April 6, 2025 • 31 mins
Dean introduces Special Guest John Cordero from the Kitchen Store as he joins the show.
John Cordero talks about his business and how the kitchen store showroom is a playground to every customer + where cabinets came from. Dean shares some history on cabinets such as height placement of them throughout the years and how it has changed to fit the modern life. John Cordero explains the anatomy of cabinets and shares a fun fact of them too!
John Cordero talks about his business and how the kitchen store showroom is a playground to every customer + where cabinets came from. Dean shares some history on cabinets such as height placement of them throughout the years and how it has changed to fit the modern life. John Cordero explains the anatomy of cabinets and shares a fun fact of them too!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp The
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I am Dean Sharp the House Whisper. I design custom homes,
I build custom homes, and on the weekends and right
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(00:21):
place where you live. Thanks for joining us. We are
broadcasting live from Southern California right here nine a m.
Pacific Standard time today on the show, it's a great show.
Spring is here, Remodeling season is here. It is time. Yes,
it is to talk about cabinets, a massive, massive subject,
(00:44):
and we're going to do it all the justice we
can today for the next three hours, we're talking about cabinets,
specifically kitchen cabinets, but cabinets in general. And to do it,
not only do you have me, but undoubtedly the one
person in Southern California who knows more about cabinets than
I do, and that is not easy to find. By
(01:04):
the way, John Cordero from the Kitchen Store is with
me in studio. He is the coolest guy and he
is a brilliant, brilliant the cabinet maker and the operator
of the kitchen store. John, Welcome home, my friend. Good morning. Really,
hello you, I'm good. I'm good. Are you ready to
(01:25):
rock and roll on cabinets today?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Let's do it. Thank you for that great intro. Yeah, well,
I never never felt as an expert.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Thank you. Well okay, wait wait, you're a custom cabinet
maker and you operate a Southern California's Best Cabinet design showroom, sir,
but you don't consider yourself an expert. Not really.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I've been doing this for a very long time. I
grew up since age of twelve. My dad grabbed me,
took me to install, he taught me the ropes, and
been doing it ever since.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, you just take it for granted. This is what
you do. It's your trade. Pretty much. That's exactly tell
you what an expert would say. I just don't see it,
but I enjoy it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's basically what I grew up with, and I made
it my life. I made it my career, and I
enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, everybody's gonna glean from that
humble expertise of yours throughout the show, and of course
we're gonna take calls. Your calls and as we do.
You know when it comes to calls, we're talking cabinets today.
Of course you can call us about cabinet questions, but
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morning Dean. Hey he's going, bro, how's it happening. Oh
it's good. I'm hydrated and I'm awake. I was gonna
ask you, did you get the water? Did you get
the water that you needed? Did you get the water?
I'm so all right, Stay hydrated, my friend, Stay hydrated.
It's like, you know, seventy two degrees out there. It's easy.
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It's easy to get the hydrate. No, it's not just drink.
Producer Richie, like I said, is standing by. Oh he's
already taking calls. There you go. So no, nowhere near Mike.
But Richie is with us as always. And my buddy
Eileen Gonzalez is at the news desk. Good morning, Dean.
(04:16):
How's it going. It's going good. How are you this
fine Sunday morning. I'm obviously not as hydrated as the
rest of you guys, but I'm going to work on it. Well,
did you get checked with with Elmer? Because he's he
he's hydrated. I need to find some water that I'm
so picky about water. Tina is here with a picture
of water as well. What's with the hydration today? All right?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And sitting across the table from me. Well, sitting across
the table from me is a John Cordero from the
Kitchen Store. But standing next to me right now, my
better half, my design partner, my best friend in all
the world. Tina is here. Welcome home. You're you know,
the only person. You're the only radio voice I know
(05:03):
that has their own animal sound introduction. Tina loves elephants.
It's her favorite animal. And I always wonder though, if
people to ever take that the wrong way, like, you know, elephant,
like you're a tiny little thing. Just just know that
Tina is a tiny little thing. She just loves elephants.
(05:25):
It's not like, oh, here comes Tina. It's not that
I think everybody knows why. It's a great memory. Evans
don't forget anything. They don't. Oh believe me, they don't.
They don't forget anything good or bad. That's true. All right.
(05:46):
I've got to keep myself, you know, in line around here.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
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Speaker 1 (05:56):
H Sitting in studio with me today for our Big
Cabinet show. John Cordero from the Kitchen Store, one of
my favorite guys from one of my favorite vendors in
all of Southern California, the best kitchen design studio in
all of Southern California. Uh. And so if again, if
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you live anywhere anywhere in SoCal and you are planning
on getting cabinets and involved with cabinetry, you have got
to got to you really should get to the kitchen
store because you're gonna learn so many things and uh,
and you're gonna have people there, people who care for you,
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to take you through and help you get where you
need to go. And that's what we're all looking for, right,
That's why I am here to help get you through,
all right, So let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Cabinetry. Cabinets are intense. There's no more intimidating space to
create than a kitchen or a bathroom in a home.
And the beating heart of both of them cabinet. So
many decisions, so many options, so many moving parts, literally
moving parts. Cabinets have evolved a great deal since they
started out, and understanding exactly how is critical to making
(07:14):
the right choices. John, I want to introduce you first
before I dive into I'm going to give everybody a
little history of cabinets. Not not from BC no. A
relevant history, a relevant, relatively recent history, but one that
hopefully people will find interesting and also, you know, illustrative
(07:35):
of where we're at. But first of all, John Cordero,
the Kitchen Store not only a cabinet dealer, but a
custom cabinet maker. You already said you know your dad
was a cabinet maker. Still it still is, okay, So
you just grew right up in it. So that's a
little bit of your history. I mean, tell tell us
what else we need to know about you and about
(07:56):
the kitchen Store. Well, let's see the kitchen store, so
they could the store.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Basically, what I've been trying to do is create a
customer experience. We want when you walk into the store
to get an experience when you're shopping out for your kitchen.
