October 12, 2025 • 30 mins
Is Heaven Getting Crowded?
Is there a place for reincarnation
Expectations Overshadow
Age of Accountability
Baptism at place of childhood tragedy
Getting Divorced
Is there a place for reincarnation
Expectations Overshadow
Age of Accountability
Baptism at place of childhood tragedy
Getting Divorced
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Mike, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Hello, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm well, Mike. How can I help you?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
There's two questions. I know Biblically, to be absent from.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
The body is to be in the presence of the Lord.
Once we passed away Christians and believers, he accepts us
if anything, through grace, that we accepting to heaven. Two
questions going back from day one on New Year calendars,
going back to follow thirteen, fourteen hundred and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Millions and billions and billions of people.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Have passed away and died.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And number one isn't heaven getting elett bit crowded up
there like a four or.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Five on a Friday night.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And then number two.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Reading a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Maybe hearsay. I don't know, George Nori, he has special
people talking. But I've heard a lot that once you
pass away, we go into a spiritual worm where we
go through a learning process or a period of time.
I heard some say that it's up to the soul
of spirit if we want to come back into different
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body and go through this whole thing again, or we
can just stay up in heaven.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
It says that most.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
People prefer to come back, and then they said, you
do come back, you don't remember what you did before.
You know, once around, there's enough this life right now,
I'm ready and I'm done. I don't want to go
through the s getting food.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Will remember.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Your view on both of those places.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Okay, First of all, there's room for ten more people
in heaven. I'm just kidding. That would be horrible. No,
there's plenty of room. Heaven does not have the walls
and the restraints of time and space the way you
think of them. Here there is no limitation. God didn't
make it, and in say, oh my gosh, I invited
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all these people. I didn't think they were all going
to make it. It's not a situation like that. So
no worries there. There is there is no limit to
where somebody will be left out that believes.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But isn't it I mean, but if there are all
these people and not people, I say, but souls and
spirits going around? And haven't I know the soul in
spirits like many skill as far as a waiting of
course or whatever.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
But still isn't it does not It does not take
up space you're applying human restrictions and attributes of this
world to the next, and there is none at a time.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
There's no time continuum, there's no spatial concerns. It is
not the same way in the same sense at all,
in any shape for it.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So there could be six hundred billion people, it wouldn't
matter right now, and Christ than God would still be
in control.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Over all of that.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yep, wouldn't matter.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That's what was going on on earth.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't matter, doesn't There is no
limitations there now. As far as the second.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Question, and before your dress side person, I appreciate card
I do have a very brief, brief third question about
the healing practices of evangelists.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
It's very brief.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
If I may ask to have to answer this other.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Question, sure, sure, Okay, see.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
After being reborn, not being able to remember going through
a learning.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Podcast that's not Christianity that you you had quoted some
verses earlier in Corinthians and in Hebrews. You loosely paraphrase
them about uh in Corinthians about is to be absent
from the body is to be present with the Lord.
But it also says in Hebrews that you're it's appointed
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for men to die once and then the judgment. So
there is no there's no place for what is referred
to as the sumsorrow, that cycle of life. There is
no place for reincarnation. Reincarnation was never in scripture. Uh,
there's no place for it. It doesn't fit and uh
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and and so that doesn't make sense with Christianity.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Even though George no, I know, he's a little not
out there body, he does have people that he talks
on your net. So it's basically this is it. Once
we're done, that's it.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
George Nori is a lovely man, a very smart man,
and he does have very interesting guests on Coast to
Coast AM. But but his his job and his focus
is not the same as the focus of the show.
So so he's looking at things from a broader spectrum
than this. This program is we're very focused on the
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Christian Judeo Christian presupposition and the Christian theology and specifics,
so we obviously have a different point and when it
comes to that, So in this particular case, there is
nothing in scripture that allows for that reincarnation and there's
no need for it. Now there can be those that
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argue our Catholic brothers and sisters argue that there is
a purgatory, but there's different but there's different beliefs in
that that has changed throughout the years as well as
to what that means and what's taking place. But as
far as mainstream Christianity or Protestantism, they differ. So mainstream Christianity,
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do you put Catholicism and protestant in that same basket
they're going to They're going to differ. So keep that
in mind. There is differences very quickly so we can
make sure that we're fair to everyone else. You had
one more question you wanted to ask, Yes, just very
very quick.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Known evangelist Katherine Coleman probably most probably known other a
local evangelists with the healing powers. I went to a
Catholic church, growing up on stage for praying everything. I mean,
they didn't even touch me yet I felt at people,
my wife and other friends. They said he was pred
anyone near me and I just supposedly felt under the
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spirit other places where I went up, actually felt this
presence for you just I mean it's like just falling backwards.
How what is that manifest and are these really true?
Of I want to say, I don't want to say heals,
but the presence of falling under what they call falling
in the spirit. I don't get that. I mean, I
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get it, But how's that explained?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
That?
Speaker 6 (06:49):
It depends because and this is not specifically speaking about
anyone who refers to themselves as a faith healer.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
A lot of that is garbage.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
A lot of it ties into theatrics and whatnot and
psychology that takes place during a group experience like that.
