October 12, 2025 • 30 mins
Is Heaven Getting Crowded?
Is there a place for reincarnation
Expectations Overshadow
Age of Accountability
Baptism at place of childhood tragedy
Getting Divorced
Is there a place for reincarnation
Expectations Overshadow
Age of Accountability
Baptism at place of childhood tragedy
Getting Divorced
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand. Mike, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I'm well, Mike. How can I help you?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh? There's two questions. I know Biblically, to be absent
from the body is to be in the presence of
the Lord. Once we passed away, Christians and believers, he
accepts us if anything, through grace that were accepting to heaven.
Two questions going back from day one on New Year calendars,
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going back to follow thirteen, fourteen hundred and all that stuff.
Millions and billions and billions of people have passed away
and died. And number one isn't heaven getting a little
bit crowded up there like a four or five on
a Friday night. And then number two reading a lot
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of it. Maybe here say, I don't know, George Nori,
he has special people talking. But I've heard a lot
that once you pass away, we go into a spiritual
ram while we go through a learning process or a
period of time. I heard some say that it's up
to this old spirit if we want to come back
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into different body and go through this whole thing again,
or we can just stay up in heaven. It says
that most people prefer to come back, And then they said,
if you do come back, you don't remember what you
did before. You know, once around, there's enough this life
right now, I'm ready and I'm done. I don't want
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to go through the skinty Food'll remember your view on
both of those places.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Okay, First of all, there's room for ten more people
in heaven. I'm just kidding. That would be horrible. No,
there's plenty of room. Heaven does not have the walls
and the restraints of time and space the way you
think of them. Here there is no limitation. God didn't
make it, and in say, oh my gosh, I invited
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all these people. I didn't think they were all going
to make it. It's not a situation like that. So no
worries there. There is there is no limit to where
somebody will be left out that believes.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
But isn't it I mean, but if there are all
these people and not people, I say, but souls and
spirits is going on? And haven't I know the soul
in spirits like many skill as far as a waiting
of course or whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But still isn't it does not it does not take
up space. You're applying human restrictions and attributes of this
world to the next, and there is none. It's a
time there's no time continuum. There's no spatial concerns. It
is not the same way in the same sense at all,
in any shape or form.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So there could be six hundred billion people, it wouldn't
matter right now, and Christ than God would still be
in control over all of that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yep, wouldn't matter.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
That's what was going on on earth.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't matter, doesn't There is no
limitations there now. As far as the second question.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Before your dr side person, I appreciate card I do
have a very brief, brief third question about the healing
practices of evangelists. It's very brief. If I may ask
to have to answer this other question, sure, sure, Okay,
See after being reborn, not being able to remember going
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through a learning.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Podcast that's not Christianity that you you had quoted some
verses earlier in Corinthians and in Hebrews. You loosely paraphrase
them about uh in Corinthians about is to be absent
from the body is to be present with the Lord.
But it also says in Hebrews that you're it's appointed
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for men to die once and then the judgment. So
there is no there's no place for what is referred
to as the sumsorrow, that cycle of life. There is
no place for reincarnation. Reincarnation was never in scripture. Uh,
there's no place for it. It doesn't fit and uh
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and and so that doesn't make sense with Christianity.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Even George nor I know he's a little not out there,
but he does have inns and people that he talks you.
So it's basically this is once we're done, that's it.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
George Nori is a lovely man, a very smart man,
and he does have very interesting guests on Coast to
Coast AM. But but his his job and his focus
is not the same as the focus of the show.
So so he's looking at things from a broader spectrum
than this. This program, we're very focused on the Christian
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Judeo Christian presupposition and the Christian theology and specifics, so
we obviously have a different point and when it comes
to that. So in this particular case, there is nothing
in scripture that allows for that reincarnation and there's no
need for it. Now, there can be those that argue
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our Catholic brothers and sisters argue that there is a purgatory,
but there's different but there's different beliefs in that that
has changed throughout the years as well as to what
that means and what's taking place. But as far as
mainstream Christianity or Protestantism, they differ. So mainstream Christianity, do
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you put Catholicism in Protestant in that same basket they're
going to They're going to differ. So keep that in mind.
There is differences very quickly so we can make sure
that we're fair to everyone else. You had one more
question you wanted to ask, Yes, just very very quick.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Known evangelist Katherine Coleman, probably the most probably known other
local evangelists with the healing powers. They went to a
Catholic church, going up on stage for print everything. I mean,
they didn't even touch me yet. I felt at people,
my wife and other friends. They said he was presuld
anyone near me. I just supposedly felt under the spirit
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other places where I went up actually felt this presence
for you. Just I mean, it's like just falling backwards.
