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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Debbie, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi you, Debbie, Hi, how
can I help you?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yeah? You bring such joy and you touched my life
in so many ways. I have a situation that has
brought me deeper into my faith. I was on wife'sport
a couple of years ago, but now I'm having these dreams.
They they diagnosed me with most traumatic stress disordered. My
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dreams are that I'm at my own funeral and all
these people that passed my casket have already passed, but
they seem so real. I could, you know. I hear
everything they say and how they miss me and all
the stuff. I'm just wondering. Is there any place in
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the Bible where I can go to get some guidance
to try to deal with this?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well? Sure, specifically, no, there's nothing specific about PTSD. Now
I would say, what is it that your physician? Why
do they think that you have this? Because this was
because of an illness?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh yeah, because I was on life support. I say,
the Good Lord pulled me through. I know he has
a plan for me. I'm just waiting for him to
tell me what that is. But I don't know. I
guess I'm confused. I don't know why I'm having the
dreams and why it would be.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well dreams.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Dreams play many parts in scripture, and sometimes a dream
is a dream, and most often people try and see
dreams as literal. But the most common theory, and one
of the best theories, is if you imagined a mirror,
a big mirror that was reflecting one of your bedrooms,
let's say in your home, and you could see everything.
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Let's say it's your bedroom. It's got the clock on
the table, the lamp, that beautiful lamp that you left
so much. You can see your bed, the window with
kids playing on the outside, and a tree and a
bird and all these things in that mirror. And then
if you went and you broke that mirror, and the
twisted pieces now would shift their perspective, and now maybe
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you would just see the bird instead of the kids
playing outside the window. And now the lamp would be
just above the bird, so it would look as if
the lamp was on top of the bird's head. And
all these things are a distorted view of something that
you already know or things that are in your life
on a day to day basis or are in your
heart or your head. So a dream often is very disjointed,
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and that's why when you wake up and you try
to piece it together, you're saying, well, I was in
my house, but it wasn't my house, but I knew
it was my house, but I didn't look anything like
my house. And you start doing those things because you're
starting to try and reconstruct something that is torn apart.
It's all piecemeal and it can be confusing. So I
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wouldn't take that dream per se as literal as much
as it is that, Yes, you had a traumatic experience
and you thought probably a lot about death and what
that would have been like, and what being absent from
the body or being absent from this world would be like.
It also made you think about those that you cared
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about it and or knew that had moved on before you,
and that comes together in a dream that can be
a little creepy and sad and those types of things.
So I don't know that you're going to pull direct
meaning out of it, but I will say this throughout scripture,
although it doesn't speak specifically to PTSD, And keep in
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mind PTSD is thrown around a lot there's very different
forms and for different reasons. There's those that come back
from combat and the military, and that's very specific and
different kind. But there's those that get it from watching
someone they care about passing away, or in your case,
you going through something physically draining that was scary and
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potentially life threatening, and you go through all those things
and they cause you to wonder about your stability. It's
like you live every day with the stability. It's like
if you could feel the earth move, how unsettling that
would be. You don't think about it. It's solid, it's not.
It's moving all the time. And there's things like that
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that you kind of ignore to get through life, and
when you're faced with them, it can shake your foundation
and make you quite nervous. I will say that there
are scriptures that talk about comfort and talk about the
process of comfort Second Corinthians one three through five, and
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it's a little interesting the way it's worded, so I
ask you to hear it in its fullness. It says,
Praise be to God and Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ,
the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,
who comforts us in our troubles, so that we can
comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves
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received from God. For just as we share abundantly in
the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ. Now,
the word comfort is used so much there it gets
kind of tied up in all of it. But when
you see it laid out, it's talking about the compassion
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of the Father and the God of all comfort. Every
comfort comes from God. The peace of life that you enjoy,
the things the stability in your life, Debbie, come from God.
So it talks about God being the author of all
of that comfort. Goes on to say, not only is
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God the author of comfort, but God actively comforts you
in your troubles. Why so that you also can comfort
others in trouble with what with the comfort that you
receive from God? But verse five is interesting because it
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doesn't say if there's no if here there's no maybe.
