July 20, 2025 • 29 mins
Dean shares key tips for midsummer fire prevention and highlights two companies offering vents designed to block dangerous fire embers. He answers a caller’s question about the ember resistance of O’Hagin vents and offers practical advice for reducing noise from a loud pool pump. Plus, Dean discusses repair options for damaged fascia board lumber and how to get your home back in shape.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp the
House Whisper on demand on the iHeart Radio app. We
are at midsummer and we are doing our midsummer fire hardening,
fire season prep for your home. That is a very
very important conversation, I think a very interesting one for
most of you. Got a lot of great feedback from
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you so far. We're going to return to that conversation
in just a bit, but we are in We're in midsummer,
and we're in midshell, which means it's time to go
to the phones. And when it comes to phone calls,
anything you want to talk about, I'm talking fire season prep,
but you can call me about anything that's got you
scratching your head about your home. The number to reach
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it's time to go to the phones. I want to
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talk to Bob. Hey, Bob, welcome home. Hello, Hello sir,
how can I help you?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah? On the fire resistance of guards. There's a brand
called Vulcan, and I'm wondering what's the difference between Vulcan.
They have a one hour m brain that expands underheat,
the same I guess as Brand Guard. But I wasn't
aware that Brand Guard had that shield that expands when
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it gets hot. But Vulcan, I guess, has it. And
what's the difference. Do you know? Are you familiar with
the Vulcan I am.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I'm very familiar with Vulcan and with Brand Guard. Both
They're both solid, they really are. They're both really good
fire resistant ember resistant vents. I like I prefer the
Brand Guard VENT because I like the baffling system a
little bit better in the Brand Guard Vent. And yes,
the Vulcan is has an inter messent coating over the mesh.
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And again what that means is that when the flames
actually arrive at the house and things start heating up.
I forgive me for not being a scientific ember vent
expert and always having this in my mind, but I
don't know exactly remember what temperature, at what temperature, what
high temperature, the intermessent coding begins to expand. But it's
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essentially set up so that when there are real flames
at the base of the wall and they're throwing off
that kind of heat, the intermessent coding bubbles out, kind
of foams up and expands and closes off the vent
screen in the Vulcan vent. The brand Guard E vent's
built a little different. It doesn't have the inter messent
coding on the screen. It has these inserts inserts into
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the baffles so that the into messent coating on the
baffle closes down. It does the exact same thing. But
here's the thing I like with the brand Guard vent
that I absolutely love about what they do, and that
is if your brand Guard vent, it has a lifetime
warranty on it, even after a fire, especially after a fire.
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So the point is, if a brand Guard vent seals
up because of a flame at the base of the wall,
they're going to send you a replacement vent. They're going
to say, You're going to say to them, thank you
very much for saving my house, and they're going to say,
here you go, here's a replacement vent. If the fire
gets to the base of your wall, you're going to
be doing some work on that wall anyway, probably some
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stucco patching and stuff. So at that point you've got
a brand new vent from them, and you just put
the put in the new vent. You're ready for the
next one. So yeah, a Vulcan is an entirely good company.
I just I prefer the brand guard I see.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
All right, Well, thank you very much, Jane, You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Bob, thanks for the call and the question. This is
what's so great about it?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well, yeah, we have just enough time to start another call.
We'll probably have to carry it over to next but
let's talk to Kathy. Hey, Kathy, welcome home.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Dean.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I don't know what I'm asking, but I'm going to
try to explain it clearly. I live in a two
story built in nineteen seventy six in Riverside County. It's Temecula,
but it was Riverside County when it was built.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
I got you under I'm just telling you that because
this is probably I think the second tract in Temecula.
It's under the second story. There's a two story and
under the roof thieves.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
There are round holes.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Every you know how my son tells me every sixteen inches,
you know how the the Okay, you're understanding what i'd understand.
But there are two inch holes that are backed two
to three inch holes.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I would say that are backed by a love and wire,
but I mean, I know an amber wire mesh.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Yeah yeah, And I mean it's it's like perfectly you know,
I go, I look up there, and.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I think I know why they're there.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
They're vents.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
And then there's also the vents on the roof and
all that. But how would you block all of those holes?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Oh you mean for ember proof venting?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, they have inserts for those that go on from
from the outside, little.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Round I'm going to say, like a plug.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, kind of a plug, but it doesn't plug it.
It keeps it. You know, it's still a vent. It's
still letting the air through, but it's an insert baffle
that shuts down the ember intrusion. Those are that's a
really really common setup. Those are two inch vents in
your eves through the blocking that goes into the attic.
Those are the low vents that I was talking about.
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Then you've got high vents up above those vents, those
little two inch suckers, those are the ones that are
so dangerous because they're the ones that literally, on a
warm day are sucking air into the attic, and so
embers get anywhere near those and right into the attic.