How what is that manifest and are is really true
of I want to say, I don't want to say heals,
but the presence of falling under what they call falling
in the spirit. I don't get that. I mean, I
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get it, but how's that explained?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
That?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It depends because and this is not specifically speaking about
anyone who refers to themselves as a faith healer. A
lot of that is garbage. A lot of it ties
into theatrics and whatnot and psychology that takes place during
a group experience like that. That doesn't mean that it
can't take place. Of course, there are gifts of the
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spirit that do take place, and there are healings that
could take place to this day. But that is God's will,
not the will of an individual or their ability. God
will speak through somebody like a prophet, and God will
heal through somebody like a healer. But it's not done
in the theatrical way the way it often is betrayed
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in Christianity. Across the board, there are many of those
that act as if they are faith healers, and really
it's amount of theatrics and people get caught up in
something the same way you can watch a movie that
you know is absolutely fake that it is actors that
you've seen many times before. You can start to cry
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or get angry or be thrilled by the outcome because emotionally,
you're having experience with those other people in the theater
while watching something. So you have to be careful as
to what your experience is. Your experience should always be
lining up with scripture and the things of God, and
it should never be to the glory of an individual
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other than God. You shouldn't have to pay for such
a thing. These types of things should be thought of
before you go and experience on things, because they can
be quite emotional and you can catch you up in
that kind of overall attitude and excitement, and you can
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think that it's spiritual when it's just psychological. Something to
think about, brother, and not be lost in that. Trisha,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Hi, Jesus Hi.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
How can I help you?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well, my husband and I have been together for twenty
five years since we're a seen and we had ten
years ago we had preemie twins and they had a
lot of health problems, but you know, we worked through it.
And I'm a real nervous person and through this whole
thing with the twins. There was a lot of life
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and death issues as far as like open heart surgeries
and stuff like that, and things seemed like they were
getting by, or my kids were healthy and stuff, but
then my husband got diagnosed with cancer, and ever since then,
I have just.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I can't I can't come to terms with the fact
that I feel like everything that I had hoped for
and worked for that.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
It's just not ever going to be the same now
and I'm always here. I see almost everything now like
I'm petrified even if my kids get a cold, that
they're going.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
To die, And like Tricia, that that's no way to
live your expectations. Expectations really can be the demon of
everything to It's good to have hopes, it's good to
have desires, but if you get to a place where
where those overshadow everything else, Tricia, and your life becomes
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this drawing or cartoon of what you expect, you will
never appreciate and see what you have in front of you.
And that's a huge concern of mine. Don't get lost
in that, Tricia. I know that you're going through pain.
I know that you have problems, and there are things
that you can tackle, but if you start to try
and nerf the world and make everything so it has
no sharp edges. Whether there's not ever going to be
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a problem that you will lose sight of the preciousness
of the life that you have and the people that
are in it don't lose sight of that, not for
some hope, some kind of make believe this is what
I thought I was going to have. Enjoy what you
do have, Nancy, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Hi, Jesus, I have a question. I am looking for
verses about the age of accountability.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
There aren't really any if you're looking about something specifically
talking about the age of accountability. It's more theorized by most,
and some many don't believe that it exists at all.
But religiously people use them, or theologically people use that term,
usually to say there's different schools of thought. Some of
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them will say, well, a child will automatically go to
Heaven if they're below a certain age or the age
of accountability, which really is a sliding scale to begin with,
because there are children at very young ages that understand
and comprehend many things, and then there are others that
get older and maybe slightly slower and don't understand things.
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There are religious traditions that say that the age of
accountability is twelve or thirteen because they reference that my
first readings in scripture come around that time, or certain
things like this. So people will make kind of arbitrary
lines saying, well, it has to be this, has to
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be that. But as far as scripture specifically saying an
age of accountability, no, But there is talk that people
will come to the knowledge of the difference, the difference
between sweet and bitter, and some people say, well, that
may be alluding to the concept of truth versus that
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which is false, But no one verse that you're going
to come across. That's why it is a topic that's
continually argued to this day. Is there a particular reason you.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Ask I was just trying to give some hope to
somebody who doesn't believe, who believes that if a three
year old dies today, they're going to go to hell.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, there's no reason to believe that either. I mean,
there's there and there. The argument kind of goes it
does tie into that, and there's people they go back
and forth and they quote Proverbs twenty eleven that talks
about even a child is known by his doings, whether
his work be pure, whether it be right. There are
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those that will talk about Matthew Mark and I think
this also in Luke eighteen sixteen, where it says suffer
little children and forbid them not to come to me
for such as the kingdom of Heaven. And people look
at that and say, obviously Christ is talking there about
the children being in heaven. And this is an argument
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that goes back and forth. This is a place where
really faith comes in and you have to trust that
when the ugliness of something like a child dying takes place,
that God, God has a way of balancing these things out.
That really accountability and salvation is based on acceptance or rejection,
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not ignorance, and that's where the confusion sometimes lies. Ken.
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
Hi Jesus. When I was eight years old, I was
at a Christian camp swimming in a lake and I
watched the boy drown right in front of me.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
It was a horrible, dramatic incident that changed my life forever.
And now I take it to being an adult. I'm
forty years old now and I decided to have my
daughter baptized about two weeks ago, and I get the
directions to the lake, and my daughter's very excited, and
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I'm very excited to have her baptized. And I drive
in and it's the same lake that I watched a
boy drown when I was exactly her age, and I
kind of relived the whole incident again, and I was devastated.
