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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listenings KFI AM six forty. The bill handles show
on demand on the iHeartRadio f This is handle on
the law marginal legal advice where I tell you you
have absolutely no case.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
There was a lawsuit against Google.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And the lawsuit had basically asked the court to force
Google to sell off its Chrome browser or Android because
of monopolistic controls here that frankly, Google had too much influence.
It was a monopoly when it comes to the Chrome browser.
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There's so few of them, they're so prevalent, and Google
is at the top of the list. So it was
an anti trust case.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It was.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It turned out to be a landmark anti trust case
and Google came not a huge winner on this one.
It could have gone to where the court determined that
it had to sell off the Chrome browser.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Had to.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And Google is not going to be forced to sell
it now it will make certain research or search data
available to other platforms. That was one of the arguments
which made this a monopoly. Not only does the control
a big part of the market, but it left out
other browsing systems that people wanted and it defaulted.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
To its own.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
In other words, this happened before where Apple got into
trouble for doing that on its iPhones, and in this case,
the court said no, as long as you make certain
not all of it search data available to qualified competitors,
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then guess what, you're off the hook.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Wow, that is a big, big deal.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Not only is it a win for Google, but other
platforms are looking at this big time. Ah man, very
very interesting case. No one thought it would happen on
this level. I'll tell you one thing. Google is absolutely
thrilled at this. All right, let's take some phone calls.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
John, Hello, John.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Hi, I have a question. I'm being built for my
cell phone on a suspended account. Where do I stand
on that?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
What does that mean? The suspended account means you can't
use the phone?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Correct, right? Okay? And why are they Why did they
suspend it?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
They could no longer support my old cell phone?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh okay, and you're still being.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Builled well for that one month, that's what?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How much? How much you're getting ailed.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
For perfectly, and that's than twenty dollars?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Then what do you care?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, it's a principle of the same principle.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
All right, I'm going to give you the name of
a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
All right, Yeah, he's six hundred dollars an hour, and
he'll probably probably charge you, will ask for a twenty
five hundred dollars retainer if you're lucky, maybe five thousand
dollars depending on the lawyer, and you need to walk
in and go I want to collect my twenty bucks.
And the lawyer will say fine, and if you want to,
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you know, go after him. He'll file the lawsuit for
twenty dollars. And I think just the filing.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Fees are three or four hundred bucks.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But that's besides the point. Then the phone company has
to be served. Can you sue the small the phone
company in small claims court? I don't know if there
are any exceptions to that because the phone companies are
all regulated by federal law. So at what point you
would you say it's not worth it? What if it
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were ten bucks? Would you still go in?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, my question is.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Still the principal. Wait a sec hold on. I want
you to answer this.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's the principle they have screwed you out of twenty dollars.
What if it were ten dollars or five dollars? Would
you still follow that up?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay, but twenty dollars you would.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well, yes, okay, I wonder if I don't pay it,
well they screw up my of course they will credit.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, of course they will.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Okay, of course they will.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And that's worth a two.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
By the way, I have no problem with not paying
twenty bucks to have my credit completely screwed up. Yeah,
I think you're right. Don't pay it, John, screw them.
Don't pay it. You'll show them. I get these calls
over the years. By the way, my favorite one, just
a quick story to share with you. My favorite one
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was a phone call bill was a phone a cell
phone bill, and a woman called up, and I mean
she was livid and said, the phone company has overcharged me.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And she was so upset.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And I'm telling you, calm down, calm down. Can I
go someplace, she says, because I'm overcharged? I said, yeah,
let's talk about it. So we went through the whole
thing as I'm trying to figure out, you know, the
laws dealing with the phone company. Can you go to court?
What are the limitations? There's federal regulations, can you go through?
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And then somewhere in that conversation, I asked, by the way,
how much did they overcharge you charge you?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And she said ten cents, and I lost it at
that point.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I mean, that was my fault for not asking upfront,
because you know how I often ask how much we're
talking about, because that actually a lot of the answers
predicated on how much you know, do I hire a
lawyer for a will?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
How much you're leaving? A thousand bucks, No, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
One hundred thousand, yeah, a million dollars, yes, you do
that sort of thing. And so I started screaming right
back at her. And have you ever seen anybody that
has brushed their teeth and has not rinsed and the
foam literally is coming out of their mouths.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's what my mouth looked like. I was frothing. I
was so upset. Gloria. Hi, Gloria, welcome to handle on
the law.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Oh, hi Beale, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Sure I have.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I was living in Colorado nineteen eighty six, went through
divorce and star and made up a trust and a will,
and now I'm living in California and now I'm seventy eight.
And someone told me that I couldn't use the nineteen
eighty six trust.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Oh you can use it.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
No, you can use a trust made nineteen o six. Yeah,
you're fine. A trust is a trust and it stays
put until it's until it's either changed and or you die.
Probably you die sooner than she change.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
My sister from being the conservator to my fifty year
old son.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay, well, first of all, she's not a conservator if
it's a trust, she's a trustee.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And that's very that's very easy to do. How much
money are we talking about here.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Gloria, Well, the house, I mean all of it, all
of it, all the assets, all the assets the trust owns.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yea, all of it.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Yeah, so how much.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
About two and a half millions?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, well, now we're talking some pretty serious money, Gloria.
So what I would do is take that trust and
then immediately hire a trust and a state lawyer. And
you can hire one in California because now you live
in California. And it doesn't really matter, because all you
would do is effectively cancel the first trust and rewrite
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the second trust. And it's not very much money because
lawyer already has the template and all we're doing is
changing names as to the trustee, and it's fairly simple
to do. It cost you maybe one thousand, fifteen hundred bucks. Gloria,
we're talking two and a half million dollars. You do
not want to make a mistake here. Okay, that's pretty
important stuff. When you're talking that much money. I mean,
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I don't have anything near that, and when I have
my trust, believe me, a trust and a state lawyer
writes it for me, mainly because I don't know, because
I don't know what I'm doing across the board. But
you know, you need some expertise with this, with that
much money. This is handle on the law. This is
handle on the law, marginal legal advice. Eric, Hi, Eric,
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welcome to handle on the law.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yes, how are you doing today, sir? What can I
do for you?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
I'm going to try to explain this as simple and
quick as possible as I can. Then I do apologize.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
That's good.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
So we use the same tax service. It was based
in Los Angeles. I will not mention their name. We
use them from all the way up to twenty twenty
we moved out of the state. They had a they
had a program that if you paid an additional hundred
dollars and if you got sued by the I R
(09:09):
S or the I r S came after you at
the end of the year, they would help you.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Hold on, wait wait wait wait wait, they would help you.
What does that mean?
Speaker 7 (09:21):
And that was it. It was very ambiguous. They would way,
they would represent you.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Okay, no way to sect. Did they say they would
represent you? Did they say they would help you? What
are the specifics of if you paid one hundred dollars,
this is what you get?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
How specific do we pay on that one?
