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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI on demand. Jim, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hi, how are you, Jesus?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm well, Jim. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm just having problems in my marriage. It's my second marriage,
and I'm not sure what to do.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I've been married now, in my second marriage for six years.
I was married fifteen years prior to that to another
woman who I am friends with. Now. Basically, you know,
the blended family thing is just not it's really not working.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So you there's kids, both from previous marriage.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
He has she has.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Two daughters, and I have one daughter. And they're all
teenagers and they're all girls. So I live in a
house basically with four with four you know, young women
and one adult woman. And you know, from a man's
point of view, at least from my point of view,
it's very difficult at times to deal with their mood swings,
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you know, from their hormonal or whatever standpoint. And I,
you know, prior to her meeting me, I used to
drink a lot. When I separated from my first wife,
I suffered depression and I drank a lot. And I
had a lot of women in my life, Okay, to escape.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And what were you escaping from?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Changed all that?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So what were you escaping from.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
The pain of.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Not being with my daughter?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, and.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You know I've changed all that, but you know, she
just still doesn't trust me. I'm always getting accused if
I'm a salesman, if I get if I get home late,
if I leave early, you know, if she reads my
text messages, which I don't have a problem with, but
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you know, ask me in a way that you know
is respectful, don't accuse me of stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Well, well, let's kind of look at this through a
couple of different perspectives. First of all, you mentioned the
being with a bunch of women and their home hormones
or whatever. I don't know that that's particularly the case.
There's many things that can cause issues when you blend
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a family automatically, and it doesn't necessarily have anything to
do with hormones. So I don't know that that's always
the fair assessment. I know many guys tend to go
to that place, but there can be a lot of
things that you're bringing to the equation that can cause
people to be upset or what have you. You have
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had a pattern. This doesn't come out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
You may know that it's unjustified now, but her, your
wife's emotions aren't completely unjustified. It you you've said yourself
that you used to drink and used to womanize exactly,
So these are all based on things you've done in
the past.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
How is how is the.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
So other than than your wife being curious as to
where you are and what you're doing. How is the
so called problems in the blended family.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Materializing?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I mean it was a struggle. It was a struggle
early on, a real struggle. And you know, especially with
one of her daughters, you know, who was really disrespectful
and and just you know the way she was raised.
She she, my my new wife, came from a really
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bad marriage where there he was verbally and emotionally abusive
to them, and so she really had a negative attitude.
And you know, I had to have a I was gentle,
but yet at the same time, I had to have
a firm hand if I was going to make this
work with them. And I'm not allowed now to say anything.
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My opinion is not respected or allowed. And if I
see something that I don't think is right, I state
my opinion. I do it respectfully, but I'm basically shot down.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
What would be something you see that you don't feel
is right?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Okay, well I think that Okay. The oldest daughter is
the one that I have the problems the most with,
and I love her dearly, but she is a procrastinator.
She's an underachiever. She's had several boyfriends after her mother
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swear that she would not let her have boyfriends anymore.
And she spends a lot of time on the couch
watching television.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
How old is she?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
She's seventeen. She's going to be going to college this fall,
so is my daughter. But my daughter is a four
point two student, which you know, I'm not comparing the
grade point averages.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Here, Yeah you are. You just did actually literally you
just did well.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I guess I did. But I'm comparing the effort, is
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Is there do you find that there's a learning disability
of any kind with the eldest daughter or anything that
might cause that to manifest in a way that hurts?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Like her youngest daughter is fourteen, and she's very smart
and gets all a's in school too, And she says,
well that her older daughter just struggles. She's just not
as you know, smart, as the other ones. And I
don't I'm not willing to sell you sold on that.
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I think she is that smart.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Okay, has he did the eldest daughter do better in
school at one time?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Or Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
When she was in middle school, in junior high school,
she did a lot better than she Then she got
into high school.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And what happened around high school.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Well, you know the first thing that happened is that
she I got a phone call because her mom was
out of town, and I got a phone call and
she was caught having intercourse with a boy at school.