I mean, the odds of this happening. Of all the
places that I could have had my daughter baptized, it
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was exactly the same place that I watched this happen.
And you know, I didn't know why this was going on.
I had mixed feelings about it. Maybe I shouldn't do it,
Maybe it's cursed. Is this really what God's plan is
is to use this lake? And you know I decided that,
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you know, this wasn't about me anymore. This is about
my daughter accepting Jesus Christ in her life. And I
explained to her what happened, and we decided to do it.
But I was wondering if there's any significance to this
at all.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, I'll tell you first, I'm very proud of you
because you pushed through it. The enemy had you at
every turn on that one. He would have loved nothing
more than you To turn that car around and not
have your daughter baptized. It would have been a huge
victory in his eyes. And you push through it. There
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are a lot of things that are going to take place.
You drive on roads every day that people have lost
loved ones on. Every day. You've gone to hospitals where
people have died. You've gone to restaurants where people have
been have gotten sick, or might have choked on something.
Death is a part of life. It's everywhere. But you
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need to see the significance of the instance and what's
taking place, rather than the fact that there's a history
of something. Now, if that child died because there was
something in that water, I wouldn't blame you, But because
of a freak accident or someone dying, to not use
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you know, there's reason that it's the same place. This
particular church or churches in general in that area may
use this. For you said it was a Christian camp
or and now it's a Christian baptism that there is.
You know, it's a body of water in the area.
It's normal for it to be used in different purposes.
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But what I want you to take from this is
the fact that things aren't evil unto themselves. There isn't
an evil thing in the world. Evil is when morally
neutral things have bad relationships. So for instance, when a
child is unattended or doesn't swim well, water can be
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evil in the relationship between that person and the water
and they can drown. But in a baptism that's controlled
and there are people around to watch and it's done structurally,
it can be a beautiful thing about the awakening of
someone's spirit and the acknowledgment of their faith. So likewise,
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if someone broke into your house heaven forbid, with a gun,
that's a bad thing. But if right behind them, law
enforcement broke into your house with a gun, that's a
good thing. And so I want you to stop, you know,
not to see this lake as something good or bad.
It was depending on how it was experienced, that was
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good or bad. But the lake itself is not evil
and it isn't cursed or anything like that Situationally, it's
very sad that you had to witness that at such
a young age or at all, and it's going to be,
you know, an indelible mark on your life forever. But
I hope that it will be equally as indelible the
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moment and the beauty of watching your daughter being baptized
and confirm her place and her heart for God in
front of all those people that too should have power.
Wouldn't you say?
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Yeah, that just I just couldn't believe it. And it's
you know, some good has come of it, because I
decided to be a paramedic after that for obvious reasons.
So it did change my life forever. But it also
you know, after her being baptist baptized, I'll never forget
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that day in my life. That was a day that
just stood out to me and I felt that, you know,
God was talking to me that day. It just was
a really strange thing to go through.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And what was he saying.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
He was saying, to let this go. He was saying,
don't harbor any guilt. It wasn't my fault. You know,
I was a child I and I didn't rescue him.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I panicked, But you didn't have the ability to rescue him, right,
I didn't, So it can't be your fault.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Right, And I and I it took a long time
to realize that it wasn't my fault. And but you know,
just to let it go. I mean just to say
goodbye to him, to pray for him, and I don't know.
It was just a really difficult thing to go through.
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And being a paramedic, I've seen people drown and been
on the other side of it too. It was just
a really strange day.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I want you to take all those the physical things
and seeing someone lose their life obviously very potent. Scripture
says do not fear those that can kill the flesh,
but those that can kill the spirit. And I want
you to think about all those people that are durrounding
spiritually every single day because no one wants to do
anything about it. They're embarrassed to share their faith or
whatever it might be. And the situation you're describing is
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that you immediately grew into a person who said, you
know what, I want to know what to do, became
a paramedic. What you witnessed with your daughter was you know,
the symbolism of baptism is the death and the burial
and the resurrection as they come up out of the water.
And I think all of that imagery is very powerful,
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but what you do with it is up to you.
You know, the same knife you may use for a tracheotomy,
an emergency tracheotomy is the is a knife that could
be used to kill somebody. And to not put value
positive or negative on these things, the water, the knife,
any of these things, but to see them as proper
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usage and improper usage. And what you got. You've got
to see both in the same body of water, and
you got to see both sides of the beauty of
that water and the power of that water in the
sense of that it could take a life, but to
dwell on it or somehow let it weigh you down
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when it's obviously been a you know, a positive or
productive in your life, piece of your life, because you've
taken it and said I'm going to do something good
with it. You have to let You have to let
the power of that lake or the mystery of that
lake go away. But you don't have to forget what
took place there. You don't forget what you learned there.
You don't have to forget the life. But you couldn't
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do anything. And guilt is irrelevant, It doesn't mean anything.