Speaker 7 (09:41):
And we asked, we said, what does that mean? They said,
if the I r S comes after you and audit you,
we will help you with that.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, that is That's an interesting one. And that's all
they said. Is this a written contract or is this
was this verbal?
Speaker 7 (10:00):
I think it was written, but I think it was
just on the receipts that they gave us.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Okay, so I was written to all right, so you
got it in writing. Here is the problem defining what
help is. What help is is maybe giving you advice
on how to deal with the IRS. Here's what you're
going to see when you go in for an audit.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That could be help.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
This is a recommendation for enrolled agents and they probably
have one.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
But that's pretty innocuous. I mean, that's weird.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
They're going to help you as opposed to we will
represent you in front of the IRS. It's basically an
insurance policy where you get representation when you argue with
the IRS.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I don't know what to do, So what's your question? Eric?
Speaker 7 (10:52):
So in twenty fifteen, my wife tried to file her taxes,
totally messed it up, ended up owing a lot more
than she did. Come twenty twenty, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
she actually has money taken out of her check. That
finally stops. We go to this company and say, hey,
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do we owe the IRS anything else? We kept asking
year after year after year. We quit using them in
twenty twenty. Now fast forward to this year. We just
got a statement from the IRS saying that we owed
thirty thousand dollars plus and that we are going to collections.
And when we quit using this company because they raise
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their rates astronomically, they just ignored us.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
All right, Well, here's the first thing you do.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
You have another five years of interest right there.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay, here's what you do. Hold on, here's what you do.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
You're going to have to hire an accountant who is
an enrolled agent that deals with the IRS that in fact,
they have a huge amount of experience not just filing taxes,
but actually argue is with the IRS on your behalf.
That's an enrolled agent, and what he or she is
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going to do is ask for either a reduction or
a waiver of the interest based on you being innocent,
based on you got screwed over by this tax preparer.
Now they're not going to let you go in terms
of owing the taxes. I mean, yeah, there are programs, Yeah,
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you hear them all the time on radio and TV
saying you pay a fraction of what you owe. That's
the only way that works is if you have no money.
If you have the money to pay them, they're going
to collect. I mean that business where you five cents
on the dollar, it's because you don't even you're walking, you.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Don't even have a car.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So bottom line is you're probably gonna have to pay
the tax. They'll give you a deal to pay the
tax over a number of years. If most of this
is interest, a good enrolled agent is going to argue
to waive that interest, which the I R S does
do or a good part of it, and you cut
a deal you'll pay for it over the next five
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years or whatever interest free. So that is the argument
that's going to make an enrolled agent. That's where you
go enrolled, enrolled agent, and now you get to do
the research to find who's good and do reviews and
just ask around and you know, you find out who's
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had IRS problems, and that's how you do it. And
there's a there's a good chance, as a matter of fact,
there's an excellent chance you're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Okay on that, Hello Cheryl, Hello, Hello, yes, ma'am. Wait
wait wait are you on Wait? Wait Cheryl? You on
a speaker phone? Warning? Chance?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
No, okay, I'm on my cell phone.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Okay, okay, that's better. That's better. Sometimes bluetooth doesn't kick
in and it just always sounds very yeah. All right,
So what can I do for raise Geryl?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I believe it's an LLC, but I that I inherit
fractional pieces.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Of Okay, hold on, what is it? What is an LLC.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Limited?
Speaker 7 (14:15):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I know, no, no, what I'm talking about? How does
an LLC connect all this?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, you can't start with I heard it was an LLC.
There's more to the story than that.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
No kidding, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Okay, So what is the issue here? What happened and
what's your question?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (14:33):
So what happened back in the sixties. Back in the sixties,
my in laws deceased invested in two properties in the
Berlin Game, California area. It's been fractionalized, fractionalized, fractionalized even
more as people die and inherit. My curiosity is that
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we have never been able to get a list of
the other investors, phone numbers, names.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Oh, that's easy, that's easy.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
You know, certainly, it's easy to get their names, Cheryl,
because if they held if they held title in even
LLC's holding title, that's on the deed, and that's a
public record, Cheryl. And you can go back to the
eighteen hundreds and find out who's on a deed.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay, So that's easy. You just pull it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You just pull a title and you find out who
the investors are.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Hear their names. But does it matter?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So let me ask this, why are you asking that question?
Did you inherit the property?
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I inherited fractional interests?
Speaker 8 (15:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
How much? Okay?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
So you own?
Speaker 8 (15:45):
So?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
All right? So your own next percentage.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, yeah, X percentage?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Okay, what it is?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Okay, Well you don't even know what it is, all right,
but you have but you have a copy of the deed.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Okay, what's your percentage?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
I don't have a copy of the deed.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Probably, Okay, it doesn't it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
So you have a copy of the deed and the
deed is.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You can pull the deed.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
You can pull the deed.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I okay, So what I don't so I don't understand
your question, Cheryl.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Okay, I've never been able to get a financial statement.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
A financial statement?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Financial statement of who?
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Who?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Who is handling the financial part of this? Correct? You
have to do something? Yeah, you got to do some investigation, Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I think you have to find a private investigator kind
of person who does these kinds of searches because it
can get pretty complicated.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And uh, how much is the property worth?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I know, I know who manages it?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well, then you contact them they're stonewalling.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
You get a lawyer, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Get a real estate lawyer. Write them a letter and
they'll be hauled in the court instantly. Oh, they will talk,
no question. And if your name is on a deed
and they're not giving you any information and they're managing
the property. Oh yeah, and you go through all the
financial records and we'll see how much they screwed you.
Because if they if they stonewall you, there is something
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real wrong there.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
This is Handle on the Law.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
You're listening to Bill Handle on Demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Welcome back and Handle on the Law Marginal Legal Advice, Tam. Hello, Tam,
Welcome to Handle on the Law.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
Tam. You there, Yes, yeah, I need a champion.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You need a champion. Okay, what does that mean I.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Need a champion. Well, it means I need somebody. It's
like Dell Hands who gets excited about an issue and
go finds ways to attack the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, Tim, Yeah, I mean I get excited on the radio. Yep,
but I don't behind personally where to go.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
But tell me what happened. Let's see what can you do.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Here's what happened. For fifth, nineteen forty five. I was
born and immediately given out up for adoptions. Okay. Then
I didn't have any knowledge of my birth parents or
family for seventy five years.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
At the end of seventy five years, I found out
that my birth mother was murdered in October twenty third,
nineteen fifty three. She was shotgun to death and her
and two Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Hold on, she was what to death? Kim, I missed
that she was what to death?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
She was shotgunned, shotgun to death? Okay, shot to death,
all right.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Kill by a shotgun. Two siblings, a boy eight and
a daughter six, were also killed Wood her mother in
law was killed.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Who did the killing?
Speaker 8 (19:02):
A police officer? A police officer was killed, Well, a
man by the name of I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Care what his name is, just some stranger some relatives.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
No, he was He may have been married to the
birth mother. He may have been the father of the
two siblings.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I just don't know, Okay, And so you don't know
names at this point.
