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May 17, 2025 • 36 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
KFI Handle here on a Saturday morning, Legal advice for
you and yours. Eight hundred five two zero one five
three four is number to call top of the hour
lines open, eight hundred five to two zero one.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Five three four. This is Handle on the law.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
This is marginal legal advice where I tell you you
have absolutely no case, which of course makes my day fine.
There's a case going on right now that's absolutely fascinating.
This has to do with immigration issues, and as you know,
the Trump administration has taken the immigration issue to a
probably the highest level of anything that Trump promised one

(00:50):
thing you have to give President Trump, and he said,
this is.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
What I'm going to do. He got elected.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
This is exactly what he said he is going to do.
So for those people that are bitching and oh my god,
this is horrible. Hey, democracy, you know, what can I
tell you? He says what he's gonna do, he gets
elected and he starts doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
So with that and we all know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
There is a case going on involving a judge in Wisconsin,
a judge who has been indicted on charges that she
tried to assist an undocumented immigrant, illegal immigrant to escape
from her courtroom. And this is a huge deal because
here comes the border patrol, right customs and Border Control,

(01:33):
and they show up because they have some information that
this guy is illegal, maybe he's accused of givening a crime,
maybe not, have no idea. So the border patrol now
and legally they're able to go and pick these people
up and then do whatever. And then after that the
issue is or they have a right to argue whether
they're going to be deported or not.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
But that's not what this issue is about.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
What she is accused of doing is helping him escape
from the border the Border control people of the border
police when they came to arrest them in the courtroom.
And what she did, she literally helped them escape. That's
the allegation that she pointed to a jury room door

(02:16):
which people other than staff or the jurors go through,
very unusual and said go through there and then you
can escape.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
That's the allegation. Well, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
You can't help escape ease, you can't help people escape
from the federal the Feds.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
You can't do it.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
And so she has been indicted for doing exactly that,
accusing her of concealing an individual to prevent an address
and arrest.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Go over there and hide and then you can leave,
you know, go through that door.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
And so when the Fed's found out, they you know,
what happened is he supposed to be here, and they
do a little investigation.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
She helped him to.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Leave, He leaves, and so now she's looking at a
possibility of six years in jail, in prison and a
three hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
But that is all.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
They always say that that you are you can do
four hundred and fifty years.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
That never happens.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
This is a non violent issue, and she won't do
anywhere near that. I don't think she even would do
any jail time. She'll get fined, and then whether or
not she gets tossed to being a judge or not.
She claims she's totally innocent. Nope, I don't know where
she's gonna go with that, because it's either she did
or she didn't. And so she's going to vindicate, be
vindicated in court, she says, can't wait because this.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Is oh and you know, showed up at the indictment.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
The US attorney, the Attorney General, which is a very
very big deal, the US Attorney General, Richard Frohling.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
That's very unusual.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Okay, let's go ahead and take some phone calls.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Leo, you're up, Hello, Leo.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
All right, Yeah, I've got a settlement coming up. Is
based on the I made.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I was talking based on what hold on. Secondly, I
didn't hear that based on.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
What based on something that happened. I don't would like
not to go into that.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, that's fine, okay, I mean it doesn't matter. Okay,
you have a settlement coming up, all right.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yes, sir, and I believe from talking to psychiatrist, psychologists
all that stuff. Yes, it affected me more deeply than
I even knew. Very Okay, So therefore, I would like
to amend the statement of everything I read so far.
I says you should bring a lawyer with you.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
What do you bring a lawyer with you? Hold on,
bring a lawyer with you?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Where to amend the statement and or explain it or
to ask for more? I'm not sure it's maybe doesn't
apply to this case, but I was just wondering would
that be?

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Okay, Well, let me ask you, have you have you
agreed to the settlement.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Have you said yes, no, I haven't signed it. No,
I haven't signed it.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Then you can do whatever the hell you want you
and then you can say no, I'm pulling it back.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I don't want it. That's not enough money left.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Them, left them the message. I want to come in
and mend my statement, but also explain how it affected me.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
So I don't think you know. I don't. It's I
don't think they care.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I mean, you can make that argument, and uh, you
know where where are you gonna make the argument. You're
gonna say, you set up a meeting. Uh, this is
an I legal issue. You simply set up a meeting.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
And you go, hey, you know what, here's why I
don't want to accept the settlement. You got to give
me more. And it's not just you negotiating.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's you saying, hey, there's some reasons here and here's why,
which actually it's not a bad idea because it's not
just you negotiating for more money.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
If they feel it's legitimate, it's legitimate.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Very good, very good, Thank you, Bill. I believe all right,
you got it.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
If you don't sign, uh, they don't have you at all. Warren, Hi,
Warren welcome.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Yes, I changed financial advisors about the year and a
half ago and they sold all my holdings at that
time and we invest them in different stocks. I have
been hit with a thirty two thousand dollars capital games.
They didn't say anything, they didn't advise me. Do I

(06:17):
have a case?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Maybe? Here's the problem. How how much power do you
give your financial advisor?