It has no benefit in this particular case. And I
think that you should enjoy the beauty of what your
daughter went through and that that should be a significant
part of your life, equally as significant as the death
that you witnessed, because if you really believe what it
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says in scripture, it says that the fear is not
in the flesh being lost, but the spirit being lost.
And so you were able to sit there and watch
your daughter come into a new life in Christ. And
that's a very powerful and wonderful thing. I'm sorry that
you went through that experience, but it's obvious that it
has done something and meant something in a way that
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has become very, very productive in your life that glorifies God.
The other gives the enemy total Foothold Dale, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Hello Jesus, Hi Dale. I'm the first time caller I
have listened to for quite some time.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Well, welcome, How can I help you?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I was married to who to whom I perceived as
my actually my soulmate at a young age. I was
actually twenty and she was she's eighteen. We were blessed
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with them with my with a daughter and actually and
then to other sons after that. Married for fourteen years
and worked so hard to build a good life and
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all my plans for the future and all all the
plans that I thought God had and sore for me
were there, and it was probably, I mean, the most
happiest time of my life. And I had was fairly
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successful in the field that I was in at the time.
I actually put my wife, my ex wife never worked
because we wanted her to be with the children as
much as possible and daily.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I hate to rush you, but because of time, is
there question?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, she's been divorced. She she she had, she committed
an adultery, had an affair on me for a year
and when I found this out, it broke me more
than than I mean. I've never been able to get
over this. And this is four years ago now and
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it's still like it was yesterday. Will the pain ever stopped?
I mean, I have to watch another man race my children. Mhm,
how does someone well, I still have yet to know.
I do not know how to deal with this.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Jale, hold on tight. I have some thoughts for you.
Just after this break, we were talking with Dale.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Dale.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You're still there, Yes, I am, okay. So you said
that this woman you felt was your soulmate and you
get married young, you have children, she has an affair
and now she's with someone else and they're raising your children.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Yeah, she she she married the man that she was
in an affair with and they actually have a child
now together.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And do you have it?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Seems that all I do is I'll live for I
see my children every two weeks. That's what you know.
They that's that's what they said that I mean, that's
all I could do.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Dale, Do you drink it?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
All I did? I did?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
But you're cleaning sober now?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You're cleaning sober now?
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Not quite?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Not quite? And what does not quite mean?
Speaker 4 (26:56):
There are times when I when I would do anything
to kill the pang.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You know that that's not productive and it won't help
you see those children.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
As absolutely, and I am a Christian and but and
I know that that it's not the right thing.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Are you drinking today at all?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
No? I'm not.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Okay. Good, that's a good start, so Dale, when it
when it comes to relationships, you get two people. Obviously,
you both have a say, and you both can take
the You know, you can either positively move in one
direction together or you can move in two different directions.
Chances are if we parsed your whole relationship, when we
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looked back, there was a time when you saw signs
of maybe she not being the right one. Then people
bring children into the equation all of that. We don't
have time for that. But what I do want to
tell you is that if you live in the bowl
of just staring at that circumstance she's married and she's
moved on, you won't be able to dig yourself out
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at all. If you get to a place where you're
bettering yourself, you're not getting into the hoots, you're not drinking,
you're being productive, and you're finding ways to I would
encourage you to help others, And there's programs for people
that have been cheated on and things like that that
you can go into and talk and find out the
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things that people have gone through and how they've pushed
themselves through it. Prayer and church and all these things
play a part of all this. Then you can move
forward yourself and find that happiness or a partner in life.
But if you're going to focus on the past, on
the program a lot of times, and I know pain
is difficult to get through, but there's a limit. There's
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a certain amount of pain that comes from the experience,
and then the rest is you putting it on yourself.
And I like in the past to driving and when
you're driving, you have a rearview mirror, but you use
the rearview mirror only to move forward right to change lanes,
to make sure that you're driving safely. But you would
never drive staring in the rearview mirror, wouldn't you, Because
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if you just stared at the rearview mirror, you'd crash
right absolutely, And that's what you're doing right now. You're
driving staring in the rearview mirror.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
So and I don't want to I want to move forward,
I really do.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So today you need to start and actually have a process,
whether it's setting up time to go to church and
be constructive there. You need to find a charity or
something where you can put your time into helping others,
not wallowing in your own pain. And you need to
dedicate yourself to those things and continue to build up
your wants and desires in life and the things that
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make you you dale so that you'll be attractive to somebody.
But somebody who's wallowing, who's boozing it up, is not
going to be attractive to any woman that's gonna be
good for you. You gotta clean yourself up. Your daddy,
and you're a child to God, and you gotta clean
yourself up. And then women will come and you'll build
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your life and fulfill it by yourself, and then you'll
be ready for another partner. But to sit in the
pain isn't gonna help. And that's the best I can
tell you. It's about you applying that now. Kf I
am six on demand.
You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand. Mike, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I'm well, Mike. How can I help you?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh? There's two questions. I know Biblically, to be absent
from the body is to be in the presence of
the Lord. Once we passed away, Christians and believers, he
accepts us if anything, through grace that were accepting to heaven.
