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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Jeel, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Hi, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
How can I help you?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Well? I have a really silly question.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I bet it's not silly at all.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh, it's very silly, but I'll try to make this short. Okay,
I've already battled cancer. I'm gonna hear on that. And
I've dealt with many years of neuropathy. I was recently
diagnosed with ALS.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh goodness, and I am.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Told I'm fifty eight years old. I'm told one to
five years do I have to live? But because of
the neuropathy, it may have been diagnosed, so they don't
know how long I've had ALS. Here's my silly question.
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I have never been afraid of dying ever, I am now.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I don't know if when we pass, we do we
have to encounter people that we don't want to encounter.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Wait. Wait, wait, let me get this jewel. Wait a second.
So you're saying that you battled cancer, Yes, you've been
diagnosed with ALS. Yes you are a fighter, indeed, someone
very strong, and you're worried about who you'll bump into
in heaven.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Uh, when you say someone hurt you in what way?
Did they hurt you?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Well, physically, you know, as a child.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
What makes you think they're going to be in heaven.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I don't like the way you think.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, I mean, that's really one part of it.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It frightens me. I'm not frightened a passing. I'm frightened
of seeing other people that I don't want to see.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Okay, well, here's a couple of things. First and foremost,
you don't know who's going to be there. And the
second part of that is you have to trust God
that those that are there are supposed to be there.
And lastly, I want to read something to you from
Revelation twenty one four. This is about heaven, says he
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will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There will
be no more death or mourning or crying or pain,
for the old order of things has passed away. Those
things won't be there. It's not about a bigger earth,
a better earth with no crime. It's not about some
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sort of concept of a better humanity. Heaven is altogether different,
and I think a lot of people will see it
as a utopia, and it's not. It is altogether a
different place and experience than the human experience, and there
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will not be those concerns in the same way, in
the same sense, and you will have an understanding of
things differently. So in that time and God's will that
you go home to be with your Maker, those things
will be understood and every tear wiped away. There won't
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be the concept of death or pain or any of
those things. There won't even be a comparison of those things.
That's why when people think, like, oh, someone passes, are
they here on earth? No, there is not there. They
aren't thinking of the things of earth. There is no
not in this same way, in the same sense. And
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so you won't have those fears at all, or those concerns.
There won't be fear. It's the fulfillment of hope. So
you don't have to worry about bumping into someone you
don't want to see.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You're right, yeah, sorry, don't be I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
There should be no shame for emotions. They're one of
the most wonderful part of being human. Painful.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Maybe yes, I don't want to be afraid.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, no one wants to be afraid. Fear has its purpose.
Fear keeps you away from the edge of the cliff.
Fear keeps you away from sharp objects. Fear has a purpose,
but don't fear home.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No, fear is a good thing. I mean, I get that,
I certainly get that. I mean, my gosh, you don't
want your kid putting his hand on the stove.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
You know, of course, it has its purpose, but in
this particular case, there's a lot of question marks as
as too if this person would even be there to
begin with. But having said that, God's not going to
put you in a situation like that. It's the fulfillment
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again of hope, and it to be in that place
is not to be in a place of worry or
fear or awkwardness. Awkwardness or any of those things. You'll
understand and you'll be there, and you will have an
understanding understanding of everything that's occurred in your life in
a way that you could never on earth, and it
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will come together. But there shouldn't be fear of that.
You continue to fight and remember doctors only can tell
you what they've seen before, not what they will see. Right,
And you have to hold on to those things and
be practical, put your things in order, be smart, but
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always land on hope and understanding. That God's will be done.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yes, well, put my ducks in the room, as they say, good,
put my you know, step in order that the children
and whatnot. But mmm, I don't know why I'm so
afraid right now. I just don't know. It's not like me.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It's just the unknown. There's a lot you're staring something
in the face, seemingly, and that that's a that's a
pretty stark reality, and that's a that's a you know
that that makes you start you sound very reasonable. Just
that just your tone and the fight that you have
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in you and the fight that you've been through so far.