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Well, they can make decisions on my part.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Okay, well there you go. They made a decision on
your part. Now I have a financial advisor. And before
he moves either to buy a stock, to sell it,
go into a mutual fund, to turn whatever into cash,
he not only asked my permission. The way it's set up,
I have to sign off physically sign off.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's whatever arrangement you have with your financial advisor.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
And if you give your advice financial advisor all the power,
he's got all the power. Now, however did he do it?
And does he get a commission on the selling of
the stock.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
No, it's a flat sea.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, well so you're gonna be it's a flat feet
no matter what.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
So he's not benefiting by selling everything, and you've given
him the power to sell everything.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
You have the wrong financial advisor.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I mean he screwed you because didn't screw you in
terms of to his benefit financially. He screwed you by
not looking at the tax ramifications, which my financial advisor does.
Whenever there is a sayal, he calls my accountant and says,
this is effect bill's tax it bills tax statement.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
So he gave him the power. Congratulations, well done.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
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Chronic pain, which means pain all the time. And it
is horrific to see someone like that, to live with
someone like that, to suffer it, and I do that.
Lindsey suffers from chronic pain and it's tough to watch
and it feels sort of helpless.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
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Speaker 2 (08:06):
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trauma which translated into pain. And it's not over to
people who suffer, but people who deal with people who
suffer and caregivers and I.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
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Speaker 2 (08:25):
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Why And let's look at it. It's pretty extraordinary stuff.
It's the Pain Game Podcast. So let me suggest you
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(08:45):
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Speaker 1 (08:47):
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You go to at the Pain Game Podcast to subscribe
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That's the way our show works.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
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on the law, marginal legal Advice, Hello Johnny, welcome Hello.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yes, yes, I nailed something. But I had something mailed
by by way of FedEx to someone. I paid fifty
bucks for overnight delivery. It arrived five days later, so
I demanded a refund. We got the phone number. I
called customer discservice up and they're in another country and

(11:53):
they told me to call back in three days till
the paperwork comes in. Call back in three days and
I did it twice. So I went down to the
local office and they say, you got to go online,
which I don't have access to.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
So why don't you have access to?

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Wait, what do you mean you don't have a computer.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
I don't have a computer. I go down to the library.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Okay, well they'll help you.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Okay, right, well they have you know, they have computers
at the library and the library will help you.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
True.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, that's an eventuality that I was going to pursue,
other than I paid them in cash in person and
everything after well, you got.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
To receipt, right, So that's not a problem whether you
paid them in cash or not.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
You have a receipt correct, yes, okay, so that's fine,
doesn't matter how you paid them, all right. So, uh,
they're wanting to go online. You're saying, I can't go online.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
What's your question?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Well, I went, I had this idea. I was gonna
send them, look up their address and get this send
them to small claims court.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, okay, here you can do that.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
And their office is in Memphis, Tennessee. I'm in San Diego.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
No, you can also.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Do you know they have a they have an agent
for they have an agent four process here in California.
All you have to do is call the Secretary of
State and there'll be somebody or some company that you
can sue on their behalf. They because if they do
business in California, which of course they do, you have
to be able to sue in California.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
But here's your problem.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
You get to assume in small claims court for fifty bucks, right, yeah, okay,
And they say, we have a procedure where you can
get your money back. Here it is. This is how
we do it. And what are you gonna say, I
don't like the way you do it.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, but peyd them.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
How far do you think that's going to go? How
far do you think that's gonna go?