Two questions going back from day one on New Year calendars,
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going back to follow thirteen, fourteen hundred and all that stuff.
Millions and billions and billions of people have passed away
and died. And number one isn't heaven getting a little
bit crowded up there like a four or five on
a Friday night. And then number two reading a lot
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of it. Maybe here say, I don't know, George Nori,
he has special people talking. But I've heard a lot
that once you pass away, we go into a spiritual
ram while we go through a learning process or a
period of time. I heard some say that it's up
to this old spirit if we want to come back
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into different body and go through this whole thing again,
or we can just stay up in heaven. It says
that most people prefer to come back, And then they said,
if you do come back, you don't remember what you
did before. You know, once around, there's enough this life
right now, I'm ready and I'm done. I don't want
(01:38):
to go through the skinty Food'll remember your view on
both of those places.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Okay, First of all, there's room for ten more people
in heaven. I'm just kidding. That would be horrible. No,
there's plenty of room. Heaven does not have the walls
and the restraints of time and space the way you
think of them. Here there is no limitation. God didn't
make it, and in say, oh my gosh, I invited
(02:08):
all these people. I didn't think they were all going
to make it. It's not a situation like that. So no
worries there. There is there is no limit to where
somebody will be left out that believes.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
But isn't it I mean, but if there are all
these people and not people, I say, but souls and
spirits is going on? And haven't I know the soul
in spirits like many skill as far as a waiting
of course or whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But still isn't it does not it does not take
up space. You're applying human restrictions and attributes of this
world to the next, and there is none. It's a
time there's no time continuum. There's no spatial concerns. It
is not the same way in the same sense at all,
in any shape or form.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So there could be six hundred billion people, it wouldn't
matter right now, and Christ than God would still be
in control over all of that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yep, wouldn't matter.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
That's what was going on on earth.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't matter, doesn't There is no
limitations there now. As far as the second question.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Before your dr side person, I appreciate card I do
have a very brief, brief third question about the healing
practices of evangelists. It's very brief. If I may ask
to have to answer this other question, sure, sure, Okay,
See after being reborn, not being able to remember going
(03:37):
through a learning.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Podcast that's not Christianity that you you had quoted some
verses earlier in Corinthians and in Hebrews. You loosely paraphrase
them about uh in Corinthians about is to be absent
from the body is to be present with the Lord.
But it also says in Hebrews that you're it's appointed
(04:01):
for men to die once and then the judgment. So
there is no there's no place for what is referred
to as the sumsorrow, that cycle of life. There is
no place for reincarnation. Reincarnation was never in scripture. Uh,
there's no place for it. It doesn't fit and uh
(04:22):
and and so that doesn't make sense with Christianity.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Even George nor I know he's a little not out there,
but he does have inns and people that he talks you.
So it's basically this is once we're done, that's it.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
George Nori is a lovely man, a very smart man,
and he does have very interesting guests on Coast to
Coast AM. But but his his job and his focus
is not the same as the focus of the show.
So so he's looking at things from a broader spectrum
than this. This program, we're very focused on the Christian
(05:02):
Judeo Christian presupposition and the Christian theology and specifics, so
we obviously have a different point and when it comes
to that. So in this particular case, there is nothing
in scripture that allows for that reincarnation and there's no
need for it. Now, there can be those that argue
(05:22):
our Catholic brothers and sisters argue that there is a purgatory,
but there's different but there's different beliefs in that that
has changed throughout the years as well as to what
that means and what's taking place. But as far as
mainstream Christianity or Protestantism, they differ. So mainstream Christianity, do
(05:43):
you put Catholicism in Protestant in that same basket they're
going to They're going to differ. So keep that in mind.
There is differences very quickly so we can make sure
that we're fair to everyone else. You had one more
question you wanted to ask, Yes, just very very quick.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Known evangelist Katherine Coleman, probably the most probably known other
local evangelists with the healing powers. They went to a
Catholic church, going up on stage for print everything. I mean,
they didn't even touch me yet. I felt at people,
my wife and other friends. They said he was presuld
anyone near me. I just supposedly felt under the spirit
(06:23):
other places where I went up actually felt this presence
for you. Just I mean, it's like just falling backwards.