And I mean I didn't say anything. I didn't yell
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at her. I went and picked her up, and she
got suspended from school. And I talked to her and
I said, you know, people make mistakes, and you know,
did you use protection? And I asked the basic questions
and I let it go. At that point, I said,
you're going to have to deal with your mother at
this point, because I don't handle I'd never handled her
girls in that fashion. I've just stated my.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Case, okay, And what what kind of relationship does the
eldest daughter have with her birth father?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
She moved out she when she was fourteen, She left
him and came to the house because she wanted to
be with me rather than him.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And do you guys bicker?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Are we excuse me?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Do you bicker? Do you fight? Like not knockdown, drag out.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
We don't bicker. We don't bicker. There's times where she's
out of wine, where you know, she gets frustrated because
I tell her, you know what, you need to just
go to your room and be quiet, and she gets
a little bit upset about that.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
But we don't.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
We don't fight, We don't argue. I mean, and for
the most part, she respects me all the time. If
I ask her for her help, she helps. You know,
she's a good kid. But you know, there's things about
her that I wish to improve, and I'm not being
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allowed to do it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Okay, but it's going to be hard to improve. You've
got a lot going on.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
First of all, she came into your life at you know,
eleven years old or so, and you're dealing with her
as she's going through an important time in her life,
and she's being pulled apart from a family that in
her head was always going to be together, regardless of
whatever problems they had in that household blended families can
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be very difficult. The key always is going to be
between you and the mother, two parents loving each other
and being the example, setting the example. As far as discipline,
the discipline of those children is really going to be
based on your wife.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Their mother.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
She should set the tone for discipline for those girls
because they're her girls. And you can be a good
step dad, and you can be good counsel to your
wife and all of those things, but she has to
raise those children, and you've got one that's going to
go off to college.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You can't help.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
But wonder if there's a sexual intercourse going on at
such a young age that it might not have something
to do with her searching for that male attention and
those things that are being torn apart in her life.
It's not about being a stern hand. It's about being
a good voice and a good partner to your wife
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in a way that the kids, all the kids yours
and hers, can see it and use it as an example.
That's the best you're going to be able to do
in a situation like this. Sean, Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Hi, all right, My question is why did Satan rebel
against God? If you ultimately knew God would destroying at
the end, and basically, you know what makes Stayton think
that he'll be able to result himself above the.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Throne of God.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
It's an interesting question because you think, Wow, you know
you're there in the presence of God already, You're a
special creation, a beautiful angel, powerful angel, and then all
of a sudden there's this rebellion. The belief in modern
Christian theology is very simple.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's pride.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Now, Angels have the same ability to rebel as humans do,
with some exceptions. They have the total sum knowledge they
will will ever have, so anything done will be permanent,
and the decision has been made, both good and bad
has been made. So the one third of Heaven that
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went with him all locked, that's their decision. Those that
stayed all locked, that's their decision. It is also said
that it is believed that angel have intellect, will, and
emotion as well, the same as humans do. Again, the
difference being they have the total some knowledge they're going
to have. Whereas you are accumulating knowledge throughout your life,
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and only at the point of death will you be
at that point that that same point that an angel
would be where you had the total knowledge of making
any decision that would be permanent. So now you take
all of those things, and you have this angel that
slowly starts becoming prideful, wanting to be God. Isaiah fourteen
twelve through fourteen. How you are fallen from heaven oday, star,
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son of Dawn, How you are cut down to the ground.
You lay the nations low. You said in your heart,
I will ascend to heaven above the stars of God.
I will set my throne on high. I will sit
on the mount of Assembly. And it goes on and on, and.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Well, that's the version I'm kind of stuck at because
so if angels are supposedly, you know, a thousand times
smarter than us humans are, I mean, how does that
make any sense that he knows that he's signing his
own descentence? Or does she think that?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Isn't that interesting that your assumption is that sin is
based on ignorance not intelligence. That's not the case. It's
a matter of thinking you can get away with it,
building up pride. That's what we talked about earlier, getting
to a place where you know, many criminals are caught
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people they understand the consequences, but you fool yourself into
believing and you think it's an intelligent thing, and it's
not not at all. Pride supersedes that. Pride becomes the
power that leads, not the mind or the intellect. So
you go straight to the smarts when it's not smarts
at all. It has nothing to do with that. It's
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pride that builds up exactly every time think about the
things you do wrong in life. So Sean, when you
make mistakes or you sin, you know you're you're coming
for that sin. You know you're approaching it, and you're
justifying it in your head. Well, it's okay if I
speed because I need to get there and I'm a
little late, or I'm a good driver. These other people
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are idiots, but I'm good and I'll take.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Care of this.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
You justify it, and that's all the enemy did. It's
not about intellect at all. There's very smart criminals out there.
