December 25, 2025 • 24 mins
In the final hour of the Jesus Christ Show, the first caller, Keith, asks about Mary's sinlessness, and Jesus explains the Catholic Church's doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, which is not supported by scripture. He also discusses the concept of unforgivable sins, citing the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and how it's a final decision that can't be undone. Other callers ask about the Trinity, the physical conception of Jesus, and the history of Christmas.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
The Jesus Christ Show. I am your holy host. Merry
Christmas to you and your family. I hope you're gathering
around staying warm as the storm continues through southern California
through today and tomorrow and beyond. Just keep it right
here and you'll get everything you need to know if
(00:31):
you have a theology question or a life situation question.
We call them life situations because they can change anywhere
that you hear my voice. Eight hundred five to zero
one five three four. That's eight hundred five to zero
one five three four, Keith. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Hi, Jesus, Hi Keith.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
How can I help you?
Speaker 5 (00:59):
I have for you?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Was Mary born without original sin? And or did it
happen after conception?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
What you mean sin? What happened after conception hers? Or mine?
Speaker 6 (01:33):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
After her conception? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
So the Immaculate Conception is basically is dogma to the
Catholic Church as of about eighteen fifty four.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And that is.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
The belief that Mary was born without sin from the
womb she was detected, and that my mother was without sin.
Protestants do not believe this. This is one of the
tenants in the separations of the Church. Of course, Protestants
slowed down. The word is Protestant. They were protesting the
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church at the time. So the church is split and divided,
and then you had Catholics, the universal Church separate into Protestants,
and so the Protestants, the Protestants do not believe in
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the virgin birth. And there's a couple of reasons why.
So we'll go from scripture, not from dogma. With respect
to our Catholic brothers and sisters, there is no place
in scripture that says Mary is without sin as a
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matter of as a matter of fact, there is scripture
after scripture after scripture that says there is no one
except Christ who is sinless. So that's a really, you know,
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a problematic when you read Romans three twenty three saying
for all all have sinned and fallen short of the
glory of God. The only one that's ever talked about
being outside of that says in John one, John one
eight through ten. If we say we have no sin,
we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just
to forgive us, and so on and so forth. There
are throughout Scripture many cases where it talks about that
everybody other than Christ.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Is with sin.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Also, Mary, my mother refers to me in scripture as savior,
savior of what being the savior is to refer to salvation,
and salvation is there in regards to sin and the
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sin nature that comes through the bloodline after the fall
in the garden. So ultimately it's a tough cell through scripture.
But in deference to our Catholic brothers and sisters listening,
they have beliefs that are in addition to Scripture, which
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is dogma and their understanding therein so that ties in
to their belief system, and so that adds another insight
as to why they believe what they believe and where
it falls in their belief system. That is outside of scripture.
There's nothing in scripture that talks about that or being.
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Those are things that grew later. There are some historians
and theologians that believe, and keep in mind there's a
bias in all those that if they're Protestants, they're going
to look at it from a Protestant point of view,
but believe that it was to enhance the prominence of
Mary in hopes of getting women more interested in the
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church at the time. So it depends where you land
on those things. But scripturally, which is where this show
focuses on, even though we do look at history and
those things as well, but try to remove it from
the seeding of one particular church and focus on the
scripture that defines and appointed all things and continues to
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be a direction for all that is known has been
known from the words of God.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
You're listening to KFI A M six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Lauria, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Dear Jesus, thank you.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
I'm grateful for taking my call. I've tried for a
long time quickly and I hope to be articulate. I'm
nervous that I am even talking to you.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Oh, no, saying what I want to say.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
I've for the last couple of years now, I've been
doing research on the Holy Spirit. It was just something
that came to me and I got into. I think
it'snumalogy if I pronounce that correctly. There's things that I
agree with, things that I don't agree with, But I
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am totally one hundred percent into the Holy Spirit, And
somewhere somewhere in my research, I came across something that said,
there are sins that we commit that are unforgivable by
the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God.
And I've mentioned this to some of my friends that
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we discuss the Holy Spirit and other things, and they disagree.
They say that there is there is not a sin
that is unforgivable, that is forgivable, not articulating that, correct,
I read that we can commit sins that are unforgivable
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by the Holy Spirit. Am I correct?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
There is one?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
So first of all, numatology numology or when you're studying
that's like lungs or things like that, or there are
certain things.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
They come from the same word.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Actually it means breath or it means like the breath
of life, so they come from similar places. But one
is the study of the theological concept of the spirit.