So yeah, no, that's a believe me, that's that's Ember
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prof venting one oh one. It's not just about these
big rectangular things, those little round events. If a company
didn't address those or have a way to do it,
they wouldn't be worth their salt. And so yeah, you know,
like Brandguard has a solution for that that slides in.
I believe it slides in from the outside and gets
you all set up. Kathy, thank you so much for
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the call. It's time for us to cake a quick
break and then more of your calls. You're listening to
Home with Dean Sharp the house Whisper.
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Speaker 2 (07:53):
Hey.
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But when it comes to your calls, it can be
anything that's got you scratching your head about your home,
anything at all. All right, let's go to Cheryl. Hey, Cheryl,
welcome home.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
Yes hi there, thank you for taking my call. We
had a roof installed in twenty twenty one. I understand
from your show too that it is a class A roof.
I'm glad to hear that we also had O'Hagan vents
put in. And are those O'Hagan vents inherently fire safe
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now or does something need to be done with those
vents to further fire safe them. I also have another
question about my spark, my Chunity spark arrestor if you
could do that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay, we'll try real quick. Okay, So O'Hagan Vents just
so everybody else is not lost in the process. They're
just a brand of vent, very very popular vent, very
useful vent because o'hagen kind of specializes in low profile,
low rise vents up on a roof and they get
a lot of venting done without a lot of visual,
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uh you know, interference on a roofline. And in fact,
I've got one, two three, I want to say, I've
got five O'Hagan vents on the back side of my
main roof as well. Why because they're low profile, they're
underneath are solar panels. They actually are vents that clear
underneath the solar panels that are sitting on top of those.
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And so yeah, oh hey, O'Hagan vents. It's a brand name,
very popular event. The answer to your question, Cheryl is no,
they are not intrinsically ember resistant. But here's the good news.
You don't have to tear out the O'Hagan vents and
put in something else. A company like brand Guard would
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be able to give you an ember resistant panel that
can be mounted to the backside the underside of the
roof underneath the O'Hagan vent, so that everything stays in play,
and that's the case with most ember resistant vents. Worth
their salt everybody. You may and may be the optimal
thing to tear out the vent you've got and to
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put one in, but quite often you can retrofit protective
screens or protective baffles behind the vent that you've already
got so that you don't have to tear up and
redo the whole roof.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
Fabulous, that's nice to hear. May I ask about the arrestor? Sure, okay,
we do not have a spark arrestor on our chimney.
But our fireplace is a gas fired log fire place.
So does that need a spark arrest or still? And
if so, are any spark arrestors we would buy in
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like a big box store appropriate nowadays for accomplishing the
job of protecting the fire the chimney for sp.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yes, yeah, okay, so well, so it's a masonry chimney,
masonry fireplace, but it has a gas log set in it. Okay, yes, yeah,
So I'll give you the practical and the technical answer. Yes,
your chimney needs a spark arrest and uh, and most
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of the spark arrestors that you will find available in
building supply stores these days will get the job done.
Anything other than just putting little that little mesh screen
on the top, that doesn't count as a spark arrestor anymore.
It's usually kind of some kind of t top or
round t And by the way, when it comes to
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a fireplace spark arrestor, the whole safety factor is not
ember proofing the fireplace from things coming in from the outside.
It's just the opposite. You're protecting the environment from your fireplace, okay,
And so yes, it needs one technically. And the reason
is it doesn't matter that you that you just have
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a gas log set in there. You have a fireplace
capable of burning wood. And because it's capable of burning wood,
you could at any time pull that gas log set
out of there and just decide to burn wood today,
at which point you've got sparks coming up, you know,
and ember's coming up the fireplace. So yeah, that fireplace,
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because it's capable of burning wood, needs to have a
spark arrestor on it permanently, whether you're doing the gas
or not. And so that's the answer to that question, Cherriff,
thank you for the call. All right, back to the
phones right after this your Home with Dean Sharp, the
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All right, back to the phones we go. I want
to talk to Tom. Hey, Tom, welcome home.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, thank you. A question about soundproofing not soundproven with
sound mitigation. We're remodeling the kitchen ten foot ceilings, two
story house stucco walls, and the exhaust duct over the
range is a ten inch pipe going right out over
the pool equipment. So we get a lot of noise
coming in through that duct from the pool pumps when
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they're running the ductors tenage galvanized. The outer hood is
a stainless steel assembly, and I've already purchased some fire
resistant wrap that's supposedly designed for this stuff for both
fire mitigation and sound mitigation. The outside hood has a
flapper on it. I could not find anything electric that
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would open up when the event went on. But do
you have any other hints for mitigating that sound. We've
insulated the walls, We've bought blown foam in all the penetrations,
and the cabinets are going to go Florida ceiling. So
the mechanical transmissions very much taken care of the problem.
Is that ten pipe?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Uh? Yeah, yeah, that is a problem. Okay, here's the thing.
I want to deal with it at the source. That's
my suggestion to you. Deal with that at the source.