That doesn't mean that it can't take place. Of course,
there are gifts of the spirit that do take place,
and there are healings that could take place to this day.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But that is God's will, not the will of an
individual or their ability. God will speak through somebody like
a prophet, and God will heal through somebody like a healer,
but it's not done in the theatrical way the way
it often is betrayed in Christianity. Across the board, there
are many of those that act as if they are
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faith healers, and really it's amount of theatrics and people
get caught up in something the same way you can
watch a movie that you know is absolutely fake that
it is actors that you've seen many times before. You
could start to cry or get angry or be thrilled
by the outcome, because emotionally, you're having experience with those
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other people in the theater while watching something. So you
have to be careful as to what your experience is.
Your experience should always be lining up with scripture and
the things of God, and it should never be to
the glory of an individual other than God. You shouldn't
have to pay for such a thing.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
These types of things should be thought of before you
go and experience on things, because they can be quite
emotional and you can catch you up in that kind
of overall attitude and excitement, and you can think that
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it's spiritual when it's just psychological. Something to think about, brother,
and not be lost in that. Trisha, Welcome to the
Jesus Christow.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
Hi, Jesus Hi.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
How can I help you?
Speaker 8 (08:55):
Well, my husband and I have been together for twenty
five years since we're a seen and we had ten
years ago we had creamy twins and they had a
lot of health problems, but you know, we worked through it.
And I'm a real nervous person and through this whole
thing with the twins. There was a lot of life
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and death issues as far as like open heart surgeries
and stuff like that, and things seemed like they were
getting bt or my kids were healthy and stuff. But
then my husband got diagnosed with cancer, and ever since then,
I have just.
Speaker 9 (09:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
I can't I can't come to terms with the fact
that I feel like everything that I had hoped for
and worked for.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
That it's just not ever going to be the same now,
and I'm always here. I see almost everything now like
I'm petrified even if my kids get a cold, that
they're going.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
To die, And like Tricia, that that's no way to
live your expectations. Expectations really can be the demon of
everything to It's good to have hopes, it's good to
have desires, but if you get to a place where
where those overshadow everything else, Tricia, and your life becomes
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this drawing or cartoon of what you expect, you will
never appreciate and see what you have in front of you.
And that's a huge concern of mine. Don't get lost
in that, Tricia. I know that you're going through pain.
I know that you have problems, and there are things
that you can tackle, but if you start to try
and nerf the world and make everything so it has
no sharp edges, or that there's not ever going to
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be a problem that you will lose sight of the
preciousness of the life that you have and the people
that are in it don't lose sight of that, not
for some hope, some kind of make believe this is
what I thought I was going to have.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Enjoy what you do have. Nancy, Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show.
Speaker 10 (11:05):
Hi, Jesus, I have a question. I am looking for
verses about the age of accountability.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
There aren't really any if you're looking about something specifically
talking about the age of accountability. It's more theorized by
most and some many don't believe that it exists at all.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But religiously people.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Use them or theologically people use that term usually to
say there's different schools of thought. Some of them will say, well,
a child will automatically go to Heaven if they're below
a certain age or the age of accountability, which really
is a sliding scale to begin with, because there are
children at very young ages that understand and comprehend many things,
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and then there are others that get older and maybe
slightly slower and don't understand things. There are religious traditions
that say that age of accountability is twelve or thirteen
because they reference that my first readings in scripture come
around that time, or certain things like this. So people
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will make kind of arbitrary lines saying, well, it has
to be this, has to be that. But as far
as scripture specifically saying an age of accountability, no, But
there is talk that people will come to the knowledge
of the difference, the difference between sweet and bitter, and
some people say, well, that may be alluding to the
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concept of truth versus that which is false, But no
one verse that you're going to come across. That's why
it is a topic that's continually argued to this day.
Is there a particular reason you ask.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
I was just trying to give some hope to somebody
who doesn't believe, who believes that if a three year
old dies today, they're going to go to hell.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Well, there's no reason to believe that either. I mean,
there's there and there. The argument kind of goes it
does tie into that, and there's people they go back
and forth and they quote Proverbs twenty eleven that talks
about even a child is known by his doings, whether
his work be pure, whether it be right.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
There are those that will talk about.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Matthew Mark and I think this also in Luke eighteen sixteen,
where it says suffer little children and forbid them not
to come to me for such as the kingdom of Heaven.
And people look at that and say, obviously Christ is
talking there about the children being in heaven.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And this is an argument that goes back and forth.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
This is a place where really faith comes in and
you have to trust that when the ugliness of something
like a child dying takes place, that God, God has
a way of balancing these things out. That really accountability
and salvation is based on acceptance or rejection, not ignorance,
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and that's where the confusion sometimes lies. Ken, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Hi Jesus. When I was eight years old, I was
at a Christian camp swimming in a lake and I
watched the boy drown right in front of me.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
It was a horrible, dramatic incident that changed my life forever.