Speaker 3 (13:33):
That was a principle?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Oh yes, okay, So here's what you do, all right?
Fair enough.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
It's gonna cost you about one hundred and fifty dollars
to sue in small claims court.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
You're going to lose because the judge is going to.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Say, Johnny, you have a case, but here's how you
get your refund. And you didn't do that, Johnny, And
you're gonna say it's the principle of the thing. So
that'll be the miss. So not only gonna lose, you're
going to lose one hundred and fifty bucks where you
at are right now, and then you're gonna call me
and say, Bill, I lost the case, and I'm gonna go, yep,

(14:09):
here's why you lost it.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
So if you're gonna do a principal thing, and I
love principle of things all the time. My civil rights
have been I've been violated, what do I do? And
usually I say, you know what, there are civil rights
attorneys out there that you pay for and the retainer
usually is five thousand dollars retainer up front and then
you go to work. Isn't that worth it with the

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principal thing and people, yes, yes, yes, I give them
a name or they find a name.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
No one has ever gone forward with a principal thing.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
So either do it or suck up fifty bucks. All right,
I mean that's you know, there's your really reality. Okay,
So what happens when you have horrific, terrible breath, which
all of us do at some.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Point or another.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I wake up in the morning, I have a morning breath,
and then I drink cups of coffee.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yet it's a mess. I love garlic and onions, I
eat spicy food.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, So if I care about my breath, which occasionally
I do, the answer for me is Zelman's minty mouth.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
And I've been telling you about it.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
These little capsules that are covered with a strong minty coating.
You suck on those and then you bite into them
or swallow, and it's parsley seed oil inside the capsules
where they go to work inside your gut as well
as your mouth. So it's fresh, clean breath for hours
in your mouth and then coming from your.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Gut also fresh clean breath.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Now, they've been around for several years and they've been asked,
you know what, why don't we go beyond just mint,
how about a spearmint flavor? And they said, okay, finally,
so there is a new Spearman flavor of Zelman's minty Mouth,
and they would like you to try it until the
end of the month. Here is what they're offering. You
buy a three pack or more of the regular Zelmonds,

(15:58):
you're gonna get a free spearmint pack, like absolutely free
to give it a shot, and.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
They will run out.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's a limited run, and believe me, when they're out,
they're out. So until the end of the month, a
free spearmen pack with a purchase of a three pack
or more of regular Zelmans. Go to Zelmans dot com,
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Speaker 1 (16:28):
This is Handle on the Law. You're listening to bill
Handle on demand from KFI A M six forty.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
KFI bill Handle here on a Saturday morning, right up
until eleven o'clock eight hundred five two zero one five
three four Back we go. More Handle on the Law
Marginal Legal Advice. Hello Dana, Yes, ma'am or good morning, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Okay, what can I do for you?

Speaker 6 (16:58):
Dana Hi, it's Dina.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Well all right, go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
No, no, no, no, that's fine, thank you. I have a
lemon law case against FCA. I have an attorney. They
made an offer. My attorneys sent a counter offer months ago,
but we haven't heard back. Is there anything I can
do to push them to respond or move things along
even though my lawyer is handling the case.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
No, because they take their time and by the way,
the bigger the case, the longer it's going to take.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
So there are some issues going on. Number One, how
clear cut the lemon law violation was?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Obviously it's pretty clear cut because they've already made you
an offer. Two, it's probably a low ball offer because
your lawyer went ahead and make a counter Now what
do you do with that?

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Because the vast majority of these cases settled.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
It also has to do with the manufacturer, because you know,
who are you going after? Some companies ca very quickly
or come to the table very quickly. Others just drag
it on. Now, who are you going against?

Speaker 7 (18:05):
Chrysler?

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Chrysler got it okay, And I don't know where clite.
Chrysler stands in the hierarchy of yeah, we'll pay you
quickly or not pay you quickly, and that probably depends
also on the adjuster that is involved. So there are
a lot of parameters here. How long has this been
going on? You say, months?

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And they haven't answered yet for the counteroffer?

Speaker 6 (18:27):
Right, yes, so they made an offer in December. My
attorney counter and.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
We haven't heard that.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
It's up to your attorney to get them moving, Okay,
And they don't have to they don't have to settle
at all.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
They can sit and drag it on as long as
they want.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
And then the only issue left is the lawsuit is
filed under the Lemon Law. And that is no joke.
I mean that is a fairly big deal. And I
endorse a law firm that does just Lemon Law, and
I talk all the time to them and man and
they'll litigate. I mean, they're not shy. But you're litigating.