So you look at those things and you and you've
battled them, and now you're looking You're going, Okay, I'll
take this enemy head on. But I don't know what
this enemy is going to look like. I don't know
what it's going to be like. And you start going
through the scenarios in your head as to what it
might be and what you might be up against. But
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let me tell you something, You're up against nothing. When
you're there, you're home. Every question mark you've ever had
here on earth, everything you've wondered, why did I have
to go through that? Why was this why all of
those questions that you have will be fulfilled and understood
in a way and not comprehend here no matter what
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I tell you, it will be the ultimate fulfillment and
the place of peace. The crescendo, the the eternal crescendo
that has no end, will feel like it never had
a beginning, and it will make sense and you'll be
at peace. There will be no more battles for you
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to wage war against or to stand up against. No,
in the words of Shakespeare, no slings, no arrows of
outrageous fortune. No more do you have to battle with
any of that stuff. It's done. The battle is over there,
no more worries.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, but I don't mind the battle. I don't mind
the battle, but you don't do. I'm in a darn
wheelchair most my day. It's fine, it's fine, and I
walked half the day. I don't want the end of the.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Battle, but that is what you fight for. Everyone fights
for the end of the battle. Everyone. There's no one
who fights to fight. That's bizarre. You fight for the
end of the battle, the win, the victory, whatever it
might be. You fight for the end of the battle,
and the end of the battle I'm telling you is peace.
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It's not fear. It's none of that. You've battled so
long that you don't even know what that is anymore.
But trust me, you'll like it. I guarantee. I just
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got off the phone with Jewel, our last caller, and
we were chatting a little bit. Producer Neil got on
there as well, and what a doll and a strong spirit.
She was laughing and chatting and I can say, honestly,
it is the first time that anyone ever ended a
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phone conversation with by saying later, Gator, So that says
a lot about the spirit of Jewel. A very sweet conversation.
She and producer Neil were chatting and they were talking
about trials in life, and she kept trying to coax
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him into talking about the trials in his own life,
and he said, I don't know, we're here to chat
with you, and She's like, bring them, bring them. And
he assured her that in the card game of life,
she would win that hand because she is going through
some pretty major things and handling them like a champ.
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So anyone that has battled cancer and is currently looking
at the battle of als is a pretty amazing thing
to see her in those kinds of spirit, spirit being
that kind of mental strength and place that she has
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found in her life to be strong and focused. And
I'm sure she has good days and bad days, but
that particular spirit and attitude is so important because there
is much that you can't change in life that will
come your way that really will weigh on you and
there's nothing you can do about it, But how you
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experience it is something you have control over. Your attitude
through it you can control. That's been said many times
before that life is ten percent what happens to you
and ninety percent how you deal with it. And really
that shows the character of who you are and the
strengths that you have, the tools that you have in
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your emotional tool belt to get you through life. It
really shows you that those those skills that you've built
up are practical that you can ply them in a
time of need. There are many people that have experienced
things and thought they had great tools, but the minute
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it weighs on them, they feel like the world is
crumbling around them. So let Jewel be an inspiration to
you as she is to me and the show. Dan,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Hello, I have a sister that that says, she reads
in the Bible that God is a punishing God. If
you lie, you cheat, you steal, God will come upon
you with his wrath and uh and and uh and
punish you. I always thought that that God was merciful,
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God was forgiving, God understood God. God helped you get
out of these things. But she's uh uh. She honestly
believes that, know, if you're a sinner, if you lie,
you cheat, you steal, that God's going to come upon
you and bad things are going to happen. He's going
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to come down with his wrath and and you better
watch out.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Well, it's a nice, healthy combination of the two beliefs. Really,
God is a God of justice, absolutely, and yes, I
will punish on according to the deeds that a person does. However,
keep in mind that often the punishment is the consequence
of the very act itself. You know, if you steal,
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if you live a life of crime, you'll probably go
to jail. So if you think that God, that that
mercy is somehow ignorant, or that grace is somehow blind,
that's absolutely wrong. God is a God of justice. Do
you think it's loving? Dan for a parent not to
punish their child when there when their child does something wrong,
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is that the loving.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Thing to do? Well?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I understand that, I understand that. But there's uh people
who who who in their hearts understand the wrong that.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
They do, then why do they do it?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Well? There's there's uh, there's good in my opinion, is
there's good and there's bad in this in this world? Yes,
And it's it's the nature. I think one could say,
if you have it lied, if you haven't cheated, you know,
throw the first roun Uh. It's it's human nature to
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to to to lie. I believe that nobody is one
hundred percent perfect.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, understood Dan? But or but you should be seeking
perfection even though you won't obtain it. You should always
seek being the best you can. You should always try
and eradicate one more lie from your conversation, from your day,
from your week.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
But you shouldn't be walking around thinking that you have
a get out of jail free card because you know God, No.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I believe I believe if you, if you do wrong,
you should pay the price.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Okay, Then when then wherein lies the problem? Well?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I'm not but I'm not talking about anything of physical
I'm not talking about you amongous things. That's stealing the
from the poor and robbing a bank and taking somebody's life.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But God sees those is all equal. You're the one
that sees those as different. Man sees those as a hierarchy.