Speaker 8 (19:32):
Yes, I do, no name, all right, but I have
no contact. I can't find any members of either family.
I've tried, going so far as looking up the Paul
bears the right.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
You're doing investigations, Okay. With all that being said, Tim,
what would you like to happen?
Speaker 8 (19:55):
What I would like to happen is to find any
survivors called the family.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Fair enough, So you've seen a private.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
You need a private investigator, Tim, you need someone to
hunt it all through.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
How expensive are they in your case?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It may be pretty expensive because if you're going back
to the forties and the fifties.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Man, that's a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
There may be people that are already dead and it,
and I'm sure some of them are. But let me
ask you, why, why do you want this information just
to find out just for closure?
Speaker 8 (20:33):
No, I want to find out to close the circle
in my life. Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So you want it for closure, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, so you just want to yeah, okay, So basically
you just.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Want two children. I had two children. They're the only
people that I've ever known that I'm blood related to.
And they were both killed jeeze by a drunk driver
at good.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
God, at the same time, wait a second, at the
same time that your mom was killed, your birth mother.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
No, no, no, at the same time that my my
my son, and my daughter were both children.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Oh okay, they were Okay, got it.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
They were killed at the same time in a drunk
driver accident.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, all right, so.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
I'm left completely alone.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah it's tough. Yeah, it's tough. I can see that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So Tim, other than finding out who all the parties are. Uh,
that is effectively what you want. I'm assuming you know
in a file, lawsuits or anything. Just want to find
out who it is.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, it's a pri a private investigator, Tim, And you
can go to handle on the law dot com and
just ask the question, can you refer me to a
refer me to a private investigator and explain the story?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Because I got to tell you, Tim, it's a hell
of a story. I mean, how it can be.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Thousands, it can be it can be thousands, it can
be thousands of dollars because it goes back so far.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
It won't be fifty thousand, and I doubt it's going
to be five thousand, but it'll be several thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And I don't think it'll hit five thousand or even close.
But you know, good luck to you. Wow, what a story.
That's a movie. That is a movie.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And assuming that is true, and there's no reason not
to believe it, but God, can.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You imagine what this man has been through? Rina? Hello, Rena, Hello, Yes, I.
Speaker 9 (22:37):
Purchased a mobile home. A couple of weeks after I
moved in, I got a thing from Osha telling me
that I had no porch, when in fact I did
have a porch. I was all concerned about everything.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Anyways, after weeks later.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
They said, forget about it, everything's fine.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Fast forward.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
I complained because there's a corner and the stick guy
here with honking Hong Kong.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You know, yeah, I know what honkings sounds like. Yeah,
thank you for that. Okay.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
I complained about that. And once I complain about that,
they shand illegal aliens to come and knock on my door.
They speak Spanish or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
How do you know they're illegal? How do you know
they're illegal? Rena? Did you ask for papers?
Speaker 9 (23:16):
They come here speaking to me in Spanish?
Speaker 10 (23:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, how many people? Wait's that hold on, Rena, We're
getting a little bit over the top here.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
How many people do you think in southern California speak Spanish?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Just taking a wild guess.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
In front of me?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, in front of you, No, in front of you, yeah,
in front of you.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
They're speaking Spanish in front of you, and that makes
them illegal aliens, right, Rena?
Speaker 9 (23:40):
It is disrespectful to do that when there's other people.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You don't not arguing that, Rina, that's not no, no, no, Rena,
I understand there's an argument there. It is disrespectful. How
does that connect to illegal aliens?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Rina?
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Rina?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Rina? How does that? Rena?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I'm going to hang up on you in about two seconds.
I'm just curious before we can get to your case.
Because someone is disrespectful and speaks Spanish to your face,
how does that translate into an illegal alien?
Speaker 9 (24:06):
Because I do not tell them.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That I am Hispanic, that makes them illegal aliens?
Speaker 9 (24:14):
Why are they coming and knocking on my door and
asking me questions?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But you can you can close the door. You can
close the door and not answer their questions, Rena.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (24:28):
And I also get packages, okay. So I told the
manager I get packages that do not belong to me.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
I asked her if I could have the list of
the people so I could call them, you know, since
she couldn't help me. Okay, they do not help me.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
They then just leave, then just leave the packages or
go door to door.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
How many how many units are in?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
How many units are in that seventy eight?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, that's a lot. So let me ask you. There's
an office there right.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
Yes, that's what I'm talking about, Okay, and.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Then just leave the don't you just leave the packages
at the office. Just take them there and drop them off.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
Correct, I, you've done that too. But then the post office,
what have you come here? And tay, and I asked
me what did I do with a package? And I
tell them that they went over there?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Okay, give it to the phone office.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Finally, by the way, Raina, just question, does the post
office speak Spanish to your English?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
In English?
Speaker 8 (25:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Okay? Just curious, all right?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So with that, so you drop them off, you tell
the post office they weren't mine.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I took them to the office. Okay, Now what.
Speaker 9 (25:35):
Also the mail? All this craziness I'm not I'm not
supposed to be doing.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
It's not my mail, right, okay.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
But you wanted off your porch, You want it off
your porch, so you take it to the office.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
How big of a drug? How big a drag is that, Rena?
Speaker 9 (25:50):
Not very far?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
So some packages are really heavy, okay, So Reena.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Then you leave them on the porch and you call
the office or you email the office.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Rina, what do you want to do, Rena? What do
you want? When do you do you want to sue?
For a couple of million dollars.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
No, sir, what I want?
Speaker 9 (26:04):
Okay. I also asked them to please, why did they
keep every year?
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Because they can they raise the money because they can
Rina co it.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
But I own my home.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
It doesn't matter. You're paying, you're paying land rent, you're
paying for the land. If you're a mobile home, you
pay for the land every month, and they can raise
it every month if they want.
Speaker 9 (26:25):
Okay, So they can go overly, like thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Thousands and thousands. They can go hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
You can pay two thousand dollars this month and they
give you a notice it'll be one hundred and two
thousand dollars next month.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
They can do that, Okay, Okay, thank you, excellent call.
I still enjoy that illegal alien.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
If you speak Spanish, you're a lot automatically an illegal alien.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
How about Urdu? Does that make you an illegal alien
if you only speak Urdu or Zulu?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
God I took I took Zulu lessons once, you know,
and it was all I couldn't understand. The clicking just
didn't work for me. Uh, this is handle on the law.
Welcome back, handle on the law. You'll handle here marginal
legal advice.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Chris. Hello, Chris, welcome.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
What's going on? Bill?
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Yes, sir, I have a quick question.
Speaker 10 (27:19):
I'm a diesel technician. I work for a billion dollar company.
I get paid by weekly, either check or direct deposit.
I have the options. I chose the option. I want
to check that way. I show up on Fridays, so
every once in a while, you know, my check is late,
I have to wait till the following Monday. Okay, I understand.
