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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
The followings will be recorded program.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
This is out of California, and as you would think,
California being California, well, the Democrats in California legislature are
working to advance yet another bill aimed at providing benefits
to illegal immigrants. Of course, because as far as the
California legislature is concerned, there's no such thing as an

(00:53):
illegal immigrant.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
That concept just doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
We're all one big, happy family, and as you can imagine,
the Republican lawmakers are pushing big time to block the
new bill. Senate Majority Leader Brian Jones said in a statement.
Under the Newsom administration, the Unemployment Insurance Fund has already
broke with a twenty billion dollar deficit. We can't afford

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to expand benefits to those here illegally. But you know what,
when it comes to Newsom, when it comes to a
California legislature where there is a super majority in both
the Senate and the Assembly by of course Democrats, well
let's move forward and get unemployment benefits to illegal aliens.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
The other argument is, but wait a minute, they work
and they pay taxes, and why shouldn't they get unemployment benefits?
And the argument is they shouldn't be working because they
are illegal immigrants, and either we have immigration laws or
we don't. And then there are groups of people and
more certainly more Democrats, And I don't think any Republican

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feels this way that, you know what, the illegal immigrants
should be treated the same as any one of us.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
VINCENTE.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Fox, who was the President of Mexico years and years ago,
I think, put it absolutely perfectly with that kind of thinking,
and that is the border between Mexico and the United
States is merely a line. If you go from state
to state in this country, for example, from here in

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California to Nevada, and you're driving on the way to
Las Vegas, there is a sign that says welcome to Nevada.
And that's the state line right there, and you have
just entered Nevada. That's what VINCENTE. Fox thinks of the
US Mexican border.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Literally, a sign that.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Says welcome, and that's it. No guardrails, no border patrol, nothing.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
And so you know, is it gonna work? I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
But expanding this bill and acting this bill is going
to impose all kinds of additional demands because there's so
many illegal immigrants here.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, welcome to California. Okay, let's go ahead and take
some phone calls.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Niam Hello, Niam Hello.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, you're in an echo. If you're on a speaker phone,
that's not gonna work.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yes, good morning. Can you hear me now?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, you're off your speaker phone? Yes, okay, let's go.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yes, I signed a contact with a direct buyer.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
And direct buyer what.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Okay, properly?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, you signed a contract with a direct buyer of
your proper and it went into es right, yes.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
And uh.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
And I contacted the scroll company and they said they
I don't have any check or anything. They did not
pay the earnest money.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
So what's your question, what do I do?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
What's your question? Am?

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Five thousand dollars? How can I get that?

Speaker 3 (04:27):
You don't?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's no deal.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
If they don't pay the five thousand dollars earnest money,
then they don't want to buy the property.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's a hope.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
And you go to the next one.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Okay, there's no deal.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
There's no contract.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
If I offer, if I offer to buy your bicycle,
and you go, I need ten dollars right now, and
I say no.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Okay, there's no deal. There's no sale.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
I mean, do you want to sue for five thousand
dollars and be able.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
To sell the house for somebody else? Oh that's worth
that way now? Uh it there is? How much is
your property worth?

Speaker 4 (05:11):
NIM? One point two?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
One point And you did and you did the deal yourself, right?

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yes, I didn't have an attorney.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, well you don't need an attorney. But did you
have a broker of any kind?

Speaker 3 (05:26):
No? I did not.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Okay, Uh did you ask one point two million and
you wanted five thousand dollars earnest money?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
The day offered me and you said okay.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
I said okay, okay, So then.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
They changed their mind.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
By the way, uh, let me ask something, nim, how
are you able to get a one point two million
dollar house based on this conversation that you and I.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Are having right now? What do you do? What do
you do for a living?

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Them?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Oh, I was thinking you're an engineer.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Okay, yeah, okay, good for you.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
All right.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Now, let's talk about the way real estate deals actually work.
All right.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Someone goes in and wants to buy your house one
point two million dollars and goes, here is my earnest money.
Earnest money is usually three percent, so that becomes thirty
thousand dollars earnest money. And if they don't put it in,
there is no deal.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
You have X number of days to put in your
earnest money. Okay, now there are a couple of ways
of doing it. If you put it in, they still
have ten days and it's refundable.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
All right.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Let's say they do their due diligence and they find
out the summer's wrong with the foundation, or they find
out too many windows they're cracked, and they go, no,
we want out of the house. Give us our money back,
all right. That's the way most real estate deals are written.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Excuse me. Where you've got X.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Number of days doing your due diligence, and up to
that point you get your money back. Then there's something
called called going hard, and that is after the ten days,
for example, and that's what the last time I sold
my house, they had ten days to decide to pull
out or not. If they pulled out in the ten days,
they got their earnest money. After that, it goes hard,