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You're filing a lawsuit against Chrysler.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Okay. Do you think they have an attorney or two
on retainer?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, probably, like several massive major law firms. So what
you have to go through your attorney and just ask
your attorney, Why is this taking so long? And then
say are we Are you prepared now to go ahead
and file for a trial and that that would speed
things up.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Steve Hi, Steve, Yes, thanks for my call.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
In twenty fourteen December, I had a solar company installed
expired used solar panels on my roof, and of course
I'm disabled better, and so I didn't know any better.
And they didn't produce the electric electricity, and they couldn't

(20:06):
add to them because they were expired, and they couldn't
get any more of them, and the transfer panel went
out and they took them forever to replace it, and
they kept doing just bad stuff. And yeah, finally took
the panels, took the panels off the roof, and they
didn't even know that they weren't there anymore, and they

(20:28):
were still billing me for the rest of them.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Okay, let me ask. Okay, there's a few things going
on here. This is twenty fourteen, right, you're talking.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Eleven years ago, yes, sir, Yeah, and you never knew
that the panels were not producing the kind of electricity
you anticipated.

Speaker 7 (20:45):
Oh we knew there. We sent letters, we got phone calls.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Okay, then let me ask you this, so okay, You
sent letters, you got phone calls. Did you move ahead
with any litigation, with any complaints to the appropriate authorities
if there are any, Did you start any kind of
legal action against them?

Speaker 7 (21:03):
We had no idea what to do.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, here's the problem, Steve. Innocence is no defense, because
you can do that all day long.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I had no idea what to do. So someone calls
me up about a statute issue. You know, a statute
says you have four years in which to file. That's
a breach of contract on a written contract. And here
you are five years later.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
I didn't know there was a statute bill.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
I had no idea. Well, it's sort of too bad.
And the problem you've got going Steve is number one,
you've been ripped off clearly based on what you said.
And two you know is you know there's a statute
issue there, and the fact you didn't know. Now, are
there exceptions to the statute? Maybe you've got the fact

(21:50):
maybe that you're disabled, maybe you're elderly, and there is.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Some kind of an exception. I don't know the answer
to that.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
And you're since you're a veteran and disabled, I mean
that which you're pretty high up on people who are
going to stand in line to represent you and help
you out.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
So you get to look at me.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
They're suing me for eighteen thousand dollars right now for
the panels, and the panels are on my pros.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
I understand, all right, So here's your defense.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Your defense is the panels are defective, and they can
sue me all they want. But you know, if you're
to have defective panels, now we're not talking anymore about
the statute because they're suing you, and so you have
to defend yourself, and then there may be situations where
you could collect money from them. There are plenty of
organizations out there that help veterans, particularly disabled ones, So Steve,

(22:41):
just do a little research. I'm sure that there's a
lawyer out there or lawyers organizations that help disable the
veterans who have bad solar panels, and that's where you're
going to go. The issue is fine is finding those people,
and they're easy to find.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
You have to just do some research.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
So just go on go on the internet and just
start throwing in the words, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
Would your handle on the law do it?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
No, No, that's not where you want to go. We
don't have any lawyers to do that.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, so you're gonna have to just go on the
internet and put in the uh, put in the search
words lawyer, disabled, a veteran, a solar panel, a.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Breach of contract. I mean, just throw in all the
words and you'll come up with something for sure. Uh. Bruce, Hi, Bruce?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Oh hell o bail Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (23:32):
Chicking to see if you are aware of any exemptions
from collecting the on a levee.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh, yeah, sure, they're all kinds. Yeah, there are all
kinds of exemptions.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
And you can now let me ask you you Uh,
there's a there is a judgment against you and you
have a levee going.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
Actually I am the judgment creditors.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Ah, you're the judgment creditor. Okay, have you gone after?
Do you know the bank accounts that the debtor has?

Speaker 8 (24:06):
Well, I went through the process. Sheriffs serve them, right,
And they're referring to an exemption in California.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, they're ferring there are all kinds of exemptions. Yeah,
and you get to argue that it doesn't the exemption
isn't valid because anybody can claim any exemption and if
it's I don't even do the sheriffs even pay attention
to the exemptions.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I think they do. I think they do.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
So the answer to you, Bruce is I don't know
what the exemptions are because I've never I've never had
a judgment against me, and the judgments that I've had
against people I don't even bother because they.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Don't have the money. They just don't have the money,
you know, It's that simple. So who is the.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Person that owes you money? Individual company? How much they
owe you? Do they have assets?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Are they working?