The last three checks in a row, I had to
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wait either till five o'clock closing time or all the
way until Monday to get paid for the work I've
already completed. So my manager's been pressuring me to do
direct deposit. I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Why not?
Speaker 10 (27:54):
And we had the big Chris, I just because I want,
you know, motivation to go go to work on a Friday.
That's what I need, my motivation.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Okay, get my check?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Okay, I well, all right, I'm that's that's a different issue,
which I'll talk about it.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
It's a different So what's your question?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, of course you have the option. What's your question?
Speaker 10 (28:14):
So my question is the last three pay checks bi
weekly have been late. The big, big HR has come
in and say, hey, look, the companies and bears, what
can we do to fix this. My first thing was
we'll get my check on time. The third time he
said it, he goes, if you guys can think of
any as me and another gentleman that got pulled into
(28:35):
HR mean another gentleman. So on the third time of
my big HR is saying, hey, what can we do
to make this right? I jokingly said, you know, the
strip club is down the street, pay me my interest
for the days I didn't get paid, you.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Know, just jokingly.
Speaker 10 (28:50):
But now, actually do I have a case?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Not really?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I mean you know, yeah, technically you have a case
for I mean for interest that is to be paid
than three days. And if you figure out, you know,
five percent interests per year, you're talking about forty cents.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But that's not the point. The company may be.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
In violent hold on, hold on, well you know what,
then tell you what if it's a principle, then I
suggest you take them to the State of California, the
Wage Enforcement Board, where they will slap their wrists and
say you got to pay them on time.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And you have just taken your company h and turn
them into.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
The state for wage violation, of which there's going to
be no repercussions. And guess what, Chris, if you were
working for me, I'd fire your ass in two seconds.
And here is the problem is that they can fire
you for any reason whatsoever unless you're a unless you
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are a protected class. So they'll figure out someway. By
the way, are you a white guy?
Speaker 8 (29:59):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Of course, I mean no, no, no, we're talking about discrimination here.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Of course I'm a white guy. Well, I don't that
makes any sense.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
So the question is are you a white guy or
you are you over fifty five?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
No protecting, Okay, no protection whatsoever. You're not a protected class. Minorities,
you get fired as a minority if you get fire
for religious reasons. If you can fire for gender reasons,
that's illegal. That's those are protected classes. And you can
actually suit for discrimination. You have no lawsuit for discrimination.
And the easiest answer is, Chris, why don't you just
(30:34):
do direct deposit? It's so much easier. It's a principle
of a thing. Okay, So let me ask you a
quick question. Is it worth losing your job because you
won't do direct deposit?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
There's a question.
Speaker 10 (30:44):
Okay, so if they were a very good question, but
if they fired me for not doing this, then not
could counter suit fort No, no.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Their answer is real simple. Either you do direct deposit
or you don't. You don't have a choice, that's easy.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
But the choice is you do I understand.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
No, I get it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
So they're giving you. I understand they're giving you a choice.
But if tomorrow they said we're only paying by direct deposit,
then you have to open up an.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
Account, and then I would accept that. But I just
figured because I.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Have the option.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Okay, okay, fair enough, a fair enough State of California
wage Enforcement decision formal complaint against your company, and there'll
be a hearing and you're gonna stand up there and
argue they were three days late and multiple Okay, I
understand that.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I understand that.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And they're going to say, unless there's a statutory provision
which pays you whatever amount of dollars, then they're simply say,
don't do it again. And by the way, you're gonna
lose your job. But that's a small price to pay.
I understand that. Damn. Those yeah, you know, those really
are important. Those the principle of thing. I get questions
all the time, my civil rights have been violated because
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some bs reason, what can I do? I go, well,
let me give you the name of a civil rights
lawyer who's going to ask for a ten thousand dollars
retainer and go to work.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And here it is.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I've never had one actually called lawyer all of a
sudden when you're paying ten thousand dollars because you think
your civil rights have been violated. It doesn't work that way. Jesse, Hi, Jesse,
you're up.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Okay, I have question me and my brother. Me and
my brother own a home worth five hundred thousand, and
we're supposed to live together. I guess, so we die.
But now we're having little issues. But he already borrowed
two hundred and fifty thousand, you know, his half, and
so we can of agree on something. So I just
wanted to leave, but he said in an order for
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him to leave, I got to give him an extra
twenty thousand.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
How was he able to borrow the money without you
signing the documents because you both own the property.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I don't get that.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
No, No, I did sign it because we had an agreement,
you know, Okay, Wait.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You agreed for him to borrow the money.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Correct, Yes, he's going to be paying the loan, but
now we have.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Okay, god it why right?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
All right? So all right, you agreed, and therefore you
are as responsible as he is. And he borrowed the
money and you said okay, which means that you've taken
on the loan. And he says, you can get me
out of there if you pay me twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Guess what. He's still responsible to pay the loan.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Yes, and he's willing to pay it, but he wants
me to give him an extra twenty thousand.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
He's willing to he's willing to pay it and not
live there.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Correct, yes, but okay, he feels it. I understand.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
No, I understand my question. No, I understand. I understand.
He borrowed two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, of which
you are responsible for if he doesn't pay, because it's
joint and several.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So you're already on the hook.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
For two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to the mortgage holder.
He wants another twenty five or twenty thousand dollars and
you still owe the money.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Jesse.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Well, yeah, but he's you know, if he leaves, I'm
going to buy him out. I'm gonna refinance and to
pay that loan off, you know, to give him his
half of the value of the house. I know, I'm
gonna end up with the with the half a mortgage,
which is fine, and he's okay with that.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
But he's still.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Okay if he says no to the buyout then and
he just insists that the place be sold, which the
court will do. I mean, you're putting yourself in a
pretty bizarre our place because he's already signed and gave
half the house over to a mortgage holder, and which
means and you are responsible for that loan he wants
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twenty thousand dollars, You're still responsible for that loan. And
now you're saying, okay, and after you've paid him twenty
thousand dollars, okay, you go ahead and borrow the money
and get me out of this place.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
What if you don't qualify?
Speaker 10 (35:31):
All right?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well okay, yeah, all right, So what's your question, Jesse?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
What's your question?
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Do I have to give him that money since he
already got his value of the house you don't have.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
To do anything, Jesse, you don't have to do anything.
But he can say I'm not going to I'm not
going to let you buy me out. He can say
I'm not going to let you buy me out. You
can't force him to do it. Buy All you can
force it is all he can force it. Oh good,
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have absolutely no case.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
There was a lawsuit against Google.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And the lawsuit had basically asked the court to force
Google to sell off its Chrome browser or Android because
of monopolistic controls here that frankly, Google had too much influence.
It was a monopoly when it comes to the Chrome browser.
(00:42):
There's so few of them, they're so prevalent, and Google
is at the top of the list. So it was
an anti trust case.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It was.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It turned out to be a landmark anti trust case
and Google came not a huge winner on this one.