But ultimately, any sin is a slap in the face
of God. Any sin, no matter how small.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I understand that. I understand that, I understand that. Well,
you've answered my question. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Oh I hope so, Dan, But I get the feeling
that maybe there's something else more to it. Truth be
told that it becomes very easy for people to try
and partition God. God is all love, God is all justice.
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God has wrath. God is compassionate. All these things are true.
You can't separate them and many of them go hand
in hand in a way that you don't even think about.
So to define, to think that God's going to look
the other way when you do things is not correct.
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God knows your heart as well. God knows when you
make mistakes. You can't just use the excuse that, oh, well,
I'm going to sin because I'm a sinner. God knows this.
As well. But you need to seek those things that
are good and trust that in your rebellion. If you
get into a state where you just continue to throw
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aside anything that God says and think, hey, well, I'm
just a sinner God, then you will lose sight of
God because the biggest consequence is it changing the relationship
you have with God because you start to distance yourself
from Him. So keep that in mind. Kim, Welcome to
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the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Thank you Jesus for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
My pleasure.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
What's going on? I'm going to start crying. I don't
want to cry. I have a parent, a mother that's deceased,
the father that's an alcoholic all his life. It's taken
a toll. He's got everything going for him where he's at,
and they're about to boot him from where he's at
due to his own alcohol abuse. And he's got the
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ultimate situation. He's in the most perfect place and he's
blowing it all and he's going to be on the
street homeless.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Why is the situation so perfect? Just the cost of
in the location and everything else.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Everything's everything's cater to his every need, and yet the
abuse continues, the denial the oh, the mentality of just
I can't say the words right now.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
How long has he been abusing alcohol?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Since way back in time?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Oh, gotcha. So this has been something that's been taking
place for a long time. Has he has he ever
gotten help? Has he ever been part of a program?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, And he's just stubborn and denial and just pompous
and very very this terrible personality when it comes to,
you know, the denial. And my mother was put through
this all her life with him, and speaking to an
aunt yesterday, she told me that she's just waitnessed it
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for fifty years herself, to abuse. My mom asked him
how she couldn't believe she hadn't stabbed in basically years ago,
and that's not even her, that's not even in her
her being. But I understand was at that level that
she's witnessed my mother through it and just said to
him point blank, I would have done that too long
time ago, you know, knowing what you put her through,
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and you know, it's just it go on and on,
and I have this whole thing where I'm like feeling
so bad every day for him and torturing myself when
I'm not the one doing anything wrong. It's just some
choice to do this. But it's awful because you don't
want to see your parents.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Go through this, of course not. And there comes a
time often where you have to make a decision because
you can become part of the problem. You can't really
help him, especially especially if he doesn't want help, So
to house him up or to take care of him
in that context isn't going to make things better.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Because they had a brother do that, and the brother
was tortured through it all. It's just like he was
in my mother's position again, and you know, it just
went on and on and three years went by and
it was no better and it was worse. And anybody
else trying to step forward to do that, it's going
to be put to the same torture. And it's just
it's not there. It's not right. But yet, how do
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you drive around on knowing your father's over there, not
even in a tent, living on the street. I mean,
it's so sad.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
But this is a choice, you know, But this is
a choice. I mean, it's I know that it's rough
to think about, and that you have the desire to
have compassion, but to what end do you do you
live alone?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yes, but I'm not in a financial situation where I
could put up with any kind of that because I
don't want to risk my own shelter.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, and you can't. That doesn't help the situation at all,
especially if you were both out on the streets.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Everybody with him.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
He needs help and sometimes hitting rock bottom is a necessity,
and that help.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
He's hit rock bottom in so many ways and so
many times, so many people have hurt themselves trying to
help him, because Dave ended up coming out scarred from
it badly.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well, Kim, you can't live life for someone else. You
can only you can only live your life. And it's
a sad truth. But when people get to a point
where they are rejecting things that are good for them,
there's not a whole lot you could do. Because what
he actually needs is is regiment. He needs very restricted guidelines.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
And yeah, you know, you talk to him and he says, oh,
I went to church, And I'm thinking, oh, yeah, you know,
you go to church is everything you think people want
to hear.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Because that makes you look better.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Sure, you're not sure.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And when you said that, my friends very religious. I
work with her, and I said what would you do?