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which means I'm keeping the earnest money because it's right
there in the contract.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Nim.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I'm assuming that you wrote all that in your contract, right, I.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Just signed it. They wrote all those things in the way.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Wow, All right on, nim, let me ask you, Okay,
for a reasonably successful guy, how many levels of idiocy
do you think you went through on this one?

Speaker 2 (07:50):
A lot?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, a lot. So here's the good news, nim. Get
a real estate agent to list your house. You're gonna
get less money. You're gonna have to pay a commission,
although commissions now are a lot less than what they
used to be because the National Realtor Association cut a
deal and they just changed everything.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Get a real estate broker to help you with this.
This is not something you need so you really do
need one, there's no question about that. Wow.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Interesting. Interesting, this is Handle on the Law. Welcome back
to handle on the Law.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Joe.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Hello, Joe, Welcome to handle.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
On the Law.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Uh. My daughter and son in law are getting a divorce.
He retained a lawyer and she is going through a
paralegal right now because you can't afford a lawyer. She
got her papers from his lawyer the other day saying
what he wants, and what he wants is full custody

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of our grandson, no alimony, no child support, all his product,
all this stuff from the house.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Oh yeah, of course, I'm of course.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
And he wants all of her money and all of
your money, and wants her to support him for the
rest of his life.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Of course, he always asks for the moon.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
So that's yeah, well that's what that's what I told
my daughter. I told her, I think his lawyer is
throwing everything gets you.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, yeah, it's just to intimidate you. So here's the
bottom line. How old is the kid, Joe? Okay, there's
gonna be joint custody. Okay, where right now? Who is
your eleven year old grandchild?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Go?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Where is he or she going to school? I mean,
in other words, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Let me, let me go the other way. Uh is
is it a girl? Old boy?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
By the way? The girl? Okay?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
So here you are your granddaughter. Who is she living
with right now?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Okay, it's my grandson. I'm sorry, Bill, sorry grandson.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Who is your grandson living with?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Actually they're both still living in the same house.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Okay, Well my daughter, my daughter.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
My daughter takes him and picks him up from school,
takes him to a doctor's deployments.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Okay, who's in a state? Okay, Joe, who's gonna.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Stay in She's gonna stay in the house. That that
makes it easy because he is. The best he's going
to do is joint custody. Uh. The fact is that
your grandson lives with her and the school is in
that area, she will probably get primary custody because it's
for the benefit of the kid. Whenever you deal with children,

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it's always for the benefit of the child.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
The interests of the mother and the father are truly secondary.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
So one of the big.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Issues is I asked you about school. Second of all,
I'm not surprised, or I wouldn't be surprised if then
the allegation that your daughter is abusive of the child,
beats the kid up is a drug addict, deals out
of the house, as he has seen her literally smoke

(11:02):
a joint and then pick up a syringe full of
heroin and put it directly into her eyeballs. I mean,
you're gonna see allegations like crazy. The judge is not
going to grant it. She doesn't have an attorney. She
goes in front of the judge and says, I don't
have an attorney. I can't afford one. And the judge
then is going to bend over backwards for her, especially

(11:24):
if he is asking for the moon, of which he
is not entitled to get. Full custody, no child support,
no spousal support, the house, everything I want, and she
gets absolutely nothing, which, by the way, is totally contrary
to the law because we're a community property state. Do

(11:44):
they have a house.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Together, Oh, yes, they do. Oh and they got it.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I'm assuming they bought it with communities funds.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Right exactly? Yes, Okay.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
How long have they been married.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
They've been married twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Okay, well it's going to be And does he have
a job and she has a job.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Actually, yes, she does have a job and you used
to go to work at like four o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
That doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
That doesn't matter really unless you're dealing with what who
makes more money, who makes worse money?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Uh? He does, Well, that's what the lawyer told him.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
She's gonna she's gonna get spousal support.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Okay, all right, now what she has to do.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
There are organizations out there, uh that deal with women
exactly under these circumstances where they can't aff a lawyer.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Uh, and they come in and help.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
And now again, this is the way I've an answering
questions lately, because it's.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Like, you know, lawyers cost a fortune and I know that.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
And divorces cost even more of a fortune, and then
they don't get paid enough, by the way, just to
let you know, Joe, because they're dealing with nice people
at their worst part of their lives where they are
normal people, and they become vipers during divorce proceedings. And
so she's going she's going to have to come in
and we'll get a lawyer. And the more crazy stuff