How what is that manifest and are is really true
of I want to say, I don't want to say heals,
but the presence of falling under what they call falling
in the spirit. I don't get that. I mean, I
(06:45):
get it, but how's that explained?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
That?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It depends because and this is not specifically speaking about
anyone who refers to themselves as a faith healer. A
lot of that is garbage. A lot of it ties
into theatrics and whatnot and psychology that takes place during
a group experience like that. That doesn't mean that it
can't take place. Of course, there are gifts of the
(07:10):
spirit that do take place, and there are healings that
could take place to this day. But that is God's will,
not the will of an individual or their ability. God
will speak through somebody like a prophet, and God will
heal through somebody like a healer. But it's not done
in the theatrical way the way it often is betrayed
(07:30):
in Christianity. Across the board, there are many of those
that act as if they are faith healers, and really
it's amount of theatrics and people get caught up in
something the same way you can watch a movie that
you know is absolutely fake that it is actors that
you've seen many times before. You can start to cry
(07:53):
or get angry or be thrilled by the outcome because emotionally,
you're having experience with those other people in the theater
while watching something. So you have to be careful as
to what your experience is. Your experience should always be
lining up with scripture and the things of God, and
it should never be to the glory of an individual
(08:15):
other than God. You shouldn't have to pay for such
a thing. These types of things should be thought of
before you go and experience on things, because they can
be quite emotional and you can catch you up in
that kind of overall attitude and excitement, and you can
(08:38):
think that it's spiritual when it's just psychological. Something to
think about, brother, and not be lost in that. Trisha,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Hi, Jesus Hi.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
How can I help you?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well, my husband and I have been together for twenty
five years since we're a seen and we had ten
years ago we had preemie twins and they had a
lot of health problems, but you know, we worked through it.
And I'm a real nervous person and through this whole
thing with the twins. There was a lot of life
(09:16):
and death issues as far as like open heart surgeries
and stuff like that, and things seemed like they were
getting by, or my kids were healthy and stuff, but
then my husband got diagnosed with cancer, and ever since then,
I have just.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I can't I can't come to terms with the fact
that I feel like everything that I had hoped for
and worked for that.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
It's just not ever going to be the same now
and I'm always here. I see almost everything now like
I'm petrified even if my kids get a cold, that
they're going.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
To die, And like Tricia, that that's no way to
live your expectations. Expectations really can be the demon of
everything to It's good to have hopes, it's good to
have desires, but if you get to a place where
where those overshadow everything else, Tricia, and your life becomes
(10:24):
this drawing or cartoon of what you expect, you will
never appreciate and see what you have in front of you.
And that's a huge concern of mine. Don't get lost
in that, Tricia. I know that you're going through pain.
I know that you have problems, and there are things
that you can tackle, but if you start to try
and nerf the world and make everything so it has
no sharp edges. Whether there's not ever going to be
(10:45):
a problem that you will lose sight of the preciousness
of the life that you have and the people that
are in it don't lose sight of that, not for
some hope, some kind of make believe this is what
I thought I was going to have. Enjoy what you
do have, Nancy, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Hi, Jesus, I have a question. I am looking for
verses about the age of accountability.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
There aren't really any if you're looking about something specifically
talking about the age of accountability. It's more theorized by most,
and some many don't believe that it exists at all.
But religiously people use them, or theologically people use that term,
usually to say there's different schools of thought. Some of
(11:33):
them will say, well, a child will automatically go to
Heaven if they're below a certain age or the age
of accountability, which really is a sliding scale to begin with,
because there are children at very young ages that understand
and comprehend many things, and then there are others that
get older and maybe slightly slower and don't understand things.
(11:56):
There are religious traditions that say that the age of
accountability is twelve or thirteen because they reference that my
first readings in scripture come around that time, or certain
things like this. So people will make kind of arbitrary
lines saying, well, it has to be this, has to
(12:17):
be that. But as far as scripture specifically saying an
age of accountability, no, But there is talk that people
will come to the knowledge of the difference, the difference
between sweet and bitter, and some people say, well, that
may be alluding to the concept of truth versus that
(12:38):
which is false, But no one verse that you're going
to come across. That's why it is a topic that's
continually argued to this day. Is there a particular reason you.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Ask I was just trying to give some hope to
somebody who doesn't believe, who believes that if a three
year old dies today, they're going to go to hell.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, there's no reason to believe that either. I mean,
there's there and there. The argument kind of goes it
does tie into that, and there's people they go back
and forth and they quote Proverbs twenty eleven that talks
about even a child is known by his doings, whether
his work be pure, whether it be right. There are
(13:18):
those that will talk about Matthew Mark and I think
this also in Luke eighteen sixteen, where it says suffer
little children and forbid them not to come to me
for such as the kingdom of Heaven. And people look
at that and say, obviously Christ is talking there about
the children being in heaven. And this is an argument
(13:43):
that goes back and forth. This is a place where
really faith comes in and you have to trust that
when the ugliness of something like a child dying takes place,
that God, God has a way of balancing these things out.
That really accountability and salvation is based on acceptance or rejection,
(14:04):
not ignorance, and that's where the confusion sometimes lies. Ken.
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
Hi Jesus. When I was eight years old, I was
at a Christian camp swimming in a lake and I
watched the boy drown right in front of me.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
It was a horrible, dramatic incident that changed my life forever.
And now I take it to being an adult. I'm
forty years old now and I decided to have my
daughter baptized about two weeks ago, and I get the
directions to the lake, and my daughter's very excited, and
(14:48):
I'm very excited to have her baptized. And I drive
in and it's the same lake that I watched a
boy drown when I was exactly her age, and I
kind of relived the whole incident again, and I was devastated.