What am I supposed to do? Love the mother, love
my father? She says, You know what, if it was
your mother, you would you could take her in in
that condition, because mothers are different than dad's. Dads are
supposed to be stronger. You know, you shouldn't have to
be putting up with that with your own father, But
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I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Well, it's a little different. And you and you sort
of paraphrase to scripture the one of the commandments to
honor your mother and father. But in that context, you're
supposed to honor your mother and father in what is honorable.
You don't just honor them to honor them, because there's
some really bad parents out there. So it's not just honor.
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It's honoring one parentage and the tradition of parentage, the
purpose of parentage and the parenting that goes along with it,
and the position of parenting and all of these things.
But not you know, someone that hurts you or beats you,
or treats you poorly, or you don't honor those things.
So in this particular case, Kim, your father needs to
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get into a program, and he's getting into a pretty
severe program, and that's not something that you could do
on your own. If you had the wherewithal to bring
him in under those guidelines, that would be a wonderful thing.
But it doesn't sound like you do, and it doesn't
sound like it would be beneficial to you or to
him to have him come in there. He's a grown man.
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He's made his choices, and there's going to be consequences
to those choices, and you need to allow him to
go through whatever pattern he needs to go through. Now
you can tell him I will absolutely let you come
live here after you do a year in a program
or whatever your criteria is going to be. But you
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have to set those guidelines and you can't just willingly
go yeah, you can come on in and everything's going
to be great, because it won't. Rachel, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Hi, Jesus, Hello, Hi, I have a question for you.
I was reading this morning numbers twenty two, and in
eighteen Baalim flat out says to the Lord, let's see here.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
He says, I.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Would be powerless to do anything against the will of
the Lord. And in twenty God came to Bailim and said,
since these men have come for you, get up and
go with them, and he tells him to go with
them and then drop down a little bit. In twenty two.
God was furious that Balem was going. And this troubles me.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I need to know that it seems out of seems
like a contradiction.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Yes, and I don't that's not the God that I know.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
No, it's like a sneaky God going go over here,
and now you went over there. There's a lot going
on here. And this involves the Angel of the Lord.
And if you notice, the Angel of the Lord does
not kill him, No, he doesn't. No, he actually gives him.
The concern here is about dealing with Balem's greed in
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his heart. He was tempted by the offers that were
coming his way. You can read numbers, you know, twenty
two to twelve. Also verse seventeen about the temptation, and
the intent was not about to kill him. It was
to remind him of what his original agreement was, because
he kept getting tempted and his heart was clearly filled
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with greed. As you read on and understand that it
wasn't a direct result of not in direct contradiction to
God's word, but he was rejecting it. In his heart,
so his greed had kind of come up with a way.
You can read about this in numbers thirty one sixteen.
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Come up with a way to help Israel's enemies. Will
not directly disobeying the Lord's command to speak only the
words that he would give to him. But he found
a way to kind of backdoor it to corrupt Israel
by allowing women to marry men of Israel and lead
them into idolatry. You can read about that in two
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Peter two fifteen. I hope that that
Speaker 1 (26:51):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Jeel, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Hi, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
How can I help you?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Well? I have a really silly question.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I bet it's not silly at all.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh, it's very silly, but I'll try to make this short. Okay,
I've already battled cancer. I'm gonna hear on that. And
I've dealt with many years of neuropathy. I was recently
diagnosed with ALS.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh goodness, and I am.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Told I'm fifty eight years old. I'm told one to
five years do I have to live? But because of
the neuropathy, it may have been diagnosed, so they don't
know how long I've had ALS. Here's my silly question.