Many choices out there, everywhere you go, there's a lot
of different choices, But when you walk into the kitchen store,
we want you to remember what you came in there for. Right,
there's a lot of stuff to play with. I always
tell the clients go ahead and play everywhere. Open up
(08:22):
all the drawers, open up the doors, slam the doors,
slam the drawers. Just you can see, get a good
feel what you're going to be purchasing. It's an investment.
It's an investment for your house. So that's the beauty
of the kitchen store, great showroom, lots of stuff to
play with. Me personally, I came up from being an installer,
so I knew how it was to put in your kitchen.
(08:44):
I knew the stress the clients would go through. Then
I started fabricating, making cabinets, so I went to the
cold construction of the cabinets and now I'm in retail.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
So it's a whole new world for me, and I
love it. Yeah, I love helping people the full spectrum.
Though you've lived the entire spectrum of cabinets all the
way through. Yes, surf is awesome, all right.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So, speaking of the spectrum of cabinets, I don't know
if a lot of you know where cabinets came from.
And I'm not talking about furniture cabinets like you know.
I mean you can find furniture from that's nine years old,
that technically a freestanding piece of furniture is technically a cabinet.
I'm talking about functional, utility based kitchen cabinets in the
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United States, It all starts with the Hoosier. You guys
know what a Hoosier is, Okay, A Hoosier is somebody
from Indiana. Okay, But a Hoo's your cabinet, right eighteen nineties.
A lot of people don't realize this about to home design,
especially here in the States, but it was the only
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in the early nineteen teens and twenties that the even
the concept of the built in cabinet began growing. All Right,
So if you've got eighteen nineties house, which is a
house is that Tina and I have worked on? You know,
you don't have in those homes. You walk into the kitchen.
(10:09):
The kitchen's a room, and the kitchen table it's a
table just sitting in the kitchen, free standing stove, maybe
a wood stove or a coal stove over there, free
standing sink over there, and a larger maybe a pantry
room attached to it. That's the kitchen, lined in tile
with a big old table in the middle. Okay. Then
(10:32):
along comes this company, the Sellar's Furniture Company from Elwood, Indiana.
In the eighteen ninety eight they introduce a piece of
free standing furniture like no other piece of furniture anybody
has ever seen. It's a Hoosier cabinet. All right. It
is a cabinet. It's about four feet wide, it's about
twenty two inches deep, it's about six feet tall. It
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has a retractable extending countertop that slides out, usually a
steel porcelain covered countertop that slides out for more workspace available.
These have built in flower sifters in the upper portion
of the cabinets they've got. Some of them have tamboor doors.
A tamboor door is a rolltop door, right, a kind
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of door that rolls, made out of slats of wood
built in on the inside of the upper doors. Shopping
list and measurement conversion charts, bread drawers, specialized bread drawers,
specialized spice rack. Okay, this is a Hoosier And if
you're still having trouble picturing it, I guarantee you just
(11:37):
go right now to your computer, look it up on
your phone. Just just google who's your cabinet, and you'll
see exactly what I'm talking about. All right? How popular
were these? What kind of an innovation? This was such
a useful utility. The seller's company started selling by the
hundreds and then thousands, and then other furniture companies, specific
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the most famous one, the Hoosier Manufacturing Company of Albany, Indiana,
got involved. Multiple millions of these cabinets were sold from
the late eighteen nineties until the early ninth and probably
about nineteen thirty. And why did they stop being sold
in nineteen thirty Because the utility of the Hoosier cabinet
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standing in the kitchen. People started figuring out. Builders started
figuring out, well, heck, we should just start building these
features into a kitchen right up against the wall, built
in cabinets with even more counter space, more upper space,
more storage space. And essentially you look at a Who's
your cabinet, you'll be able to see, oh, yeah, that
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is the ancestor, that is the progenitor of the modern
kitchen cabinet in America, the Hoo's your cabinet. It all
goes back to the turn of the twentieth century. From there,
lots of exciting adventures happened. We kind of figured out
there were all sorts of shapes and sizes. Cabinets were
(13:05):
not uniform. They changed from house to house. There was
no standards anywhere. Then we get into the late thirties,
the early forties, and World War two hits and after
the war, the building boom, the track building boom across
the United States begged for some kind of uniformity, and
(13:26):
so standards were set up, and I'll talk to you
a little bit about that when we come back. How
did we arrive at thirty six inches for a standard countertop? Okay,
how did we arrive at twenty four inch depths and
twelve inch deep uppers? And the general configuration that you
understand is a kitchen cabinet, and the various forms of
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kitchen cabinets face frame cabinets, which of course were the
standard for American cabinets at the beginning, but out of
Europe after World War Two came this frameless what we
call euro style. Now we call it full access, because
frameless means something's missing. I think we'd let go of
that marketing thing because it sounds like it's less than
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But so now we call them full access cabinets. But
they are a kind of cabinet that doesn't have a
face frame. And there's a reason for that that has
everything to do with World War two as well. We're
gonna talk about all of this and then we're gonna
get into the anatomy of cabinets so that you understand
it better. We'll run through that today. Plus John is
gonna from his vast experience share what you as a
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homeowner should be looking for, should be wary of what
you are likely going to get stuck on, and need
to move through everything cabinet related, and we will continue.