(13:04):
that he is asking for, uh, the more it's going to.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Piss off the judge.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Right, So you want him to ask you want him
to ask for the moon, truly, you want him to
go nuts because there is a whole schedule that judges
follow their guidelines. So find an attorney. And by the way,
she's going to get some support too.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Oh yeah, to one more quick, one more quick thing, bill. Okay,
she does have paralegal, and the paralegal said that that
she can advise a lawyer that they have there. Yeah,
a day by day lawyer or something like that, or uh,
I think there's something. Okay, if you got to go to.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
No, I understand.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
So you're getting legal Okay, getting legal advice is to
what to do at each stage?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Correct without her having a lawyer, Yes.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Okay, got it. And I don't know how much if
she can afford that, that's not a bad idea because
at least she has a lawyer and she's not retaining
a lawyer. But first and foremost, foremost, I would do
that whole search word search, if you will, of everything
I told you. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't worry about it.

(14:15):
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Speaker 2 (15:58):
This is handle on the Law.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
You're listening to bill handle on demand from kf I
AM six forty. This is handle on the Law marginal
legal advice where I tell you you have absolutely no
case D.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
Hello, D you welcome, Hey, thank you for taking my call.
I appreciate it. I have a question about a potential
second bite out of the apple.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
I had to take a.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
Defendant and an auto accident to small claims court. I
was successful and got a judgment against him. Following that,
his insurance company finally acknowledged and sent me a check.
But the check they sent was for the balance that
I sued for, but it specifically says medical injuries well
above and beyond the medical injuries. I also had property damage,

(16:52):
and I was wondering if I could still Hell, you can't.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
No.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
When you accepted the check, it's it.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
You were done even though they're checks as it's for
medical damages.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
No matter what their check said, you also signed, you
also sign an agreement that this is for everything.

Speaker 6 (17:08):
No, that's not what it says. They didn't send you
an agreement to sign. They just sent me a check
and on the notes line.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Okay, I'm confused.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
So you get you take someone to court, and you
get a judgment, right, correct?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
And so then on top of that, you get a
bill from the insurance for medical purposes, for your medical expenses.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
I get a check from them for medical expenses correct.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Okay, And you got a judgment against Uh, you got
a judgment. You already got a judgment against the driver.
Who are you going to assume? Who are you to
go after?

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Now? Oh?

Speaker 4 (17:46):
No, I have the judgment.

Speaker 6 (17:47):
I just want to keep it in place until he
pays me for mind, you still have a judgment.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Okay, yeah, no, you still have a judge.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Judgment still in place has been dismiss So what you
do is you have a judgment basically whatever property damage.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
That's correct?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, you know you're fine?

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, okay, I will confuse there for a moment.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
Row.

Speaker 8 (18:11):
Hello, Row, welcome, Hi, I bought two tickets online through
British Airways using points only. I bought them business class
from London to Lax. I was in London, I was
coming back and they gave me premium economy tickets, not
business class. They wouldn't make any adjustments, and they said, well,

(18:39):
we can't see what you bought. You have to get
through the points people, and it was backwards time, so
I couldn't get through. So we just had to use
the premium economy seats. Since then there's no one to
talk to.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, it's the case, it's always the case.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Oh, let me give you an example of what happened
to me with Air France. So I had bought business
class tickets, actually money money, I wrote it, written a
check for business class tickets just before COVID and Air
France shut down. Like all the other airlines, you couldn't
fly anymore. So Air France said that they issued a

(19:26):
statement they're going to refund all the money. Then they
turned around and reissued a statement saying that we're only
going to give vouchers.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Then I couldn't get through to.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Air France for a year. There was no one to
take the phone call. There was no one that answering
email nothing. So I had to then decide do I
sue them? And the answer is no, because of just
the hassle of suing Air France would be astronomical of

(20:02):
dealing with their legal department. So roll, let me ask
you a question. How much time, energy, and money would
you like to spend talking about the damage between that
you didn't pay for, okay, that you used miles for
you didn't write a check for this that you had,
between business and economy or premium economy.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
How much time would you like to invest in that?

