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so if you would like some marginal legal advice, that's
what you do. You call. This is Handle on the
Law where I give you marginal legal advice and tell
you you have absolutely no case. I think I have
to put of a disclaimer on the word marginal because
I'm getting a lot of flak from people in the
living in the legal profession who are telling me I'm
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giving myself way too much credit when I use the
word marginal. So I have to go maybe to extremely
marginal marginal plus terrible. Haven't decided yet. In any case,
it's marginal plus legal advice, where I tell you have
absolutely no case. There is a study that just came
out by bank Rate. It's an organization that deals with money,
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as you would think, And what bank rate did was
analyze what states you live in and where are the
worst states that if you get a speeding ticket in
going to make your insurance rates climb more so than
any other state. So the worst state, as a matter
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of fact, the worst state to live in is North Carolina.
You get a speeding ticket and your insurance rate draw
increases almost automatically by fifty percent. In other words, if
you're paying let's say one thousand dollars a year for insurance,
which is really cheap, so let's say two thousand dollars
a year for insurance, you now get to the joys
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of paying three thousand dollars a year for insurance. Wyoming
comes in at forty percent, California comes in at forty percent,
Massachusetts at twenty eight, Illinois at twenty six. So I
mean you gotta get an increase anyway. So I mean,
depending on the state you live in. I'm not gonna
go to the bottom ones because those really don't affect you.
But this is for those people that either live in
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California because this is where I live, and I've been
doing this a long time and talking to people for
a long time about this, and this is sort of
the rule. You get a speeding ticket, and it's going
to be an automatic increase in your insurance and you're
going to get let's say it's a two hundred dollars fine,
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all right, because that's statutorily what it calls for two
hundred dollars fine. There's the law. Well, what the court
system has done is added more junk fees assessments than
you can imagine. You can triple the amount of money
that you pay. Two hundred dollars turns into basically six
hundred dollars is what you're paying on top of your
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insurance getting nailed. Now, let's say you go speeding. Is
if it's a sixty five million hour speed limit, and
let's say you're doing seventy five, maybe even eighty, that's speeding.
Now if you go above ninety, that becomes excessive speeding
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right into reckless. Now you're dealing with Oh yeah, you're
going to be paying a chunk of money. And if
you get popped for DUI, if you first time out
you get popped for driving while intoxicated, then oh man,
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welcome to California. It's going to cost you about ten
grand out of pocket. That doesn't count your insurance. And
if you want to fight it, you can add another
few thousand dollars for a lawyer. Now, why would you
fight driving while intoxicated DUI under the influence, Well, if
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you're really close, point oh eight is the legal limit,
where above point oh eight you're drunk. It doesn't matter
how good a driver you are. You can actually be
pop for drunk driving below point eight, although they rarely
do that. But if you're right there on the edge,
you can fight it sorta. And if it's radar, you
can fight it, but you have to ask for a
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recalibration of the radar gun and it's not a small deal.
And if they have you at point oh nine or
one point zero or beyond that, you're screwed anyway, and
it will cost you thousands of dollars. So not only
is there a moral issue in terms of driving under
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the influence, Yeah, I mean, what are you gonna do
go through a crosswalk and take out five kindergarteners that
are going across the street. Yeah, there's a moral issue there,
but also just the sheer stupidity of it, and the
amount is going to cost you. People don't understand how
expensive it is going to be. And then you get
to take the drunk driver course where you know they
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tell you don't drink and drive, don't drink and drive.
And I don't know how many sessions you get to
deal with that. So North Carolina, Wyoming, California, Massachusetts, Illinois,
those are the magical five top All right, phone call Bruce, Hello, Bruce, welcome,
Thank you mister handle.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yes, I was finding my own business this week and
I took what I thought was a spam call, and
it turned out to be a firm claims they locate
long lost airs to a state AH and they said,
we think you're an heir. And they mentioned my hat
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brother's name, who I haven't seen since nineteen fifty seven,
and it's quite possible that this could be true. And
they mentioned something about eighty five thousand dollars being held
by the states.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
State which state he whe, Bruce, which state?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yes, California, okay, And they said for a mere ten
percent they would handle all the paperwork and get the money.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
All right.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I don't be grudging the ten percent, but I think
it's either in Riverside County or San Bernardino County.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Is there a filing?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, let me explain what's happening. It may be legit,
by the way, because money that is left over and
they can't find whoever is entitled the money, money left
in bank accounts that no one claims when someone dies.