And now I take it to being an adult. I'm
forty years old now and I decided to have my
daughter baptized about two weeks ago, and I get the
directions to the lake, and my daughter's very excited, and
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I'm very excited to have her baptized. And I drive
in and it's the same lake that I watched a
boy drown when I was exactly her age, and I
kind of relived the whole incident again, and I was devastated.
I mean, the odds of this happening. Of all the
places that I could have had my daughter baptized, it
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was exactly the same place that I watched this happen.
And you know, I didn't know why this was going on.
I had mixed feelings about it. Maybe I shouldn't do it,
Maybe it's cursed. Is this really what God's plan is
is to use this lake? And you know, I decided that,
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you know, this wasn't about me anymore. This is about
my daughter accepting Jesus Christ in her life. And I
explained to her what happened, and we decided to do it.
But I was wondering if there's any significance to this
at all.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Well, I'll tell you first, I'm very proud of you
because you pushed through it. The enemy had you at
every turn on that one. He would have loved nothing
more than you to turn that car around and not
have your daughter baptized. It would have been a huge
victory in his eyes. And you push through it. There
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are a lot of things that are going to take place.
You drive on roads every day that people have lost
loved ones on. Every day, You've gone to hospitals where
people have died. You've gone to restaurants where people have
been have gotten sick or might have choked on something.
Death is a part of life.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
It's everywhere.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
But you need to see the significance of the instance
and what's taking place, rather than the fact that there's
a history of something. Now, if that child died because
there was something in that water, I wouldn't blame you,
But because of a freak accident or someone dying to
not use you know, there's reason that it's the same place.
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This particular church or churches in general in that area
may use this. For you said it was a Christian camp,
or now it's a Christian baptism that there is You know,
it's a body of water in the area. It's normal
for it to be used in different purposes. But what
I want you to take from this is the fact
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that things aren't evil unto themselves. There isn't an evil
thing in the world. Evil is when morally neutral things
have bad relationships. So for instance, when a child is
unattended or doesn't swim well, water can be evil in
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the relationship between that person and the water and they
can drown.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But in a.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Baptism that's controlled and there are people around to watch
and it's done structurally, it can be a beautiful thing
about the awakening of someone's spirit and the acknowledgment of
their faith. So likewise, if someone broke into your house
heaven forbid, with a gun, that's a bad thing. But
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if right behind them, law enforcement broke into your house
with a gun, that's a good thing. And so I
want you to stop, you know, not to see this
lake as something good or bad. It was depending on
how it was experienced, that was good or bad.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
But the lake.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Itself is not evil and it isn't cursed or anything
like that Situationally, it's very sad that you had to
witness that at such a young age or at all,
and it's going to be, you know, an indelible mark
on your life forever.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But I hope that it will.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Be equally as indelible the moment and the beauty of
watching your daughter being baptized and confirm her place and
her heart for God in front of all those people.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
That too should have power. Wouldn't you say?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, that just I just couldn't believe it. And it's
you know, some good has come of it, because I
decided to be a paramedic after that for obvious reasons.
So it did change my life forever. But it also
you know, after her being baptist baptized, I'll never forget
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that day.
Speaker 9 (19:21):
In my life.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That was a day that just stood out to me
and I felt that, you know, God was talking to
me that day. It just was a really strange thing
to go through.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And what was he saying.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
He was saying, to let this go. He was saying,
don't harbor any guilt. It wasn't my fault. You know,
I was a child I and I didn't rescue him.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
I I panicked, But you didn't have the ability to
rescue him, right, I didn't, and so it can't be
your fault.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Right, And I and I it took a long time
to realize that it wasn't my fault. And but you know,
just to let it go. I mean, just to say
goodbye to him, to pray for him, and I don't know.
It was just a really difficult thing to go through.
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And being a paramedic, I've seen people drown and been
on the other side of it too. It was just
a really strange day.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
I want you to take all those the physical things
and seeing someone lose their life obviously very potent. Scripture
says do not fear those that can kill the flesh,
but those that can kill the spirit. And I want
you to think about all those people that are drounding
spiritually every single day because no one wants to do
anything about it. They're embarrassed to share their faith or
whatever it might be. And the situation you're describing is
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that you immediately grew into a person who said, you
know what, I want to know what to do, became
a paramedic. What you witnessed with your daughter was you know,
the symbolism of baptism is the death and the burial
and the resurrection as they come up out of the water.
And I think all of that imagery is very powerful,
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but what you do with it is up to you.
You know, the same knife you may use for a tracheotomy,
an emergency tracheotomy is the is a knife that could
be used to kill somebody. And to not put value
positive or negative on these things, the water, the knife,
any of these things, but to see them as proper
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usage and improper usage.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And what you got.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
You've got to see both in the same body of water,
and you got to see both sides of the beauty
of that water and the power of that water in
the sense of that it could take a life, but
to dwell on it or somehow let it weigh you
down when it's obviously been a you know, a positive
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or productive in your life, piece of your life. Because
you've taken it and said I'm going to do something
good with it. You have to let you have to
let the power of that lake or the mystery of
that lake go away. But you don't have to forget
what took place there. You don't forget what you learned there.
