Jesus Christ Show | Hour 2 [11/19]

Jesus Christ Show | Hour 2 [11/19]

Episode Transcript

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You're listening to KFI A six fortyon demand. Jeff, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Hia, Jeff, how can I help you? Hey,
Jesus, nice talking to you.I've fallen in love with a non
Christian. We've been together for aboutsix years, and I guess if I

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were going to ask the question pointblank to maintain my relationship with God,
should I walk in to the myhouse today and break up with her?
Or is this a relationship that couldsomehow work as a Christian? Yes,
of course it can work. There'sI think a lot of people want to

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jump to the conclusion that it's impossible. It's not. It's it can be
incredibly difficult in ways that you cannoteven imagine, and they usually creep up
pretty quickly after marriage. Could beeven more difficult with children. Children Bringing
children into the equation makes it exponentiallymore difficult. So is that a goal?

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I mean, six years into arelationship, obviously you're a little slow
on the Yeah, why do youthink that is? I think I just
I think both of us have probablyhad a few a little bit of bad
luck in the past, and that'smore of it than anything that we've just
been slow. And you know what, time just flies. It seems like

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yesterday. So do you know whatbad luck in relationships actually is called?
No, I'd love to know foolishness. Foolishness okay, okay, And so
really, unless someone outright lies toyou and misrepresents who they are as a
human being, then the foolishness wason the two of you somewhere. So

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if she's had bad people in herlife, it's because she's chose to.
And if you've had bad people inyour life, it's because you've chosen.
This one's working out really nice,and that's why, you know. But
I've still got that little gunshy well, and that issue of faith is still
kind of bothers me a little bit. But you stick around, you waste

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her time and yours six years ofit so far exactly. But I again,
I just don't want to give thisup. It's just too good,
okay, because I mean, it'sit's it's really a tiny verse. Do
not be bound together with unbelievers?For what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness?

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Or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has christ with bail?
Or what has the believer in commonwith an unbeliever. So really,
the the verses that talk about this, and often it can be misconstrued,
Really, the concept of being equallyyoked is being bound to an oxen of

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same strength and purpose and focus.Because if you have two oxen and one
is smaller, then you can't plowstraight. One's either going to be weaker
and pull it down, or ifthey are both strong and wanting to go

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in different directions, they're going tobe pulling the plow in different directions.
That's the visual and the difficulty thereis. You imagine trying to build a
house with another carpenter and you believein using a ruler, and they believe
in organic measurement. Well, Ilike to guess and just eyeball it.

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That seems like well, usually theperson with a ruler starts making the excuses.
Well, I'll just double check theirwork and I'll go over there.
It ends up not working in manymany ways. It's not impossible. I
don't like when people say it's impossible. It can be difficult, and in
relationships that usually are selfish to beginwith, a lot of people go into

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relationships thinking I just want somebody tobe able to cheer for me or watch
me do what I do, andto eat the things I like to eat,
and go to the places I liketo eat with me, And that's
not really a relationship. So inthis case they can be quite difficult.
You have to remove a lot ofselflessness, which is what you should be

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doing in any relationship. But nowyou're yielding not only to your partner,
you're yielding to a whole different mindset. So you may say, well,
I would do anything for her,but then when she wants to do something
that it comes from whatever her faithis or lack thereof, Now you're going,
oh, well, I can't participatein that because that's not my faith.

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Right it is a thought that overa lifetime that somebody may come into
my faith. Is that a prettypoor Uh well you may go into hers.
Okay, that not Jesus I promisewill never happen. Okay, well

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I'm just saying that. Well thatthen then why risk it. Here's the
thing I get love. It's abeautiful thing. I get connection and and
kinetic response and the sparks that happen, I get chemistry. All of that.
I created it. It has awonderful place I just think people make

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excuses to do the wrong thing somuch because sometimes it's easier or convenient because
it's right now. And that's notto say that you guys don't have something
wonderful, but if you really honestlygo into it, sitting down and talking
it out, how are we goingto raise the kids your faith or mine?

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When we come to a life problemdeals with X, Y and Z.
I've had somebody call the program nottoo long ago stating that married to
his wife and they have different views, and that they've always gotten long and
it's always worked out well. They'vegot four kids or three kids, and

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we're having a fourth and she wasdone. She didn't want kids anymore,
and she wanted to get an abortion, which is a total, totally against
He never saw it coming. Wasn'tsomething that had come up. It wasn't
against her worldview, but it wasagainst his. And quite frankly, he
called from California. It's not inhis favor, it's his business, but

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not really so legally it was onin her situation. Was she had the
ability to make the decision, andthat's not something somebody might think about down
the line. And these are thetypes of things you need to ask,
Jeff and really make sure that it'sthat it's what you want, because these

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things will arise and you may findyourself in a situation and you have to
go into that going okay, aslong as you know, okay, this
may happen and that's that may bethe way it goes down, and you
may have to go with the flow, not her going with the flow.
John, Welcome to Jesus Christ.Show how you doing good? John?

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How can I help you? Yes, it's always wondering about in Jeremiah how
it says before I formed THEE inthe belly, I knew THEE. And
I'm wondering if that is speaking ofthe pre existence, and also what it
means in other sheep I have whichare not of this fold them I must

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visit one fold and one shepherd.If you had visited the Americas, well,
obviously someone's knocking at your door thesedays, aren't they sound? That's
that's definite missionary talk there, Okay. First and foremost, No, Jeremiah
one to five is speaking to God'sforeknowledge, not that the soul existed.