All they do is they allow their emotions to supersede
their greed, to supersede their intellect, to transcend above that
and tell them, hey, you could be something even better
if you broke the rules. Karen, Welcome to the Jesus
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christ Show.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Hi, good morning. I was wondering about pluralistic marriage where
a man could have more than one wife in the
Old Testament, and my husband and I are just driving
along and discussing this. So I was wondering if you
could give me some insight about when that became permissible
in the Old Testament and then when it stops being permissible.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Okay, it's not permissible, it's never permissible.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Good.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Why is your husband?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Is he trying to negotiate with you? Or this is
just theological.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
We're driving along and we've got the Bible. We just
we talk about things.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay, that's wonderful.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I was wondering, you know, somehow he was going, so, honey,
what would you think if we got a little, you know,
extra help around the house?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yeah, probably not not a good idea. But since you
both are just looking at it academically, understand this that
not everything in the the Bible is prescribing what you
what you should do. Sometimes it just talks about what's
being done, and that happens throughout the entirety of scripture. Now,
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there's ways that you can you can conclude based on
what's being said in scripture. Uh, that polygamy is not
for the godly person. In the New Testament, for Timothy
three to two and twelve Titus one six, it talks
about the standard and qualifications for spiritual leadership, and that
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person is to be a husband of one wife, it says, right.
And it also goes on to talk about different things
that dealing with leadership, dealing a beat, like being above reproach,
being temperate, self control, respectable, hospitable. So if these things
are for every believer, then there's no reason to believe
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in not just for leadership, there's no reason to believe
that the other qualifications here in this case dealing with
the husband of one wife, that that is not forevery
Christian either. Plus, you can look back to Adam and
Eve and the creation, that God was looking to build
a couple that would work together and that could be partners.
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And the word in scripture is help meet, and that
God wanted Adam to have a help meet or help meet,
and in this case it was woman, and it was
one woman. So when you combine all those things and
you look, you can even find in Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy seventeen
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fourteen through twenty, if you read through that you'll see
that it's talking about having that it's not good to
have multiple wives and these types of things. So anything
that's prescriptive, that's prescribing what you should do or not
do in scripture.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
In scripture says no, not good.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
But the other stuff is just describing what's taking place,
that there are people that were doing that, but it
describes all kinds of sins in scripture, correct.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Correct, And was the action of taking more than one
wife influenced by the cultures around them?
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Many times that's why you're not seeing a direct consequence.
So you're not seeing a consequence necessarily to it. So
you think, well, gosh, you know, maybe God is okaying
it or giving any thumbs up. No, there's a different friends,
because God allows all kinds of things, and the Father
is very allowing because humans need to make their decisions.
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So if God was constantly coming down and stopping you
from making a decision, then no one would have free will.
And that in the case of people in scripture that
you know, people will say, well, what about you know,
mighty kings, what about Solomon? What about these things? Well,
if God says they're great, then how come they're doing
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things that aren't great. But that's the entirety of scripture.
Moses was a murderer, you remember, Moses murdered the Egyptian
and he looked left, he looked right, and forgot to
look up, you know. And so there's there's many times
where you will find people who miss the mark in
scripture that are still referred to as great men and women.
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It's because they in overall, looking at them in comparison
to other humans and to the will and want of God,
that they're standing up to a certain standard. But they
all are sinners, and they all will make mistakes, and
some of them grievous mistakes. So there if you look
through scripture and the men of renown and those that
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people often quote as being wonderful and great and everything,
they all have problems. And that goes for even great
kings with you know, the the heart and mind of God.
There are those that make many mistakes. But polygamy is
never in scripture condoned. It's allowed, just as any other
sin is allowed.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
But not condoned. Very good, So I hope that helps
your drive this morning.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
It does, it does, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
There is nothing more beautiful to me than when a
couple takes the time to spend and discuss these things.
I just I think it's fabulous. It builds a wonderful
relationship between two people to engage in ideas and thoughts
and wondering. And so I commend you and your husband
for Karen for spending time in the car that most
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people could just be quiet or you know, be upset
about how long it's taking to drive wherever these types
of things, and then using it for something so productive
and wonderful.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I think that's I think that's pretty cool. Bob, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Hey, how are you?
Speaker 7 (19:23):
Thank you for taking.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I'm well, how can I help you?
Speaker 7 (19:27):
Well, I'm kind of in a dilemma. I'm a new
Bible reader, and you know, when you start, when you
talk about the Bible with people, everybody has an opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Of course, but.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
I'm sure not everybody is right because there's so many difference.
So my question is I started at Genesis, and my
dilemma is this. I read that Adam and Eve were
presented with an opportunity to make a decision, and they failed,
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but the result of their decision was told to them
in advanced that they would positively die. My question is
were they do they did they have the prospect of
going to heaven? Because if that was presented to them,
the pros you know that they would positively die. Is
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that prospect to all men that if you sin, you die? Now,
obviously we're sinners, so I guess we all die. I
guess just I want to know what their disposition is.
Do they have the opportunity to go to heaven?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I love that you are thinking this way. You've you've
pointed out some really wonderful things to be thinking about
from going through Genesis. So I want to commend you
on that you're going down the right, the right path
of how people should approach scripture. Scripture says in the
Selonians to test all things and hold fast to that
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which is true. And I love that you're doing that.