You don't have to forget the life. But you couldn't
do anything. And guilt is irrelevant, It doesn't mean anything.
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It has no benefit in this particular case. And I
think that you should enjoy the beauty of what your
daughter went through and that that should be a significant
part of your life, equally as significant as the death
that you witnessed, because if you really believe what it
says in scripture, it says that the fear is not
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in the flesh being lost, but the spirit being lost.
And so you were able to sit there and watch
your daughter come into a new life in Christ. And
that's a very powerful and wonderful thing. I'm sorry that
you went through that experience, but it's obvious that it
has done something and meant something in a way that
has become very, very productive in your life that glorifies God.
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The other gives the enemy total Foothold Dale, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
Hello Jesus Hi Dale. I'm first time caller I have
listened to for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Well, welcome, How can I help you?
Speaker 9 (23:31):
I was married to who to whom I perceived as
my actually my soulmate at a young age. I was
actually twenty and she was she's eighteen. We were blessed
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with with my with with a daughter and actually and
then to other sons after that. Married for fourteen years
and worked so hard to build a good life and
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all my plans for the future and all all the
plans that I thought God had and sore for me
were there and was probably, I mean, themost happiest time
of my life. And I had was fairly successful in
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the field that I was in at the time. I
actually put my wife, my ex wife never worked because
we wanted her to be with the children as much
as possible and daily.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I hate to rush you, but because of time, as there.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
Questions, Yeah, it's been divorced. She she she had, she
committed an adultery, had an affair on me for a
year and when I found this out, it broke me
more than than I mean. I've never been able to
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get over this. And this is four years ago now
and it's still like it was yesterday. Will the pain
ever stopped? I mean, I have to watch another man
race my children.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Mhm.
Speaker 9 (25:38):
How does someone well well, I still have yet to know.
I do not know how to deal with this.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Jale, hold on tight. I have some thoughts for you.
Just after this break, we were talking with Dale.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Dale.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You're still there, Yes, I am, okay. So you said that.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
This woman you felt was your soulmate, and you get
married young, you have children, she has an affair and
now she's with someone else and they're raising your children.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
Yeah, she she she married the man that she was
in an affair with and they actually have a child
now together.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
And do you have it?
Speaker 9 (26:28):
Seems that all I do is I live for I
see my children every two weeks. That's what you know.
They that's that's what they said that I mean, that's
all I could do.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Dale, Do you drink it?
Speaker 9 (26:41):
All I did?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I did?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
But you're cleaning sober now? Excuse me, you're cleaning sober now?
Speaker 9 (26:52):
Not quite?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Not quite? And what does not quite mean?
Speaker 9 (26:56):
There are times when I when I would do anything
to kill the pang.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
You know that that's not productive and it won't help
you see those children?
Speaker 9 (27:06):
Absolutely absolutely, And I am a Christian and but and
I know that that's not the right thing.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Are you? Are you drinking today at all?
Speaker 9 (27:24):
No? I'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Okay. Good, that's a good.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Start, So, Dale, when when it comes to relationships, you
get two people, obviously you both have a say, and
you both can take the You know, you can either
positively move in one direction together or you can move
in two different directions. Chances are if we parsed your
whole relationship, when we looked back there was a time
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when you saw signs of maybe she not being the
right one. Then people bring children into the equation all
of that.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
We don't have time for that.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
But what I do want to tell you is that
if you live in the bowl of just staring at
that circumstance she's married and she's moved on, you won't
be able to dig yourself out at all. If you
get to a place where you're bettering yourself, you're not
you know, getting into the hoots, you're not drinking, you're
being productive, and you're finding ways to I would encourage
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you to help others, And there's programs for people that
have been cheated on and things like that that you
can go into and talk and find out the things
that people have gone through and how they've pushed themselves
through it. Prayer and church and all these things play
a part of all this. Then you can move forward
yourself and find that happiness or a partner in life.
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But if you're going to focus on the past, on
the program a lot of times, and I know pain
is difficult to get through, but there's a limit. There's
a certain amount of pain that comes from the experience,
and then the rest is you putting it on yourself.
And I like in the past to driving and when
you're driving, you have a rearview mirror, but you use
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the rearview mirror only to move forward right, to change lanes,
to make sure that you're driving safely. But you would
never drive staring in the rear view mirror, wouldn't you,
Because if you if you just stared at the rearview mirror,
you'd crash right absolutely, And that's what you're doing right now.
You're driving staring in the rearview mirror.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
So and I don't want to I want to move forward,
I really do.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
So today you need you need to start and actually
have a process, whether it's setting up time to go
to church and be constructive there. You need to find
a charity or something where you can put your time
into helping others, not wallowing in your own pain. And
you need to dedicate yourself to those things and continue
to build up your wants and desires in life and
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the things that make you you dale so that you'll
be attractive to somebody. But somebody who's wallowing, who's boozing
it up, is not going to be attractive to any woman.
That's gonna be good for you. You gotta clean yourself up.