So there is something in scripture that is called the
blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and it can be very
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confusing to some. So I'm going to even know even
though that every analogy breaks down at some point, they're
used as an illustration to help understand bigger concepts. So
let's look at this for a second. If you're driving,
heaven forbid down a road towards a cliff that if
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you go off the cliff you most certainly will pass,
and it is lined with loved ones, and they are
calling out to you as you drive, and they say, Gloria,
stop the car. You're going to go over a cliff,
and you ignore them and you continue to drive. And
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then people say, stop, Gloria, there's a cliff at the end.
You will go over it and you will surely die,
and you continue to go forward, with all the people
and the loved ones in your life saying don't do it, Gloria.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
You still go.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You pierce that break between the ground and now the sky,
and your vehicle goes over.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
The cliff.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Your realization now is confirmed. Oh my gosh, they were right.
There is no going back after that. You've ignored everything
and you can't say, oh, I want to do over.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's done.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
That is the conviction of your belief. That is the
finalization the consequences of your decision, your choice of free will. Now,
using that, let's go back and talk about the Trinity,
the Father of the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It
is simple to say, the Holy Spirit woos you and
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taps on your heart and brings you to Christ. The
belief and conviction of the death and the cross of
perfection in the sinless one brings you to the Father
because that bridge was broken. So you need that process
of the Spirit bringing you to Christ, bringing you to
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the Father in the harmony of the Trinity. If you
ignore the Spirit. Now they refer to this as giving.
It talks about the blaspheming the Holy Spirit being crediting
things in properly, not crediting the Spirit properly or crediting
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it improperly. Imagine this. The Spirit is those people, your
friends and family standing on the side of the road
wooing you to no Christ. If you reject that, if
you blaspheme, if you reject the wooing of the Holy Spirit,
(11:27):
which Christ himself left for people for humans to be
the mighty comforter and to bring them through the salvation
into the hands in the arms of the Father. If
you ignore that unto death, it's as final as being
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off the other side of the cliff.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You can't come back from that.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Because if you reject God unto death, that's your last
decision and that is respected by God.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Wow, is there any scriptures that I can hold on to?
When I mentioned this to my friends, it's not.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
About a literal scripture where you read this one thing.
It's about the hermonoutics. The balance of scripture, the harmony
of scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is left for humans.
We know that the Holy Spirit brings people to me,
That brings people to the Father. When you put these
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things together, that is the only finality that you can
do to God is with free will, reject God. God
will not force himself. Hell is not designed for people.
Hell's is designed for fallen angels. Humans are the only
ones that make a decision to go there or not.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
If you.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Don't love God and serve God for ninety one hundred
years on this planet, why would you want to be
forced to for eternity. God gives people with free will
the ability to not do that. But once you make
that decision, God says, either my will be done or
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thy will be done. And in the case of thy
will be done, that means you have made yourself God
and you will have the consequences Therein.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
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Let's talk to Christopher, who's been incredibly patient. Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Thank Jesus, the Happy Birthday.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
I have a couple of questions for you. Okay, I
was wondering how come you were uh nailed?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I guess I.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Wouldn't saying I don't know if nailed is the correct word,
but how come you were like nailed to the cross?
Speaker 8 (14:22):
Because I saw pictures of you, and I.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Saw blood coming out of your hands and your feet,
And my second question is how how did you those
rise rise up on your birthday?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Well, actually there's a there's a lot to unravel there, uh,
Christopher fort a couple of things. One, yes, nailed pierced,
uh nailed to the cross. That was I wasn't the
only one that was ever nailed to a tree across
a post. That was crucifixion was something that predates my crucifixion.