I mean, the odds of this happening. Of all the
places that I could have had my daughter baptized, it
(15:12):
was exactly the same place that I watched this happen.
And you know, I didn't know why this was going on.
I had mixed feelings about it. Maybe I shouldn't do it,
Maybe it's cursed. Is this really what God's plan is
is to use this lake? And you know I decided that,
(15:32):
you know, this wasn't about me anymore. This is about
my daughter accepting Jesus Christ in her life. And I
explained to her what happened, and we decided to do it.
But I was wondering if there's any significance to this
at all.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, I'll tell you first, I'm very proud of you
because you pushed through it. The enemy had you at
every turn on that one. He would have loved nothing
more than you To turn that car around and not
have your daughter baptized. It would have been a huge
victory in his eyes. And you push through it. There
(16:13):
are a lot of things that are going to take place.
You drive on roads every day that people have lost
loved ones on. Every day. You've gone to hospitals where
people have died. You've gone to restaurants where people have
been have gotten sick, or might have choked on something.
Death is a part of life. It's everywhere. But you
(16:35):
need to see the significance of the instance and what's
taking place, rather than the fact that there's a history
of something. Now, if that child died because there was
something in that water, I wouldn't blame you, But because
of a freak accident or someone dying, to not use
(16:55):
you know, there's reason that it's the same place. This
particular church or churches in general in that area may
use this. For you said it was a Christian camp
or and now it's a Christian baptism that there is.
You know, it's a body of water in the area.
It's normal for it to be used in different purposes.
(17:16):
But what I want you to take from this is
the fact that things aren't evil unto themselves. There isn't
an evil thing in the world. Evil is when morally
neutral things have bad relationships. So for instance, when a
child is unattended or doesn't swim well, water can be
(17:40):
evil in the relationship between that person and the water
and they can drown. But in a baptism that's controlled
and there are people around to watch and it's done structurally,
it can be a beautiful thing about the awakening of
someone's spirit and the acknowledgment of their faith. So likewise,
(18:01):
if someone broke into your house heaven forbid, with a gun,
that's a bad thing. But if right behind them, law
enforcement broke into your house with a gun, that's a
good thing. And so I want you to stop, you know,
not to see this lake as something good or bad.
It was depending on how it was experienced, that was
(18:21):
good or bad. But the lake itself is not evil
and it isn't cursed or anything like that Situationally, it's
very sad that you had to witness that at such
a young age or at all, and it's going to be,
you know, an indelible mark on your life forever. But
I hope that it will be equally as indelible the
(18:43):
moment and the beauty of watching your daughter being baptized
and confirm her place and her heart for God in
front of all those people that too should have power.
Wouldn't you say?
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Yeah, that just I just couldn't believe it. And it's
you know, some good has come of it, because I
decided to be a paramedic after that for obvious reasons.
So it did change my life forever. But it also
you know, after her being baptist baptized, I'll never forget
(19:21):
that day in my life. That was a day that
just stood out to me and I felt that, you know,
God was talking to me that day. It just was
a really strange thing to go through.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And what was he saying.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
He was saying, to let this go. He was saying,
don't harbor any guilt. It wasn't my fault. You know,
I was a child I and I didn't rescue him.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I panicked, But you didn't have the ability to rescue him, right,
I didn't, So it can't be your fault.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Right, And I and I it took a long time
to realize that it wasn't my fault. And but you know,
just to let it go. I mean just to say
goodbye to him, to pray for him, and I don't know.
It was just a really difficult thing to go through.
(20:19):
And being a paramedic, I've seen people drown and been
on the other side of it too. It was just
a really strange day.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I want you to take all those the physical things
and seeing someone lose their life obviously very potent. Scripture
says do not fear those that can kill the flesh,
but those that can kill the spirit. And I want
you to think about all those people that are durrounding
spiritually every single day because no one wants to do
anything about it. They're embarrassed to share their faith or
whatever it might be. And the situation you're describing is
(20:53):
that you immediately grew into a person who said, you
know what, I want to know what to do, became
a paramedic. What you witnessed with your daughter was you know,
the symbolism of baptism is the death and the burial
and the resurrection as they come up out of the water.
And I think all of that imagery is very powerful,
(21:16):
but what you do with it is up to you.
You know, the same knife you may use for a tracheotomy,
an emergency tracheotomy is the is a knife that could
be used to kill somebody. And to not put value
positive or negative on these things, the water, the knife,
any of these things, but to see them as proper
(21:37):
usage and improper usage. And what you got. You've got
to see both in the same body of water, and
you got to see both sides of the beauty of
that water and the power of that water in the
sense of that it could take a life, but to
dwell on it or somehow let it weigh you down
(21:58):
when it's obviously been a you know, a positive or
productive in your life, piece of your life, because you've
taken it and said I'm going to do something good
with it. You have to let You have to let
the power of that lake or the mystery of that
lake go away. But you don't have to forget what
took place there. You don't forget what you learned there.
You don't have to forget the life. But you couldn't
(22:20):
do anything. And guilt is irrelevant, It doesn't mean anything.