It's the pool pump. It's loud, it's noisy, and uh,
if you mitigate the sound at the pump, then you
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are you're you're doing your best job ever. And here's
this is one of those situations Tom where you know
last time I it was just a few weeks ago,
we talked about soundproofing and sound for the home, and
I told this story of You go to the International
Builders Show and there's a mass loaded vinyl company that's
there every year selling mass loaded vinyl, which is very heavy,
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very very dense vinyl. Product kind of reminds people of
a wet suit material until you actually hold it in
your hand, you realize, Wow, this thing is heavy. If
I add this as a wetsuit, I was just sink
to the bottom of the ocean. Maas loaded vinyl. It's
an amazing product. And the way they display it and
demonstrate it there, I said, is it's not deceptive, but
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when it comes to an overall house situation, it doesn't
tell the whole story. What they do is they've got
a very loud speaker underneath this box, and the box
is lined with mass loaded vinyl on the inside of it,
and there are no air gaps escaping from the speaker.
It's just a solid box around it. And when you
walk up to the booth, at first you don't even
know that there's sound coming out of that speaker. That's
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how good this stuff does at absorbing it and deadening
those energy waves. And then he's like, pick up that box,
and you pick up the box and you realize the
speaker is blaring, and I said that, you know, when
it comes to a house, it's not that simple, but
when it comes to a pool pump, it is, in
fact pretty much that simple. Pool pumps don't really need
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ventilation per se, and pool pumps as long as as
you build a box and cut it around the ingoing
and outgoing lines so that it is, you know, fit
around it neatly and nicely. You could build We've done
it before. You could build a mass loaded vinyl pump cover,
sound cover and knockout. I'm gonna say ninety plus percent
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of the sound coming out of the pool pump not
only make the backyard quieter, definitely, you're not going to
get that transmission in through the kitchen hood. So that's
how I would tell you to approach that problem. Cover
the pump at the source.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Well here's the yes, But there's okay pumps. There's two
three horse power barrel who speed pumps and a five
horse commercial pump. Not the way I would design it,
but that's the way it was built. And I've already
replaced the pumps twice. I went from stay Rights to
Haywards to Pentere partially to reduce the noise and there's
a lot of piping, and getting a tight seal around
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all the piping, it's going to be virtually impossible.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
M okay, well, you know what, I would still advise that.
I mean, are the pumps together. Could you get a
cover over all three of them at once instead of individualized?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Possibly, But there's a lot of penetrations for the pipes.
It's a very complicated system, poorly designed by it by
the builder. They're probably the fifteen or twenty penetrations in
the box.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Gotcha, all right? Well, here's an alternative vent. If it's
not possible, if it's too complex to fit a box
around those pumps, then get your hands on some mass
loaded vinyl and attached mass loaded vinyl to the upper
inside of the outer hood of the vent of the
kitchen vent. In other words, cover the flapper with it
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and cover the area surrounding so that at least when
that vent is not blowing and the flap is closed,
that that opening is again airtight and a mass loaded
off before the you know, the sound has to go in.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Wouldn't the way that the flapper or what party, wouldn't
the way to the massloaded finyl keep the flapper from
opening when the event's on lower speeds.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
If you've got a if you've got a decent vent
on the inside, and it doesn't sound like it's very
far away, I highly doubt that it's going to keep
the vent from opening up. I highly doubt it. And
it's not like this stuff weighs, you know, twelve pounds
for a ten inch circle. Okay, it will be not
quite as a subject to being opened. But again, you
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know it would be well worth it to get your
hands on a couple of square feet of mass loaded
vinyl and play with that.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Okay, I can try that related question if you have
a moment. A lot of the ceiling is open as
part of the remodel. It's a two story house, and
I do get a fair amount of noise from upstairs.
The ceiling is going to be redone with the fresh
code of pathans drywall, and then I'm putting nine to
sixteenths hard with flowing tongue of group flowing on the ceiling,
nailed and glued. I'm thinking I might as well insulate
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those bays while the ceiling is open. Should I use
anything other than just your typical fiberglass bats?
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, Well, first of all insulating the ceiling. Great idea,
perfectly great idea. And no, don't use fiberglass bats. Use
rock mineral wool insulation like a rock sel makes a
product called safe and Sound. It is literally it's not
designed primarily for thermal it's primarily designed for sound deadening.
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Rock mineral wool, a much more dense insulation, does way, way,
way better with sound than fiberglass bats. But it's about
a third more per bat. But it comes in bats.
You do it, you install it the exact same way.
And also while you're having installed it will not irritate
the installers as much because it's not fiberglass it's rock
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mineral wool. So you will be happy with the sound
that or the sound that it doesn't create and the
deadening effect there. All right, Tom, thanks for your question,
my friend. Good luck on that up next, more of
your calls your Home with Dean Sharp in the house whispering.