It says, for just as we share abundantly in the
sufferings of Christ, not if you have sufferings like Christ
or any of that. It's for just as we share
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abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort
abounds through Christ. And really focusing on God and letting
God be your stability because the world is not stable.
There are sharp corners to it. There are scary things
that happen, there are scary people, scary circumstances, and there
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are ugly things. There are accidents, there are ugly things
that happen. And if you focus on those things, if
you define yourself by that moment, if you define yourself
by the things that have happened to you, then yes,
that will build up inside you and that will become
your focus. If you focus on God, the unchanging creator
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of all creation and the author and distributor of comfort,
and you use what comfort you receive to comfort others
to the best of your ability. That's what you're called
to do right now, That's what God wants you to do.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I've devoted just about every minute of my datium since
I woke up out of on life support. And it
makes me such joy when I do that, and when
I mind myself falling back, that's when I start all
this stuff up again.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Had a girl. That's exactly right. So is there a
way for you to donate your time or to spend
time with others that might be in pain or going
through something done.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That I've done. I'm in Los Angeles and I walk
through the Parkstone on sched Row there and I've never
been able to talk about God or anything like that
until my life support a couple of years ago. And
I always I find myself talking to them about Him
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now and their problems, and when I get hold it
makes me feel better. And I know He's directing me
to do that. It's and it just seems like I'm
in that wall with me mode and I can't get
out of it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well, I beg to differ. I think you sound great,
and I will tell you there is and again there's
different types of PTSD, and I don't want people to
get confused. We're talking specifically about what you're going through,
and I will say this that there is an element
to it that no one else can give you in
any way, shape or form or speed up. And that
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is the element of time. So that is going to
be a huge part of this debb before you. Is
time is going to play a part. But everything you're
doing and everything you tell me you're doing is right
on the money. You keep going down that path because
that is the path that God has you on, and
that will be the path to your peace, talk about
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the things that are important in life and the afterlife.
Also to look at solutions rather than just problems, because
there are solutions. I know it feels sometimes like you
get wrapped up in things or life consumes you. And
my hope, my desire, my prayer is that when we
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get together on Sundays, it's to unravel some of that
and show you the light in a direction to go.
And I know that there are going to be things
in your life that will weigh you down or you know,
rock your world, and that that term rock your world
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when you really think about what it means, it it
takes your life off its foundation. It moves what in
your mind was the unmovable, and you walk through life.
You go through life going I believe this is the
way things are going to work. You walk through life
believing that your wife or your husband when they say
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they're going to love you and be with you forever,
that they're going to do that. Your children believe when
you say you're going to protect them, that you're going
to do that, that everything's going to be okay, that
everything is going to be okay. But the reality is
that's not the way things work, and there are problems,
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and there is pain, and there are lies, and there
are accidents and things happen. And if you bank on
the world always being okay, and if you expect that
there's never going to be any problems, you're going to
be surprised and your world will get rocked. But if
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you trust in God that does not move, that is
always the same. That is where the true stability in
life comes from. Andy, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Thank you for taking my call. I'm totally confused. Okay,
take part in take part in Bible studies, but we
have a conflict. And basically this is what it is.
Did Mary actually die, was buried or did she not
die and was ascended into Heaven.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well, there's that question is answered differently depending on what
side of the Christian Nile you said. As a Catholic,
the Catholics would say that she did not die, but
as a Protestant, Protestants would say that absolutely Mary did die.
So so really there and there's it doesn't say in
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scripture that Mary ascended or anything like that. That is
a Catholic belief. So it depends to whom you are
asking the question. As to what answer that you may get. Gary,
Welcome to Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Hello, how are you doing?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I'm well, Gary, How are you all right? How can
I help you?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Well?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
My question for you is a I have a I
have a real hard time in believing, just believing in
the Bible, believing God. I want to Oh, I see
I see people go to church. I see them, I
see them happy, I see them successful. I try to
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read Bible verses, and it's just really really hard for
me to uh two, to have faith and let everything go.
And I'm just so I'm so nervous and I'm so scared,
Like I just feel like there's a burden on me.