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I hope that's what you love about calls as well.
We're talking kitchen cabinets today with my special in studio guest,
John Cordero from the Kitchen Store. We're going to die
back down into that in just a second. But when
it comes to calls, you get to set the agenda.
Anything anything about your home outside, inside, landscape, hardscape, architecture,
(15:57):
you want to talk froofy, architectural theory, totally fine with me.
We can talk about it all day long. Do you
want me to help you fix your leaky toilet? I
can help you with that too, and everything in between
those two extremes. All right, the full spectrum, that's what
I'm here for. All right, let's dive back in, John
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to I promised everybody I was going to talk a
little bit more about the history of cabinet, just setting
it all up here. So we talked about the Hoosier
cabinet being the really the first true American kitchen cabinet.
It was a piece of furniture technically and then, but
it was such a utilitarian device that builders started building
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those kinds of cabinets into the kitchen room and really
turning it into taking on the shape of what we
understand as the modern kitchen is today. And then another
big change came World War two. World War two hit
and after the war, post war, there was this massive
tracked building boom across the United States. I mean literally
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millions of homes being built and built in kitchen cabinets
were the thing. They were the thing, and that's when
it really really took off, and not just the typical
face frame American style cabinet, a cabinet that has, in
addition to the box construction, there is a hardwood face
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frame on the front that the doors and drawers are
actually hung off of and operating through. But out of
Europe came what we now call the full access cabinet.
At the when we were first introduced to it was
frameless or euro style cabinetry, and that is a kind
of cabinet that doesn't have a face frame. It has
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full overlay doors and drawers so that they all touch
each other and you never see the frame if it
was there anyway. And the reason for that was very
simply that Europe was going through a building boom because
they were rebuilding, rebuilding a Europe that was bombed out,
you know, had completely been devastated by the war. Lumber
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shortage is everywhere. And some brilliant person whose name I
cannot recall at the time, some brilliant person said, hey,
we could save on lumber with cabinetry if we could
just redesign the cabinets in a way where we can
attach the doors and the drawers directly to the cabinet boxes.
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Let the doors and the drawers be the whole show
up front, and we wouldn't have to build that face
frame on the front. We could save a lot of lumber.
And so, because of the lumber crisis, the lumber shortage
post World War Two, the frameless, full access eurostyle cabinet
was born. And then what about the standards, Well, that
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was mostly an American thing, the standards of like, well,
why exactly is a standard American cabinet thirty six inch
countertop height? Why is it thirty six inches? Okay, Well,
it was a study conducted at the University of Illinois
in the nineteen forties based on the average height I'm
(19:13):
sorry to say of women at the time, because it
was like who's going to be in the kitchen. Women,
women will be in the kitchen. I know, John, right,
it's like right, it's just like that does not that
does not work with today's world. But I'm just telling
this is the truth. I'm not rewriting history here. Study
University of Illinois, nineteen forties. The average height of women
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at the time five foot three inches average height of
the American woman, and therefore it was concluded that thirty
six inches was an optimal countertop height for the average
American woman. The current average height of American women, by
the way, five foot five But you know American women
are growing taller. But the point is this, that doesn't
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matter anymore. Men are in the kitchen, women are in
the kitchen. Nobody's in the kitchen. Who you know, everybody's
in the kitchen. It doesn't matter now what is most
important And this is going to lead to another conversation
I hope later in the show, but I want everybody
to listen to me right now. It is now understood.
Like if you ask the American Culinary Institute what is
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the optimal countertop height, they are not going to tell
you thirty six or they're not going to give you
a fixed number. They are going to tell you that
the optimal counter height for culinary prep work is a
human being standing upright, comfortably, fully upright, bend your elbows
at ninety degrees and measure three to four inches below
(20:39):
your bent elbow. Three to four inches below a ninety
degree bent elbow while you are comfortably standing upright is
your optimal countertop height for spending the day in the kitchen. Okay,
which is why, as a designer of homes and kitchens,
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I have in for many years now encouraged our clients
mix it up a little bit. Okay, you can put
you could have you can have a kitchen with multiple
countertop heights. Okay, you can have your standard thirty six
and we've got standard thirty six inch counters in our
kitchen where the sink is and you know where most
(21:20):
everybody goes and stuff our island, though in the center
where I do most of my cooking and prep work
is forty two inches because I'm six three, and that
actually is not it's a little bit more than four
inches below my elbow. But Tina is not six', three,
Okay and so that's a good compromise between the two of.
(21:41):
Us it's a little higher than, normal so That i'm
comfortable all. Day it's a little higher than. Normal she's
totally comfortable with. It and that's where we do all
of our prep. Work and, now for the first time
in my, life because of this kitchen, ISLAND i can
stand in the kitchen all day AND i get that
little ache in my back from bending over that little
few degrees that just just kills. You so that's. It
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and and if you do a lot of, baking do
a lot of, baking then the opposite is. True the
optimal countertop HiPE for baking is actually like a regular
table height of thirty. Inches and the reason is if
you're kneading, dough you want that countertop lower so that
you're getting your locked arms leaning over right and you
don't have to use your muscles as. Much you can
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just use your body weight and knead that dough and
roll it. Out so you're a, baker you're looking for
thirty inch. Counters everybody universally kind of going for the thirty.
