably no public mention or
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side which is taken on the televisionshow itself, or if there has to
If there is going to be astatement, is going to be a statement
and solidarity as well, all right, So does that not weaken the union
when you have a position the unionis pretty adamant in terms of minimum pay,
in terms of benefits, etc.And then the whole issue of AI
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and residuals, all of that comingup, and you allow. This is
the union allowing members of the unionto work where otherwise they number one wouldn't
be able to work and are askingand I don't know if they are asking
for other unions to give them solidarityby not crossing picket lines. It seems
I think, I think you're right, But it's complicated, if only because
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since the Actors Equity Association and InternationalAlliance of Theatrical Stage Employees and the American
Federation of Musicians have all pledged theirsupport and solidarity, and that can be
done in any number of ways.The last thing you want to do is
do something which would harm them andtheir interests. And if you were to
post protest to Tony Awards or dosomething which then not allows to show to
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move forward, like the MTV MovieAwards to the Music awards. Then you
are you know, you're you're you'reharming your own side as it were,
real quickly. And then I wantto move to another topic. If you're
coming back sag AFTRA is coming upto authorize a strike vote, not that
it's going to happen, sag Aftrais everybody here. So if sag AFTRA,
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I don't see them going to strikestrike. But in terms of simply
again showing solidarity to other unions andnot crossing any kind of picket line or
not going to work, what doyou plan on doing seven to ten every
evening watching TV old reruns? Whoknows? Who knows? Because that's not
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even counting the Director's Guild, whichmay go on strike as well. There
is such a degree of unknown anduncertainty in Hollywood that we haven't seen in
many, many years. No onereally knows how this is going to turn
out. And if they say otherwise, I think they're lying. All right,
MO, mister showbiz, I'm gonnaI want your opinion on this.
I mean it's almost people come upand throw ideas, reality shows and entire
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franchises come out of them. Youknow, swamp people go to the dentist
you know, just anything you canpossibly think of. They'll come up with
any kind of true crime. Thisone is the franchise of The Bachelor and
Bachelorette. And if, of coursesomeone had to come up with this,
and that's the Golden Bachelor over sixtyfive and let's go for it. I
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can't wait on that one. Yourthoughts if you've been paying attention to the
industry more broadly, this was inevitablethe Bachelor first premiere back on March twenty
fifth, two thousand and two.We are different people than we were in
two thousand and two. The viewersare very different, and the industry has
matured pun intended. If you've beenpaying attention. Hulu came out with a
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show called Back in the Groove forwomen who were in their mid to late
forties. Peacock came out, Lovefor the Ages. TLC came out with
Milf Manner. Netflix came out withDating Around and so that served the forty
to fifty year old demographic, andthey were trying to serve an audience which
was also aging along with the genre. Now the Bachelor's saying, okay,
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we need to distinguish ourselves even further, going higher in the age range with
the Golden Bachelor. So it kindof makes sense if you look at what
the industry is doing. They're tryingto not only retain the audience that they've
enjoyed for the past twenty years,but also add to it because most likely,
if you're in your fifties or sixties, for the most part, you're
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not really concerned with what twenty fiveand thirty year old people are doing trying
to find love. It doesn't necessarilyhave the same appeal as when we were
in our twenties and thirties. Okay, so that's why we're here, all
right, So let's speak of demographicsfor a moment. Fifty four eighteen forty
nine are the demographics that advertisers arelooking for. The fact that we in
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talk radio in general skew older isto our detriment because advertisers don't like us,
because we in fact go after andare accepted by an older audience.
Welcome to the world of advertising.They're crazy because we have money to spend,
we globally, we but they don'tcare. So how is it that
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all of a sudden, you're nowtalking about older people. Are they recognizing
Because certainly the Nielsens don't recognize it. Well, they may not, but
at the same time, people didn'tthink that reality television had an audience,
and this is the test of itall. I'm quite sure they've done all
the marketing to see whether the numbersare there. But at the same time,
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if you're going to expand the audience, if you're going to keep a
brand fresh, then you have togive that audience and that brand a makeover
if you will, every few years. And this is not going to be
the whole franchise. This is justgoing to be a portion of the franchise.
I'm quite sure the people who loveThe Bachelor are not going to turn
away and not watch the Golden Bachelor. This is about bringing added viewers too
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an already established audience. All right, So we're going to see wheelchair races?