Your daddy and you're a child to God, and you
got to clean yourself up.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And then women will come.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
And you'll build your life and fulfill it by yourself,
and then you'll be ready for another partner. But to
sit in the pain isn't gonna help. And that's the
best I can tell you. It's about you applying that now.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Mike, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Hello, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm well, Mike. How can I help you?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
There's two questions. I know Biblically, to be absent from.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
The body is to be in the presence of the Lord.
Once we passed away Christians and believers, he accepts us
if anything, through grace, that we accepting to heaven. Two
questions going back from day one on New Year calendars,
going back to follow thirteen, fourteen hundred and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Millions and billions and billions of people.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Have passed away and died.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And number one isn't heaven getting elett bit crowded up
there like a four or.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Five on a Friday night.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And then number two.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Reading a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Maybe hearsay. I don't know, George Nori, he has special
people talking. But I've heard a lot that once you
pass away, we go into a spiritual worm where we
go through a learning process or a period of time.
I heard some say that it's up to the soul
of spirit if we want to come back into different
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body and go through this whole thing again, or we
can just stay up in heaven.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
It says that most.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
People prefer to come back, and then they said, you
do come back, you don't remember what you did before.
You know, once around, there's enough this life right now,
I'm ready and I'm done. I don't want to go
through the s getting food.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Will remember.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Your view on both of those places.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Okay, First of all, there's room for ten more people
in heaven. I'm just kidding. That would be horrible. No,
there's plenty of room. Heaven does not have the walls
and the restraints of time and space the way you
think of them. Here there is no limitation. God didn't
make it, and in say, oh my gosh, I invited
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all these people. I didn't think they were all going
to make it. It's not a situation like that. So
no worries there. There is there is no limit to
where somebody will be left out that believes.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But isn't it I mean, but if there are all
these people and not people, I say, but souls and
spirits going around? And haven't I know the soul in
spirits like many skill as far as a waiting of
course or whatever.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
But still isn't it does not It does not take
up space you're applying human restrictions and attributes of this
world to the next, and there is none at a time.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
There's no time continuum, there's no spatial concerns. It is
not the same way in the same sense at all,
in any shape for it.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So there could be six hundred billion people, it wouldn't
matter right now, and Christ than God would still be
in control.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Over all of that.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yep, wouldn't matter.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That's what was going on on earth.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't matter, doesn't There is no
limitations there now. As far as the second.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Question, and before your dress side person, I appreciate card
I do have a very brief, brief third question about
the healing practices of evangelists.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
It's very brief.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
If I may ask to have to answer this other.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Question, sure, sure, Okay, see.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
After being reborn, not being able to remember going through
a learning.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Podcast that's not Christianity that you you had quoted some
verses earlier in Corinthians and in Hebrews. You loosely paraphrase
them about uh in Corinthians about is to be absent
from the body is to be present with the Lord.
But it also says in Hebrews that you're it's appointed
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for men to die once and then the judgment. So
there is no there's no place for what is referred
to as the sumsorrow, that cycle of life. There is
no place for reincarnation. Reincarnation was never in scripture. Uh,
there's no place for it. It doesn't fit and uh
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and and so that doesn't make sense with Christianity.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Even though George no, I know, he's a little not
out there body, he does have people that he talks
on your net. So it's basically this is it. Once
we're done, that's it.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
George Nori is a lovely man, a very smart man,
and he does have very interesting guests on Coast to
Coast AM. But but his his job and his focus
is not the same as the focus of the show.
So so he's looking at things from a broader spectrum
than this. This program is we're very focused on the
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Christian Judeo Christian presupposition and the Christian theology and specifics,
so we obviously have a different point and when it
comes to that, So in this particular case, there is
nothing in scripture that allows for that reincarnation and there's
no need for it. Now there can be those that
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argue our Catholic brothers and sisters argue that there is
a purgatory, but there's different but there's different beliefs in
that that has changed throughout the years as well as
to what that means and what's taking place. But as
far as mainstream Christianity or Protestantism, they differ. So mainstream Christianity,
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do you put Catholicism and protestant in that same basket
they're going to They're going to differ. So keep that
in mind. There is differences very quickly so we can
make sure that we're fair to everyone else. You had
one more question you wanted to ask, Yes, just very
very quick.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Known evangelist Katherine Coleman probably most probably known other a
local evangelists with the healing powers. I went to a
Catholic church, growing up on stage for praying everything. I mean,
they didn't even touch me yet I felt at people,
my wife and other friends. They said he was pred
anyone near me and I just supposedly felt under the
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spirit other places where I went up, actually felt this
presence for you just I mean it's like just falling backwards.
How what is that manifest and are these really true?
Of I want to say, I don't want to say heals,
but the presence of falling under what they call falling
in the spirit. I don't get that. I mean, I
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get it, But how's that explained?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
That?
Speaker 6 (06:49):
It depends because and this is not specifically speaking about
anyone who refers to themselves as a faith healer.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
A lot of that is garbage.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
A lot of it ties into theatrics and whatnot and
psychology that takes place during a group experience like that.