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You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
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Speaker 1 (21:18):
When you're thinking about listen, I want to make this
place just. I really want it changed. I mean I
want it different, I want it truly transformed. Design has
to be the very very top of your list. Design
in terms of architecture, of course, design in terms of decor,
of course, but also design simply meaning that it is
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an expressed intentionality of a well thought out plan. And
that's what we're talking about today. Design in regards to
fire hardening a home. Designing fire hardening into a home
to be most effective, most efficient without breaking the bank
and spending too much much money on things that just
don't in the end make that big of a difference.
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So we're having a very very rational conversation, a very
well informed conversation about fire hardening your home. We're going
to get back to that conversation right after the next break.
But here we are at the end of second hour,
and I'm still taking calls, and I want to go
back to the phones. Let's talk to Kathy. Hey, Kathy,
welcome home?
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Does that me?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That's you?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Yay?
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Hi, Dean, Thank you for taking my call so quickly.
I appreciate it. I talked with you a couple of
years ago about vulcan vents and I got those all
in my house, and then also about hardyboard fighting and
I got that all done also. Well good for now, Yeah,
I know, thank you so much for your guidance on that,
and also to Tina too, because she and I had
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some conversations after that about the vulcan vents and I
let her know what my experience was with them, so
than Tina.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, how am I going to spend your money today?
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Well, well you really are. Let me tell you first
of all, my facial boards on my roofline. I have
a nineteen twenty two craftsman house and I have eight
sets of facial board and they're very high and it's
a very steep roofline and my roofers. When they redid
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my roof four years ago, they said, oh no, your
facial board is fine, even though the paint was peeling
and everything, and they said, they said, it just needs
to be painted and it should be fine. And they
gave the reasoning was because that length of lumber was
very hard to find with old growth now and these
were some very old beams in there, and they said
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to leave those because whatever, you know, the kind of
lumber they use now for especially for facia, are not
going to last as long, so keep those, okay, But
there is rots and now the paint has peeled a
lot because I got some estimate and they ranged anywhere
from seven thousand to eighteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Estimates for what replacing the facer boards?
Speaker 7 (24:08):
No, just to paint them, to repair wood rot and
paint them.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Wow, that's a big spread there, That's a big spread.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
I know.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
And I got probably about four. So they started at seven,
they went to eighteen, and I don't know what to
do next.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Okay, Well, of all the estimates that you got, did
they kind of did? Some of them sort of pool
in one area and then there was a couple of
outliers or are they literally each like two thousand dollars
different than the next one.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
This wasn't for each one, this was for the whole job.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
No, No, I mean, I mean of the four estimates
that you got, did the four estimates? Did three of
the four kind such a kind of hemp?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
They went like seven to twelve to fifteen to eighteen.
They were all over the place.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
And what were the differentials?
Speaker 7 (24:57):
I was asked for painters that said that they did
would repair. I wasn't finding carpenters. I wasn't going like
the other way.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Okay, all right, so what was the differentials? As you
read the estimates that they detail. Whyse at some company say, listen,
we're going to be prepping and sanding and stripping all
these down to bare wood, finding every bit of rot,
sealing everything up, you know, and that therefore before we
even start to prep for paint. And another company is like, yeah,
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we'll just deal with what we can see. I mean,
were there, No.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
I actually walked a job with each of them, and
I mean each one took an hour and a half
to look at everything and decide what they were going
to do, and so everybody had the same story and
saw the same same boards.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
All right, Well, I've got only two suggestions for you. Then, One,
get a couple of more painting estimates, number one, if
you want to head in that direction.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Two, so I got painters.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Then yeah, I understand what you were told back about
the old growth lumber and facier board and all of
that kind of stuff. But I want to be really
clear about this. Number one. They're right, and there is
no old growth lumber being cut today. I mean, it's
largely you know, illegal to cut old growth lumber. And
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the reason why old growth lumber is so awesome for
construction is that old growth lumber is you know, the
older tree gets, the more dense the lumber the core
of the tree becomes, and therefore the density of the
grain of the wood, the density of the wood itself,
means that that that wood is very very stable, very
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stable wood as opposed to younger growth on the outer
edge of the tree. Okay, that's all well and good.
But but and this is a huge, big butt, It
does not mean that current just because current facial board
lumber is, yeah, it's not as stable as old growth
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lumber from one hundred years ago when your house was
built in the nineteen twenties, does that mean that current
facier board lumber just fails and falls apart. If it's
if it's selected properly, if it's treated right, if it's
primed and painted and taken care of. It's not like
there's a there's you know, and all the new construction
going on all over the United States, there is a
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mass outcry for curling, warping facial boards. It's just not
the case. Okay, So as much as they were concerned
about preserving that old stuff, if there is so much
rot and swelling and cracking and treating going on now
that it's it's a you know, eliciting a massive response,
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an expensive response from painters. Then the other direction I
think would be worthy of you to look into is
call a carpenter, call framing company and say, hey, give
me a price for replacing these facier boards. And when
the facier board, when the new facia lumber arrives on site,
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you make sure that those facier boards are primed ahead
of time, primed before they're installed. That means that all
four sides of the facia are completely protected before they
get installed. And as a result, they're going to last
for a long long time. And you might find replacing
those facier boards then it's just a simple paint shop.