But let's look at a couple things. What is it
you have to look at what the words mean? What
does it mean to surely die? Well, it's not talking
about a physical death. It was talking about a spiritual death.
So you're rightly curious to say, well, does that mean
that they're for sure going to go to Hell? Which
is the spiritual death or what part does it play.
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There's nothing in scripture that points to Adam and Eve
specifically that says Adam and Eve went to heaven or
paradise in their case.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Nothing.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
But you have to look at it in context and
look at it this way. Everyone that sins is going
down the path of surely dying.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
So imagine.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
And you tie that with later in scripture, the wages
of sin are what yes, okay, so you know that
the wages of sin is death. God's saying here that
Adam and Eve, if they if they eat of this fruit,
will surely die. To the same statement, those that sin
will die spiritually. The only thing is so imagine it
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more like a payment. Those that do this, in this case,
sin will have to pay a million dollars. Let's make
it simple. We'll have to pay it a million dollars.
Will owe a million dollars. So that payment will have
to be made, is what it's implying throughout the entirety
of scripture that payment is going to have to be
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made by someone. Now, a million dollars can be paid
by someone, but you have to think of it in
a way that it couldn't be paid by any individual.
So all that says will surely die is pointing to
the fact that it is the consequences or the judgment
is death. So our Jewish brothers and sisters look towards.
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We're looking forward to the Messiah. So imagine this way
that really the things that they did were more like
writing a check on a bank account that will be
filled one day, whereas modern day Christians are looking backwards
at an already filled bank account that they're tapping into
by receiving Christ or not receiving Christ. Either they accept
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or reject me. So if you look at it, all
those pieces play a part. What our Jewish brothers and
sisters did to write that check was to do sacrifices,
animal sacrifices, and those burnt offerings in the like were
pointing towards the ultimate sacrifice which would pay for it,
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which was my death on the cross. You're taking all
of these things into account, and you read Genesis three
twenty one, and Genesis three twenty one says, and the
Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments
of skin and clothe them. Many theologians believe that this
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was actually the first sacrifice, and that this sacrifice that
is taking place there to make the garments and to
clothe them, points to the fact that they, Adam and Eve,
indeed were saved. And I say that in air quotes
to understand the difference between somebody looking forward and writing
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that check by way of animal sacrifice versus a Christian
that is looking backwards towards the filled account that it
was paid for on the cross. So it's not the
it is the full justice, which is the full justice.
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The wages of sin are death, period. However, that's for
everyone across the board. Yes, even Adam and Eve. They
will surely know death. What that is to say is
they will understand they will have a debt that is
death that can only be paid for by death.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
But in this case the sinless lamb. So it's all
everyone that has ever sinned, oh man, all of sin
and fallen short of the glory of God.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
The consequence of that is spiritual death. However, by receiving
the gift of grace, the blood on the cross, that
debt can be paid for. But that's after the crucifixion
and the resurrection. So prior to that, all the Jewish believers,
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all of those that were people of faith were looking
forward towards the Messiah, Messiah, the Machikh, and therefore they
were writing the checks on that account, which is the sacrifice.
Genesis three twenty one lies the sacrifice by the garments
of skin. So that would imply to many theologians that
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in fact Adam and Eve were saved by the grace
of God via the sacrifice. Also the relationship that God
has with them afterwards, although changes does not go away,
does not become obsolete, and so that points to that
as well. So really the scripture is best when you're
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reading it, and I love the way you're parsing it
and hearing those things, and they stood out to you
they should. But really, in the fullness of scripture, they
call it the hermeneutics. Reading through and seeing the harmony
of scripture throughout the entirety of scripture, not just one
book or one verse or something like that, you'll see
that that that overall theme is throughout the entirety of scripture,
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that the debt is death, and the payment is my life,
my resurrected life, and that blood on the cross, and
that death that took place the perfect and sinless and
spotless lamb and the combination of those things, although look
a little different depending on what side of the cross
you're standing, if you're looking towards it not happening yet,
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or looking back at it it's already happened. The actions
are different, but they have the same meaning. So that's
where Adam and Eve fall in that story.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It wasn't that God.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
The Father was saying, you're you're gonna surely die and
there's no way out of it. It's saying that, yes,
the wages of sin are death. That payment will have
to be made, and at this point, because the cross
had not occurred, the payment will be made by way
of a burnt offering, an animal sacrifice, and that's talked
about in Genesis three twenty
Speaker 4 (27:51):
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You're listening to KFI on demand. Jim, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hi, how are you, Jesus?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm well, Jim. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm just having problems in my marriage. It's my second marriage,
and I'm not sure what to do.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I've been married now, in my second marriage for six years.