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But if you look at the timeline, you're talking about
getting confused with Christmas and Easter and the birth and
the resurrection and all of those things. So it's kind
of hard to that's the way to say it, unravel
that particular particular.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Ball of yarn.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
So see the piercing. Yes, Piercing didn't rise from the
dead on Christmas. Christmas, the celebration of Christmas is actually
my birth. I hope that helps help Mark. Welcome to
the Jesus christ Shaw.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I asked that a question I believe in scripture refers
to you as the only begotten Son of God, and
I was wondering if that.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Was an inference to the physical conception with Mary and
God the.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Okay, so this causes people confusion because of translations. If
you go back whenever there's some sort of confusion or
you're not sure as to what the meaning might be.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
There's a couple of things that are important.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Context is important, making sure that it's seated in the
context of what's being said.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Also, how is that same word used?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Ancient languages often use things like context, same as you
do today, but they had less words than the vocabulary
of let's say English today or modern English. So if
you start to break that down and you see it
in its context, it's like Mark, if I said I
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was working on a table, Well, if I'm a mathematician,
it might be a mathematical table. If I'm a carpenter,
I might be making a table. If I'm working on
some art, I might be actually working on the table, drawing, painting,
doing whatever on the table. So context is important. Secondly
is to not take the translation per se, but to
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go back and look at the actual words. So in
this case, when you go back and you look at
the actual word that's being used there in the Greek,
it's monogenous and has two primary definitions. So the first
one to be pertaining to being the only one of
its kind within a specific relationship. Okay, So Hebrews eleven seventeen,
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for his instance, it says by faith Abraham, when he
was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received
the promises, was in the act of ordering up his
only son, used the same word. But Abraham had more
than one son, so it was talking about the relationship
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was specific, not talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Only being begotten.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
See you go through Leviticus, and you see so and so,
we got so and so and all of these things.
You start thinking, well, then that means they gave birth
to But that's not the truth. The other usage of
the word monogenus that is translated in the King James,
which is the one that causes the most confusion. It
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refers to a specific uniqueness, a uniqueness that is one
of a kind, a unique in its kind, unique in.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Its definition, and that's what is used there.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's not talking about being born or being a God's
son in the sense that I'm not God, because it
says it says differently in First John, in the beginning
was the word. The word was with God, the word
was God. And that's very specific as to who I
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was in the context of scripture. So here monoch genus,
the Greek word is used to say one of a kind,
not begotten in the sense that there was a physical
birth or any of those things.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Because I predate my birth.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
There are times they're called Christophanes in scripture where you
can find that I pre exist the physical self that
comes later in scripture.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
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We have just one more segment here, so let's get
to it and talk with Stephen. Stephen, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Hello, Unhappy anniversary of birth, my Holy host.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Thank you. How can I help you today? Stephen?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Well, question regarding I guess the church history more or less.
At one point in the early history of the church
after your death, did the church determine this period to
be a holy day or a recognized day annually to
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what we know today.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It's interesting that you asked that, because if you go
back and you really trace.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It, it wasn't. Really.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
There are some that celebrate, just like there is anything,
but there was not as much interest early on as
one might think. Wasn't until the fourth century that the
church kind of formalized it. But basically, the December twenty
fifth stuff was kind of trying to push out the
robin pagan winter Solstice stuff, so like festivals like Saturnalia
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and things like that, the worst being of the sun
and they would try and kind of put that. So
the feast of the Nativity and these types of things
push that out. Christmas comes from Christ's Mass.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's an old name.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
For church service, for the church service, and then you
have Saint Nicholas and these things and decorations and Kierlyn
came later. But if you look at early history, you'll
find that a lot of it was filled with debauchery.
I mean, there were a lot of people that celebrated,
but you know, a bit differently. There was a lot
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of drinking and things like that out in the streets
and the like. Well, let's see if we squeeze one more. Kathy,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
Oh, yes, hello, good afternoon.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Hi.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
I was wondering if it's bad to watch Fatal Traction
on Christmas Eve because for the only reason that it
occurred at this time many years ago, and for some reason,
it gives me solace.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
It's kind of soothing you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Thank God you're not in that relationship. What's the solace?
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Well, because she gets revenge.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Oh well, I'm not sure if revenge is healthy, but
I guess if I had to choose before you between
you watching it on Christmas Eve versus Easter. If you've
seen it before, you know what I'm saying with the rabbit,
that's probably better. But I'm not crazy about the revenge
part Kathy. But no, there's nothing wrong with watching it.
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Let's see if we can squeeze one more in. Joe,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. You're the big finale.
How can I help you?
Speaker 9 (22:35):
Yeah, I was just wondering, like, don't you do you
feel like it's blasphemy even maybe for you to be
speaking in you know, like if and you know you're
our Lord and savior for the first show, you know,
even though you're answering questions, but just to be speaking
in the first person as if you were in.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
That's an excellent question and a great one to end on. No,
the concept of the program, if you listen.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
To it, is.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
A way of teaching uniquely people about things that are
hard to talk about otherwise. And no one should ever
take credit for the words of God than God himself.
So on this program, if you listen carefully, all glory
goes to God. All words are from God, and no
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one should have their name on this show other than
Christ himself. And if you understand the interaction of let's
call it radio theater, it's a powerful tool. And may
all the words go out in His name and no
one else's. Have a merry Christmas, be kind to each other,
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have empathy, and remember the true reason of the season.