Six if you're, taller you want to go for something
like forty to forty. Two sky's the. Limit these, days
you can have the kitchen cabinets that you, want but
that gives you some perspective of where this all comes. From,
(22:50):
okay that's funny how you mentioned forty two.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Inches that's bartip pipe bar top HiPE thirty inches typical.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Desk exactly exactly Two when you think about, bartender who's
just working it all day, long, right forty two inches
it's great bar top, height but it's it's it's my
island prep hith for. Me just it just works, perfect all,
right y'all when we come, back we will. THEN i
think it's Time john to start kind of pulling apart
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the anatomy of, cabinets especially when it comes to, boxes
because there's a lot of different materials that cabinet boxes
can be made of that people should be very wary. Of,
yes and there's one material that they should be demanding almost,
always right when it comes to cabinet, boxes and we'll
talk about. That don't go. Anywhere you are about to
(23:42):
learn everything you need to know about your kitchen. Cabinets
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the top of the. Hour all, RIGHT i am here
in studio with my in studio, Guest John cordero from
The Kitchen. Store we are talking all things kitchen. Cabinetry.
Today we've given you a history of, cabinets, including, uh you,
(24:39):
know tidbits about countertop heights and things that you can.
DO i want to get into the anatomy of a, Cabinet,
john h can you break down for everybody kind of
what you? Know what is A cabinets are a composite
of many different, things, Uh and so just give us
an overall an overview of a cabinet box or you,
(25:00):
know a cabinet. Unit so typically cabinet.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Boxes you got your plywood, box which is basically the
carcass of your. Cabinet right then they're either way in the,
front either if you're doing a full, access you're either
going to have an edge, tape depending on the color
you're doing.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Edge, tape meaning that if it's a full, access it
doesn't have a, Frame and so we put like a
veneer tape on the front of the box. Itself, Okay
so or you could do a.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Frame you could do a, frame a solid, frame always,
good looks. Great and then you got your, doors you
got your, hinges you got your drawer. Boxes drawer boxes
come in either, dovetail plywood, boxes melamine. Boxes and you
got your, runners your, slides your, hinges and don't forget your,
hardware your.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Handles then that's a. CABINET i mean that's a. Cabinet
and between all of those things there are so many
combinations of, things so many.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Configurations, configurations accessories which you could put inside of. Them
fun things you could do with, them automatic trash can.
OPENERS i got a one fact for, you all, Right i'm.
Ready you were mentioning full, access how it came From. Europe,
yes you forgot to mention that the reason they created
those cabinets, too was so they could take them with.
Them so once they that's so true with.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Them, yeah you know that is a that is an
absolutely true fact and that is still to this day
a difference in the way That europeans move than, uh
than the way we operate. Here right. Uh the idea
that that that those cabinets can come with, You you
know that laminate floors Like pergo which was A Swedish
swiss Or Sweetish, swedish they got popular. Here but to
(26:38):
realize that the whole idea of a Wood i'm using
my air quotes wood, floor a floating, floor that's like.
Carpeting right In, europe when you, move you would disassemble
that click clock for and take it with. You you
just bring your flooring to the next. House people In
europe they they pull their, Toilets they they they pull
(26:58):
all of their fixtures and the and move them to
the next. Place so it's not it's not like here
where we leave everything behind and we go find out
what toilets have been purchased for us at the new. House,
right and cabinets. Included that was a big part of.
IT i think that's a big thing In.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
GERMANY i think In germany you have to take your
cabinets when you move, out like it's required by. Law,
like once you, move you take your cabinets with you
because a new family coming in has to put in
their own.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Cabinets that's just that's so bizarre to us. Here, yes
that's so. Weird, yeah that is so. Weird uh but,
yeah and and therefore the idea of the of a no,
frame because a frame unifies all those, boxes right the face,
frame you, know could could could stretch across multiple boxes
and make that whole. Hassle so the idea of the
(27:43):
frameless that every box could be unscrewed from the next
box and all those units could be broken down and
popped into THE i don't, know moving, truck train cart, whatever,
yeah whatever they use over. There all, Right, so uh
so you gave us an outline of the anatomy of
a basic, cabinet kind of three basic categories of, cabinets,
(28:07):
Right you got base, cabinets which, again like we, said
are typically not absolutely but typically twenty four inches, deep
thirty six inches, tall thirty six inches with thirty four
and a half inches tall the cabinet. Itself, okay plus
we're going to put a subtop on top of that
cabinet and another piece of stone or tie or, whatever
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so the cabinet itself is thirty four and a half inches,
tall and then we allow for an inch and a
half of countertop material to typically go. There that brings
us to thirty six inches in the, finish so twenty
four inches, deep various, widths all sorts of. Configurations then
you've got wall cabinets or upper, cabinets. Right the uppers
(28:50):
that hang up above those typically twelve inches, deep various
widths and, configurations either thirty six more often these days
we go for forty two inch tall standard uppers because
that accommodates that gives you a full cabinet all the
way up to the top of an eight foot. Ceiling.
Uh and then uh and then you've got your full height,
(29:11):
cabinets floor two ceiling, cabinets the things that hold the
double ovens and the pantries and and all of those
are your basic kind of super basic working. Configurations right?
Much DID i DID i skip anything? There? NO i
think you got everything all?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Right all?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Right and as we're talking about bathroom, cabinets oh, yeah
there you, go there you. Go bathroom cabinets are a
little different, Animal, Okay, uh SO i want it when
we when we returned to this. CONVERSATION i want to
talk about the kinds of materials that those things are
made out of and the things that you. Love you
AND i were having a conversation during the break that,
(29:50):
like for, instance plywood, boxes all plywood for the actual
cabinet carcass box is a safe bet all. Around american
manu factors lean that way for their high end, stuff
and we've leaned away traditionally from particle board because particle
board has been in the past very disappointing in a
lot of different. Ways it's been typically the indicator of cheaper.