It is cheats to the state. That's es ch e
at s. It's cheats, which means it goes to the
state and the state holds it for a number of
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years and then it just keeps the money. It could
very well happen. But let me tell you, instead of
paying that paying that ten percent, you can look up
how to do it on the internet and you make
the claim yourself and you don't pay the ten percent,
and it's very very it's very easy to do. It's like, yeah,
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it's like those companies that will give you you can
what do you call it? Oh my god, I just
forgot it. File a claim for exemption for your house.
I'll come up with a name. You're all screaming, yeah, no,
not the home owners exemption homestead when you can file
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a homestead and anybody can file a homestead, and they said,
we'll do it and we'll charge you eighty bucks and
you're protected. Although that's crap. You're not more protected under
the law anymore anyway, but it's true. They can file
a homestead for you. Well, that costs you eight bucks
if you want to do it yourself, and it's a
form that you fill it in and they're going to
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charge you eighty five dollars for it. This one is
they've just looked up that the money is sitting there
and all they do is file, and it's a simple file,
and they're going to keep eighty five hundred dollars if
it's legitimate. And you can find out by the way
it probably is because I've gotten those before. And there
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is money, you know, checks that I was do fifteen
years ago that went into a bank account and I
couldn't figure out because I've had a couple of businesses
in Chechsico, flying back and forth and I'm kind of
sloppy with my business. So you get to look up
money is cheating to the state, your brother's name, your
name La or San Bardino County, and I would suggest
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doing it on your own. I wouldn't give up eighty
five hundred dollars for it. Okay, that's certainly what I
would do. Oh kay, let's go ahead and take a break.
We'll come back. This is handle on the lot. It
is KFI bill handle here right up until eleven o'clock,
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But I'll explain that a little bit later on. In
the meantime. We have phone lines that are open this morning.
It's kind of interesting. Eight hundred five two zero one
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the law Marginal legal advice where I tell you you
have no case? Gary? Hey, Gary, Yes, I guess.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I'm I'm post to nine years old. I'm a polygic,
and I've been and I've been given notice to evacuate
my property. I got no place to go.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Ooh yeah yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
How long can I How long can I drag this
thing out?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Okay? Well, more important, First of all, you know, it's uh,
I get a lot of these the ninety year old paraplegic,
parable paraplegic paraplegic eviction people. So I get a whole
lot of these. Okay. First of all, there's two issues here.
One is le one is is legal and you don't
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stand on very firm ground, and the other one I
may be able to help you with. So, now, when
you say you've been given a notice to go, how
much time have you been given?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You know California require.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Right, have you been given sixty days? Yes?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I just got that.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Okay, they got it. Okay, so you got sixty day.
You're on a month to month. Where do you live?
What city do you live in? Gary?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Are living a Gura?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Okay, so there's no rent control. There's no rent control
in Agura. Okay, So all right, they also have to
give you relocation money. Gary, tossing you out all right?
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, you get some money
too when you leave. Now the issue becomes they can
toss you all right, sixty days notice and for no
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reason at all. Gary. So now you're nine years old,
you I would ask you to walk down to your
local office and you'd have a hard time because you're paraplegic.
There are organizations out there gary that help people in
your position. Now, do you stand a chance legally? Probably not.
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You know the fact that you have an infirmity, the
fact that you're one hundred and thirty years old. The
law doesn't care about that. The law is the law.
There aren't exceptions under those circumstances. There's no violation of
the ADA. There's no law that says that you have
to be kept in your place. You unless you live
in ring Control, you live in the city of Los Angeles.
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You're there for the you know, until the day you die,
which is probably next week. So you get to look
for organizations that help the elderly and elder abuse organizations.
Not that this is elder abuse, but it's that same
world of which you live in. So dragging it out
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not so much. In the end. At sixty days, you
can refuse to leave. And so here's the dragging out.
You can refuse to leave. They're going to file an
unlawful detainer against you. They can't accept the rent. They're
going to sue you. You're going to answer. It's going
to take a few weeks. You're there for a few weeks.