Merry Christmas, everybody on Demand
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
The Jesus Christ Show. I am your holy host. Merry
Christmas to you and your family. I hope you're gathering
around staying warm as the storm continues through southern California
through today and tomorrow and beyond. Just keep it right
here and you'll get everything you need to know if
(00:31):
you have a theology question or a life situation question.
We call them life situations because they can change anywhere
that you hear my voice. Eight hundred five to zero
one five three four. That's eight hundred five to zero
one five three four, Keith. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Hi, Jesus, Hi Keith.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
How can I help you?
Speaker 5 (00:59):
I have for you?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Was Mary born without original sin? And or did it
happen after conception?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
What you mean sin? What happened after conception hers? Or mine?
Speaker 6 (01:33):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
After her conception? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
So the Immaculate Conception is basically is dogma to the
Catholic Church as of about eighteen fifty four.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And that is.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
The belief that Mary was born without sin from the
womb she was detected, and that my mother was without sin.
Protestants do not believe this. This is one of the
tenants in the separations of the Church. Of course, Protestants
slowed down. The word is Protestant. They were protesting the
(02:19):
church at the time. So the church is split and divided,
and then you had Catholics, the universal Church separate into Protestants,
and so the Protestants, the Protestants do not believe in
(02:40):
the virgin birth. And there's a couple of reasons why.
So we'll go from scripture, not from dogma. With respect
to our Catholic brothers and sisters, there is no place
in scripture that says Mary is without sin as a
(03:00):
matter of as a matter of fact, there is scripture
after scripture after scripture that says there is no one
except Christ who is sinless. So that's a really, you know,
(03:20):
a problematic when you read Romans three twenty three saying
for all all have sinned and fallen short of the
glory of God. The only one that's ever talked about
being outside of that says in John one, John one
eight through ten. If we say we have no sin,
we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(03:43):
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just
to forgive us, and so on and so forth. There
are throughout Scripture many cases where it talks about that
everybody other than Christ.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Is with sin.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Also, Mary, my mother refers to me in scripture as savior,
savior of what being the savior is to refer to salvation,
and salvation is there in regards to sin and the
(04:30):
sin nature that comes through the bloodline after the fall
in the garden. So ultimately it's a tough cell through scripture.
But in deference to our Catholic brothers and sisters listening,
they have beliefs that are in addition to Scripture, which
(04:55):
is dogma and their understanding therein so that ties in
to their belief system, and so that adds another insight
as to why they believe what they believe and where
it falls in their belief system. That is outside of scripture.
There's nothing in scripture that talks about that or being.
(05:20):
Those are things that grew later. There are some historians
and theologians that believe, and keep in mind there's a
bias in all those that if they're Protestants, they're going
to look at it from a Protestant point of view,
but believe that it was to enhance the prominence of
Mary in hopes of getting women more interested in the
(05:42):
church at the time. So it depends where you land
on those things. But scripturally, which is where this show
focuses on, even though we do look at history and
those things as well, but try to remove it from
the seeding of one particular church and focus on the
scripture that defines and appointed all things and continues to
(06:03):
be a direction for all that is known has been
known from the words of God.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
You're listening to KFI A M six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Lauria, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Dear Jesus, thank you.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
I'm grateful for taking my call. I've tried for a
long time quickly and I hope to be articulate. I'm
nervous that I am even talking to you.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Oh, no, saying what I want to say.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
I've for the last couple of years now, I've been
doing research on the Holy Spirit. It was just something
that came to me and I got into. I think
it'snumalogy if I pronounce that correctly. There's things that I
agree with, things that I don't agree with, But I
(06:56):
am totally one hundred percent into the Holy Spirit, And
somewhere somewhere in my research, I came across something that said,
there are sins that we commit that are unforgivable by
the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God.
And I've mentioned this to some of my friends that
(07:18):
we discuss the Holy Spirit and other things, and they disagree.
They say that there is there is not a sin
that is unforgivable, that is forgivable, not articulating that, correct,
I read that we can commit sins that are unforgivable
(07:42):
by the Holy Spirit. Am I correct?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
There is one?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
So first of all, numatology numology or when you're studying
that's like lungs or things like that, or there are
certain things.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
They come from the same word.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Actually it means breath or it means like the breath
of life, so they come from similar places. But one
is the study of the theological concept of the spirit.