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There's nothing complex about that, and as a result, the
painting cost comes way way down. I'm not guaranteeing that
that's gonna happen, but because of the prices you've been getting,
you should definitely look at it that way. Kathy, Okay,
that's the best advice I could give you today. Thank
you so much for that question and for that call
for everybody's questions and calls. When we come back back
to mid summer fire season, prep your home with Dean
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talk to Bob. Hey, Bob, welcome home. Hello, Hello sir,
how can I help you?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah? On the fire resistance of guards. There's a brand
called Vulcan, and I'm wondering what's the difference between Vulcan.
They have a one hour m brain that expands underheat,
the same I guess as Brand Guard. But I wasn't
aware that Brand Guard had that shield that expands when
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it gets hot. But Vulcan, I guess, has it. And
what's the difference. Do you know? Are you familiar with
the Vulcan I am.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I'm very familiar with Vulcan and with Brand Guard. Both
They're both solid, they really are. They're both really good
fire resistant ember resistant vents. I like I prefer the
Brand Guard VENT because I like the baffling system a
little bit better in the Brand Guard Vent. And yes,
the Vulcan is has an inter messent coating over the mesh.
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And again what that means is that when the flames
actually arrive at the house and things start heating up.
I forgive me for not being a scientific ember vent
expert and always having this in my mind, but I
don't know exactly remember what temperature, at what temperature, what
high temperature, the intermessent coding begins to expand. But it's
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essentially set up so that when there are real flames
at the base of the wall and they're throwing off
that kind of heat, the intermessent coding bubbles out, kind
of foams up and expands and closes off the vent
screen in the Vulcan vent. The brand Guard E vent's
built a little different. It doesn't have the inter messent
coding on the screen. It has these inserts inserts into
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the baffles so that the into messent coating on the
baffle closes down. It does the exact same thing. But
here's the thing I like with the brand Guard vent
that I absolutely love about what they do, and that
is if your brand Guard vent, it has a lifetime
warranty on it, even after a fire, especially after a fire.
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So the point is, if a brand Guard vent seals
up because of a flame at the base of the wall,
they're going to send you a replacement vent. They're going
to say, You're going to say to them, thank you
very much for saving my house, and they're going to say,
here you go, here's a replacement vent. If the fire
gets to the base of your wall, you're going to
be doing some work on that wall anyway, probably some
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stucco patching and stuff. So at that point you've got
a brand new vent from them, and you just put
the put in the new vent. You're ready for the
next one. So yeah, a Vulcan is an entirely good company.
I just I prefer the brand guard I see.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
All right, Well, thank you very much, Jane, You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Bob, thanks for the call and the question. This is
what's so great about it?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well, yeah, we have just enough time to start another call.
We'll probably have to carry it over to next but
let's talk to Kathy. Hey, Kathy, welcome home.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Dean.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
I don't know what I'm asking, but I'm going to
try to explain it clearly. I live in a two
story built in nineteen seventy six in Riverside County. It's Temecula,
but it was Riverside County when it was built.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
I got you under I'm just telling you that because
this is probably I think the second tract in Temecula.
It's under the second story. There's a two story and
under the roof thieves.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
There are round holes.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Every you know how my son tells me every sixteen inches,
you know how the the Okay, you're understanding what i'd understand.
But there are two inch holes that are backed two
to three inch holes.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I would say that are backed by a love and wire,
but I mean, I know an amber wire mesh.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Yeah yeah, And I mean it's it's like perfectly you know,
I go, I look up there, and.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I think I know why they're there.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
They're vents.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
And then there's also the vents on the roof and
all that. But how would you block all of those holes?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Oh you mean for ember proof venting?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, they have inserts for those that go on from
from the outside, little.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Round I'm going to say, like a plug.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, kind of a plug, but it doesn't plug it.
It keeps it. You know, it's still a vent. It's
still letting the air through, but it's an insert baffle
that shuts down the ember intrusion. Those are that's a
really really common setup. Those are two inch vents in
your eves through the blocking that goes into the attic.
Those are the low vents that I was talking about.
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Then you've got high vents up above those vents, those
little two inch suckers, those are the ones that are
so dangerous because they're the ones that literally, on a
warm day are sucking air into the attic, and so
embers get anywhere near those and right into the attic.
So yeah, no, that's a believe me, that's that's Ember
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prof venting one oh one. It's not just about these
big rectangular things, those little round events. If a company
didn't address those or have a way to do it,
they wouldn't be worth their salt. And so yeah, you know,
like Brandguard has a solution for that that slides in.
I believe it slides in from the outside and gets
you all set up. Kathy, thank you so much for
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the call. It's time for us to cake a quick
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But when it comes to your calls, it can be
anything that's got you scratching your head about your home,
anything at all. All right, let's go to Cheryl. Hey, Cheryl,
welcome home.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
Yes hi there, thank you for taking my call. We
had a roof installed in twenty twenty one. I understand
from your show too that it is a class A roof.