And I want to believe, but it's truly hard.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, first of all, I do want to point out
that not every Christian is happy, and certainly not every
Christian is successful. But I know what you're saying, that
you see that that that it does work for some
people and work in quotes, and that there's there might
be something to it. But what do you what do
you think is keeping? What are you afraid of?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I don't know, I don't know. I don't know what
it is. I don't know if it's depression. It just
I guess a lot of things have happened in my
life where I want to know why, Like why did
it happen? I don't want to blame something or blame God.
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I want I like to think that maybe it happened
for a reason. But it just after time after time again,
when something bad happens, I don't know why it happens,
and I want to know, and I want to believe
maybe maybe it's happening for a reason. And I ask questions,
you know, to the people that do I ask these
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questions to people that do go to church. I ask them,
you know, why why would God? Or how just how
how does this? How does how does it work? How
do you how do you believe in it so so faithfully?
How do you believe that He's there? How can you trust?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well? It's interesting that you talk about bad things happening,
and you also talked about good things happening. There's people
that have good things happen to them. Then you point
out that bad things happen. What's a what's a thing?
How could you describe what a good thing was or
a bad thing was if there wasn't some rule or
some judge something above it all that gives you that
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understanding and your heart and your head as to what's
good and bad. If there is no God, good and
bad doesn't mean anything. Is it society that decides, well,
that's good or that's bad. Because there's different societies that
believe different things. There's cannibalistic societies. You wouldn't think it
was good to eat people. So why why do you
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think things are good and bad and then question the
concept of God.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I guess, well, I guess what I feel in my heart.
I guess it's what I've been taught or just what
I know. I've never really been to church, never really
you know, study the I studied the Bible on my own.
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I read verses mostly. I read them about about the
loving part, because there's a lot of people in this
world that I feel they use the Bible two to
be bigoted, you know, and sure and not love and hate,
and that stuff makes me like it turns me away
from it. When people are like that, it just turns
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me away. And so I'm just confused. I don't I
don't know, And I want this, I want this burden,
this hole in my heart to stop. I want I
don't want it to be there. I want to I
want to be okay, and I'm looking for it, but
no one's ever really had the answers, and I'm doing
it on my own.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I feel, well, what are your questions?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
How do I believe? How do I believe it?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Like?
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Do I have to wait for a miracle or do
as you just keep studying?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Do I have to.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Just take it till I make it? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But you every day, every day you experience things. You
use faith every day. And let me explain, this is
what a lot of people in the church won't tell you.
They want you to believe that faith is this thing
where you just jump off every moment, that you don't
ask questions, that you don't wait for answers, you just
do it. And that's what faith is. And that's not faith.
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Is that portion that you can't know no matter what
you do, you can't know it. And that exists in life.
So ninety percent you can know, and you should know,
and you should learn and study ask questions. But there's
going to be a percentage, Gary, there's going to be
a part that you can't know. For instance, you look
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at a chair and you trust your eyes and you say,
my eyes say that's a chair. My eyes say that
that's a wood chair. My belief is, and my understanding
and my experience is that wood is strong, that when
it's put together in this way, that the carpenter probably
used wood, glue and nails or screws to combine them
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together to make that chair, and that that chair is
probably at a regulated construction in such a way that
it will withstand me sitting on it. But the minute
you sit on it, the moment Gary you put the
entire weight of who you are on that chair, that's faith.
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So with God, it's no different. You do everything you
can to study, to learn to find out things, but
there's a point where you can't know. You don't know
if that chair is going to hold you up to
you sit in it, and there's nothing in life. No
one can hand it to you, No one can point
you to a scripture and go and this is the
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one that's gonna make it all clear. This is the
one that you're gonna Christians act that way. Sometimes they're
eager and they want this is what's gonna do it?
Or all you got to do is this. It's not
about that. It is scripture says, test all things, hold
fast to that which is true. That's it. But you
will never know. You will look both ways when you
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get to the side of a street before you cross it,
and the little sign will say green, and you'll trust everything,
but you never know. There are people that have been
hit by planes that fell out of the sky when
they're crossing the street. You've been taught to look both ways.