I was married fifteen years prior to that to another
woman who I am friends with. Now. Basically, you know,
the blended family thing is just not it's really not working.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So you there's kids, both from previous marriage.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
He has she has.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Two daughters, and I have one daughter. And they're all
teenagers and they're all girls. So I live in a
house basically with four with four you know, young women
and one adult woman. And you know, from a man's
point of view, at least from my point of view,
it's very difficult at times to deal with their mood swings,
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you know, from their hormonal or whatever standpoint. And I,
you know, prior to her meeting me, I used to
drink a lot. When I separated from my first wife,
I suffered depression and I drank a lot. And I
had a lot of women in my life, Okay, to escape.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And what were you escaping from?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Changed all that?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So what were you escaping from.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
The pain of.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Not being with my daughter?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, and.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You know I've changed all that, but you know, she
just still doesn't trust me. I'm always getting accused if
I'm a salesman, if I get if I get home late,
if I leave early, you know, if she reads my
text messages, which I don't have a problem with, but
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you know, ask me in a way that you know
is respectful, don't accuse me of stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Well, well, let's kind of look at this through a
couple of different perspectives. First of all, you mentioned the
being with a bunch of women and their home hormones
or whatever. I don't know that that's particularly the case.
There's many things that can cause issues when you blend
(02:32):
a family automatically, and it doesn't necessarily have anything to
do with hormones. So I don't know that that's always
the fair assessment. I know many guys tend to go
to that place, but there can be a lot of
things that you're bringing to the equation that can cause
people to be upset or what have you. You have
(02:52):
had a pattern. This doesn't come out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
You may know that it's unjustified now, but her, your
wife's emotions aren't completely unjustified. It you you've said yourself
that you used to drink and used to womanize exactly,
So these are all based on things you've done in
the past.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
How is how is the.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
So other than than your wife being curious as to
where you are and what you're doing. How is the
so called problems in the blended family.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Materializing?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I mean it was a struggle. It was a struggle
early on, a real struggle. And you know, especially with
one of her daughters, you know, who was really disrespectful
and and just you know the way she was raised.
She she, my my new wife, came from a really
(03:48):
bad marriage where there he was verbally and emotionally abusive
to them, and so she really had a negative attitude.
And you know, I had to have a I was gentle,
but yet at the same time, I had to have
a firm hand if I was going to make this
work with them. And I'm not allowed now to say anything.
(04:11):
My opinion is not respected or allowed. And if I
see something that I don't think is right, I state
my opinion. I do it respectfully, but I'm basically shot down.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
What would be something you see that you don't feel
is right?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Okay, well I think that Okay. The oldest daughter is
the one that I have the problems the most with,
and I love her dearly, but she is a procrastinator.
She's an underachiever. She's had several boyfriends after her mother
(04:53):
swear that she would not let her have boyfriends anymore.
And she spends a lot of time on the couch
watching television.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
How old is she?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
She's seventeen. She's going to be going to college this fall,
so is my daughter. But my daughter is a four
point two student, which you know, I'm not comparing the
grade point averages.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Here, Yeah you are. You just did actually literally you
just did well.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I guess I did. But I'm comparing the effort, is
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Is there do you find that there's a learning disability
of any kind with the eldest daughter or anything that
might cause that to manifest in a way that hurts?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Like her youngest daughter is fourteen, and she's very smart
and gets all a's in school too, And she says,
well that her older daughter just struggles. She's just not
as you know, smart, as the other ones. And I
don't I'm not willing to sell you sold on that.
(06:01):
I think she is that smart.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Okay, has he did the eldest daughter do better in
school at one time?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Or Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
When she was in middle school, in junior high school,
she did a lot better than she Then she got
into high school.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And what happened around high school.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Well, you know the first thing that happened is that
she I got a phone call because her mom was
out of town, and I got a phone call and
she was caught having intercourse with a boy at school.