I'm glad to hear that we also had O'Hagan vents
put in. And are those O'Hagan vents inherently fire safe
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now or does something need to be done with those
vents to further fire safe them. I also have another
question about my spark, my Chunity spark arrestor if you
could do that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay, we'll try real quick. Okay, So O'Hagan Vents just
so everybody else is not lost in the process. They're
just a brand of vent, very very popular vent, very
useful vent because o'hagen kind of specializes in low profile,
low rise vents up on a roof and they get
a lot of venting done without a lot of visual,
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uh you know, interference on a roofline. And in fact,
I've got one, two three, I want to say, I've
got five O'Hagan vents on the back side of my
main roof as well. Why because they're low profile, they're
underneath are solar panels. They actually are vents that clear
underneath the solar panels that are sitting on top of those.
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And so yeah, oh hey, O'Hagan vents. It's a brand name,
very popular event. The answer to your question, Cheryl is no,
they are not intrinsically ember resistant. But here's the good news.
You don't have to tear out the O'Hagan vents and
put in something else. A company like brand Guard would
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be able to give you an ember resistant panel that
can be mounted to the backside the underside of the
roof underneath the O'Hagan vent, so that everything stays in play,
and that's the case with most ember resistant vents. Worth
their salt everybody. You may and may be the optimal
thing to tear out the vent you've got and to
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put one in, but quite often you can retrofit protective
screens or protective baffles behind the vent that you've already
got so that you don't have to tear up and
redo the whole roof.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
Fabulous, that's nice to hear. May I ask about the arrestor? Sure, okay,
we do not have a spark arrestor on our chimney.
But our fireplace is a gas fired log fire place.
So does that need a spark arrest or still? And
if so, are any spark arrestors we would buy in
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like a big box store appropriate nowadays for accomplishing the
job of protecting the fire the chimney for sp.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yes, yeah, okay, so well, so it's a masonry chimney,
masonry fireplace, but it has a gas log set in it. Okay, yes, yeah,
So I'll give you the practical and the technical answer. Yes,
your chimney needs a spark arrest and uh, and most
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of the spark arrestors that you will find available in
building supply stores these days will get the job done.
Anything other than just putting little that little mesh screen
on the top, that doesn't count as a spark arrestor anymore.
It's usually kind of some kind of t top or
round t And by the way, when it comes to
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a fireplace spark arrestor, the whole safety factor is not
ember proofing the fireplace from things coming in from the outside.
It's just the opposite. You're protecting the environment from your fireplace, okay,
And so yes, it needs one technically. And the reason
is it doesn't matter that you that you just have
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a gas log set in there. You have a fireplace
capable of burning wood. And because it's capable of burning wood,
you could at any time pull that gas log set
out of there and just decide to burn wood today,
at which point you've got sparks coming up, you know,
and ember's coming up the fireplace. So yeah, that fireplace,
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because it's capable of burning wood, needs to have a
spark arrestor on it permanently, whether you're doing the gas
or not. And so that's the answer to that question, Cherriff,
thank you for the call. All right, back to the
phones right after this your Home with Dean Sharp, the
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All right, back to the phones we go. I want
to talk to Tom. Hey, Tom, welcome home.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, thank you. A question about soundproofing not soundproven with
sound mitigation. We're remodeling the kitchen ten foot ceilings, two
story house stucco walls, and the exhaust duct over the
range is a ten inch pipe going right out over
the pool equipment. So we get a lot of noise
coming in through that duct from the pool pumps when
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they're running the ductors tenage galvanized. The outer hood is
a stainless steel assembly, and I've already purchased some fire
resistant wrap that's supposedly designed for this stuff for both
fire mitigation and sound mitigation. The outside hood has a
flapper on it. I could not find anything electric that
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would open up when the event went on. But do
you have any other hints for mitigating that sound. We've
insulated the walls, We've bought blown foam in all the penetrations,
and the cabinets are going to go Florida ceiling. So
the mechanical transmissions very much taken care of the problem.
Is that ten pipe?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Uh? Yeah, yeah, that is a problem. Okay, here's the thing.
I want to deal with it at the source. That's
my suggestion to you. Deal with that at the source.
It's the pool pump. It's loud, it's noisy, and uh,
if you mitigate the sound at the pump, then you
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are you're you're doing your best job ever. And here's
this is one of those situations Tom where you know
last time I it was just a few weeks ago,
we talked about soundproofing and sound for the home, and
I told this story of You go to the International
Builders Show and there's a mass loaded vinyl company that's
there every year selling mass loaded vinyl, which is very heavy,
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very very dense vinyl. Product kind of reminds people of
a wet suit material until you actually hold it in
your hand, you realize, Wow, this thing is heavy. If
I add this as a wetsuit, I was just sink
to the bottom of the ocean. Maas loaded vinyl. It's
an amazing product. And the way they display it and
demonstrate it there, I said, is it's not deceptive, but
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when it comes to an overall house situation, it doesn't
tell the whole story. What they do is they've got
a very loud speaker underneath this box, and the box
is lined with mass loaded vinyl on the inside of it,
and there are no air gaps escaping from the speaker.