It doesn't help your case very much. You want to
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look at those organizations that effectively will find you some
place to live. That's where you want to go. That's
what you want to concentrate in, not the legal aspects
of dragging it out. You know you can do that,
but you really have to find some place to go.
And there are people out there that will help, their
organizations out there that will help. That's the important part. Oh. Oh,
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you know what, here's another eviction problem, another eviction in
real quick. Let me go to Paul here. Hey, Paul, welcome, Hi,
good morning.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Yes, sir, I filed for an eviction on at the
beginning of the Sabilary of the industry Generality Sabilary, and
I got a judgment about eight weeks ago and they
my attorney told me that it's going to take multiple
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weeks now until the sheriff would come out after witness
the execution. Has been issues, okay. At the meantime, I
have been getting multiple death threats.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Oh from your tenant. Yes, yeah, I'm assuming you've called
the police and told them he's threatening you to kill you.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yes. In fact, I told you they wrote a report
and everything, okay, as well as I contacted my attorney's
office and and she told me that she's going to
contact with the sheriff's department.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And you can do it on your own. But that's
the size of points. So what's your question, Paul?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
My question is, unfortunately, do you took a turn in
the death threat? And can the sheriff come out sooner
than later?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Because I mean, now you're in line. You're in line
like everybody else, and they've cut all kinds of funding
for everything in law enforcement. So you call the sheriffs
to find out where you are. They should give you
an ETA eight weeks. I don't know. Should they do
it really soon? Yeah, they should, but the sheriff's take forever.
The death threat issue is how how has the death
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threat issue to you? Was it verbal? Was he crazy
enough to write an email? Did he do it in
front of witnesses? How did you get the death threat?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
That death threat is actually even with evidence and books
and evidence, I can tell you I would get a
spam phone call. First of all, that is a boocus
number and the person that starts with a different voice
than with okay.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Okay, all right, But basically now we're getting complicated. The
point is there's evidence that this guy has threatened your life? Correct?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
The evidence is exactly that. When I trust to mysel phone,
I can tell you it would show me that person
is okay, got it?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So I don't want to get into it. Does the
evidence say that this is the guy who threatened you?
That's all I want to know. If the answer is yes,
why are you waiting for your attorney to get hold
of the sheriffs. Why aren't you in front of a
sheriff and calling for a report right now and saying
here's what I have. He's threaten my life. They'll arrest
them for that.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Well, how do I do that? Because my attorney told
me I will not have access to the sheriff.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
That's why you call them up. You walk in the door,
you walk in the sheriff's office, you walk in the
precinct what they call it, you know, the sheriff's department.
There's a desk right there where someone is helping people,
and you go and say, hey, I have a death
threat and I want to report written right now, and
I want to talk to someone. That's how you do it.
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I wouldn't wait.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I reported everything on my local okay.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So what's your question?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
All right?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
All right? So what's your question, Paul.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I need to get if you have the address or
phone numb before the sheriff department.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I don't, you can look I'm sorry, Oh, I look
it up. I don't even know what city you're in,
and I'm going to look it up. You could look
it up Sheriff's department, your city, Jeez, do you have
That's what the bottom line is? Do you have the
phone number in the addrefts of the Sheriff's department in
my neighborhood? Thank you? Thank you? Oh? What did I
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Legal Advice YO Kevin, you're up. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Hey, we live in a house and we have next
door neighbors in which there are several cigarette smokers and
their smoke goes over over the fence, indoor, a patio.
Sometimes it even goes into our kitchen. Yeah, contacted a
lawyer to write a letter asking him to, you know,
maybe smoke in a different area or in the front.
They told us to pound sand.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
So what do we do?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Okay, good question. First of all, we start with you
can smoke on your property. That's the low yo. And
now can you say that somehow they're interfering with your
ability to live a reasonable life, they're interfering with your
health whatever. That's a real long shot. That's not going
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to happen. So I'm going to pull back and go
this is not legal. This is not legal. You're going
to lose this one because their defense is one, this
is our property, and we're allowed to smoke on our
property right up to the property line. So let's get
practical for a moment, okay, and let's take it away
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from anything legal. You have a it's over one part
of the fence, right, It's basically how many feet of fence.