And I mean I didn't say anything. I didn't yell
(06:43):
at her. I went and picked her up, and she
got suspended from school. And I talked to her and
I said, you know, people make mistakes, and you know,
did you use protection? And I asked the basic questions
and I let it go. At that point, I said,
you're going to have to deal with your mother at
this point, because I don't handle I'd never handled her
girls in that fashion. I've just stated my.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Case, okay, And what what kind of relationship does the
eldest daughter have with her birth father?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
She moved out she when she was fourteen, She left
him and came to the house because she wanted to
be with me rather than him.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And do you guys bicker?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Are we excuse me?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Do you bicker? Do you fight? Like not knockdown, drag out.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
We don't bicker. We don't bicker. There's times where she's
out of wine, where you know, she gets frustrated because
I tell her, you know what, you need to just
go to your room and be quiet, and she gets
a little bit upset about that.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
But we don't.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
We don't fight, We don't argue. I mean, and for
the most part, she respects me all the time. If
I ask her for her help, she helps. You know,
she's a good kid. But you know, there's things about
her that I wish to improve, and I'm not being
(08:15):
allowed to do it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Okay, but it's going to be hard to improve. You've
got a lot going on.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
First of all, she came into your life at you know,
eleven years old or so, and you're dealing with her
as she's going through an important time in her life,
and she's being pulled apart from a family that in
her head was always going to be together, regardless of
whatever problems they had in that household blended families can
(08:42):
be very difficult. The key always is going to be
between you and the mother, two parents loving each other
and being the example, setting the example. As far as discipline,
the discipline of those children is really going to be
based on your wife.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Their mother.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
She should set the tone for discipline for those girls
because they're her girls. And you can be a good
step dad, and you can be good counsel to your
wife and all of those things, but she has to
raise those children, and you've got one that's going to
go off to college.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You can't help.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
But wonder if there's a sexual intercourse going on at
such a young age that it might not have something
to do with her searching for that male attention and
those things that are being torn apart in her life.
It's not about being a stern hand. It's about being
a good voice and a good partner to your wife
(09:37):
in a way that the kids, all the kids yours
and hers, can see it and use it as an example.
That's the best you're going to be able to do
in a situation like this. Sean, Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Hi, all right, My question is why did Satan rebel
against God? If you ultimately knew God would destroying at
the end, and basically, you know what makes Stayton think
that he'll be able to result himself above the.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Throne of God.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
It's an interesting question because you think, Wow, you know
you're there in the presence of God already, You're a
special creation, a beautiful angel, powerful angel, and then all
of a sudden there's this rebellion. The belief in modern
Christian theology is very simple.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's pride.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Now, Angels have the same ability to rebel as humans do,
with some exceptions. They have the total sum knowledge they
will will ever have, so anything done will be permanent,
and the decision has been made, both good and bad
has been made. So the one third of Heaven that
(10:48):
went with him all locked, that's their decision. Those that
stayed all locked, that's their decision. It is also said
that it is believed that angel have intellect, will, and
emotion as well, the same as humans do. Again, the
difference being they have the total some knowledge they're going
to have. Whereas you are accumulating knowledge throughout your life,
(11:10):
and only at the point of death will you be
at that point that that same point that an angel
would be where you had the total knowledge of making
any decision that would be permanent. So now you take
all of those things, and you have this angel that
slowly starts becoming prideful, wanting to be God. Isaiah fourteen
twelve through fourteen. How you are fallen from heaven oday, star,
(11:36):
son of Dawn, How you are cut down to the ground.
You lay the nations low. You said in your heart,
I will ascend to heaven above the stars of God.
I will set my throne on high. I will sit
on the mount of Assembly. And it goes on and on, and.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Well, that's the version I'm kind of stuck at because
so if angels are supposedly, you know, a thousand times
smarter than us humans are, I mean, how does that
make any sense that he knows that he's signing his
own descentence? Or does she think that?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Isn't that interesting that your assumption is that sin is
based on ignorance not intelligence. That's not the case. It's
a matter of thinking you can get away with it,
building up pride. That's what we talked about earlier, getting
to a place where you know, many criminals are caught
(12:28):
people they understand the consequences, but you fool yourself into
believing and you think it's an intelligent thing, and it's
not not at all. Pride supersedes that. Pride becomes the
power that leads, not the mind or the intellect. So
you go straight to the smarts when it's not smarts
at all. It has nothing to do with that. It's
(12:48):
pride that builds up exactly every time think about the
things you do wrong in life. So Sean, when you
make mistakes or you sin, you know you're you're coming
for that sin. You know you're approaching it, and you're
justifying it in your head. Well, it's okay if I
speed because I need to get there and I'm a
little late, or I'm a good driver. These other people
(13:09):
are idiots, but I'm good and I'll take.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Care of this.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
You justify it, and that's all the enemy did. It's
not about intellect at all. There's very smart criminals out there.
All they do is they allow their emotions to supersede
their greed, to supersede their intellect, to transcend above that
and tell them, hey, you could be something even better
if you broke the rules. Karen, Welcome to the Jesus
(13:35):
christ Show.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Hi, good morning. I was wondering about pluralistic marriage where
a man could have more than one wife in the
Old Testament, and my husband and I are just driving
along and discussing this. So I was wondering if you
could give me some insight about when that became permissible
in the Old Testament and then when it stops being permissible.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Okay, it's not permissible, it's never permissible.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Good.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Why is your husband?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Is he trying to negotiate with you? Or this is
just theological.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
We're driving along and we've got the Bible. We just
we talk about things.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay, that's wonderful.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I was wondering, you know, somehow he was going, so, honey,
what would you think if we got a little, you know,
extra help around the house?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yeah, probably not not a good idea. But since you
both are just looking at it academically, understand this that
not everything in the the Bible is prescribing what you
what you should do. Sometimes it just talks about what's
being done, and that happens throughout the entirety of scripture. Now,
(14:46):
there's ways that you can you can conclude based on
what's being said in scripture. Uh, that polygamy is not
for the godly person. In the New Testament, for Timothy
three to two and twelve Titus one six, it talks
about the standard and qualifications for spiritual leadership, and that
(15:08):
person is to be a husband of one wife, it says, right.