(30:15):
CABINETS bu that may be changing, now, yeah a little
bit changing in some. Ways in some, ways in some
instances changing particle board may actually step ahead of plywood
in some. APPLICATIONS i know that makes it, confusing but
we're just telling you that's the. Truth so we're all
going to learn some things this morning when we come, back.
(30:35):
Though you know, what Maybe i'll rest my brain here
and take a couple of. Calls how's that sound all?
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Spring is here, Remodeling season is here. It is time. Yes,
it is to talk about cabinets, a massive, massive subject,
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and we're going to do it all the justice we
can today for the next three hours, we're talking about cabinets,
specifically kitchen cabinets, but cabinets in general. And to do it,
not only do you have me, but undoubtedly the one
person in Southern California who knows more about cabinets than
I do, and that is not easy to find. By
(01:04):
the way, John Cordero from the Kitchen Store is with
me in studio. He is the coolest guy and he
is a brilliant, brilliant the cabinet maker and the operator
of the kitchen store. John, Welcome home, my friend. Good morning. Really,
hello you, I'm good. I'm good. Are you ready to
(01:25):
rock and roll on cabinets today?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Let's do it. Thank you for that great intro. Yeah, well,
I never never felt as an expert.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Thank you. Well okay, wait wait, you're a custom cabinet
maker and you operate a Southern California's Best Cabinet design showroom, sir,
but you don't consider yourself an expert. Not really.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I've been doing this for a very long time. I
grew up since age of twelve. My dad grabbed me,
took me to install, he taught me the ropes, and
been doing it ever since.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, you just take it for granted. This is what
you do. It's your trade. Pretty much. That's exactly tell
you what an expert would say. I just don't see it,
but I enjoy it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's basically what I grew up with, and I made
it my life. I made it my career, and I
enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, everybody's gonna glean from that
humble expertise of yours throughout the show, and of course
we're gonna take calls. Your calls and as we do.
You know when it comes to calls, we're talking cabinets today.
Of course you can call us about cabinet questions, but
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(02:32):
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How's it going. It's going good. How are you this
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did you get checked with with Elmer? Because he's he
he's hydrated. I need to find some water that I'm
so picky about water. Tina is here with a picture
of water as well. What's with the hydration today? All right?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And sitting across the table from me. Well, sitting across
the table from me is a John Cordero from the
Kitchen Store. But standing next to me right now, my
better half, my design partner, my best friend in all
the world. Tina is here. Welcome home. You're you know,
the only person. You're the only radio voice I know
(05:03):
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It's her favorite animal. And I always wonder though, if
people to ever take that the wrong way, like, you know, elephant,
like you're a tiny little thing. Just just know that
Tina is a tiny little thing. She just loves elephants.
(05:25):
It's not like, oh, here comes Tina. It's not that
I think everybody knows why. It's a great memory. Evans
don't forget anything. They don't. Oh believe me, they don't.
They don't forget anything good or bad. That's true. All right.
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I've got to keep myself, you know, in line around here.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
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Speaker 1 (05:56):
H Sitting in studio with me today for our Big
Cabinet show. John Cordero from the Kitchen Store, one of
my favorite guys from one of my favorite vendors in
all of Southern California, the best kitchen design studio in
all of Southern California. Uh. And so if again, if
(06:17):
you live anywhere anywhere in SoCal and you are planning
on getting cabinets and involved with cabinetry, you have got
to got to you really should get to the kitchen
store because you're gonna learn so many things and uh,
and you're gonna have people there, people who care for you,
(06:39):
to take you through and help you get where you
need to go. And that's what we're all looking for, right,
That's why I am here to help get you through,
all right, So let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Cabinetry. Cabinets are intense. There's no more intimidating space to
create than a kitchen or a bathroom in a home.
And the beating heart of both of them cabinet. So
many decisions, so many options, so many moving parts, literally
moving parts. Cabinets have evolved a great deal since they
started out, and understanding exactly how is critical to making
(07:14):
the right choices. John, I want to introduce you first
before I dive into I'm going to give everybody a
little history of cabinets. Not not from BC no. A
relevant history, a relevant, relatively recent history, but one that
hopefully people will find interesting and also, you know, illustrative
(07:35):
of where we're at. But first of all, John Cordero,
the Kitchen Store not only a cabinet dealer, but a
custom cabinet maker. You already said you know your dad
was a cabinet maker. Still it still is, okay, So
you just grew right up in it. So that's a
little bit of your history. I mean, tell tell us
what else we need to know about you and about
(07:56):
the kitchen Store. Well, let's see the kitchen store, so
they could the store.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Basically, what I've been trying to do is create a
customer experience. We want when you walk into the store
to get an experience when you're shopping out for your kitchen.
Many choices out there, everywhere you go, there's a lot
of different choices, But when you walk into the kitchen store,
we want you to remember what you came in there for. Right,
there's a lot of stuff to play with. I always
tell the clients go ahead and play everywhere. Open up
(08:22):
all the drawers, open up the doors, slam the doors,
slam the drawers. Just you can see, get a good
feel what you're going to be purchasing. It's an investment.
It's an investment for your house. So that's the beauty
of the kitchen store, great showroom, lots of stuff to
play with. Me personally, I came up from being an installer,
so I knew how it was to put in your kitchen.