No one says look up. So the minute you step
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into the street, it's with faith. You don't know all
the options. You'll never know all the variables. You'll never
know all the options. But you're to study and to
learn as much as you can. And then there's a
point where you have to have faith. You have to
walk into the street or you'll never go anywhere. You'll
have to sit in the chair, or you'll never have rest,
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and you just have to do it. You're not standing
around everywhere because well, I don't know. I mean, it
looks like wood, it looks like a chair. I'm trusting
that it was made by a manufacturer to proper specification.
They're going to hold me up or well, the sign
says green, but I don't know if they're not working properly.
And what if the light is really red but the
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sign says green, so I'm going to walk across the street.
Or this stop sign was put here, but I don't
know if the person driving can't read or doesn't understand
the sign. If you start doing that, you will never
do anything. You'll never move two point one. That's not
how you live in your everyday life. But for some reason,
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you've given yourself permission when it comes to God, that
you can throw every other thing out the window that
you do on a daily basis and make it different
for God. And I'm saying, sit in the chair, step
out into the street, trust the signs, look both ways,
get all your information as much as you can. But
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in order to actually apply something, there's a point of
trust and a point of faith. And if you look around,
there is nothing in this world, Gary, nothing that doesn't
have to point outside to explain its existence. You have
to point to your parents, who point to their parents,
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who point to their parents. The acorn points to the tree,
that points to the acorn. That chair that we talked
about made out of wood has to point to the tree,
and the carpenter and all of these things. And I'm saying,
if everything in the universe is contingent has to point
outside itself to explain its existence, then the universe itself
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is contingent and has to point out sign itself to
explain its existence. There is a lot of reason for
the existence of God. There is a lot of reason
and intellectual understanding for the existence of a creator. There
is nothing in science that ever says something comes from nothing.
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Science says the cause is always greater than the effect. Well,
if the effect is something, then the cause can't be nothing.
There's plenty. I could do this all day, Gary, but
it means nothing if you're not willing to apply it
to your life.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I understand, do you.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, So what do you do next?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Continue studying and like you said, take that, take that
at first step. I guess I'm thinking to build on it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Indeed, you have to have a foundation. Your foundation has
to be sturdy, just like anything else. Did your parents
ever have faith?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
We never really talked much about God. I mean there
were good parents. My dad passed away and mom's still here,
But I mean we didn't really go to church or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
No grandparents or anything. Were people of fact, No, they.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
No one ever really talked about God. My friends talked
more about it. But it's not They're not like Christians.
They're they're they're more spiritual than than anything.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I guess spirituality. Spirituality doesn't get you much on its
own because it doesn't It's like the concept of free
love rather than a relationship. It doesn't. It doesn't land anywhere.
There's no accountability, and I think you need accountability and
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you need that structure. So this is something you're going
to have to build from scratch. No one has pointed
you in a direction. And I'm saying that if you
get into scripture and you find yourself a good Bible teaching,
Bible believing church that is palatable to you, the way
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they worship and all those things, give them a little
bit of your trust to learn. And then if any
red flags go up or you have any concerns, you
call me back, Okay, sound good, and then we'll talk again.
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It's tough to find a way to apply your faith,
and it's one of those things that there is no
other way than to actually apply it. There's a lot
of counterfeits out there, and there's a lot of people
that want to point you in the wrong direction, and
I get that that can be scary, but doing nothing
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is not an option either, because that becomes a decision
that's passive, and in that passive decision, you end up
having consequences in your life, whether you want them or not.
So better to do your homework, to show yourself approved,
as it says in scripture, and to study and test
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all things, holding fast to that which is true. To
learn but what God may have in store for you
and what God wants from you in this life. And
I know it's very easy to roll your eyes and
go oh, by more religion. I'm not trying to put
more religion in your life. Structure, faith, understanding, accountability, absolutely,
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but more religion. Eh. It's not about stained glass windows
or big buildings. It's not about fancy hairdos and nice suits,
polished shoes and a southern twang. It's not about knowing
how to tell a joke or to tell a good story.
It's about learning and understanding the purpose as to why
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you're here. And there is a purpose, and God has
a path and a plan for you, and He's ready
to show you when you're ready to receive it. KFI
AM sixty on demand
You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Debbie, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi you, Debbie, Hi, how
can I help you?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yeah? You bring such joy and you touched my life
in so many ways. I have a situation that has
brought me deeper into my faith. I was on wife'sport
a couple of years ago, but now I'm having these dreams.