It's just a solid box around it. And when you
walk up to the booth, at first you don't even
know that there's sound coming out of that speaker. That's
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how good this stuff does at absorbing it and deadening
those energy waves. And then he's like, pick up that box,
and you pick up the box and you realize the
speaker is blaring, and I said that, you know, when
it comes to a house, it's not that simple, but
when it comes to a pool pump, it is, in
fact pretty much that simple. Pool pumps don't really need
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ventilation per se, and pool pumps as long as as
you build a box and cut it around the ingoing
and outgoing lines so that it is, you know, fit
around it neatly and nicely. You could build We've done
it before. You could build a mass loaded vinyl pump cover,
sound cover and knockout. I'm gonna say ninety plus percent
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of the sound coming out of the pool pump not
only make the backyard quieter, definitely, you're not going to
get that transmission in through the kitchen hood. So that's
how I would tell you to approach that problem. Cover
the pump at the source.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Well here's the yes, But there's okay pumps. There's two
three horse power barrel who speed pumps and a five
horse commercial pump. Not the way I would design it,
but that's the way it was built. And I've already
replaced the pumps twice. I went from stay Rights to
Haywards to Pentere partially to reduce the noise and there's
a lot of piping, and getting a tight seal around
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all the piping, it's going to be virtually impossible.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
M okay, well, you know what, I would still advise that.
I mean, are the pumps together. Could you get a
cover over all three of them at once instead of individualized?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Possibly, But there's a lot of penetrations for the pipes.
It's a very complicated system, poorly designed by it by
the builder. They're probably the fifteen or twenty penetrations in
the box.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Gotcha, all right? Well, here's an alternative vent. If it's
not possible, if it's too complex to fit a box
around those pumps, then get your hands on some mass
loaded vinyl and attached mass loaded vinyl to the upper
inside of the outer hood of the vent of the
kitchen vent. In other words, cover the flapper with it
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and cover the area surrounding so that at least when
that vent is not blowing and the flap is closed,
that that opening is again airtight and a mass loaded
off before the you know, the sound has to go in.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Wouldn't the way that the flapper or what party, wouldn't
the way to the massloaded finyl keep the flapper from
opening when the event's on lower speeds.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
If you've got a if you've got a decent vent
on the inside, and it doesn't sound like it's very
far away, I highly doubt that it's going to keep
the vent from opening up. I highly doubt it. And
it's not like this stuff weighs, you know, twelve pounds
for a ten inch circle. Okay, it will be not
quite as a subject to being opened. But again, you
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know it would be well worth it to get your
hands on a couple of square feet of mass loaded
vinyl and play with that.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Okay, I can try that related question if you have
a moment. A lot of the ceiling is open as
part of the remodel. It's a two story house, and
I do get a fair amount of noise from upstairs.
The ceiling is going to be redone with the fresh
code of pathans drywall, and then I'm putting nine to
sixteenths hard with flowing tongue of group flowing on the ceiling,
nailed and glued. I'm thinking I might as well insulate
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those bays while the ceiling is open. Should I use
anything other than just your typical fiberglass bats?
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, Well, first of all insulating the ceiling. Great idea,
perfectly great idea. And no, don't use fiberglass bats. Use
rock mineral wool insulation like a rock sel makes a
product called safe and Sound. It is literally it's not
designed primarily for thermal it's primarily designed for sound deadening.
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Rock mineral wool, a much more dense insulation, does way, way,
way better with sound than fiberglass bats. But it's about
a third more per bat. But it comes in bats.
You do it, you install it the exact same way.
And also while you're having installed it will not irritate
the installers as much because it's not fiberglass it's rock
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mineral wool. So you will be happy with the sound
that or the sound that it doesn't create and the
deadening effect there. All right, Tom, thanks for your question,
my friend. Good luck on that up next, more of
your calls your Home with Dean Sharp in the house whispering.
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When you're thinking about listen, I want to make this
place just. I really want it changed. I mean I
want it different, I want it truly transformed. Design has
to be the very very top of your list. Design
in terms of architecture, of course, design in terms of decor,
of course, but also design simply meaning that it is
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an expressed intentionality of a well thought out plan. And
that's what we're talking about today. Design in regards to
fire hardening a home. Designing fire hardening into a home
to be most effective, most efficient without breaking the bank
and spending too much much money on things that just
don't in the end make that big of a difference.
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So we're having a very very rational conversation, a very
well informed conversation about fire hardening your home. We're going
to get back to that conversation right after the next break.
But here we are at the end of second hour,
and I'm still taking calls, and I want to go
back to the phones. Let's talk to Kathy. Hey, Kathy,
welcome home?