It could have gone to where the court determined that
it had to sell off the Chrome browser.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Had to.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And Google is not going to be forced to sell
it now it will make certain research or search data
available to other platforms. That was one of the arguments
which made this a monopoly. Not only does the control
a big part of the market, but it left out
other browsing systems that people wanted and it defaulted.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
To its own.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
In other words, this happened before where Apple got into
trouble for doing that on its iPhones, and in this case,
the court said no, as long as you make certain
not all of it search data available to qualified competitors,
(01:58):
then guess what, you're off the hook.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Wow, that is a big, big deal.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Not only is it a win for Google, but other
platforms are looking at this big time. Ah man, very
very interesting case. No one thought it would happen on
this level. I'll tell you one thing. Google is absolutely
thrilled at this. All right, let's take some phone calls.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
John, Hello, John.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Hi, I have a question. I'm being built for my
cell phone on a suspended account. Where do I stand
on that?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
What does that mean? The suspended account means you can't
use the phone?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Correct, right? Okay? And why are they Why did they
suspend it?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
They could no longer support my old cell phone?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh okay, and you're still being.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Builled well for that one month, that's what?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How much? How much you're getting ailed.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
For perfectly, and that's than twenty dollars?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Then what do you care?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, it's a principle of the same principle.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
All right, I'm going to give you the name of
a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
All right, Yeah, he's six hundred dollars an hour, and
he'll probably probably charge you, will ask for a twenty
five hundred dollars retainer if you're lucky, maybe five thousand
dollars depending on the lawyer, and you need to walk
in and go I want to collect my twenty bucks.
And the lawyer will say fine, and if you want to,
(03:31):
you know, go after him. He'll file the lawsuit for
twenty dollars. And I think just the filing.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Fees are three or four hundred bucks.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But that's besides the point. Then the phone company has
to be served. Can you sue the small the phone
company in small claims court? I don't know if there
are any exceptions to that because the phone companies are
all regulated by federal law. So at what point you
would you say it's not worth it? What if it
(04:00):
were ten bucks? Would you still go in?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, my question is.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Still the principal. Wait a sec hold on. I want
you to answer this.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's the principle they have screwed you out of twenty dollars.
What if it were ten dollars or five dollars? Would
you still follow that up?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay, but twenty dollars you would.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well, yes, okay, I wonder if I don't pay it,
well they screw up my of course they will credit.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, of course they will.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Okay, of course they will.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And that's worth a two.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
By the way, I have no problem with not paying
twenty bucks to have my credit completely screwed up. Yeah,
I think you're right. Don't pay it, John, screw them.
Don't pay it. You'll show them. I get these calls
over the years. By the way, my favorite one, just
a quick story to share with you. My favorite one
(04:57):
was a phone call bill was a phone a cell
phone bill, and a woman called up, and I mean
she was livid and said, the phone company has overcharged me.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And she was so upset.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And I'm telling you, calm down, calm down. Can I
go someplace, she says, because I'm overcharged? I said, yeah,
let's talk about it. So we went through the whole
thing as I'm trying to figure out, you know, the
laws dealing with the phone company. Can you go to court?
What are the limitations? There's federal regulations, can you go through?
(05:31):
And then somewhere in that conversation, I asked, by the way,
how much did they overcharge you charge you?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And she said ten cents, and I lost it at
that point.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I mean, that was my fault for not asking upfront,
because you know how I often ask how much we're
talking about, because that actually a lot of the answers
predicated on how much you know, do I hire a
lawyer for a will?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
How much you're leaving? A thousand bucks, No, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
One hundred thousand, yeah, a million dollars, yes, you do
that sort of thing. And so I started screaming right
back at her. And have you ever seen anybody that
has brushed their teeth and has not rinsed and the
foam literally is coming out of their mouths.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's what my mouth looked like. I was frothing. I
was so upset. Gloria. Hi, Gloria, welcome to handle on
the law.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Oh, hi Beale, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Sure I have.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I was living in Colorado nineteen eighty six, went through
divorce and star and made up a trust and a will,
and now I'm living in California and now I'm seventy eight.
And someone told me that I couldn't use the nineteen
eighty six trust.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Oh you can use it.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
No, you can use a trust made nineteen o six. Yeah,
you're fine. A trust is a trust and it stays
put until it's until it's either changed and or you die.
Probably you die sooner than she change.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
My sister from being the conservator to my fifty year
old son.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay, well, first of all, she's not a conservator if
it's a trust, she's a trustee.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And that's very that's very easy to do. How much
money are we talking about here.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Gloria, Well, the house, I mean all of it, all
of it, all the assets, all the assets the trust owns.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yea, all of it.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Yeah, so how much.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
About two and a half millions?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, well, now we're talking some pretty serious money, Gloria.
So what I would do is take that trust and
then immediately hire a trust and a state lawyer. And
you can hire one in California because now you live
in California. And it doesn't really matter, because all you
would do is effectively cancel the first trust and rewrite
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the second trust. And it's not very much money because
lawyer already has the template and all we're doing is
changing names as to the trustee, and it's fairly simple
to do. It cost you maybe one thousand, fifteen hundred bucks. Gloria,
we're talking two and a half million dollars. You do
not want to make a mistake here. Okay, that's pretty
important stuff. When you're talking that much money. I mean,
(08:12):
I don't have anything near that, and when I have
my trust, believe me, a trust and a state lawyer
writes it for me, mainly because I don't know, because
I don't know what I'm doing across the board. But
you know, you need some expertise with this, with that
much money. This is handle on the law. This is
handle on the law, marginal legal advice. Eric, Hi, Eric,
(08:35):
welcome to handle on the law.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yes, how are you doing today, sir? What can I
do for you?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
I'm going to try to explain this as simple and
quick as possible as I can. Then I do apologize.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
That's good.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
So we use the same tax service. It was based
in Los Angeles. I will not mention their name. We
use them from all the way up to twenty twenty
we moved out of the state. They had a they
had a program that if you paid an additional hundred
dollars and if you got sued by the I R
(09:09):
S or the I r S came after you at
the end of the year, they would help you.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Hold on, wait wait wait wait wait, they would help you.
What does that mean?
Speaker 7 (09:21):
And that was it. It was very ambiguous. They would way,
they would represent you.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Okay, no way to sect. Did they say they would
represent you? Did they say they would help you? What
are the specifics of if you paid one hundred dollars,
this is what you get?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
How specific do we pay on that one?
Speaker 7 (09:41):
And we asked, we said, what does that mean? They said,
if the I r S comes after you and audit you,
we will help you with that.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, that is That's an interesting one. And that's all
they said. Is this a written contract or is this
was this verbal?
Speaker 7 (10:00):
I think it was written, but I think it was
just on the receipts that they gave us.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Okay, so I was written to all right, so you
got it in writing. Here is the problem defining what
help is. What help is is maybe giving you advice
on how to deal with the IRS. Here's what you're
going to see when you go in for an audit.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That could be help.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
This is a recommendation for enrolled agents and they probably
have one.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
But that's pretty innocuous. I mean, that's weird.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
They're going to help you as opposed to we will
represent you in front of the IRS. It's basically an
insurance policy where you get representation when you argue with
the IRS.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I don't know what to do, So what's your question? Eric?