They they diagnosed me with most traumatic stress disordered. My
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dreams are that I'm at my own funeral and all
these people that passed my casket have already passed, but
they seem so real. I could, you know. I hear
everything they say and how they miss me and all
the stuff. I'm just wondering. Is there any place in
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the Bible where I can go to get some guidance
to try to deal with this?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well? Sure, specifically, no, there's nothing specific about PTSD. Now
I would say, what is it that your physician? Why
do they think that you have this? Because this was
because of an illness?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh yeah, because I was on life support. I say,
the Good Lord pulled me through. I know he has
a plan for me. I'm just waiting for him to
tell me what that is. But I don't know. I
guess I'm confused. I don't know why I'm having the
dreams and why it would be.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well dreams.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Dreams play many parts in scripture, and sometimes a dream
is a dream, and most often people try and see
dreams as literal. But the most common theory, and one
of the best theories, is if you imagined a mirror,
a big mirror that was reflecting one of your bedrooms,
let's say in your home, and you could see everything.
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Let's say it's your bedroom. It's got the clock on
the table, the lamp, that beautiful lamp that you left
so much. You can see your bed, the window with
kids playing on the outside, and a tree and a
bird and all these things in that mirror. And then
if you went and you broke that mirror, and the
twisted pieces now would shift their perspective, and now maybe
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you would just see the bird instead of the kids
playing outside the window. And now the lamp would be
just above the bird, so it would look as if
the lamp was on top of the bird's head. And
all these things are a distorted view of something that
you already know or things that are in your life
on a day to day basis or are in your
heart or your head. So a dream often is very disjointed,
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and that's why when you wake up and you try
to piece it together, you're saying, well, I was in
my house, but it wasn't my house, but I knew
it was my house, but I didn't look anything like
my house. And you start doing those things because you're
starting to try and reconstruct something that is torn apart.
It's all piecemeal and it can be confusing. So I
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wouldn't take that dream per se as literal as much
as it is that, Yes, you had a traumatic experience
and you thought probably a lot about death and what
that would have been like, and what being absent from
the body or being absent from this world would be like.
It also made you think about those that you cared
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about it and or knew that had moved on before you,
and that comes together in a dream that can be
a little creepy and sad and those types of things.
So I don't know that you're going to pull direct
meaning out of it, but I will say this throughout scripture,
although it doesn't speak specifically to PTSD, And keep in
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mind PTSD is thrown around a lot there's very different
forms and for different reasons. There's those that come back
from combat and the military, and that's very specific and
different kind. But there's those that get it from watching
someone they care about passing away, or in your case,
you going through something physically draining that was scary and
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potentially life threatening, and you go through all those things
and they cause you to wonder about your stability. It's
like you live every day with the stability. It's like
if you could feel the earth move, how unsettling that
would be. You don't think about it. It's solid, it's not.
It's moving all the time. And there's things like that
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that you kind of ignore to get through life, and
when you're faced with them, it can shake your foundation
and make you quite nervous. I will say that there
are scriptures that talk about comfort and talk about the
process of comfort Second Corinthians one three through five, and
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it's a little interesting the way it's worded, so I
ask you to hear it in its fullness. It says,
Praise be to God and Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ,
the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,
who comforts us in our troubles, so that we can
comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves
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received from God. For just as we share abundantly in
the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ. Now,
the word comfort is used so much there it gets
kind of tied up in all of it. But when
you see it laid out, it's talking about the compassion
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of the Father and the God of all comfort. Every
comfort comes from God. The peace of life that you enjoy,
the things the stability in your life, Debbie, come from God.
So it talks about God being the author of all
of that comfort. Goes on to say, not only is
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God the author of comfort, but God actively comforts you
in your troubles. Why so that you also can comfort
others in trouble with what with the comfort that you
receive from God? But verse five is interesting because it
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doesn't say if there's no if here there's no maybe.
It says, for just as we share abundantly in the
sufferings of Christ, not if you have sufferings like Christ
or any of that. It's for just as we share
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abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort
abounds through Christ. And really focusing on God and letting
God be your stability because the world is not stable.