Do you have that the smoke sort of comes over.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
From the fence to our structure is about six feet.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, and I talk about that way. I'm talking about yard. Yeah,
I'm talking about the backyard fence from front to back
and the area that they smoke in. How many feet
is that front to back?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
A big yard? I don't know how many feet? Sorry,
it's a big yard.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Okay, we have a big yard. Okay, so you have
a fence.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Where they smoke is about forty feet away from our structure.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, well that doesn't matter because the smoke is coming up.
Here's where I'm going with that. Okay. Fans are not
real expensive, and you can put whenever the hell you
want up on your side of the fence. And what
I would do is just get fans blowing the smoke
the other way, and they can't stop you from doing that.
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So you just set up and then and then when
they tell you to turn off the fans, you tell
them to go pound sand smoke someplace else. Okay, that's
what I would do. I mean, you know, you don't
want to get into a pissing match with it. Yeah
it is. I mean, that's what I would do. Said
same thing with noise. When oh, they're making too much
noise next door, What the hell do I do? We
You call the police and they're gonna come out and
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they're gonna say, we're not making too much noise. And
it's so subjective. What's too much noise? I once had
to get literally a sound engineer and set up a
meter to show decibel levels when I got into it
with the person downstairs when I had a condo. So
this is really sloppy stuff legally, as I said many times,
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sometimes the law is pretty sloppy. It's real easy. If
you're driving a car into mine and I get a
broken bone and I need surgery, I assue you there
are my damages. Or I loan you money you don't
pay it back. That's easy. This one. You know, you
know you got a right to You have a right
to smoke in your property. But it bothers me, fans fans,
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and what I did was radio radio, real loud, and
when they complain, I go, no, it's not too loud
at all. Suryl Hi Cheryl, Hello, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
So how do I verify that my dad and my
stepdad adopted me back in the eighties when he said
he did.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Ooh okay. First of all, you what you do is
you pull your birth certificate. That's the easiest thing. And
if he adopted you, California never changed it. So ah,
so therefore your birth certificate still shows that your biological
dad is the father. Yes, oh okay. That's interesting because
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when there's a step parent adoption, usually they'll change over
the birth certificate. That has been my experience. Adoption is uh.
I don't think adoption is sealed. I think it is
a I think it's an open Uh. You know, it's
a public document. Have you tried? Have you pulled that?
Have you looked under adoption records?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
How I started too with this like San Diego County,
and and I really didn't didn't get anywhere.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
It was so confusing and hold on.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I don't. I'm not going to unconfuse it because
you know, I'm not good at confusing anything. You have
to pull the records and see if the adoption took place.
Now what I used to do, what I used to
do in my surrogacy world, is be a step parent adoption.
The kid was an infant, when we would have the
court would have the birth certificate amended to show that
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the parents were the intended parents an adoption later on,
I think is a public record. You just follow the
bouncing ball. Surely you have to follow the bouncing ball.
You can't say it's confusing. Okay, it's confusing. Hell I
wake up in the morning, I try to call someone
on my phone. That's confusing. Serious. I'm sitting in front
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of the computer right now, and to set up the
phone calls where I'm looking at the computer takes like
six or seven steps. That to me is confusing. So
just figure it out. Have someone who knows that deals
with searching through court records, and you'll be and you'll
find out immediately. By the way, does it.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Matter right court records?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Let me ask you a question. Does it matter.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Interestingly enough?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (24:57):
It leads to other things.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Okay, oh that's interesting. Okay, that's and now we're not
going to get into the psychology I can legally, the
only thing is yeah, legally, the only thing that matters
is uh, if he dies doesn't leave a will, you
are not a legal relative and that would be difficult
for you to get in there. You'd be screwed. But
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if he considers you you know, if he considers you
a child and he die, oh he did die, and
then he specifically wrote my brother and I out of
the will, then there's nothing you can do. Surel if
he knew what he was doing and he did it, uh,
with cognition and wasn't out of his mind or under duress,
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you got written out of the will, understood. Not not
going into that at all, Okay, I just want to
know if you were adopted, all right, got it? But
the point is you just yeah, I know I obviously
I don't have time for that. But that gets a
little complicated. But clearly, I don't think it's that hard
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until eleven o'clock, so jump right in. Actually, you know what, No,
the cases haven't been so good this morning in terms
of you have a good case, But there have been
some very practical measures that I've told you forget about
the law. I mean, now, the law is really sloppy
on this one. Here's what actually you should do and
can do. And I think I have another one of
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those welcome back handle on the law, marginal legal advice.