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Does that me?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That's you?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Yay?
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Hi, Dean, Thank you for taking my call so quickly.
I appreciate it. I talked with you a couple of
years ago about vulcan vents and I got those all
in my house, and then also about hardyboard fighting and
I got that all done also. Well good for now, Yeah,
I know, thank you so much for your guidance on that,
and also to Tina too, because she and I had
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some conversations after that about the vulcan vents and I
let her know what my experience was with them, so
than Tina.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, how am I going to spend your money today?
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Well, well you really are. Let me tell you first
of all, my facial boards on my roofline. I have
a nineteen twenty two craftsman house and I have eight
sets of facial board and they're very high and it's
a very steep roofline and my roofers. When they redid
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my roof four years ago, they said, oh no, your
facial board is fine, even though the paint was peeling
and everything, and they said, they said, it just needs
to be painted and it should be fine. And they
gave the reasoning was because that length of lumber was
very hard to find with old growth now and these
were some very old beams in there, and they said
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to leave those because whatever, you know, the kind of
lumber they use now for especially for facia, are not
going to last as long, so keep those, okay, But
there is rots and now the paint has peeled a
lot because I got some estimate and they ranged anywhere
from seven thousand to eighteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Estimates for what replacing the facer boards?
Speaker 7 (24:08):
No, just to paint them, to repair wood rot and
paint them.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Wow, that's a big spread there, That's a big spread.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
I know.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
And I got probably about four. So they started at seven,
they went to eighteen, and I don't know what to
do next.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Okay, Well, of all the estimates that you got, did
they kind of did? Some of them sort of pool
in one area and then there was a couple of
outliers or are they literally each like two thousand dollars
different than the next one.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
This wasn't for each one, this was for the whole job.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
No, No, I mean, I mean of the four estimates
that you got, did the four estimates? Did three of
the four kind such a kind of hemp?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
They went like seven to twelve to fifteen to eighteen.
They were all over the place.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
And what were the differentials?
Speaker 7 (24:57):
I was asked for painters that said that they did
would repair. I wasn't finding carpenters. I wasn't going like
the other way.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Okay, all right, so what was the differentials? As you
read the estimates that they detail. Whyse at some company say, listen,
we're going to be prepping and sanding and stripping all
these down to bare wood, finding every bit of rot,
sealing everything up, you know, and that therefore before we
even start to prep for paint. And another company is like, yeah,
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we'll just deal with what we can see. I mean,
were there, No.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
I actually walked a job with each of them, and
I mean each one took an hour and a half
to look at everything and decide what they were going
to do, and so everybody had the same story and
saw the same same boards.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
All right, Well, I've got only two suggestions for you. Then, One,
get a couple of more painting estimates, number one, if
you want to head in that direction.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Two, so I got painters.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Then yeah, I understand what you were told back about
the old growth lumber and facier board and all of
that kind of stuff. But I want to be really
clear about this. Number one. They're right, and there is
no old growth lumber being cut today. I mean, it's
largely you know, illegal to cut old growth lumber. And
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the reason why old growth lumber is so awesome for
construction is that old growth lumber is you know, the
older tree gets, the more dense the lumber the core
of the tree becomes, and therefore the density of the
grain of the wood, the density of the wood itself,
means that that that wood is very very stable, very
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stable wood as opposed to younger growth on the outer
edge of the tree. Okay, that's all well and good.
But but and this is a huge, big butt, It
does not mean that current just because current facial board
lumber is, yeah, it's not as stable as old growth
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lumber from one hundred years ago when your house was
built in the nineteen twenties, does that mean that current
facier board lumber just fails and falls apart. If it's
if it's selected properly, if it's treated right, if it's
primed and painted and taken care of. It's not like
there's a there's you know, and all the new construction
going on all over the United States, there is a
(27:22):
mass outcry for curling, warping facial boards. It's just not
the case. Okay, So as much as they were concerned
about preserving that old stuff, if there is so much
rot and swelling and cracking and treating going on now
that it's it's a you know, eliciting a massive response,
(27:45):
an expensive response from painters. Then the other direction I
think would be worthy of you to look into is
call a carpenter, call framing company and say, hey, give
me a price for replacing these facier boards. And when
the facier board, when the new facia lumber arrives on site,
(28:08):
you make sure that those facier boards are primed ahead
of time, primed before they're installed. That means that all
four sides of the facia are completely protected before they
get installed. And as a result, they're going to last
for a long long time. And you might find replacing
those facier boards then it's just a simple paint shop.
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There's nothing complex about that, and as a result, the
painting cost comes way way down. I'm not guaranteeing that
that's gonna happen, but because of the prices you've been getting,
you should definitely look at it that way. Kathy, Okay,
that's the best advice I could give you today. Thank
you so much for that question and for that call
for everybody's questions and calls. When we come back back
to mid summer fire season, prep your home with Dean
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