That doesn't mean that it can't take place. Of course,
there are gifts of the spirit that do take place,
and there are healings that could take place to this day.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But that is God's will, not the will of an
individual or their ability. God will speak through somebody like
a prophet, and God will heal through somebody like a healer,
but it's not done in the theatrical way the way
it often is betrayed in Christianity. Across the board, there
are many of those that act as if they are
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faith healers, and really it's amount of theatrics and people
get caught up in something the same way you can
watch a movie that you know is absolutely fake that
it is actors that you've seen many times before. You
could start to cry or get angry or be thrilled
by the outcome, because emotionally, you're having experience with those
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other people in the theater while watching something. So you
have to be careful as to what your experience is.
Your experience should always be lining up with scripture and
the things of God, and it should never be to
the glory of an individual other than God. You shouldn't
have to pay for such a thing.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
These types of things should be thought of before you
go and experience on things, because they can be quite
emotional and you can catch you up in that kind
of overall attitude and excitement, and you can think that
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it's spiritual when it's just psychological. Something to think about, brother,
and not be lost in that. Trisha, Welcome to the
Jesus Christow.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
Hi, Jesus Hi.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
How can I help you?
Speaker 8 (08:55):
Well, my husband and I have been together for twenty
five years since we're a seen and we had ten
years ago we had creamy twins and they had a
lot of health problems, but you know, we worked through it.
And I'm a real nervous person and through this whole
thing with the twins. There was a lot of life
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and death issues as far as like open heart surgeries
and stuff like that, and things seemed like they were
getting bt or my kids were healthy and stuff. But
then my husband got diagnosed with cancer, and ever since then,
I have just.
Speaker 9 (09:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
I can't I can't come to terms with the fact
that I feel like everything that I had hoped for
and worked for.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
That it's just not ever going to be the same now,
and I'm always here. I see almost everything now like
I'm petrified even if my kids get a cold, that
they're going.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
To die, And like Tricia, that that's no way to
live your expectations. Expectations really can be the demon of
everything to It's good to have hopes, it's good to
have desires, but if you get to a place where
where those overshadow everything else, Tricia, and your life becomes
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this drawing or cartoon of what you expect, you will
never appreciate and see what you have in front of you.
And that's a huge concern of mine. Don't get lost
in that, Tricia. I know that you're going through pain.
I know that you have problems, and there are things
that you can tackle, but if you start to try
and nerf the world and make everything so it has
no sharp edges, or that there's not ever going to
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be a problem that you will lose sight of the
preciousness of the life that you have and the people
that are in it don't lose sight of that, not
for some hope, some kind of make believe this is
what I thought I was going to have.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Enjoy what you do have. Nancy, Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show.
Speaker 10 (11:05):
Hi, Jesus, I have a question. I am looking for
verses about the age of accountability.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
There aren't really any if you're looking about something specifically
talking about the age of accountability. It's more theorized by
most and some many don't believe that it exists at all.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But religiously people.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Use them or theologically people use that term usually to
say there's different schools of thought. Some of them will say, well,
a child will automatically go to Heaven if they're below
a certain age or the age of accountability, which really
is a sliding scale to begin with, because there are
children at very young ages that understand and comprehend many things,
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and then there are others that get older and maybe
slightly slower and don't understand things. There are religious traditions
that say that age of accountability is twelve or thirteen
because they reference that my first readings in scripture come
around that time, or certain things like this. So people
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will make kind of arbitrary lines saying, well, it has
to be this, has to be that. But as far
as scripture specifically saying an age of accountability, no, But
there is talk that people will come to the knowledge
of the difference, the difference between sweet and bitter, and
some people say, well, that may be alluding to the
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concept of truth versus that which is false, But no
one verse that you're going to come across. That's why
it is a topic that's continually argued to this day.
Is there a particular reason you ask.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
I was just trying to give some hope to somebody
who doesn't believe, who believes that if a three year
old dies today, they're going to go to hell.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Well, there's no reason to believe that either. I mean,
there's there and there. The argument kind of goes it
does tie into that, and there's people they go back
and forth and they quote Proverbs twenty eleven that talks
about even a child is known by his doings, whether
his work be pure, whether it be right.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
There are those that will talk about.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Matthew Mark and I think this also in Luke eighteen sixteen,
where it says suffer little children and forbid them not
to come to me for such as the kingdom of Heaven.
And people look at that and say, obviously Christ is
talking there about the children being in heaven.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And this is an argument that goes back and forth.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
This is a place where really faith comes in and
you have to trust that when the ugliness of something
like a child dying takes place, that God, God has
a way of balancing these things out. That really accountability
and salvation is based on acceptance or rejection, not ignorance,
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and that's where the confusion sometimes lies. Ken, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Hi Jesus. When I was eight years old, I was
at a Christian camp swimming in a lake and I
watched the boy drown right in front of me.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
It was a horrible, dramatic incident that changed my life forever.
And now I take it to being an adult. I'm
forty years old now and I decided to have my
daughter baptized about two weeks ago, and I get the
directions to the lake, and my daughter's very excited, and
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I'm very excited to have her baptized. And I drive
in and it's the same lake that I watched a
boy drown when I was exactly her age, and I
kind of relived the whole incident again, and I was devastated.