It has no benefit in this particular case. And I
think that you should enjoy the beauty of what your
daughter went through and that that should be a significant
part of your life, equally as significant as the death
that you witnessed, because if you really believe what it
(22:41):
says in scripture, it says that the fear is not
in the flesh being lost, but the spirit being lost.
And so you were able to sit there and watch
your daughter come into a new life in Christ. And
that's a very powerful and wonderful thing. I'm sorry that
you went through that experience, but it's obvious that it
has done something and meant something in a way that
(23:04):
has become very, very productive in your life that glorifies God.
The other gives the enemy total Foothold Dale, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Hello Jesus, Hi Dale. I'm the first time caller I
have listened to for quite some time.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Well, welcome, How can I help you?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I was married to who to whom I perceived as
my actually my soulmate at a young age. I was
actually twenty and she was she's eighteen. We were blessed
(23:52):
with them with my with a daughter and actually and
then to other sons after that. Married for fourteen years
and worked so hard to build a good life and
(24:16):
all my plans for the future and all all the
plans that I thought God had and sore for me
were there, and it was probably, I mean, the most
happiest time of my life. And I had was fairly
(24:40):
successful in the field that I was in at the time.
I actually put my wife, my ex wife never worked
because we wanted her to be with the children as
much as possible and daily.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I hate to rush you, but because of time, is
there question?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, she's been divorced. She she she had, she committed
an adultery, had an affair on me for a year
and when I found this out, it broke me more
than than I mean. I've never been able to get
over this. And this is four years ago now and
(25:25):
it's still like it was yesterday. Will the pain ever stopped?
I mean, I have to watch another man race my children. Mhm,
how does someone well, I still have yet to know.
I do not know how to deal with this.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Jale, hold on tight. I have some thoughts for you.
Just after this break, we were talking with Dale.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Dale.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You're still there, Yes, I am, okay. So you said
that this woman you felt was your soulmate and you
get married young, you have children, she has an affair
and now she's with someone else and they're raising your children.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Yeah, she she she married the man that she was
in an affair with and they actually have a child
now together.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And do you have it?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Seems that all I do is I'll live for I
see my children every two weeks. That's what you know.
They that's that's what they said that I mean, that's
all I could do.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Dale, Do you drink it?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
All I did? I did?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
But you're cleaning sober now?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You're cleaning sober now?
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Not quite?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Not quite? And what does not quite mean?
Speaker 4 (26:56):
There are times when I when I would do anything
to kill the pang.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You know that that's not productive and it won't help
you see those children.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
As absolutely, and I am a Christian and but and
I know that that it's not the right thing.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Are you drinking today at all?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
No? I'm not.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Okay. Good, that's a good start, so Dale, when it
when it comes to relationships, you get two people. Obviously,
you both have a say, and you both can take
the You know, you can either positively move in one
direction together or you can move in two different directions.
Chances are if we parsed your whole relationship, when we
(27:47):
looked back, there was a time when you saw signs
of maybe she not being the right one. Then people
bring children into the equation all of that. We don't
have time for that. But what I do want to
tell you is that if you live in the bowl
of just staring at that circumstance she's married and she's
moved on, you won't be able to dig yourself out
(28:07):
at all. If you get to a place where you're
bettering yourself, you're not getting into the hoots, you're not drinking,
you're being productive, and you're finding ways to I would
encourage you to help others, And there's programs for people
that have been cheated on and things like that that
you can go into and talk and find out the
(28:27):
things that people have gone through and how they've pushed
themselves through it. Prayer and church and all these things
play a part of all this. Then you can move
forward yourself and find that happiness or a partner in life.
But if you're going to focus on the past, on
the program a lot of times, and I know pain
is difficult to get through, but there's a limit. There's
(28:50):
a certain amount of pain that comes from the experience,
and then the rest is you putting it on yourself.
And I like in the past to driving and when
you're driving, you have a rearview mirror, but you use
the rearview mirror only to move forward right to change lanes,
to make sure that you're driving safely. But you would
never drive staring in the rearview mirror, wouldn't you, Because
(29:14):
if you just stared at the rearview mirror, you'd crash
right absolutely, And that's what you're doing right now. You're
driving staring in the rearview mirror.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
So and I don't want to I want to move forward,
I really do.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So today you need to start and actually have a process,
whether it's setting up time to go to church and
be constructive there. You need to find a charity or
something where you can put your time into helping others,
not wallowing in your own pain. And you need to
dedicate yourself to those things and continue to build up
your wants and desires in life and the things that
(29:51):
make you you dale so that you'll be attractive to somebody.
But somebody who's wallowing, who's boozing it up, is not
going to be attractive to any woman that's gonna be
good for you. You gotta clean yourself up. Your daddy,
and you're a child to God, and you gotta clean
yourself up. And then women will come and you'll build
(30:16):
your life and fulfill it by yourself, and then you'll
be ready for another partner. But to sit in the
pain isn't gonna help. And that's the best I can
tell you. It's about you applying that now. Kf I
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