There are sharp corners to it. There are scary things
that happen, there are scary people, scary circumstances, and there
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are ugly things. There are accidents, there are ugly things
that happen. And if you focus on those things, if
you define yourself by that moment, if you define yourself
by the things that have happened to you, then yes,
that will build up inside you and that will become
your focus. If you focus on God, the unchanging creator
(07:58):
of all creation and the author and distributor of comfort,
and you use what comfort you receive to comfort others
to the best of your ability. That's what you're called
to do right now, That's what God wants you to do.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I've devoted just about every minute of my datium since
I woke up out of on life support. And it
makes me such joy when I do that, and when
I mind myself falling back, that's when I start all
this stuff up again.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Had a girl. That's exactly right. So is there a
way for you to donate your time or to spend
time with others that might be in pain or going
through something done.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That I've done. I'm in Los Angeles and I walk
through the Parkstone on sched Row there and I've never
been able to talk about God or anything like that
until my life support a couple of years ago. And
I always I find myself talking to them about Him
(09:07):
now and their problems, and when I get hold it
makes me feel better. And I know He's directing me
to do that. It's and it just seems like I'm
in that wall with me mode and I can't get
out of it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well, I beg to differ. I think you sound great,
and I will tell you there is and again there's
different types of PTSD, and I don't want people to
get confused. We're talking specifically about what you're going through,
and I will say this that there is an element
to it that no one else can give you in
any way, shape or form or speed up. And that
(09:45):
is the element of time. So that is going to
be a huge part of this debb before you. Is
time is going to play a part. But everything you're
doing and everything you tell me you're doing is right
on the money. You keep going down that path because
that is the path that God has you on, and
that will be the path to your peace, talk about
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the things that are important in life and the afterlife.
Also to look at solutions rather than just problems, because
there are solutions. I know it feels sometimes like you
get wrapped up in things or life consumes you. And
my hope, my desire, my prayer is that when we
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get together on Sundays, it's to unravel some of that
and show you the light in a direction to go.
And I know that there are going to be things
in your life that will weigh you down or you know,
rock your world, and that that term rock your world
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when you really think about what it means, it it
takes your life off its foundation. It moves what in
your mind was the unmovable, and you walk through life.
You go through life going I believe this is the
way things are going to work. You walk through life
believing that your wife or your husband when they say
(11:18):
they're going to love you and be with you forever,
that they're going to do that. Your children believe when
you say you're going to protect them, that you're going
to do that, that everything's going to be okay, that
everything is going to be okay. But the reality is
that's not the way things work, and there are problems,
(11:39):
and there is pain, and there are lies, and there
are accidents and things happen. And if you bank on
the world always being okay, and if you expect that
there's never going to be any problems, you're going to
be surprised and your world will get rocked. But if
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you trust in God that does not move, that is
always the same. That is where the true stability in
life comes from. Andy, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Thank you for taking my call. I'm totally confused. Okay,
take part in take part in Bible studies, but we
have a conflict. And basically this is what it is.
Did Mary actually die, was buried or did she not
die and was ascended into Heaven.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well, there's that question is answered differently depending on what
side of the Christian Nile you said. As a Catholic,
the Catholics would say that she did not die, but
as a Protestant, Protestants would say that absolutely Mary did die.
So so really there and there's it doesn't say in
(13:02):
scripture that Mary ascended or anything like that. That is
a Catholic belief. So it depends to whom you are
asking the question. As to what answer that you may get. Gary,
Welcome to Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Hello, how are you doing?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I'm well, Gary, How are you all right? How can
I help you?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Well?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
My question for you is a I have a I
have a real hard time in believing, just believing in
the Bible, believing God. I want to Oh, I see
I see people go to church. I see them, I
see them happy, I see them successful. I try to
(13:56):
read Bible verses, and it's just really really hard for
me to uh two, to have faith and let everything go.
And I'm just so I'm so nervous and I'm so scared,
Like I just feel like there's a burden on me.
And I want to believe, but it's truly hard.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, first of all, I do want to point out
that not every Christian is happy, and certainly not every
Christian is successful. But I know what you're saying, that
you see that that that it does work for some
people and work in quotes, and that there's there might
be something to it. But what do you what do
you think is keeping? What are you afraid of?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I don't know, I don't know. I don't know what
it is. I don't know if it's depression. It just
I guess a lot of things have happened in my
life where I want to know why, Like why did
it happen? I don't want to blame something or blame God.