(08:44):
I knew the stress the clients would go through. Then
I started fabricating, making cabinets, so I went to the
cold construction of the cabinets and now I'm in retail.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
So it's a whole new world for me, and I
love it. Yeah, I love helping people the full spectrum.
Though you've lived the entire spectrum of cabinets all the
way through. Yes, surf is awesome, all right.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So, speaking of the spectrum of cabinets, I don't know
if a lot of you know where cabinets came from.
And I'm not talking about furniture cabinets like you know.
I mean you can find furniture from that's nine years old,
that technically a freestanding piece of furniture is technically a cabinet.
I'm talking about functional, utility based kitchen cabinets in the
(09:26):
United States, It all starts with the Hoosier. You guys
know what a Hoosier is, Okay, A Hoosier is somebody
from Indiana. Okay, But a Hoo's your cabinet, right eighteen nineties.
A lot of people don't realize this about to home design,
especially here in the States, but it was the only
(09:47):
in the early nineteen teens and twenties that the even
the concept of the built in cabinet began growing. All Right,
So if you've got eighteen nineties house, which is a
house is that Tina and I have worked on? You know,
you don't have in those homes. You walk into the kitchen.
(10:09):
The kitchen's a room, and the kitchen table it's a
table just sitting in the kitchen, free standing stove, maybe
a wood stove or a coal stove over there, free
standing sink over there, and a larger maybe a pantry
room attached to it. That's the kitchen, lined in tile
with a big old table in the middle. Okay. Then
(10:32):
along comes this company, the Sellar's Furniture Company from Elwood, Indiana.
In the eighteen ninety eight they introduce a piece of
free standing furniture like no other piece of furniture anybody
has ever seen. It's a Hoosier cabinet. All right. It
is a cabinet. It's about four feet wide, it's about
twenty two inches deep, it's about six feet tall. It
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has a retractable extending countertop that slides out, usually a
steel porcelain covered countertop that slides out for more workspace available.
These have built in flower sifters in the upper portion
of the cabinets they've got. Some of them have tamboor doors.
A tamboor door is a rolltop door, right, a kind
(11:17):
of door that rolls, made out of slats of wood
built in on the inside of the upper doors. Shopping
list and measurement conversion charts, bread drawers, specialized bread drawers,
specialized spice rack. Okay, this is a Hoosier And if
you're still having trouble picturing it, I guarantee you just
(11:37):
go right now to your computer, look it up on
your phone. Just just google who's your cabinet, and you'll
see exactly what I'm talking about. All right? How popular
were these? What kind of an innovation? This was such
a useful utility. The seller's company started selling by the
hundreds and then thousands, and then other furniture companies, specific
(12:00):
the most famous one, the Hoosier Manufacturing Company of Albany, Indiana,
got involved. Multiple millions of these cabinets were sold from
the late eighteen nineties until the early ninth and probably
about nineteen thirty. And why did they stop being sold
in nineteen thirty Because the utility of the Hoosier cabinet
(12:22):
standing in the kitchen. People started figuring out. Builders started
figuring out, well, heck, we should just start building these
features into a kitchen right up against the wall, built
in cabinets with even more counter space, more upper space,
more storage space. And essentially you look at a Who's
your cabinet, you'll be able to see, oh, yeah, that
(12:44):
is the ancestor, that is the progenitor of the modern
kitchen cabinet in America, the Hoo's your cabinet. It all
goes back to the turn of the twentieth century. From there,
lots of exciting adventures happened. We kind of figured out
there were all sorts of shapes and sizes. Cabinets were
(13:05):
not uniform. They changed from house to house. There was
no standards anywhere. Then we get into the late thirties,
the early forties, and World War two hits and after
the war, the building boom, the track building boom across
the United States begged for some kind of uniformity, and
(13:26):
so standards were set up, and I'll talk to you
a little bit about that when we come back. How
did we arrive at thirty six inches for a standard countertop? Okay,
how did we arrive at twenty four inch depths and
twelve inch deep uppers? And the general configuration that you
understand is a kitchen cabinet, and the various forms of
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kitchen cabinets face frame cabinets, which of course were the
standard for American cabinets at the beginning, but out of
Europe after World War Two came this frameless what we
call euro style. Now we call it full access, because
frameless means something's missing. I think we'd let go of
that marketing thing because it sounds like it's less than
(14:10):
But so now we call them full access cabinets. But
they are a kind of cabinet that doesn't have a
face frame. And there's a reason for that that has
everything to do with World War two as well. We're
gonna talk about all of this and then we're gonna
get into the anatomy of cabinets so that you understand
it better. We'll run through that today. Plus John is
gonna from his vast experience share what you as a
(14:31):
homeowner should be looking for, should be wary of what
you are likely going to get stuck on, and need
to move through everything cabinet related, and we will continue.
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The numeral to ask Dean. You know what I love
about calls. You can ask me anything you want, and
I hope that's what you love about calls as well.
We're talking kitchen cabinets today with my special in studio guest,
John Cordero from the Kitchen Store. We're going to die
back down into that in just a second. But when
it comes to calls, you get to set the agenda.
Anything anything about your home outside, inside, landscape, hardscape, architecture,
(15:57):
you want to talk froofy, architectural theory, totally fine with me.
We can talk about it all day long. Do you
want me to help you fix your leaky toilet? I
can help you with that too, and everything in between
those two extremes. All right, the full spectrum, that's what
I'm here for. All right, let's dive back in, John
(16:18):
to I promised everybody I was going to talk a
little bit more about the history of cabinet, just setting
it all up here. So we talked about the Hoosier
cabinet being the really the first true American kitchen cabinet.