So there is something in scripture that is called the
blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and it can be very
(08:18):
confusing to some. So I'm going to even know even
though that every analogy breaks down at some point, they're
used as an illustration to help understand bigger concepts. So
let's look at this for a second. If you're driving,
heaven forbid down a road towards a cliff that if
(08:43):
you go off the cliff you most certainly will pass,
and it is lined with loved ones, and they are
calling out to you as you drive, and they say, Gloria,
stop the car. You're going to go over a cliff,
and you ignore them and you continue to drive. And
(09:04):
then people say, stop, Gloria, there's a cliff at the end.
You will go over it and you will surely die,
and you continue to go forward, with all the people
and the loved ones in your life saying don't do it, Gloria.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
You still go.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You pierce that break between the ground and now the sky,
and your vehicle goes over.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
The cliff.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Your realization now is confirmed. Oh my gosh, they were right.
There is no going back after that. You've ignored everything
and you can't say, oh, I want to do over.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's done.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
That is the conviction of your belief. That is the
finalization the consequences of your decision, your choice of free will. Now,
using that, let's go back and talk about the Trinity,
the Father of the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It
is simple to say, the Holy Spirit woos you and
(10:16):
taps on your heart and brings you to Christ. The
belief and conviction of the death and the cross of
perfection in the sinless one brings you to the Father
because that bridge was broken. So you need that process
of the Spirit bringing you to Christ, bringing you to
(10:39):
the Father in the harmony of the Trinity. If you
ignore the Spirit. Now they refer to this as giving.
It talks about the blaspheming the Holy Spirit being crediting
things in properly, not crediting the Spirit properly or crediting
(11:05):
it improperly. Imagine this. The Spirit is those people, your
friends and family standing on the side of the road
wooing you to no Christ. If you reject that, if
you blaspheme, if you reject the wooing of the Holy Spirit,
(11:27):
which Christ himself left for people for humans to be
the mighty comforter and to bring them through the salvation
into the hands in the arms of the Father. If
you ignore that unto death, it's as final as being
(11:52):
off the other side of the cliff.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You can't come back from that.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Because if you reject God unto death, that's your last
decision and that is respected by God.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Wow, is there any scriptures that I can hold on to?
When I mentioned this to my friends, it's not.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
About a literal scripture where you read this one thing.
It's about the hermonoutics. The balance of scripture, the harmony
of scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is left for humans.
We know that the Holy Spirit brings people to me,
That brings people to the Father. When you put these
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things together, that is the only finality that you can
do to God is with free will, reject God. God
will not force himself. Hell is not designed for people.
Hell's is designed for fallen angels. Humans are the only
ones that make a decision to go there or not.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
If you.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Don't love God and serve God for ninety one hundred
years on this planet, why would you want to be
forced to for eternity. God gives people with free will
the ability to not do that. But once you make
that decision, God says, either my will be done or
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thy will be done. And in the case of thy
will be done, that means you have made yourself God
and you will have the consequences Therein.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Let's talk to Christopher, who's been incredibly patient. Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Thank Jesus, the Happy Birthday.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
I have a couple of questions for you. Okay, I
was wondering how come you were uh nailed?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I guess I.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Wouldn't saying I don't know if nailed is the correct word,
but how come you were like nailed to the cross?
Speaker 8 (14:22):
Because I saw pictures of you, and I.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Saw blood coming out of your hands and your feet,
And my second question is how how did you those
rise rise up on your birthday?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Well, actually there's a there's a lot to unravel there, uh,
Christopher fort a couple of things. One, yes, nailed pierced,
uh nailed to the cross. That was I wasn't the
only one that was ever nailed to a tree across
a post. That was crucifixion was something that predates my crucifixion.
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But if you look at the timeline, you're talking about
getting confused with Christmas and Easter and the birth and
the resurrection and all of those things. So it's kind
of hard to that's the way to say it, unravel
that particular particular.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Ball of yarn.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
So see the piercing. Yes, Piercing didn't rise from the
dead on Christmas. Christmas, the celebration of Christmas is actually
my birth. I hope that helps help Mark. Welcome to
the Jesus christ Shaw.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I asked that a question I believe in scripture refers
to you as the only begotten Son of God, and
I was wondering if that.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Was an inference to the physical conception with Mary and
God the.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Okay, so this causes people confusion because of translations. If
you go back whenever there's some sort of confusion or
you're not sure as to what the meaning might be.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
There's a couple of things that are important.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Context is important, making sure that it's seated in the
context of what's being said.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Also, how is that same word used?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Ancient languages often use things like context, same as you
do today, but they had less words than the vocabulary
of let's say English today or modern English. So if
you start to break that down and you see it
in its context, it's like Mark, if I said I
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was working on a table, Well, if I'm a mathematician,
it might be a mathematical table. If I'm a carpenter,
I might be making a table. If I'm working on
some art, I might be actually working on the table, drawing, painting,
doing whatever on the table. So context is important. Secondly
is to not take the translation per se, but to
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go back and look at the actual words. So in
this case, when you go back and you look at
the actual word that's being used there in the Greek,
it's monogenous and has two primary definitions. So the first
one to be pertaining to being the only one of
its kind within a specific relationship. Okay, So Hebrews eleven seventeen,
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for his instance, it says by faith Abraham, when he
was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received
the promises, was in the act of ordering up his
only son, used the same word. But Abraham had more
than one son, so it was talking about the relationship
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was specific, not talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Only being begotten.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
See you go through Leviticus, and you see so and so,
we got so and so and all of these things.