I mean, the odds of this happening. Of all the
places that I could have had my daughter baptized, it
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was exactly the same place that I watched this happen.
And you know, I didn't know why this was going on.
I had mixed feelings about it. Maybe I shouldn't do it,
Maybe it's cursed. Is this really what God's plan is
is to use this lake? And you know, I decided that,
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you know, this wasn't about me anymore. This is about
my daughter accepting Jesus Christ in her life. And I
explained to her what happened, and we decided to do it.
But I was wondering if there's any significance to this
at all.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Well, I'll tell you first, I'm very proud of you
because you pushed through it. The enemy had you at
every turn on that one. He would have loved nothing
more than you to turn that car around and not
have your daughter baptized. It would have been a huge
victory in his eyes. And you push through it. There
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are a lot of things that are going to take place.
You drive on roads every day that people have lost
loved ones on. Every day, You've gone to hospitals where
people have died. You've gone to restaurants where people have
been have gotten sick or might have choked on something.
Death is a part of life.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
It's everywhere.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
But you need to see the significance of the instance
and what's taking place, rather than the fact that there's
a history of something. Now, if that child died because
there was something in that water, I wouldn't blame you,
But because of a freak accident or someone dying to
not use you know, there's reason that it's the same place.
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This particular church or churches in general in that area
may use this. For you said it was a Christian camp,
or now it's a Christian baptism that there is You know,
it's a body of water in the area. It's normal
for it to be used in different purposes. But what
I want you to take from this is the fact
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that things aren't evil unto themselves. There isn't an evil
thing in the world. Evil is when morally neutral things
have bad relationships. So for instance, when a child is
unattended or doesn't swim well, water can be evil in
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the relationship between that person and the water and they
can drown.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But in a.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Baptism that's controlled and there are people around to watch
and it's done structurally, it can be a beautiful thing
about the awakening of someone's spirit and the acknowledgment of
their faith. So likewise, if someone broke into your house
heaven forbid, with a gun, that's a bad thing. But
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if right behind them, law enforcement broke into your house
with a gun, that's a good thing. And so I
want you to stop, you know, not to see this
lake as something good or bad. It was depending on
how it was experienced, that was good or bad.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
But the lake.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Itself is not evil and it isn't cursed or anything
like that Situationally, it's very sad that you had to
witness that at such a young age or at all,
and it's going to be, you know, an indelible mark
on your life forever.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But I hope that it will.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Be equally as indelible the moment and the beauty of
watching your daughter being baptized and confirm her place and
her heart for God in front of all those people.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
That too should have power. Wouldn't you say?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, that just I just couldn't believe it. And it's
you know, some good has come of it, because I
decided to be a paramedic after that for obvious reasons.
So it did change my life forever. But it also
you know, after her being baptist baptized, I'll never forget
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that day.
Speaker 9 (19:21):
In my life.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That was a day that just stood out to me
and I felt that, you know, God was talking to
me that day. It just was a really strange thing
to go through.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And what was he saying.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
He was saying, to let this go. He was saying,
don't harbor any guilt. It wasn't my fault. You know,
I was a child I and I didn't rescue him.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
I I panicked, But you didn't have the ability to
rescue him, right, I didn't, and so it can't be
your fault.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Right, And I and I it took a long time
to realize that it wasn't my fault. And but you know,
just to let it go. I mean, just to say
goodbye to him, to pray for him, and I don't know.
It was just a really difficult thing to go through.
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And being a paramedic, I've seen people drown and been
on the other side of it too. It was just
a really strange day.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
I want you to take all those the physical things
and seeing someone lose their life obviously very potent. Scripture
says do not fear those that can kill the flesh,
but those that can kill the spirit. And I want
you to think about all those people that are drounding
spiritually every single day because no one wants to do
anything about it. They're embarrassed to share their faith or
whatever it might be. And the situation you're describing is
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that you immediately grew into a person who said, you
know what, I want to know what to do, became
a paramedic. What you witnessed with your daughter was you know,
the symbolism of baptism is the death and the burial
and the resurrection as they come up out of the water.
And I think all of that imagery is very powerful,
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but what you do with it is up to you.
You know, the same knife you may use for a tracheotomy,
an emergency tracheotomy is the is a knife that could
be used to kill somebody. And to not put value
positive or negative on these things, the water, the knife,
any of these things, but to see them as proper
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usage and improper usage.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And what you got.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
You've got to see both in the same body of water,
and you got to see both sides of the beauty
of that water and the power of that water in
the sense of that it could take a life, but
to dwell on it or somehow let it weigh you
down when it's obviously been a you know, a positive
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or productive in your life, piece of your life. Because
you've taken it and said I'm going to do something
good with it. You have to let you have to
let the power of that lake or the mystery of
that lake go away. But you don't have to forget
what took place there. You don't forget what you learned there.
You don't have to forget the life. But you couldn't
do anything. And guilt is irrelevant, It doesn't mean anything.