It was a piece of furniture technically and then, but
it was such a utilitarian device that builders started building
(16:40):
those kinds of cabinets into the kitchen room and really
turning it into taking on the shape of what we
understand as the modern kitchen is today. And then another
big change came World War two. World War two hit
and after the war, post war, there was this massive
tracked building boom across the United States. I mean literally
(17:04):
millions of homes being built and built in kitchen cabinets
were the thing. They were the thing, and that's when
it really really took off, and not just the typical
face frame American style cabinet, a cabinet that has, in
addition to the box construction, there is a hardwood face
(17:24):
frame on the front that the doors and drawers are
actually hung off of and operating through. But out of
Europe came what we now call the full access cabinet.
At the when we were first introduced to it was
frameless or euro style cabinetry, and that is a kind
of cabinet that doesn't have a face frame. It has
(17:46):
full overlay doors and drawers so that they all touch
each other and you never see the frame if it
was there anyway. And the reason for that was very
simply that Europe was going through a building boom because
they were rebuilding, rebuilding a Europe that was bombed out,
you know, had completely been devastated by the war. Lumber
(18:09):
shortage is everywhere. And some brilliant person whose name I
cannot recall at the time, some brilliant person said, hey,
we could save on lumber with cabinetry if we could
just redesign the cabinets in a way where we can
attach the doors and the drawers directly to the cabinet boxes.
(18:30):
Let the doors and the drawers be the whole show
up front, and we wouldn't have to build that face
frame on the front. We could save a lot of lumber.
And so, because of the lumber crisis, the lumber shortage
post World War Two, the frameless, full access eurostyle cabinet
was born. And then what about the standards, Well, that
(18:52):
was mostly an American thing, the standards of like, well,
why exactly is a standard American cabinet thirty six inch
countertop height? Why is it thirty six inches? Okay, Well,
it was a study conducted at the University of Illinois
in the nineteen forties based on the average height I'm
(19:13):
sorry to say of women at the time, because it
was like who's going to be in the kitchen. Women,
women will be in the kitchen. I know, John, right,
it's like right, it's just like that does not that
does not work with today's world. But I'm just telling
this is the truth. I'm not rewriting history here. Study
University of Illinois, nineteen forties. The average height of women
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at the time five foot three inches average height of
the American woman, and therefore it was concluded that thirty
six inches was an optimal countertop height for the average
American woman. The current average height of American women, by
the way, five foot five But you know American women
are growing taller. But the point is this, that doesn't
(19:56):
matter anymore. Men are in the kitchen, women are in
the kitchen. Nobody's in the kitchen. Who you know, everybody's
in the kitchen. It doesn't matter now what is most
important And this is going to lead to another conversation
I hope later in the show, but I want everybody
to listen to me right now. It is now understood.
Like if you ask the American Culinary Institute what is
(20:17):
the optimal countertop height, they are not going to tell
you thirty six or they're not going to give you
a fixed number. They are going to tell you that
the optimal counter height for culinary prep work is a
human being standing upright, comfortably, fully upright, bend your elbows
at ninety degrees and measure three to four inches below
(20:39):
your bent elbow. Three to four inches below a ninety
degree bent elbow while you are comfortably standing upright is
your optimal countertop height for spending the day in the kitchen. Okay,
which is why, as a designer of homes and kitchens,
(21:00):
I have in for many years now encouraged our clients
mix it up a little bit. Okay, you can put
you could have you can have a kitchen with multiple
countertop heights. Okay, you can have your standard thirty six
and we've got standard thirty six inch counters in our
kitchen where the sink is and you know where most
(21:20):
everybody goes and stuff our island, though in the center
where I do most of my cooking and prep work
is forty two inches because I'm six three, and that
actually is not it's a little bit more than four
inches below my elbow. But Tina is not six', three,
Okay and so that's a good compromise between the two of.
(21:41):
Us it's a little higher than, normal so That i'm
comfortable all. Day it's a little higher than. Normal she's
totally comfortable with. It and that's where we do all
of our prep. Work and, now for the first time
in my, life because of this kitchen, ISLAND i can
stand in the kitchen all day AND i get that
little ache in my back from bending over that little
few degrees that just just kills. You so that's. It
(22:05):
and and if you do a lot of, baking do
a lot of, baking then the opposite is. True the
optimal countertop HiPE for baking is actually like a regular
table height of thirty. Inches and the reason is if
you're kneading, dough you want that countertop lower so that
you're getting your locked arms leaning over right and you
don't have to use your muscles as. Much you can
(22:26):
just use your body weight and knead that dough and
roll it. Out so you're a, baker you're looking for
thirty inch. Counters everybody universally kind of going for the thirty.
Six if you're, taller you want to go for something
like forty to forty. Two sky's the. Limit these, days
you can have the kitchen cabinets that you, want but
that gives you some perspective of where this all comes. From,
(22:50):
okay that's funny how you mentioned forty two.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Inches that's bartip pipe bar top HiPE thirty inches typical.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Desk exactly exactly Two when you think about, bartender who's
just working it all day, long, right forty two inches
it's great bar top, height but it's it's it's my
island prep hith for. Me just it just works, perfect all,
right y'all when we come, back we will. THEN i
think it's Time john to start kind of pulling apart
(23:18):
the anatomy of, cabinets especially when it comes to, boxes
because there's a lot of different materials that cabinet boxes
can be made of that people should be very wary. Of,
yes and there's one material that they should be demanding almost,
always right when it comes to cabinet, boxes and we'll
talk about. That don't go. Anywhere you are about to
(23:42):
learn everything you need to know about your kitchen. Cabinets
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(24:18):
want to talk about your. Home i'm, Here i'm, Here
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the top of the. Hour all, RIGHT i am here
in studio with my in studio, Guest John cordero from
The Kitchen. Store we are talking all things kitchen. Cabinetry.