Speaker 7 (10:52):
So in twenty fifteen, my wife tried to file her taxes,
totally messed it up, ended up owing a lot more
than she did. Come twenty twenty, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
she actually has money taken out of her check. That
finally stops. We go to this company and say, hey,
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do we owe the IRS anything else? We kept asking
year after year after year. We quit using them in
twenty twenty. Now fast forward to this year. We just
got a statement from the IRS saying that we owed
thirty thousand dollars plus and that we are going to collections.
And when we quit using this company because they raise
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their rates astronomically, they just ignored us.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
All right, Well, here's the first thing you do.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
You have another five years of interest right there.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay, here's what you do. Hold on, here's what you do.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
You're going to have to hire an accountant who is
an enrolled agent that deals with the IRS that in fact,
they have a huge amount of experience not just filing taxes,
but actually argue is with the IRS on your behalf.
That's an enrolled agent, and what he or she is
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going to do is ask for either a reduction or
a waiver of the interest based on you being innocent,
based on you got screwed over by this tax preparer.
Now they're not going to let you go in terms
of owing the taxes. I mean, yeah, there are programs, Yeah,
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you hear them all the time on radio and TV
saying you pay a fraction of what you owe. That's
the only way that works is if you have no money.
If you have the money to pay them, they're going
to collect. I mean that business where you five cents
on the dollar, it's because you don't even you're walking, you.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Don't even have a car.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So bottom line is you're probably gonna have to pay
the tax. They'll give you a deal to pay the
tax over a number of years. If most of this
is interest, a good enrolled agent is going to argue
to waive that interest, which the I R S does
do or a good part of it, and you cut
a deal you'll pay for it over the next five
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years or whatever interest free. So that is the argument
that's going to make an enrolled agent. That's where you
go enrolled, enrolled agent, and now you get to do
the research to find who's good and do reviews and
just ask around and you know, you find out who's
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had IRS problems, and that's how you do it. And
there's a there's a good chance, as a matter of fact,
there's an excellent chance you're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Okay on that, Hello Cheryl, Hello, Hello, yes, ma'am. Wait
wait wait are you on Wait? Wait Cheryl? You on
a speaker phone? Warning? Chance?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
No, okay, I'm on my cell phone.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Okay, okay, that's better. That's better. Sometimes bluetooth doesn't kick
in and it just always sounds very yeah. All right,
So what can I do for raise Geryl?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I believe it's an LLC, but I that I inherit
fractional pieces.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Of Okay, hold on, what is it? What is an LLC.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Limited?
Speaker 7 (14:15):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I know, no, no, what I'm talking about? How does
an LLC connect all this?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, you can't start with I heard it was an LLC.
There's more to the story than that.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
No kidding, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Okay, So what is the issue here? What happened and
what's your question?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (14:33):
So what happened back in the sixties. Back in the sixties,
my in laws deceased invested in two properties in the
Berlin Game, California area. It's been fractionalized, fractionalized, fractionalized even
more as people die and inherit. My curiosity is that
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we have never been able to get a list of
the other investors, phone numbers, names.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Oh, that's easy, that's easy.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
You know, certainly, it's easy to get their names, Cheryl,
because if they held if they held title in even
LLC's holding title, that's on the deed, and that's a
public record, Cheryl. And you can go back to the
eighteen hundreds and find out who's on a deed.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay, So that's easy. You just pull it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You just pull a title and you find out who
the investors are.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Hear their names. But does it matter?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So let me ask this, why are you asking that question?
Did you inherit the property?
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I inherited fractional interests?
Speaker 8 (15:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
How much? Okay?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
So you own?
Speaker 8 (15:45):
So?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
All right? So your own next percentage.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, yeah, X percentage?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Okay, what it is?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Okay, Well you don't even know what it is, all right,
but you have but you have a copy of the deed.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Okay, what's your percentage?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
I don't have a copy of the deed.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Probably, Okay, it doesn't it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
So you have a copy of the deed and the
deed is.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You can pull the deed.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
You can pull the deed.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I okay, So what I don't so I don't understand
your question, Cheryl.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Okay, I've never been able to get a financial statement.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
A financial statement?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Financial statement of who?
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Who?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Who is handling the financial part of this? Correct? You
have to do something? Yeah, you got to do some investigation, Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I think you have to find a private investigator kind
of person who does these kinds of searches because it
can get pretty complicated.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And uh, how much is the property worth?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I know, I know who manages it?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well, then you contact them they're stonewalling.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
You get a lawyer, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Get a real estate lawyer. Write them a letter and
they'll be hauled in the court instantly. Oh, they will talk,
no question. And if your name is on a deed
and they're not giving you any information and they're managing
the property. Oh yeah, and you go through all the
financial records and we'll see how much they screwed you.
Because if they if they stonewall you, there is something
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real wrong there.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
This is Handle on the Law.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
You're listening to Bill Handle on Demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Welcome back and Handle on the Law Marginal Legal Advice, Tam. Hello, Tam,
Welcome to Handle on the Law.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
Tam. You there, Yes, yeah, I need a champion.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You need a champion. Okay, what does that mean I.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Need a champion. Well, it means I need somebody. It's
like Dell Hands who gets excited about an issue and
go finds ways to attack the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, Tim, Yeah, I mean I get excited on the radio. Yep,
but I don't behind personally where to go.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
But tell me what happened. Let's see what can you do.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Here's what happened. For fifth, nineteen forty five. I was
born and immediately given out up for adoptions. Okay. Then
I didn't have any knowledge of my birth parents or
family for seventy five years.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
At the end of seventy five years, I found out
that my birth mother was murdered in October twenty third,
nineteen fifty three. She was shotgun to death and her
and two Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Hold on, she was what to death? Kim, I missed
that she was what to death?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
She was shotgunned, shotgun to death? Okay, shot to death,
all right.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Kill by a shotgun. Two siblings, a boy eight and
a daughter six, were also killed Wood her mother in
law was killed.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Who did the killing?
Speaker 8 (19:02):
A police officer? A police officer was killed, Well, a
man by the name of I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Care what his name is, just some stranger some relatives.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
No, he was He may have been married to the
birth mother. He may have been the father of the
two siblings.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I just don't know, Okay, And so you don't know
names at this point.
Speaker 8 (19:32):
Yes, I do, no name, all right, but I have
no contact. I can't find any members of either family.
I've tried, going so far as looking up the Paul
bears the right.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
You're doing investigations, Okay. With all that being said, Tim,
what would you like to happen?