Uh Nelson, Hi Nelson.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Thanks Bill.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
So I'm in California shopping for a car, and as
you know, you use the normal search engines, car Gurus,
auto Trader. All the stuff is out there, and you
look for a good deal. You're willing to drive some distance.
I used to when I go out there and it's
looked it for a certain price, and then you find
out it's actually not available for that price. They got
all these things you can't buy the car without. They
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tack on paint, warranties, whatever. And then when you ask, okay,
well I'm gonna go think about it, you can't take
the paperwork. I used to have a job where I
had to regard these kinds of things. I know there's
a law, but it seems like there's no deterrence. And
everywhere you go it's reliably the case that the car
has just been available for the price.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
What can it happens all the time, happens all the time.
You're talking about it from a dealership. Now are you
talking about from a private party?
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Well, yeah, this would be our dealership they listed on there.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, here's what they do if there is an AD. Now,
the law says that there are three cars available at
this price. If it's an AD, that's the law, okay,
And if they violate the law. I had one of
those when I was buying a car and I saw
an AD in the paper and it said three cars
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available at this incredible price.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Call this.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I call the guy and he said, yeah, come on down.
We have the car. And I said, let me tell you.
This was long Beach. I lived in LA and I said,
let me tell you something. I'm driving an outward down there.
You'd better have the car. And he came back and
he goes, oh, we just sold the car. We just
sold it. But we have great deals for you, because
that's what they do. You know. They these are bait
and switches. So what do you do? There really isn't much.
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I mean, can you file a lawsuit? Can you force
them to sell a car? But three things? If those
cars and if they don't list the cars that are available,
can you force them to sell you the car. I
don't know you're going to do that. You know, what
are your damages should have had in a car at
that time? I'm forcing you to give you the car.
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And so they go, okay, we'll sell you an equivalent,
but it's not the equivalent, and they tack on all
of this extra crap. They do that anyway. I just
uh my ex just bought a car and I went
with her, and you know how they do. You have
to do the paperwork at the end of the sale,
and you go into a little office and all they
do is hammer you to buy extra insurance. I mean,
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hammer and hammer and hammer. Can they do that? Yeah? Now,
then there really isn't much you can do except, you know,
buy a car close to you and figure they're gonna
just not do a good job representing, you know, misrepresenting you.
And that's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I know.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's a drag, isn't.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
It it is?
Speaker 6 (30:42):
They wish there'd be a way to actually enforce a
lot of.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
The Well, no, they they don't. They know, they have
so many other issues. You know, why don't you just
go why don't you just torch the dealership literally just
you know, do it at night when no one can
see you, and that'll show them, you know, let them
deal with the insurance company. They give them a hassle,
they give you a hassle. You give them more of
a hassle. Here, they deal with your insurance company. Leave
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me alone, all right?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
When they put all the pictures of this.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, I know, no, it's basically it's basically a scam.
But they're not going to the authorities. Don't enforce that stuff.
They just don't. All right, Before we bail out of here,
I want to tell you about what my wife is doing.
She lives in chronic pain. I mean lives in pain
twenty four to seven, wakes up in the morning and
just hurts. She has a pretty rare malady. And so
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there's a whole community of people who live in chronic pain.
And you may be in it, or you may know someone,
you may be treating someone. And here's what she did.
She started a podcast called The Pain Game podcast, and
that's to help people deal with pain. That's how she
deals with it, helping people deal with it in this community.
And boy does it help folks. And I've seen this.
I'm a cynic and I know I want to help people.
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This really does work. I've listened to it. I've listened
to people who have been helped by it. Every episode
ends with a message of hope and again, mister Sinek, here,
I can see it happening. And if you live in
chronic pain and the trauma related to chronic pain, it's
worth a listen. Season three just started dropping. It's the
Pain Game Podcast. The Pain Game Podcast. You can follow
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on social at the Pain Game Podcast. You can listen
to and I suggest you do the Pain Game podcast.
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