Today we've given you a history of, cabinets, including, uh you,
(24:39):
know tidbits about countertop heights and things that you can.
DO i want to get into the anatomy of a, Cabinet,
john h can you break down for everybody kind of
what you? Know what is A cabinets are a composite
of many different, things, Uh and so just give us
an overall an overview of a cabinet box or you,
(25:00):
know a cabinet. Unit so typically cabinet.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Boxes you got your plywood, box which is basically the
carcass of your. Cabinet right then they're either way in the,
front either if you're doing a full, access you're either
going to have an edge, tape depending on the color
you're doing.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Edge, tape meaning that if it's a full, access it
doesn't have a, Frame and so we put like a
veneer tape on the front of the box. Itself, Okay
so or you could do a.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Frame you could do a, frame a solid, frame always,
good looks. Great and then you got your, doors you
got your, hinges you got your drawer. Boxes drawer boxes
come in either, dovetail plywood, boxes melamine. Boxes and you
got your, runners your, slides your, hinges and don't forget your,
hardware your.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Handles then that's a. CABINET i mean that's a. Cabinet
and between all of those things there are so many
combinations of, things so many.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Configurations, configurations accessories which you could put inside of. Them
fun things you could do with, them automatic trash can.
OPENERS i got a one fact for, you all, Right i'm.
Ready you were mentioning full, access how it came From. Europe,
yes you forgot to mention that the reason they created
those cabinets, too was so they could take them with.
Them so once they that's so true with.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Them, yeah you know that is a that is an
absolutely true fact and that is still to this day
a difference in the way That europeans move than, uh
than the way we operate. Here right. Uh the idea
that that that those cabinets can come with, You you
know that laminate floors Like pergo which was A Swedish
swiss Or Sweetish, swedish they got popular. Here but to
(26:38):
realize that the whole idea of a Wood i'm using
my air quotes wood, floor a floating, floor that's like.
Carpeting right In, europe when you, move you would disassemble
that click clock for and take it with. You you
just bring your flooring to the next. House people In
europe they they pull their, Toilets they they they pull
(26:58):
all of their fixtures and the and move them to
the next. Place so it's not it's not like here
where we leave everything behind and we go find out
what toilets have been purchased for us at the new. House,
right and cabinets. Included that was a big part of.
IT i think that's a big thing In.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
GERMANY i think In germany you have to take your
cabinets when you move, out like it's required by. Law,
like once you, move you take your cabinets with you
because a new family coming in has to put in
their own.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Cabinets that's just that's so bizarre to us. Here, yes
that's so. Weird, yeah that is so. Weird uh but,
yeah and and therefore the idea of the of a no,
frame because a frame unifies all those, boxes right the face,
frame you, know could could could stretch across multiple boxes
and make that whole. Hassle so the idea of the
(27:43):
frameless that every box could be unscrewed from the next
box and all those units could be broken down and
popped into THE i don't, know moving, truck train cart, whatever,
yeah whatever they use over. There all, Right, so uh
so you gave us an outline of the anatomy of
a basic, cabinet kind of three basic categories of, cabinets,
(28:07):
Right you got base, cabinets which, again like we, said
are typically not absolutely but typically twenty four inches, deep
thirty six inches, tall thirty six inches with thirty four
and a half inches tall the cabinet. Itself, okay plus
we're going to put a subtop on top of that
cabinet and another piece of stone or tie or, whatever
(28:29):
so the cabinet itself is thirty four and a half inches,
tall and then we allow for an inch and a
half of countertop material to typically go. There that brings
us to thirty six inches in the, finish so twenty
four inches, deep various, widths all sorts of. Configurations then
you've got wall cabinets or upper, cabinets. Right the uppers
(28:50):
that hang up above those typically twelve inches, deep various
widths and, configurations either thirty six more often these days
we go for forty two inch tall standard uppers because
that accommodates that gives you a full cabinet all the
way up to the top of an eight foot. Ceiling.
Uh and then uh and then you've got your full height,
(29:11):
cabinets floor two ceiling, cabinets the things that hold the
double ovens and the pantries and and all of those
are your basic kind of super basic working. Configurations right?
Much DID i DID i skip anything? There? NO i
think you got everything all?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Right all?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Right and as we're talking about bathroom, cabinets oh, yeah
there you, go there you. Go bathroom cabinets are a
little different, Animal, Okay, uh SO i want it when
we when we returned to this. CONVERSATION i want to
talk about the kinds of materials that those things are
made out of and the things that you. Love you
AND i were having a conversation during the break that,
(29:50):
like for, instance plywood, boxes all plywood for the actual
cabinet carcass box is a safe bet all. Around american
manu factors lean that way for their high end, stuff
and we've leaned away traditionally from particle board because particle
board has been in the past very disappointing in a
lot of different. Ways it's been typically the indicator of cheaper.
(30:15):
CABINETS bu that may be changing, now, yeah a little
bit changing in some. Ways in some, ways in some
instances changing particle board may actually step ahead of plywood
in some. APPLICATIONS i know that makes it, confusing but
we're just telling you that's the. Truth so we're all
going to learn some things this morning when we come, back.
(30:35):
Though you know, what Maybe i'll rest my brain here
and take a couple of. Calls how's that sound all?
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