And it also goes on to talk about different things
that dealing with leadership, dealing a beat, like being above reproach,
being temperate, self control, respectable, hospitable. So if these things
are for every believer, then there's no reason to believe
(15:31):
in not just for leadership, there's no reason to believe
that the other qualifications here in this case dealing with
the husband of one wife, that that is not forevery
Christian either. Plus, you can look back to Adam and
Eve and the creation, that God was looking to build
a couple that would work together and that could be partners.
(15:52):
And the word in scripture is help meet, and that
God wanted Adam to have a help meet or help meet,
and in this case it was woman, and it was
one woman. So when you combine all those things and
you look, you can even find in Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy seventeen
(16:14):
fourteen through twenty, if you read through that you'll see
that it's talking about having that it's not good to
have multiple wives and these types of things. So anything
that's prescriptive, that's prescribing what you should do or not
do in scripture.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
In scripture says no, not good.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
But the other stuff is just describing what's taking place,
that there are people that were doing that, but it
describes all kinds of sins in scripture, correct.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Correct, And was the action of taking more than one
wife influenced by the cultures around them?
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Many times that's why you're not seeing a direct consequence.
So you're not seeing a consequence necessarily to it. So
you think, well, gosh, you know, maybe God is okaying
it or giving any thumbs up. No, there's a different friends,
because God allows all kinds of things, and the Father
is very allowing because humans need to make their decisions.
(17:08):
So if God was constantly coming down and stopping you
from making a decision, then no one would have free will.
And that in the case of people in scripture that
you know, people will say, well, what about you know,
mighty kings, what about Solomon? What about these things? Well,
if God says they're great, then how come they're doing
(17:29):
things that aren't great. But that's the entirety of scripture.
Moses was a murderer, you remember, Moses murdered the Egyptian
and he looked left, he looked right, and forgot to
look up, you know. And so there's there's many times
where you will find people who miss the mark in
scripture that are still referred to as great men and women.
(17:50):
It's because they in overall, looking at them in comparison
to other humans and to the will and want of God,
that they're standing up to a certain standard. But they
all are sinners, and they all will make mistakes, and
some of them grievous mistakes. So there if you look
through scripture and the men of renown and those that
(18:13):
people often quote as being wonderful and great and everything,
they all have problems. And that goes for even great
kings with you know, the the heart and mind of God.
There are those that make many mistakes. But polygamy is
never in scripture condoned. It's allowed, just as any other
sin is allowed.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
But not condoned. Very good, So I hope that helps
your drive this morning.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
It does, it does, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
There is nothing more beautiful to me than when a
couple takes the time to spend and discuss these things.
I just I think it's fabulous. It builds a wonderful
relationship between two people to engage in ideas and thoughts
and wondering. And so I commend you and your husband
for Karen for spending time in the car that most
(19:04):
people could just be quiet or you know, be upset
about how long it's taking to drive wherever these types
of things, and then using it for something so productive
and wonderful.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I think that's I think that's pretty cool. Bob, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Hey, how are you?
Speaker 7 (19:23):
Thank you for taking.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I'm well, how can I help you?
Speaker 7 (19:27):
Well, I'm kind of in a dilemma. I'm a new
Bible reader, and you know, when you start, when you
talk about the Bible with people, everybody has an opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Of course, but.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
I'm sure not everybody is right because there's so many difference.
So my question is I started at Genesis, and my
dilemma is this. I read that Adam and Eve were
presented with an opportunity to make a decision, and they failed,
(20:04):
but the result of their decision was told to them
in advanced that they would positively die. My question is
were they do they did they have the prospect of
going to heaven? Because if that was presented to them,
the pros you know that they would positively die. Is
(20:26):
that prospect to all men that if you sin, you die? Now,
obviously we're sinners, so I guess we all die. I
guess just I want to know what their disposition is.
Do they have the opportunity to go to heaven?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I love that you are thinking this way. You've you've
pointed out some really wonderful things to be thinking about
from going through Genesis. So I want to commend you
on that you're going down the right, the right path
of how people should approach scripture. Scripture says in the
Selonians to test all things and hold fast to that
(21:02):
which is true. And I love that you're doing that.