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I have never been afraid of dying ever, I am now.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I don't know if when we pass, we do we
have to encounter people that we don't want to encounter.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Wait. Wait, wait, let me get this jewel. Wait a second.
So you're saying that you battled cancer, Yes, you've been
diagnosed with ALS. Yes you are a fighter, indeed, someone
very strong, and you're worried about who you'll bump into
in heaven.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Uh, when you say someone hurt you in what way?
Did they hurt you?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Well, physically, you know, as a child.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
What makes you think they're going to be in heaven.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I don't like the way you think.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, I mean, that's really one part of it.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It frightens me. I'm not frightened a passing. I'm frightened
of seeing other people that I don't want to see.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Okay, well, here's a couple of things. First and foremost,
you don't know who's going to be there. And the
second part of that is you have to trust God
that those that are there are supposed to be there.
And lastly, I want to read something to you from
Revelation twenty one four. This is about heaven, says he
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will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There will
be no more death or mourning or crying or pain,
for the old order of things has passed away. Those
things won't be there. It's not about a bigger earth,
a better earth with no crime. It's not about some
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sort of concept of a better humanity. Heaven is altogether different,
and I think a lot of people will see it
as a utopia, and it's not. It is altogether a
different place and experience than the human experience, and there
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will not be those concerns in the same way, in
the same sense, and you will have an understanding of
things differently. So in that time and God's will that
you go home to be with your Maker, those things
will be understood and every tear wiped away. There won't
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be the concept of death or pain or any of
those things. There won't even be a comparison of those things.
That's why when people think, like, oh, someone passes, are
they here on earth? No, there is not there. They
aren't thinking of the things of earth. There is no
not in this same way, in the same sense. And
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so you won't have those fears at all, or those concerns.
There won't be fear. It's the fulfillment of hope. So
you don't have to worry about bumping into someone you
don't want to see.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You're right, yeah, sorry, don't be I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
There should be no shame for emotions. They're one of
the most wonderful part of being human. Painful.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Maybe yes, I don't want to be afraid.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, no one wants to be afraid. Fear has its purpose.
Fear keeps you away from the edge of the cliff.
Fear keeps you away from sharp objects. Fear has a purpose,
but don't fear home.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No, fear is a good thing. I mean, I get that,
I certainly get that. I mean, my gosh, you don't
want your kid putting his hand on the stove.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
You know, of course, it has its purpose, but in
this particular case, there's a lot of question marks as
as too if this person would even be there to
begin with. But having said that, God's not going to
put you in a situation like that. It's the fulfillment
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again of hope, and it to be in that place
is not to be in a place of worry or
fear or awkwardness. Awkwardness or any of those things. You'll
understand and you'll be there, and you will have an
understanding understanding of everything that's occurred in your life in
a way that you could never on earth, and it
(06:29):
will come together. But there shouldn't be fear of that.
You continue to fight and remember doctors only can tell
you what they've seen before, not what they will see. Right,
And you have to hold on to those things and
be practical, put your things in order, be smart, but
(06:50):
always land on hope and understanding. That God's will be done.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yes, well, put my ducks in the room, as they say, good,
put my you know, step in order that the children
and whatnot. But mmm, I don't know why I'm so
afraid right now. I just don't know. It's not like me.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It's just the unknown. There's a lot you're staring something
in the face, seemingly, and that that's a that's a
pretty stark reality, and that's a that's a you know
that that makes you start you sound very reasonable. Just
that just your tone and the fight that you have
(07:42):
in you and the fight that you've been through so far.