Speaker 8 (19:55):
What I would like to happen is to find any
survivors called the family.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Fair enough, So you've seen a private.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
You need a private investigator, Tim, you need someone to
hunt it all through.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
How expensive are they in your case?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It may be pretty expensive because if you're going back
to the forties and the fifties.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Man, that's a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
There may be people that are already dead and it,
and I'm sure some of them are. But let me
ask you, why, why do you want this information just
to find out just for closure?
Speaker 8 (20:33):
No, I want to find out to close the circle
in my life. Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So you want it for closure, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, so you just want to yeah, okay, So basically
you just.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Want two children. I had two children. They're the only
people that I've ever known that I'm blood related to.
And they were both killed jeeze by a drunk driver
at good.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
God, at the same time, wait a second, at the
same time that your mom was killed, your birth mother.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
No, no, no, at the same time that my my
my son, and my daughter were both children.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Oh okay, they were Okay, got it.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
They were killed at the same time in a drunk
driver accident.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, all right, so.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
I'm left completely alone.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah it's tough. Yeah, it's tough. I can see that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So Tim, other than finding out who all the parties are. Uh,
that is effectively what you want. I'm assuming you know
in a file, lawsuits or anything. Just want to find
out who it is.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, it's a pri a private investigator, Tim, And you
can go to handle on the law dot com and
just ask the question, can you refer me to a
refer me to a private investigator and explain the story?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Because I got to tell you, Tim, it's a hell
of a story. I mean, how it can be.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Thousands, it can be it can be thousands, it can
be thousands of dollars because it goes back so far.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
It won't be fifty thousand, and I doubt it's going
to be five thousand, but it'll be several thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And I don't think it'll hit five thousand or even close.
But you know, good luck to you. Wow, what a story.
That's a movie. That is a movie.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And assuming that is true, and there's no reason not
to believe it, but God, can.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You imagine what this man has been through? Rina? Hello, Rena, Hello, Yes, I.
Speaker 9 (22:37):
Purchased a mobile home. A couple of weeks after I
moved in, I got a thing from Osha telling me
that I had no porch, when in fact I did
have a porch. I was all concerned about everything.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Anyways, after weeks later.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
They said, forget about it, everything's fine.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Fast forward.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
I complained because there's a corner and the stick guy
here with honking Hong Kong.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You know, yeah, I know what honkings sounds like. Yeah,
thank you for that. Okay.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
I complained about that. And once I complain about that,
they shand illegal aliens to come and knock on my door.
They speak Spanish or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
How do you know they're illegal? How do you know
they're illegal? Rena? Did you ask for papers?
Speaker 9 (23:16):
They come here speaking to me in Spanish?
Speaker 10 (23:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, how many people? Wait's that hold on, Rena, We're
getting a little bit over the top here.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
How many people do you think in southern California speak Spanish?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Just taking a wild guess.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
In front of me?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, in front of you, No, in front of you, yeah,
in front of you.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
They're speaking Spanish in front of you, and that makes
them illegal aliens, right, Rena?
Speaker 9 (23:40):
It is disrespectful to do that when there's other people.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You don't not arguing that, Rina, that's not no, no, no, Rena,
I understand there's an argument there. It is disrespectful. How
does that connect to illegal aliens?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Rina?
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Rina?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Rina? How does that? Rena?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I'm going to hang up on you in about two seconds.
I'm just curious before we can get to your case.
Because someone is disrespectful and speaks Spanish to your face,
how does that translate into an illegal alien?
Speaker 9 (24:06):
Because I do not tell them.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That I am Hispanic, that makes them illegal aliens?
Speaker 9 (24:14):
Why are they coming and knocking on my door and
asking me questions?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But you can you can close the door. You can
close the door and not answer their questions, Rena.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (24:28):
And I also get packages, okay. So I told the
manager I get packages that do not belong to me.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
I asked her if I could have the list of
the people so I could call them, you know, since
she couldn't help me. Okay, they do not help me.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
They then just leave, then just leave the packages or
go door to door.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
How many how many units are in?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
How many units are in that seventy eight?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, that's a lot. So let me ask you. There's
an office there right.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
Yes, that's what I'm talking about, Okay, and.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Then just leave the don't you just leave the packages
at the office. Just take them there and drop them off.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
Correct, I, you've done that too. But then the post office,
what have you come here? And tay, and I asked
me what did I do with a package? And I
tell them that they went over there?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Okay, give it to the phone office.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Finally, by the way, Raina, just question, does the post
office speak Spanish to your English?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
In English?
Speaker 8 (25:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Okay? Just curious, all right?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So with that, so you drop them off, you tell
the post office they weren't mine.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I took them to the office. Okay, Now what.
Speaker 9 (25:35):
Also the mail? All this craziness I'm not I'm not
supposed to be doing.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
It's not my mail, right, okay.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
But you wanted off your porch, You want it off
your porch, so you take it to the office.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
How big of a drug? How big a drag is that, Rena?
Speaker 9 (25:50):
Not very far?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
So some packages are really heavy, okay, So Reena.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Then you leave them on the porch and you call
the office or you email the office.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Rina, what do you want to do, Rena? What do
you want? When do you do you want to sue?
For a couple of million dollars.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
No, sir, what I want?
Speaker 9 (26:04):
Okay. I also asked them to please, why did they
keep every year?
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Because they can they raise the money because they can
Rina co it.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
But I own my home.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
It doesn't matter. You're paying, you're paying land rent, you're
paying for the land. If you're a mobile home, you
pay for the land every month, and they can raise
it every month if they want.
Speaker 9 (26:25):
Okay, So they can go overly, like thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Thousands and thousands. They can go hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
You can pay two thousand dollars this month and they
give you a notice it'll be one hundred and two
thousand dollars next month.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
They can do that, Okay, Okay, thank you, excellent call.
I still enjoy that illegal alien.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
If you speak Spanish, you're a lot automatically an illegal alien.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
How about Urdu? Does that make you an illegal alien
if you only speak Urdu or Zulu?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
God I took I took Zulu lessons once, you know,
and it was all I couldn't understand. The clicking just
didn't work for me. Uh, this is handle on the law.
Welcome back, handle on the law. You'll handle here marginal
legal advice.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Chris. Hello, Chris, welcome.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
What's going on? Bill?
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Yes, sir, I have a quick question.
Speaker 10 (27:19):
I'm a diesel technician. I work for a billion dollar company.
I get paid by weekly, either check or direct deposit.
I have the options. I chose the option. I want
to check that way. I show up on Fridays, so
every once in a while, you know, my check is late,
I have to wait till the following Monday. Okay, I understand.
The last three checks in a row, I had to
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wait either till five o'clock closing time or all the
way until Monday to get paid for the work I've
already completed. So my manager's been pressuring me to do
direct deposit. I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Why not?
Speaker 10 (27:54):
And we had the big Chris, I just because I want,
you know, motivation to go go to work on a Friday.
That's what I need, my motivation.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Okay, get my check?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Okay, I well, all right, I'm that's that's a different issue,
which I'll talk about it.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
It's a different So what's your question?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, of course you have the option. What's your question?