But let's look at a couple things. What is it
you have to look at what the words mean? What
does it mean to surely die? Well, it's not talking
about a physical death. It was talking about a spiritual death.
So you're rightly curious to say, well, does that mean
that they're for sure going to go to Hell? Which
is the spiritual death or what part does it play.
(21:24):
There's nothing in scripture that points to Adam and Eve
specifically that says Adam and Eve went to heaven or
paradise in their case.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Nothing.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
But you have to look at it in context and
look at it this way. Everyone that sins is going
down the path of surely dying.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
So imagine.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
And you tie that with later in scripture, the wages
of sin are what yes, okay, so you know that
the wages of sin is death. God's saying here that
Adam and Eve, if they if they eat of this fruit,
will surely die. To the same statement, those that sin
will die spiritually. The only thing is so imagine it
(22:12):
more like a payment. Those that do this, in this case,
sin will have to pay a million dollars. Let's make
it simple. We'll have to pay it a million dollars.
Will owe a million dollars. So that payment will have
to be made, is what it's implying throughout the entirety
of scripture that payment is going to have to be
(22:33):
made by someone. Now, a million dollars can be paid
by someone, but you have to think of it in
a way that it couldn't be paid by any individual.
So all that says will surely die is pointing to
the fact that it is the consequences or the judgment
is death. So our Jewish brothers and sisters look towards.
(22:57):
We're looking forward to the Messiah. So imagine this way
that really the things that they did were more like
writing a check on a bank account that will be
filled one day, whereas modern day Christians are looking backwards
at an already filled bank account that they're tapping into
by receiving Christ or not receiving Christ. Either they accept
(23:19):
or reject me. So if you look at it, all
those pieces play a part. What our Jewish brothers and
sisters did to write that check was to do sacrifices,
animal sacrifices, and those burnt offerings in the like were
pointing towards the ultimate sacrifice which would pay for it,
(23:40):
which was my death on the cross. You're taking all
of these things into account, and you read Genesis three
twenty one, and Genesis three twenty one says, and the
Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments
of skin and clothe them. Many theologians believe that this
(24:03):
was actually the first sacrifice, and that this sacrifice that
is taking place there to make the garments and to
clothe them, points to the fact that they, Adam and Eve,
indeed were saved. And I say that in air quotes
to understand the difference between somebody looking forward and writing
(24:26):
that check by way of animal sacrifice versus a Christian
that is looking backwards towards the filled account that it
was paid for on the cross. So it's not the
it is the full justice, which is the full justice.
(24:48):
The wages of sin are death, period. However, that's for
everyone across the board. Yes, even Adam and Eve. They
will surely know death. What that is to say is
they will understand they will have a debt that is
death that can only be paid for by death.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
But in this case the sinless lamb. So it's all
everyone that has ever sinned, oh man, all of sin
and fallen short of the glory of God.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
The consequence of that is spiritual death. However, by receiving
the gift of grace, the blood on the cross, that
debt can be paid for. But that's after the crucifixion
and the resurrection. So prior to that, all the Jewish believers,
(25:42):
all of those that were people of faith were looking
forward towards the Messiah, Messiah, the Machikh, and therefore they
were writing the checks on that account, which is the sacrifice.
Genesis three twenty one lies the sacrifice by the garments
of skin. So that would imply to many theologians that
(26:06):
in fact Adam and Eve were saved by the grace
of God via the sacrifice. Also the relationship that God
has with them afterwards, although changes does not go away,
does not become obsolete, and so that points to that
as well. So really the scripture is best when you're
(26:29):
reading it, and I love the way you're parsing it
and hearing those things, and they stood out to you
they should. But really, in the fullness of scripture, they
call it the hermeneutics. Reading through and seeing the harmony
of scripture throughout the entirety of scripture, not just one
book or one verse or something like that, you'll see
that that that overall theme is throughout the entirety of scripture,
(26:53):
that the debt is death, and the payment is my life,
my resurrected life, and that blood on the cross, and
that death that took place the perfect and sinless and
spotless lamb and the combination of those things, although look
a little different depending on what side of the cross
you're standing, if you're looking towards it not happening yet,
(27:15):
or looking back at it it's already happened. The actions
are different, but they have the same meaning. So that's
where Adam and Eve fall in that story.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It wasn't that God.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
The Father was saying, you're you're gonna surely die and
there's no way out of it. It's saying that, yes,
the wages of sin are death. That payment will have
to be made, and at this point, because the cross
had not occurred, the payment will be made by way
of a burnt offering, an animal sacrifice, and that's talked
about in Genesis three twenty
Speaker 4 (27:51):
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