So you look at those things and you and you've
battled them, and now you're looking You're going, Okay, I'll
take this enemy head on. But I don't know what
this enemy is going to look like. I don't know
what it's going to be like. And you start going
through the scenarios in your head as to what it
might be and what you might be up against. But
(08:04):
let me tell you something, You're up against nothing. When
you're there, you're home. Every question mark you've ever had
here on earth, everything you've wondered, why did I have
to go through that? Why was this why all of
those questions that you have will be fulfilled and understood
in a way and not comprehend here no matter what
(08:25):
I tell you, it will be the ultimate fulfillment and
the place of peace. The crescendo, the the eternal crescendo
that has no end, will feel like it never had
a beginning, and it will make sense and you'll be
at peace. There will be no more battles for you
(08:46):
to wage war against or to stand up against. No,
in the words of Shakespeare, no slings, no arrows of
outrageous fortune. No more do you have to battle with
any of that stuff. It's done. The battle is over there,
no more worries.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, but I don't mind the battle. I don't mind
the battle, but you don't do. I'm in a darn
wheelchair most my day. It's fine, it's fine, and I
walked half the day. I don't want the end of the.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Battle, but that is what you fight for. Everyone fights
for the end of the battle. Everyone. There's no one
who fights to fight. That's bizarre. You fight for the
end of the battle, the win, the victory, whatever it
might be. You fight for the end of the battle,
and the end of the battle I'm telling you is peace.
(09:46):
It's not fear. It's none of that. You've battled so
long that you don't even know what that is anymore.
But trust me, you'll like it. I guarantee. I just
(10:07):
got off the phone with Jewel, our last caller, and
we were chatting a little bit. Producer Neil got on
there as well, and what a doll and a strong spirit.
She was laughing and chatting and I can say, honestly,
it is the first time that anyone ever ended a
(10:34):
phone conversation with by saying later, Gator, So that says
a lot about the spirit of Jewel. A very sweet conversation.
She and producer Neil were chatting and they were talking
about trials in life, and she kept trying to coax
(10:55):
him into talking about the trials in his own life,
and he said, I don't know, we're here to chat
with you, and She's like, bring them, bring them. And
he assured her that in the card game of life,
she would win that hand because she is going through
some pretty major things and handling them like a champ.
(11:20):
So anyone that has battled cancer and is currently looking
at the battle of als is a pretty amazing thing
to see her in those kinds of spirit, spirit being
that kind of mental strength and place that she has
(11:41):
found in her life to be strong and focused. And
I'm sure she has good days and bad days, but
that particular spirit and attitude is so important because there
is much that you can't change in life that will
come your way that really will weigh on you and
there's nothing you can do about it, But how you
(12:03):
experience it is something you have control over. Your attitude
through it you can control. That's been said many times
before that life is ten percent what happens to you
and ninety percent how you deal with it. And really
that shows the character of who you are and the
strengths that you have, the tools that you have in
(12:25):
your emotional tool belt to get you through life. It
really shows you that those those skills that you've built
up are practical that you can ply them in a
time of need. There are many people that have experienced
things and thought they had great tools, but the minute
(12:48):
it weighs on them, they feel like the world is
crumbling around them. So let Jewel be an inspiration to
you as she is to me and the show. Dan,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Hello, I have a sister that that says, she reads
in the Bible that God is a punishing God. If
you lie, you cheat, you steal, God will come upon
you with his wrath and uh and and uh and
punish you. I always thought that that God was merciful,
(13:27):
God was forgiving, God understood God. God helped you get
out of these things. But she's uh uh. She honestly
believes that, know, if you're a sinner, if you lie,
you cheat, you steal, that God's going to come upon
you and bad things are going to happen. He's going
(13:47):
to come down with his wrath and and you better
watch out.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Well, it's a nice, healthy combination of the two beliefs. Really,
God is a God of justice, absolutely, and yes, I
will punish on according to the deeds that a person does. However,
keep in mind that often the punishment is the consequence
of the very act itself. You know, if you steal,
(14:13):
if you live a life of crime, you'll probably go
to jail. So if you think that God, that that
mercy is somehow ignorant, or that grace is somehow blind,
that's absolutely wrong. God is a God of justice. Do
you think it's loving? Dan for a parent not to
punish their child when there when their child does something wrong,
(14:35):
is that the loving.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Thing to do? Well?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I understand that, I understand that. But there's uh people
who who who in their hearts understand the wrong that.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
They do, then why do they do it?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Well? There's there's uh, there's good in my opinion, is
there's good and there's bad in this in this world? Yes,
And it's it's the nature. I think one could say,
if you have it lied, if you haven't cheated, you know,
throw the first roun Uh. It's it's human nature to
(15:22):
to to to lie. I believe that nobody is one
hundred percent perfect.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, understood Dan? But or but you should be seeking
perfection even though you won't obtain it. You should always
seek being the best you can. You should always try
and eradicate one more lie from your conversation, from your day,
from your week.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
But you shouldn't be walking around thinking that you have
a get out of jail free card because you know God, No.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I believe I believe if you, if you do wrong,
you should pay the price.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Okay, Then when then wherein lies the problem? Well?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I'm not but I'm not talking about anything of physical
I'm not talking about you amongous things. That's stealing the
from the poor and robbing a bank and taking somebody's life.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But God sees those is all equal. You're the one
that sees those as different. Man sees those as a hierarchy.