Speaker 8 (25:01):
Actually is an individual who has the money in her accounts?
Yet bank sent me a statement stating debt her accounts
are protected. Do the California exemption quote CCP, all right?

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Look it up? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Because okay, but I don't you know, great, I don't
have it in front of me.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I don't have the code in front of me.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
If I did have a code in front of me,
I wouldn't look it up because I don't care that
much about your situation. But that's an easy one. They
quoted the exemption. You can fight the exemption and you.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Just argue that's that's a bad exemption or it's not valid.
How about that huh. This is handle on the log.
Say I am six morting.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
They'll handle on a Saturday morning right up until eleven o'clock.
The number eight hundred and five two zero one five
three four. That's eight hundred five two zero one five
three four. Welcome back, hand along the law Marginal legal Advice.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Michelle, Hello, Michelle.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Hello Bill? How are you?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yes, ma'am, I'm horrible. What can I do for you?

Speaker 8 (26:17):
Okay? All right?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
So I have a question. So if if I wanted
to sue someone in small claims court and I wanted
to get an attorney, like you said, they go for
about five grand, but I'm suing for like a couple hundred,
would I be able to sue and get attorney fees
as well?

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Well, here's the problem.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
You can't have an attorney going to small claims court
representing you.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's for starters.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, and so you so you're gonna sue for a
couple of one hundred dollars and say you bring in
an attorney, all right, Now, what attorney is going to
do this unless you pay the attorney?

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Right?

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah? I mean, because remember.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
If you're talking for attorneys fees, even when you're lawyers
asking for an attorney fees, which are let's say they're legitimate.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
The court has to say, oh.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, uh, you know, so you put in ten hours
five thousand dollars at five hundred dollars an hour, and
the cart goes. Now, now I think I'll let you
do it for two thous I'll give you two thousand dollars.
And that's when attorney's fees are legit. So the answer
is a big mill Okay.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Can I can I have one more question real quick?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Okay, So on your on your website. So I was
driving on the freeway and my Kia Soul twenty eighteen,
the one that has just been blown up all over
being you know, Kia has lost like two hundred million
for the same incident. My motor cut on firewhile I
was driving. It had a tune up and oil change
three months prior. And Kia is still denying me because.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, of course they are.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yeah two point But I when I joined a class action,
and I've tried several different you know, I went online
looking and I did join one, but they're in Hanada,
so they couldn't.

Speaker 7 (28:01):
They had to, you know.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Deny me.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Now, you let me ask something if you're talking about
Kia having all those problems, I'm assuming a recall involved.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
And there is no law firm that you can find
that is filing against Kia with a class action based
on what you told me.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Well see they all have already. There's some that's already
settling at this point.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
But well, you're part of you're part of the class.
So just let the attorneys know you're part of the class.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
I haven't received no notice of anything.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
And I know it's yeah, yeah, no, I understand, but
you're still but you're still part of the class.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
So call the law firm and say what do I
do the law firm. The law firm keeps denying you.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
No, Kia, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Matter, of course. Let me tell you. Ki of course
is going to deny. Everybody denies anytime anybody assued. It's
a denial. Talk to the law.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
To me, mine just happened to me, and to the
law the ones I don't have. I don't know who's why.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
I say, look it up. Okay, No, website's not going
to help you.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Uh, you can call you can call the attorney that
does Lemon law.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
But I don't think you're under lemon law.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Uh, and the attorney may give you uh, probably will know.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
But just do a search. Just do an Internet search.
KIA class action the years? Have you done that?

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah, I've done that. I've done that. And like I said,
the one that I try to join was in Canada.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
You know what, I gotta tell you. That doesn't make
any sense.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
What's it doesn't make any sense whatsoever that in Canada
there's a class action suit, but in the United States
there isn't. So I don't know where to go on
that one. Absolutely no idea. Lisa, Hi, Lisa, welcome, go ahead, Lisa, Yes, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
What can I do for you?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Hi?

Speaker 9 (30:03):
Hi, Bill, thank you for taking my call. I have
a question for you. It's probably a very unusual circumstance
that you don't hear every day. And this is what
has been happening for the past seven years. My husband
and I, who are senior citizens and I'm disabled, have
been harassed. Our civil rights have been violated in the
most egregious way house to current to curse time by

(30:27):
different city and county agencies, including the city attorneys off.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
What are they doing?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
It started?