(15:03):
I want I like to think that maybe it happened
for a reason. But it just after time after time again,
when something bad happens, I don't know why it happens,
and I want to know, and I want to believe
maybe maybe it's happening for a reason. And I ask questions,
you know, to the people that do I ask these
(15:24):
questions to people that do go to church. I ask them,
you know, why why would God? Or how just how
how does this? How does how does it work? How
do you how do you believe in it so so faithfully?
How do you believe that He's there? How can you trust?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well? It's interesting that you talk about bad things happening,
and you also talked about good things happening. There's people
that have good things happen to them. Then you point
out that bad things happen. What's a what's a thing?
How could you describe what a good thing was or
a bad thing was if there wasn't some rule or
some judge something above it all that gives you that
(16:10):
understanding and your heart and your head as to what's
good and bad. If there is no God, good and
bad doesn't mean anything. Is it society that decides, well,
that's good or that's bad. Because there's different societies that
believe different things. There's cannibalistic societies. You wouldn't think it
was good to eat people. So why why do you
(16:33):
think things are good and bad and then question the
concept of God.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I guess, well, I guess what I feel in my heart.
I guess it's what I've been taught or just what
I know. I've never really been to church, never really
you know, study the I studied the Bible on my own.
(17:04):
I read verses mostly. I read them about about the
loving part, because there's a lot of people in this
world that I feel they use the Bible two to
be bigoted, you know, and sure and not love and hate,
and that stuff makes me like it turns me away
from it. When people are like that, it just turns
(17:27):
me away. And so I'm just confused. I don't I
don't know, And I want this, I want this burden,
this hole in my heart to stop. I want I
don't want it to be there. I want to I
want to be okay, and I'm looking for it, but
no one's ever really had the answers, and I'm doing
it on my own.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I feel, well, what are your questions?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
How do I believe? How do I believe it?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Like?
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Do I have to wait for a miracle or do
as you just keep studying?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Do I have to.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Just take it till I make it? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But you every day, every day you experience things. You
use faith every day. And let me explain, this is
what a lot of people in the church won't tell you.
They want you to believe that faith is this thing
where you just jump off every moment, that you don't
ask questions, that you don't wait for answers, you just
do it. And that's what faith is. And that's not faith.
(18:34):
Is that portion that you can't know no matter what
you do, you can't know it. And that exists in life.
So ninety percent you can know, and you should know,
and you should learn and study ask questions. But there's
going to be a percentage, Gary, there's going to be
a part that you can't know. For instance, you look
(18:55):
at a chair and you trust your eyes and you say,
my eyes say that's a chair. My eyes say that
that's a wood chair. My belief is, and my understanding
and my experience is that wood is strong, that when
it's put together in this way, that the carpenter probably
used wood, glue and nails or screws to combine them
(19:17):
together to make that chair, and that that chair is
probably at a regulated construction in such a way that
it will withstand me sitting on it. But the minute
you sit on it, the moment Gary you put the
entire weight of who you are on that chair, that's faith.
(19:40):
So with God, it's no different. You do everything you
can to study, to learn to find out things, but
there's a point where you can't know. You don't know
if that chair is going to hold you up to
you sit in it, and there's nothing in life. No
one can hand it to you, No one can point
you to a scripture and go and this is the
(20:00):
one that's gonna make it all clear. This is the
one that you're gonna Christians act that way. Sometimes they're
eager and they want this is what's gonna do it?
Or all you got to do is this. It's not
about that. It is scripture says, test all things, hold
fast to that which is true. That's it. But you
will never know. You will look both ways when you
(20:22):
get to the side of a street before you cross it,
and the little sign will say green, and you'll trust everything,
but you never know. There are people that have been
hit by planes that fell out of the sky when
they're crossing the street. You've been taught to look both ways.