Speaker 8 (20:24):
Well, I've been on hold for sixteen minutes. Other than that,
I'm taking another flight, and so.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
At some point you just got to hang it up
with the airlines. It's just not worth it.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean, you got to hire a lawyer at six
hundred dollars an hour. Are you going to take the
missine class court? You're not. And by the way you
read all these contracts, especially when you use miles, there's
all kinds of minutia in there. You know, when you
got home, you weren't look at it this way. They
didn't throw you into an economy and the flight is
long over, So I would just hang it up by

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the way, I was out eight thousand dollars and I
just hung it up.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Just I just I was done.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
I mean being on not talking to anybody the website
only in French, trying to call the few people I reach,
couldn't speak a word of English, and that was hours
on hold. It was just completely crazy. Hi, Josh, welcome
to handle on the law.

Speaker 9 (21:22):
Hey, Bill, Okay, I bought a house two and a
half years ago, and it turns out because no one
ever told me, the real estate agent or the seller,
that this house is part of a small privately owned
water system. When I say privately, I mean owned by
technically the residence. About thirty different houses own this water

(21:43):
system and is operated and maintained by the residents. And
this system is dilapidated and old and regularly breaks pipes
and they have to shut it down and I'm out
without water for days at a time. Nobody disclosed this
information to me when I bought this house. Hm, who's
on the hook.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, Well, first of all, people have to know about it, okay,
And certainly I think the previous owner would have told
you what should have told you, should have represented because
that's a material omission, especially if the previous owner had
undergone what you have gone through, that's the shutdown of

(22:23):
the system of days at a time, and he failed
to do that, then the issue becomes, Okay, how much
do you see?

Speaker 2 (22:30):
I think there's liability there? Fair enough?

Speaker 3 (22:32):
All right.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
By the way, when did you buy this property?

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Phil?

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Two and a half years ago?

Speaker 9 (22:38):
So what I'm thinking is I need to drill my
own wealth and it's about one hundred thousand bucks. Do
I assue him for a hundred thousand bucks?

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I don't know, because what is it? Why do you
have to drill your own well? Because that's the only
way you are going to that's the only way you're
going to be able to get water?

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Correct, Yes, sir?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Okay, how about this?

Speaker 1 (22:56):
What if they have there's a tank that when there
is water available, you fill up the tank and that
becomes twenty thousand dollars?

Speaker 9 (23:05):
That is another option yet.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Okay, so now we're starting to figure out what your
actual damages are. Do I think the previous owner is liable?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yes? I do? And what is the what do you
have to do to make it right?

Speaker 1 (23:21):
And I don't know the answer to that, but yeah,
there are some damages there and I think you have
to find out hopefully the broker knew about it. That's
really who you want to go after, because that's the
deep pocket, right.

Speaker 9 (23:32):
Because there's insurance, they can probably wiggle out of it
by saying the owner did not disclose to them either.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Probably, but it's definitely time to get a lawyer. And
you also have in the sales agreement. There's probably an
attorney's fees clause in there too, which says in the
event you file a lawsuit or he files a lawsuit
against you, then the prevailing party pays that gets the
attorney's fees. So yeah, quick answer your question is absolutely,

(24:02):
this is handle on the law and welcome back to
Handle on the law. Marginal legal advice?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Is that new Amy?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yes, good morning.

Speaker 10 (24:16):
I was just listening to you. You make my morning
while I have breakfast. I just want to thank you,
thank you for taking my call. And I have a
question and I will try to be concise, which is
very hard for me to do, but I'll try. Okay,
my son was arrested picking up He went to pick
up his son is divorced.

Speaker 7 (24:36):
He has a femily on the East coast, so if
it flows, he flows. Every flies every month from the
east coast to see some here. Okay, you're on the coast.
So he went to pick him up after nine o'clock.
He was over an hour late to pick him up
because he had a delay with a flight. Went to
pick him up a Texas son. He says, please come down,
I'm in the car, blah blah blah. The son did

(24:57):
not answer. He was twelve. Goes up the stairs. It's
an open you know, one of those open buildings. And
they knocked at the door. There was nobody, no answer,
so the handle the door was unlocked. So he went
in in the living room and he sat on the
sofa calling his ex wife name, and he had the
right to go inside the apartment. But within a few