But ultimately, any sin is a slap in the face
of God. Any sin, no matter how small.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I understand that. I understand that, I understand that. Well,
you've answered my question. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Oh I hope so, Dan, But I get the feeling
that maybe there's something else more to it. Truth be
told that it becomes very easy for people to try
and partition God. God is all love, God is all justice.
(16:59):
God has wrath. God is compassionate. All these things are true.
You can't separate them and many of them go hand
in hand in a way that you don't even think about.
So to define, to think that God's going to look
the other way when you do things is not correct.
(17:19):
God knows your heart as well. God knows when you
make mistakes. You can't just use the excuse that, oh, well,
I'm going to sin because I'm a sinner. God knows this.
As well. But you need to seek those things that
are good and trust that in your rebellion. If you
get into a state where you just continue to throw
(17:42):
aside anything that God says and think, hey, well, I'm
just a sinner God, then you will lose sight of
God because the biggest consequence is it changing the relationship
you have with God because you start to distance yourself
from Him. So keep that in mind. Kim, Welcome to
(18:05):
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Thank you Jesus for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
My pleasure.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
What's going on? I'm going to start crying. I don't
want to cry. I have a parent, a mother that's deceased,
the father that's an alcoholic all his life. It's taken
a toll. He's got everything going for him where he's at,
and they're about to boot him from where he's at
due to his own alcohol abuse. And he's got the
(18:32):
ultimate situation. He's in the most perfect place and he's
blowing it all and he's going to be on the
street homeless.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Why is the situation so perfect? Just the cost of
in the location and everything else.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Everything's everything's cater to his every need, and yet the
abuse continues, the denial the oh, the mentality of just
I can't say the words right now.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
How long has he been abusing alcohol?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Since way back in time?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Oh, gotcha. So this has been something that's been taking
place for a long time. Has he has he ever
gotten help? Has he ever been part of a program?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, And he's just stubborn and denial and just pompous
and very very this terrible personality when it comes to,
you know, the denial. And my mother was put through
this all her life with him, and speaking to an
aunt yesterday, she told me that she's just waitnessed it
(19:36):
for fifty years herself, to abuse. My mom asked him
how she couldn't believe she hadn't stabbed in basically years ago,
and that's not even her, that's not even in her
her being. But I understand was at that level that
she's witnessed my mother through it and just said to
him point blank, I would have done that too long
time ago, you know, knowing what you put her through,
(20:00):
and you know, it's just it go on and on,
and I have this whole thing where I'm like feeling
so bad every day for him and torturing myself when
I'm not the one doing anything wrong. It's just some
choice to do this. But it's awful because you don't
want to see your parents.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Go through this, of course not. And there comes a
time often where you have to make a decision because
you can become part of the problem. You can't really
help him, especially especially if he doesn't want help, So
to house him up or to take care of him
in that context isn't going to make things better.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Because they had a brother do that, and the brother
was tortured through it all. It's just like he was
in my mother's position again, and you know, it just
went on and on and three years went by and
it was no better and it was worse. And anybody
else trying to step forward to do that, it's going
to be put to the same torture. And it's just
it's not there. It's not right. But yet, how do
(20:59):
you drive around on knowing your father's over there, not
even in a tent, living on the street. I mean,
it's so sad.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
But this is a choice, you know, But this is
a choice. I mean, it's I know that it's rough
to think about, and that you have the desire to
have compassion, but to what end do you do you
live alone?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yes, but I'm not in a financial situation where I
could put up with any kind of that because I
don't want to risk my own shelter.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, and you can't. That doesn't help the situation at all,
especially if you were both out on the streets.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Everybody with him.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
He needs help and sometimes hitting rock bottom is a necessity,
and that help.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
He's hit rock bottom in so many ways and so
many times, so many people have hurt themselves trying to
help him, because Dave ended up coming out scarred from
it badly.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well, Kim, you can't live life for someone else. You
can only you can only live your life. And it's
a sad truth. But when people get to a point
where they are rejecting things that are good for them,
there's not a whole lot you could do. Because what
he actually needs is is regiment. He needs very restricted guidelines.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
And yeah, you know, you talk to him and he says, oh,
I went to church, And I'm thinking, oh, yeah, you know,
you go to church is everything you think people want
to hear.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Because that makes you look better.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Sure, you're not sure.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And when you said that, my friends very religious. I
work with her, and I said what would you do?