No one says look up. So the minute you step
(20:42):
into the street, it's with faith. You don't know all
the options. You'll never know all the variables. You'll never
know all the options. But you're to study and to
learn as much as you can. And then there's a
point where you have to have faith. You have to
walk into the street or you'll never go anywhere. You'll
have to sit in the chair, or you'll never have rest,
(21:05):
and you just have to do it. You're not standing
around everywhere because well, I don't know. I mean, it
looks like wood, it looks like a chair. I'm trusting
that it was made by a manufacturer to proper specification.
They're going to hold me up or well, the sign
says green, but I don't know if they're not working properly.
And what if the light is really red but the
(21:26):
sign says green, so I'm going to walk across the street.
Or this stop sign was put here, but I don't
know if the person driving can't read or doesn't understand
the sign. If you start doing that, you will never
do anything. You'll never move two point one. That's not
how you live in your everyday life. But for some reason,
(21:48):
you've given yourself permission when it comes to God, that
you can throw every other thing out the window that
you do on a daily basis and make it different
for God. And I'm saying, sit in the chair, step
out into the street, trust the signs, look both ways,
get all your information as much as you can. But
(22:12):
in order to actually apply something, there's a point of
trust and a point of faith. And if you look around,
there is nothing in this world, Gary, nothing that doesn't
have to point outside to explain its existence. You have
to point to your parents, who point to their parents,
(22:33):
who point to their parents. The acorn points to the tree,
that points to the acorn. That chair that we talked
about made out of wood has to point to the tree,
and the carpenter and all of these things. And I'm saying,
if everything in the universe is contingent has to point
outside itself to explain its existence, then the universe itself
(22:54):
is contingent and has to point out sign itself to
explain its existence. There is a lot of reason for
the existence of God. There is a lot of reason
and intellectual understanding for the existence of a creator. There
is nothing in science that ever says something comes from nothing.
(23:16):
Science says the cause is always greater than the effect. Well,
if the effect is something, then the cause can't be nothing.
There's plenty. I could do this all day, Gary, but
it means nothing if you're not willing to apply it
to your life.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I understand, do you.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, So what do you do next?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Continue studying and like you said, take that, take that
at first step. I guess I'm thinking to build on it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Indeed, you have to have a foundation. Your foundation has
to be sturdy, just like anything else. Did your parents
ever have faith?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
We never really talked much about God. I mean there
were good parents. My dad passed away and mom's still here,
But I mean we didn't really go to church or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
No grandparents or anything. Were people of fact, No, they.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
No one ever really talked about God. My friends talked
more about it. But it's not They're not like Christians.
They're they're they're more spiritual than than anything.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I guess spirituality. Spirituality doesn't get you much on its
own because it doesn't It's like the concept of free
love rather than a relationship. It doesn't. It doesn't land anywhere.
There's no accountability, and I think you need accountability and
(25:06):
you need that structure. So this is something you're going
to have to build from scratch. No one has pointed
you in a direction. And I'm saying that if you
get into scripture and you find yourself a good Bible teaching,
Bible believing church that is palatable to you, the way
(25:27):
they worship and all those things, give them a little
bit of your trust to learn. And then if any
red flags go up or you have any concerns, you
call me back, Okay, sound good, and then we'll talk again.
(25:47):
It's tough to find a way to apply your faith,
and it's one of those things that there is no
other way than to actually apply it. There's a lot
of counterfeits out there, and there's a lot of people
that want to point you in the wrong direction, and
I get that that can be scary, but doing nothing
(26:08):
is not an option either, because that becomes a decision
that's passive, and in that passive decision, you end up
having consequences in your life, whether you want them or not.
So better to do your homework, to show yourself approved,
as it says in scripture, and to study and test
(26:30):
all things, holding fast to that which is true. To
learn but what God may have in store for you
and what God wants from you in this life. And
I know it's very easy to roll your eyes and
go oh, by more religion. I'm not trying to put
more religion in your life. Structure, faith, understanding, accountability, absolutely,
(26:57):
but more religion. Eh. It's not about stained glass windows
or big buildings. It's not about fancy hairdos and nice suits,
polished shoes and a southern twang. It's not about knowing
how to tell a joke or to tell a good story.
It's about learning and understanding the purpose as to why
(27:19):
you're here. And there is a purpose, and God has
a path and a plan for you, and He's ready
to show you when you're ready to receive it. KFI
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