Speaker 9 (30:33):
Basically what they've been doing for seven years and currently
still are doing. Is they continually raid our home with
the LAPD SWAT team have done several illegal inspections on
our home approximately twenty.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Oh Hold on a minute, they're not the illegal inspections,
as you say, that is not based on a raid.
No one comes in and raids your home based on
an inspection. Have you asked why the SWAT team is
raiding your home?

Speaker 9 (31:05):
Yes, we actually hired an attorney three approximately three years ago,
who took our money, did not file our civil lawsuit
against all these agencies. She informed us in December, on
December fourth, when they were here with twenty SWAT officers
at our house to search for a rodent. Is what

(31:26):
was on the search paperwork with.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
The it was on.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
So they got a judge, they have a judge, yes,
that issue to warrant that the SWAT team can come
out and.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Search because of a rat recently.

Speaker 9 (31:41):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, So what's your question?

Speaker 9 (31:46):
The question is that because we did hire an attorney
who obviously is not how much.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Money did you pay the attorney? How much money did
you pay the attorney?

Speaker 9 (31:54):
We paid approximately twenty thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Twenty thousand dollars and no lawsuit was.

Speaker 9 (31:59):
Ever filed, No lawsuit, no restraining orders against anyone, nothing.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
What point did you at what point did you at
what point did you figure you had the wrong attorney?

Speaker 9 (32:11):
Well, she kept telling us lies and excuses, And at.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
What point did you add it after paying twenty thousand
dollars and nothing has been done, no lawsuit, no motion,
nothing has been done. At what point did you figure
out this is not a good idea?

Speaker 9 (32:28):
Oh well, I figured it out a while back, and
she's telling us she's going to actually lie.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
All right, So what your Lisa? What what Lisa? What's
your question?

Speaker 9 (32:39):
So the question is this, basically, this has been an
absolute nightmare.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
What's your question?

Speaker 3 (32:45):
What's your question?

Speaker 9 (32:46):
Arrested us?

Speaker 1 (32:47):
They arrested, they hold on, they arrested you. Yeah, Well
was the charge? What was the charge? Harboring a rat?

Speaker 9 (32:57):
The charge was that we know longer wanted these illegal inspections,
and we have the audacity to tell a temporary judge
that was on the case that they illegally filed a
civil lawsuit against us, literally because they admitted that who.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Filed the law Who is they? Who filed the lawsuit
against you?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Lisa? Who filed losses the city city attorney. So the
swat team came out. Hold on, let me get this.
The swat team came out several times.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Uh, they filed the lawsuit against you all because of
a rat.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
And Lisa, do you have any idea what a fruitcaker
sound like? Do you have any idea how nuts you sound?

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Absolutely for you, here's what you want to do. I
got it. But here's here's my legal advice.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Okay, don't miss your medication when the doctor gives it
to you. If he asks you to take it three
times a day, you've got to take it. Uh and uh,
you have to take time. I know, whatever you're at,
I would suggest now that.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, come on, give me a break. It's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I wish I had more time. This could have gone
on and on and on. She's right, I've never heard
of this. I've never heard of a swat team coming
in and a warrant because of a rat. Okay, fair enough,
why not? Okay, let me tell you about chronic pain.
Let me tell you about hurting. And if you hurt
and this is chronic, this is all the time. This

(34:27):
isn't just subbing your toe or whatever. This is constant pain,
that is that is a horrible situation. I live with
someone who is in constant pain, my wife, Lindsay, And
it is really tough to see that, to experience it,
to see what she does, to see how she deals
with it and helping people.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
And that's why she started the Paying Game podcast.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
It's her podcast that she started to help people, and
therein she helps herself by doing that. And it's about
living with chronic pain and dealing with people who have
chronic pain.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
And that's me.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I deal with someone who has chronic pain all the time.
Pain Game Podcast, Well, it's pretty amazing. It really helps.
She talks to experts, she talks to people who suffer
the way she does. She just talks to everybody about
dealing with pain. And every episode ends with a message
of hope. She's on her third episode, by the way,

(35:19):
third season, excuse me. So it's the Pain Game Podcast
and it's available wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, why
don't you subscribe and you'll get some information throughout the
week instead of just one.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Episode per week.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
It's the Pain Game Podcast and the social addresses at
the Pain Game Podcast. That's at the Pain Game podcast,
and listen to the Pain Game podcast. This is Handle
on the Law.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
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