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It has no benefit in this particular case. And I
think that you should enjoy the beauty of what your
daughter went through and that that should be a significant
part of your life, equally as significant as the death
that you witnessed, because if you really believe what it
says in scripture, it says that the fear is not
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in the flesh being lost, but the spirit being lost.
And so you were able to sit there and watch
your daughter come into a new life in Christ. And
that's a very powerful and wonderful thing. I'm sorry that
you went through that experience, but it's obvious that it
has done something and meant something in a way that
has become very, very productive in your life that glorifies God.
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The other gives the enemy total Foothold Dale, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
Hello Jesus Hi Dale. I'm first time caller I have
listened to for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Well, welcome, How can I help you?
Speaker 9 (23:31):
I was married to who to whom I perceived as
my actually my soulmate at a young age. I was
actually twenty and she was she's eighteen. We were blessed
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with with my with with a daughter and actually and
then to other sons after that. Married for fourteen years
and worked so hard to build a good life and
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all my plans for the future and all all the
plans that I thought God had and sore for me
were there and was probably, I mean, themost happiest time
of my life. And I had was fairly successful in
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the field that I was in at the time. I
actually put my wife, my ex wife never worked because
we wanted her to be with the children as much
as possible and daily.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I hate to rush you, but because of time, as there.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
Questions, Yeah, it's been divorced. She she she had, she
committed an adultery, had an affair on me for a
year and when I found this out, it broke me
more than than I mean. I've never been able to
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get over this. And this is four years ago now
and it's still like it was yesterday. Will the pain
ever stopped? I mean, I have to watch another man
race my children.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Mhm.
Speaker 9 (25:38):
How does someone well well, I still have yet to know.
I do not know how to deal with this.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Jale, hold on tight. I have some thoughts for you.
Just after this break, we were talking with Dale.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Dale.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You're still there, Yes, I am, okay. So you said that.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
This woman you felt was your soulmate, and you get
married young, you have children, she has an affair and
now she's with someone else and they're raising your children.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
Yeah, she she she married the man that she was
in an affair with and they actually have a child
now together.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
And do you have it?
Speaker 9 (26:28):
Seems that all I do is I live for I
see my children every two weeks. That's what you know.
They that's that's what they said that I mean, that's
all I could do.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Dale, Do you drink it?
Speaker 9 (26:41):
All I did?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I did?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
But you're cleaning sober now? Excuse me, you're cleaning sober now?
Speaker 9 (26:52):
Not quite?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Not quite? And what does not quite mean?
Speaker 9 (26:56):
There are times when I when I would do anything
to kill the pang.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
You know that that's not productive and it won't help
you see those children?
Speaker 9 (27:06):
Absolutely absolutely, And I am a Christian and but and
I know that that's not the right thing.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Are you? Are you drinking today at all?
Speaker 9 (27:24):
No? I'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Okay. Good, that's a good.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Start, So, Dale, when when it comes to relationships, you
get two people, obviously you both have a say, and
you both can take the You know, you can either
positively move in one direction together or you can move
in two different directions. Chances are if we parsed your
whole relationship, when we looked back there was a time
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when you saw signs of maybe she not being the
right one. Then people bring children into the equation all
of that.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
We don't have time for that.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
But what I do want to tell you is that
if you live in the bowl of just staring at
that circumstance she's married and she's moved on, you won't
be able to dig yourself out at all. If you
get to a place where you're bettering yourself, you're not
you know, getting into the hoots, you're not drinking, you're
being productive, and you're finding ways to I would encourage
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you to help others, And there's programs for people that
have been cheated on and things like that that you
can go into and talk and find out the things
that people have gone through and how they've pushed themselves
through it. Prayer and church and all these things play
a part of all this. Then you can move forward
yourself and find that happiness or a partner in life.
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But if you're going to focus on the past, on
the program a lot of times, and I know pain
is difficult to get through, but there's a limit. There's
a certain amount of pain that comes from the experience,
and then the rest is you putting it on yourself.
And I like in the past to driving and when
you're driving, you have a rearview mirror, but you use
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the rearview mirror only to move forward right, to change lanes,
to make sure that you're driving safely. But you would
never drive staring in the rear view mirror, wouldn't you,
Because if you if you just stared at the rearview mirror,
you'd crash right absolutely, And that's what you're doing right now.
You're driving staring in the rearview mirror.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
So and I don't want to I want to move forward,
I really do.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
So today you need you need to start and actually
have a process, whether it's setting up time to go
to church and be constructive there. You need to find
a charity or something where you can put your time
into helping others, not wallowing in your own pain. And
you need to dedicate yourself to those things and continue
to build up your wants and desires in life and
(29:50):
the things that make you you dale so that you'll
be attractive to somebody. But somebody who's wallowing, who's boozing
it up, is not going to be attractive to any woman.
That's gonna be good for you. You gotta clean yourself up.
Your daddy and you're a child to God, and you
got to clean yourself up.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And then women will come.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
And you'll build your life and fulfill it by yourself,
and then you'll be ready for another partner. But to
sit in the pain isn't gonna help. And that's the
best I can tell you. It's about you applying that now.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
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