(25:20):
he fell asleep. He was dozing off. He was so tired,
and on the right hand he had the phone. You'll
see on the sofa, so but you couldn't see. Within
a few minutes, here comes five six policemen with drawn guards,
and he was he thought that it was a nightmare.
And they handcaffed me, didn't They didn't care what he
you know, he was trying to say, I have the

(25:41):
right to be here, and I have to write to
see my son. I'm picking up my son. I'm not
doing anything. They handcuffed and booked them the police station
right down the beach last year, and so you can
imagine our night, the call to his wife and the
friends at seven SONTHI where the Ridondo beach. We had
paid five thousand dollars bail, and the judge threw away

(26:05):
the case right away because he had all the rights
to pick up his son and to be inside. Now,
when I called the bail bonds and I said, what
happened to the five thousand dollars? He had the right
to do that, she said, I'm sorry, we can give
it back to you.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Okay, hang on a minute.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
You had to make fives Was it a fifty thousand
dollars bail that you paid?

Speaker 7 (26:23):
Yes, they said, the five thousand dollars. He got out
after a few hours in the morning morning.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Okay, it was a fifty thousand dollars bail, correct.

Speaker 7 (26:33):
Yes, I believe it was fifty thousand. But they asked
for five thousand.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Dollars right away. Yeah, they always asked for ten percent.
That's what do Who called the police?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Who called the police?

Speaker 8 (26:44):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (26:44):
The police?

Speaker 7 (26:45):
Oh, they think it was a trick because they have
a bit of divorce.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Okay, but they don't know who called the police.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
They believe it was her, yeah, and he never sees believe.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
It, but they don't know for a fact. Is that true.
Is there a report written up that we believe the
ex wife called the police? Is that written in the No,
that I know of, because knew me or knew Amy,
they wouldn't do that. Okay, they don't say. We believe
there is evidence that there was, but not we.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
Think can they retrace the phone number that.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
They could and you get to do that because they
don't care. Oh okay, all right. That's they were pretty rough.
They were pretty made all kinds of allegations and until
you can.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Prove who it was, because if you can prove who.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
It was, then at least you can sue someone. The
bail bonds is not going to return the money.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
They just don't.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, they just don't do that. You pay and you
read the bail bonds.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Uh, but why is it?

Speaker 7 (27:51):
I mean, it was perfectly legal for him to.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Be there, doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
That's your argument against your argument against whoever called if
it's the ex wife? Yeah, we again, we believe know
what there?

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Amy?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Was she there?

Speaker 7 (28:06):
No nobody was in your party.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
So he never even reached her.

Speaker 6 (28:11):
Correct, that's right.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
And why would she How did she know that he
was there to call the police, because evidentally he was.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
She was hiding. We figured out that she was hiding.
She was hiding in one of the neighbor's apartment, and
she created this. She's a bipolar by the way. Okay,
so you created the situation.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Amy, The only thing you can do is sue her,
and you may and you may want to go after
her and go to the police and report for a
false police report.

Speaker 7 (28:42):
Okay, Well, let me tell you after a few weeks,
my son was served because she couldn't see his son,
and my son sees it every month.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
It's a different story.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
That is a totally different story that a civil civil
issue as to visitation and custody.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
So you have to separate.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Out the he's got on the fact. Where's she getting lawyers,
by the way, to file a suit.

Speaker 7 (29:07):
I don't know what she got a lawyer, but my
son last July he had to go to court don
Los Angeles, right, and she had a lawyer, but she
lost the case.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
She didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I mean, she's obviously her. There's a very bitter situation
going on here. Yeah, there is, so I get it.
So where do you have any idea where she's getting
the money to hire a lawyer.

Speaker 7 (29:27):
Well, she had her grandmother died, she left the money
for the grandchildren's money.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Well, your son has a woman who is going to
make her his life miserable.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Life miserable.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, and I already did for thirteen years.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I married the wrong woman and had a kid with
the wrong There's nothing reu you can do. But let's
go back to your original question. Can you get your
money back from the bail bondsman? No, you can't, and
I know it's it's a heartbreaker. They charged ten percent
unless you're making bail and you're you know, it's millions
of dollars of bail and you're wealthy. Then you start

(30:03):
negotiating with bail bondsmen because they went, I want the business,
So I want the business. I'll do it for six percent.
I'll do it for four percent. But normal people in
this case, for example, fifty thousand dollars bail.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Hey, you make bail and
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