Speaker 10 (28:14):
So my question is the last three pay checks bi
weekly have been late. The big, big HR has come
in and say, hey, look, the companies and bears, what
can we do to fix this. My first thing was
we'll get my check on time. The third time he
said it, he goes, if you guys can think of
any as me and another gentleman that got pulled into
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HR mean another gentleman. So on the third time of
my big HR is saying, hey, what can we do
to make this right? I jokingly said, you know, the
strip club is down the street, pay me my interest
for the days I didn't get paid, you.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Know, just jokingly.
Speaker 10 (28:50):
But now, actually do I have a case?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Not really?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I mean you know, yeah, technically you have a case
for I mean for interest that is to be paid
than three days. And if you figure out, you know,
five percent interests per year, you're talking about forty cents.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But that's not the point. The company may be.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
In violent hold on, hold on, well you know what,
then tell you what if it's a principle, then I
suggest you take them to the State of California, the
Wage Enforcement Board, where they will slap their wrists and
say you got to pay them on time.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And you have just taken your company h and turn
them into.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
The state for wage violation, of which there's going to
be no repercussions. And guess what, Chris, if you were
working for me, I'd fire your ass in two seconds.
And here is the problem is that they can fire
you for any reason whatsoever unless you're a unless you
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are a protected class. So they'll figure out someway. By
the way, are you a white guy?
Speaker 8 (29:59):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Of course, I mean no, no, no, we're talking about discrimination here.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Of course I'm a white guy. Well, I don't that
makes any sense.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
So the question is are you a white guy or
you are you over fifty five?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
No protecting, Okay, no protection whatsoever. You're not a protected class. Minorities,
you get fired as a minority if you get fire
for religious reasons. If you can fire for gender reasons,
that's illegal. That's those are protected classes. And you can
actually suit for discrimination. You have no lawsuit for discrimination.
And the easiest answer is, Chris, why don't you just
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do direct deposit? It's so much easier. It's a principle
of a thing. Okay, So let me ask you a
quick question. Is it worth losing your job because you
won't do direct deposit?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
There's a question.
Speaker 10 (30:44):
Okay, so if they were a very good question, but
if they fired me for not doing this, then not
could counter suit fort No, no.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Their answer is real simple. Either you do direct deposit
or you don't. You don't have a choice, that's easy.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
But the choice is you do I understand.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
No, I get it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
So they're giving you. I understand they're giving you a choice.
But if tomorrow they said we're only paying by direct deposit,
then you have to open up an.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
Account, and then I would accept that. But I just
figured because I.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Have the option.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Okay, okay, fair enough, a fair enough State of California
wage Enforcement decision formal complaint against your company, and there'll
be a hearing and you're gonna stand up there and
argue they were three days late and multiple Okay, I
understand that.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I understand that.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And they're going to say, unless there's a statutory provision
which pays you whatever amount of dollars, then they're simply say,
don't do it again. And by the way, you're gonna
lose your job. But that's a small price to pay.
I understand that. Damn. Those yeah, you know, those really
are important. Those the principle of thing. I get questions
all the time, my civil rights have been violated because
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some bs reason, what can I do? I go, well,
let me give you the name of a civil rights
lawyer who's going to ask for a ten thousand dollars
retainer and go to work.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And here it is.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I've never had one actually called lawyer all of a
sudden when you're paying ten thousand dollars because you think
your civil rights have been violated. It doesn't work that way. Jesse, Hi, Jesse,
you're up.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Okay, I have question me and my brother. Me and
my brother own a home worth five hundred thousand, and
we're supposed to live together. I guess, so we die.
But now we're having little issues. But he already borrowed
two hundred and fifty thousand, you know, his half, and
so we can of agree on something. So I just
wanted to leave, but he said in an order for
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him to leave, I got to give him an extra
twenty thousand.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
How was he able to borrow the money without you
signing the documents because you both own the property.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I don't get that.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
No, No, I did sign it because we had an agreement,
you know, Okay, Wait.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You agreed for him to borrow the money.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Correct, Yes, he's going to be paying the loan, but
now we have.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Okay, god it why right?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
All right? So all right, you agreed, and therefore you
are as responsible as he is. And he borrowed the
money and you said okay, which means that you've taken
on the loan. And he says, you can get me
out of there if you pay me twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Guess what. He's still responsible to pay the loan.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Yes, and he's willing to pay it, but he wants
me to give him an extra twenty thousand.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
He's willing to he's willing to pay it and not
live there.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Correct, yes, but okay, he feels it. I understand.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
No, I understand my question. No, I understand. I understand.
He borrowed two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, of which
you are responsible for if he doesn't pay, because it's
joint and several.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So you're already on the hook.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
For two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to the mortgage holder.
He wants another twenty five or twenty thousand dollars and
you still owe the money.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Jesse.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Well, yeah, but he's you know, if he leaves, I'm
going to buy him out. I'm gonna refinance and to
pay that loan off, you know, to give him his
half of the value of the house. I know, I'm
gonna end up with the with the half a mortgage,
which is fine, and he's okay with that.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
But he's still.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Okay if he says no to the buyout then and
he just insists that the place be sold, which the
court will do. I mean, you're putting yourself in a
pretty bizarre our place because he's already signed and gave
half the house over to a mortgage holder, and which
means and you are responsible for that loan he wants
(35:11):
twenty thousand dollars, You're still responsible for that loan. And
now you're saying, okay, and after you've paid him twenty
thousand dollars, okay, you go ahead and borrow the money
and get me out of this place.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
What if you don't qualify?
Speaker 10 (35:31):
All right?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well okay, yeah, all right, So what's your question, Jesse?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
What's your question?
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Do I have to give him that money since he
already got his value of the house you don't have.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
To do anything, Jesse, you don't have to do anything.
But he can say I'm not going to I'm not
going to let you buy me out. He can say
I'm not going to let you buy me out. You
can't force him to do it. Buy All you can
force it is all he can force it. Oh good,
(36:06):
we're talking over each other. Yeah, okay, that's great. Let
me tell you about pain. And if you live in
chronic pain, you know what I'm talking about. I mean,
it's there all the time, and that's what's horrible about
chronic pain. So The Pain Game podcast is a podcast
that deals with people who are in chronic pain or
(36:27):
know someone who is, treats people and what it does
is develop a community because a lot of people in
chronic pain feel alone and by the way, people have
lost people to chronic pain. This is one of those
things where people can hurt themselves because they just can't
take it anymore. And the Pain Game podcast deals with
people that are hurting, that have had trauma, and every
(36:50):
episode ends with a message of hope. And you'll understand
that the show is about giving pain purpose. Puts a
different perspective on it because that's really, all you can
do with today's technology and chronic pain is giving pain purpose.
Listen to the show wherever you listen to podcasts, The
Pain Game Podcast, the Pain Game Podcast on social at
(37:14):
The Pain Game Podcast. Season three is now running around
the Pain Game podcast.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
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