You start thinking, well, then that means they gave birth
to But that's not the truth. The other usage of
the word monogenus that is translated in the King James,
which is the one that causes the most confusion. It
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refers to a specific uniqueness, a uniqueness that is one
of a kind, a unique in its kind, unique in.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Its definition, and that's what is used there.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's not talking about being born or being a God's
son in the sense that I'm not God, because it
says it says differently in First John, in the beginning
was the word. The word was with God, the word
was God. And that's very specific as to who I
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was in the context of scripture. So here monoch genus,
the Greek word is used to say one of a kind,
not begotten in the sense that there was a physical
birth or any of those things.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Because I predate my birth.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
There are times they're called Christophanes in scripture where you
can find that I pre exist the physical self that
comes later in scripture.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
We have just one more segment here, so let's get
to it and talk with Stephen. Stephen, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Hello, Unhappy anniversary of birth, my Holy host.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Thank you. How can I help you today? Stephen?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Well, question regarding I guess the church history more or less.
At one point in the early history of the church
after your death, did the church determine this period to
be a holy day or a recognized day annually to
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what we know today.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It's interesting that you asked that, because if you go
back and you really trace.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It, it wasn't. Really.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
There are some that celebrate, just like there is anything,
but there was not as much interest early on as
one might think. Wasn't until the fourth century that the
church kind of formalized it. But basically, the December twenty
fifth stuff was kind of trying to push out the
robin pagan winter Solstice stuff, so like festivals like Saturnalia
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and things like that, the worst being of the sun
and they would try and kind of put that. So
the feast of the Nativity and these types of things
push that out. Christmas comes from Christ's Mass.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's an old name.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
For church service, for the church service, and then you
have Saint Nicholas and these things and decorations and Kierlyn
came later. But if you look at early history, you'll
find that a lot of it was filled with debauchery.
I mean, there were a lot of people that celebrated,
but you know, a bit differently. There was a lot
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of drinking and things like that out in the streets
and the like. Well, let's see if we squeeze one more. Kathy,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
Oh, yes, hello, good afternoon.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Hi.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
I was wondering if it's bad to watch Fatal Traction
on Christmas Eve because for the only reason that it
occurred at this time many years ago, and for some reason,
it gives me solace.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
It's kind of soothing you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Thank God you're not in that relationship. What's the solace?
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Well, because she gets revenge.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Oh well, I'm not sure if revenge is healthy, but
I guess if I had to choose before you between
you watching it on Christmas Eve versus Easter. If you've
seen it before, you know what I'm saying with the rabbit,
that's probably better. But I'm not crazy about the revenge
part Kathy. But no, there's nothing wrong with watching it.
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Let's see if we can squeeze one more in. Joe,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. You're the big finale.
How can I help you?
Speaker 9 (22:35):
Yeah, I was just wondering, like, don't you do you
feel like it's blasphemy even maybe for you to be
speaking in you know, like if and you know you're
our Lord and savior for the first show, you know,
even though you're answering questions, but just to be speaking
in the first person as if you were in.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
That's an excellent question and a great one to end on. No,
the concept of the program, if you listen.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
To it, is.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
A way of teaching uniquely people about things that are
hard to talk about otherwise. And no one should ever
take credit for the words of God than God himself.
So on this program, if you listen carefully, all glory
goes to God. All words are from God, and no
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one should have their name on this show other than
Christ himself. And if you understand the interaction of let's
call it radio theater, it's a powerful tool. And may
all the words go out in His name and no
one else's. Have a merry Christmas, be kind to each other,
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have empathy, and remember the true reason of the season.
Merry Christmas, everybody on Demand
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