Are we going to see people inwalkers doing dances like the Producers by
mel Brooks? Actually, I thinkwe'll probably see very atypical people in their
sixties, in the way that wesee Martha Stewart at eighty one on the
cover of Sports Illustrated. She's notthe typical eighty one year old. We
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will see bore the same people intheir sixties very beautiful, probably could pull
twenty thirty years out. Then whenyou look at the spots, for example,
for any kind of medication. Ofcourse, if you're looking at national
news, all it is or spotsfor big pharma. Even the older people
look spectacular. It's always these peoplein great shape. The man always said,
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I pay attention to the men becausethey have hair, but the silver
gray hair, and the women lookspectacular. You go, come on,
I don't anybody at that age thatlooks like that, And so I guess
that makes sense. But let meask you something else when we go into
the world of advertising, and thatis and this is good for people that
are overweight because there's so much bodyshaming out there. The number of people
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in commercials who are heavy is becomingastronomical. And I'm not talking about just
in the background either. And thenumber of mixed race couples is through the
roofs. A matter of fact,the last thing you want to be is
a thin, straight white guy,because you're not going to get a job.
Well, I don't know about that, but it's all about I would
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say, trends and broadening an audience. Going back to the Golden Bachelor.
There are other Bachelor dating shows whichincorporate LGBTQ couple. So they understand that
America is changing, and they alsowant to reach out to people who they
believe is more representative of America.Now. We can look at what America
looked like in early nineteen seventies andthat America does not exist now. Whether
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people like that or loathed, theactuality is that the reality is that America
is more brown, is more diverse, and marketers they're trying to market their
shows to as many people as possible. So yes, you're gonna see mixed
couples and commercials. You're gonna evenhave gay couples if you're paying attention.
Oh yeah, lots of them.And there seems to not be a backlash
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or the worry about a backlash.Look what just happened Anheuser Bush when they
had that gay spokesperson for beer.I mean they lost twenty five percent of
sales day two. Well, youhave to know your audience. You have
to know who buys your product,who is your intended market. If if
you know that your butt light,well you're probably not ready for that transum
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spokesperson. You're probably not there yet, And I think that was a failure
of just knowing your own uh marketbase, and your and and who butters
your bread? As they say,all right, uh now I want bread?
Oh god, that's doesn't that soundgood? I love bread. I
do too. I've lived a lotof bread, rice butter. I love,
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but the Irish butter if you havethe Irish Oh yeah, oh yeah
that too. By the way,real quickly, Mo, I'm gonna answer
the question, So, Mo,what do you have on tonight? Well,
Bill, I don't know yet.Does that pro tech? Now we're
talking tech with Marshall Collier, we'llprobably talk about the Golden Bachelor even more
because I have many more thoughts aboutthat. And of course we have to
see if someone gets stabbed today onthe Metro absollent I vote yeah, Mo,
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take care. We'll catch you tonight. I've got seven two ten pm
and he is at mister mo kellysocial address. So social address. That
sounds very formal, isn't it.Yeah? So is it laundry day at
home? What's going on with thatshirt? Well, it looks like it's
laundry apple pineapples on its answer withpineapples. Yeah, Now, here's a
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quick question. You know, wewere accepting more and you've seen those commercials
where they have these heavy set peopleup there that are who's the one that
drug were that You've got that verysad woman who dances. She's a great
dancer too, but you would neversee that five years ago. Yeah,
it's all about body positivity. Yeahit is. And so but still,
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for example, I said to youjust a few months ago, hey,
you've lost a few pounds. Youlook great, and you actually smiled.
You took that as a compliment.Yeah, men does a compliment. But
you know the world has changed.You can't say anything to anybody anymore.
You know, you can't say you'velost weight, you gained Well, I'm
gonna go I'm gonna go the otherway. I'm gonna say, hey,
you gained weight and you don't lookso good. I mean it'll be I'll
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be able to do it once andthey get tossed out of here. No,
I don't think I think that you'vekind of you've said so much over
the years that you kind of arethe tough l on candidate. That's probably
what's going on today, Shannon.Oh, I don't know. Um,
we're gonna talk about there's another Turpinfamily to tell you about. You wonder
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about how many kids are in basementsnot being fed, We've got another one.
We've got a Harry and Megan update. I see here on the rundown.
I'm not sure what that is.Dorothy Slippers, the guy that stole
the ruby red slippers has been apprehended. Ah and the Zodiac killer. News
from the past today sounds good?All right, before we go, quick
word, I'm taking handle on thelaw questions marginal legal advice, and I'll
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start that right now. Off theair eight seven seven five two zero eleven
fifty eight seven seven five two zeroeleven fifty up next, Gary and Shannon
Shannon have a good show. Thankyou, sir KF I am six forty
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