What am I supposed to do? Love the mother, love
my father? She says, You know what, if it was
your mother, you would you could take her in in
that condition, because mothers are different than dad's. Dads are
supposed to be stronger. You know, you shouldn't have to
be putting up with that with your own father, But
(22:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Well, it's a little different. And you and you sort
of paraphrase to scripture the one of the commandments to
honor your mother and father. But in that context, you're
supposed to honor your mother and father in what is honorable.
You don't just honor them to honor them, because there's
some really bad parents out there. So it's not just honor.
(23:15):
It's honoring one parentage and the tradition of parentage, the
purpose of parentage and the parenting that goes along with it,
and the position of parenting and all of these things.
But not you know, someone that hurts you or beats you,
or treats you poorly, or you don't honor those things.
So in this particular case, Kim, your father needs to
(23:39):
get into a program, and he's getting into a pretty
severe program, and that's not something that you could do
on your own. If you had the wherewithal to bring
him in under those guidelines, that would be a wonderful thing.
But it doesn't sound like you do, and it doesn't
sound like it would be beneficial to you or to
him to have him come in there. He's a grown man.
(24:01):
He's made his choices, and there's going to be consequences
to those choices, and you need to allow him to
go through whatever pattern he needs to go through. Now
you can tell him I will absolutely let you come
live here after you do a year in a program
or whatever your criteria is going to be. But you
(24:23):
have to set those guidelines and you can't just willingly
go yeah, you can come on in and everything's going
to be great, because it won't. Rachel, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Hi, Jesus, Hello, Hi, I have a question for you.
I was reading this morning numbers twenty two, and in
eighteen Baalim flat out says to the Lord, let's see here.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
He says, I.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Would be powerless to do anything against the will of
the Lord. And in twenty God came to Bailim and said,
since these men have come for you, get up and
go with them, and he tells him to go with
them and then drop down a little bit. In twenty two.
God was furious that Balem was going. And this troubles me.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I need to know that it seems out of seems
like a contradiction.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Yes, and I don't that's not the God that I know.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
No, it's like a sneaky God going go over here,
and now you went over there. There's a lot going
on here. And this involves the Angel of the Lord.
And if you notice, the Angel of the Lord does
not kill him, No, he doesn't. No, he actually gives him.
The concern here is about dealing with Balem's greed in
(25:43):
his heart. He was tempted by the offers that were
coming his way. You can read numbers, you know, twenty
two to twelve. Also verse seventeen about the temptation, and
the intent was not about to kill him. It was
to remind him of what his original agreement was, because
he kept getting tempted and his heart was clearly filled
(26:06):
with greed. As you read on and understand that it
wasn't a direct result of not in direct contradiction to
God's word, but he was rejecting it. In his heart,
so his greed had kind of come up with a way.
You can read about this in numbers thirty one sixteen.
(26:27):
Come up with a way to help Israel's enemies. Will
not directly disobeying the Lord's command to speak only the
words that he would give to him. But he found
a way to kind of backdoor it to corrupt Israel
by allowing women to marry men of Israel and lead
them into idolatry. You can read about that in two
(26:49):
Peter two fifteen. I hope that that
Speaker 1 (26:51):
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