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And you can find this out becausethere's other scriptures that would shed more light
on this, and the best thingto do when you come across a scripture
that might, you know, bea little confusing, is to let the
rest of scripture define what it meansin context. For instance, John eight
twenty three says, and this isme speaking here, said unto them,

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ye are from beneath the earth.I am from above heaven. Ye are
of this world. I am notof this world. So if if everyone
was, if there was pre existentsouls, then that wouldn't be true that
I was from above and you arefrom this world. That would be referring
back to you know that I wasfrom heaven and that they were not from

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heaven. In that context speaking toman, so that there's many verses one
Corinthians fifteen forty five through forty seven. I would also recommend, and then
Zechariah twelve one I would recommend aswell. Ecclesiastes twelve seven says, then
shall the dust return to the earthas it was, and the spirit shall
return unto God who gave it alot of groups will point to that and

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say, look see now it returnsto God. Therefore it came from above,
and that this soul has been preexistent. It's not true. Ecclesiastes
is very clear to point out thatfrom the dust is where you came on
the earth. But the spirit willreturn to God who gave the spirit,
not who lived with the spirit foreverand ever and ever or anything like that.

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Your your second concern was what Jeremiahand that Jeremiah and then the other
one was dealing with about the otherfold, right, the shape of a
different fold that's speaking to and incontext, if you read it in context,
it's actually speaking about Jews and Gentiles. So the one fold is Jews,

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speaking of the Jews, and thesecond fold is the Gentiles. It's
not about visiting the Americas or anythinglike that. Sam, Welcome to Jesus
Christio. Hello, how are youdoing. I'm well Sam, what's going
on? Well, my mother passedaway about four years ago and she's from

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Illinois and she's like Methodist, andI think it is with Jesus baptized.
But okay, he had five kidsand wasn't real active in the church because
my father passed away at seven,I would say him, and she lived
her life totally, you know,unconditional for all her kids. Okay.

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I was just you know, wantingto make sure that that you know,
I don't know how that balance goesto going in there and say I got
a mother in law who's a RomanCatholic and she goes into church. I
he's hunting the time clock. Butit shall come home and and not not
really act upon anything, whereas likemy mom would give everything. You know,

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well, it's not it's not arace, and it's not that type
of game. And I know thata lot of the different denominations go back
and forth with one another, asif you know, there's some sort of
contest. And wow, look howgood I am, or look at least
I can pretend I'm good, orlook how much time I spend in church
or anything. Put all that stuffaside for a moment, Sam, and
I want you to think about,you know, who who your mother was,

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and the claims that she made withher life, and trust God to
fill in any gaps that can befilled in. There are people that are
baptized and they live their life forGod, and yet they struggle with the
church or these types of things.Yet they're still very devout in their own

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way. And you're not going tofind a perfect Christian. But you have
to trust God. In these situationsyou can't know. But there's no reason.
There's nothing that stands out in thestory that you shared with us that
stands out and says that your momis anywhere but in heaven. You know
that your mom is. To thinkthat your mom is not somehow with God,

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it doesn't make sense to me.So be at peace with that.
I know that this is a questionthat comes up every now and again,
Sam, someone will call in andsay, oh, family member never really
talked about God, or I don'tknow if they really meant it, or
maybe they were in church all thetime, whatever it might be. You

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can't always know. I can assumebased on things that they said. And
if you know that they gave theirlife to Christ, and they followed me,
and they followed my word and allthose things, then you can pretty
safely say, well, that seemedto be the balance of their life.
That seems to be what they followedand the focus of their life. But

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to sit there and worry about itat this point it will do you no
good. Just trust that God gaveevery opportunity, as he does for everyone,
the best opportunity possible to make adecision for God to live for God
and that in that decision, itwas honored with a ticket to heaven.

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As they say, really it's aboutit's not about ignorance, and people get
caught up in that. And Iknow it's really easy to make Christianity,
Christianity out to be the bad guy, like it's trying to exclude everybody,
but it's not. As a matterof fact, it's really allowing people to
do they're bidding. If they don'twant to be with God for seventy years

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on this planet, they don't haveto be with God for eternity. But
if someone seeks so, one genuinelyseeks, then they'll find. And I
say that when I knock on yourheart and that door of your heart,
all I ask is that you openit. Yvett, Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show. Hi you Vet youthere? Oh Hi, yeah, I'm

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sorry, there's an ambulance coming by. I'm like, well, anyway,
my question is regarding cremation. Mymom has like six burial plots for us,
and I think she's gonna just thinkthat at the end of our you
know, life here, we're goingto be all wrapped up and all neatly
stacked together and I'm kind of notfeeling that, and I was wondering,

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is there is there a biblical there'ssomething biblical that's against cremation. Like now,
our Jewish brothers and sisters have concernsabout cremation, but Christians do not.
There is nothing in the Christian theologythat would have a problem. The

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truth of the matter, and Idon't mean to get gross on this,
but the physiological reality is that allbodies with long enough time are going to
look like they were cremated anyways,So there's no I think there's a comfort
level for some people and they feelbetter when a body is buried. I

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think it's part of the grieving processand people feel like, well, they're
still right there, they're just notmoving anymore or doing anything. But the
honest to goodness reality is they're decomposing. They're breaking down to their simplest form,
and that'll continue to go on fora long period of time. So

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if you feel like getting cremated,so be it. There's there's nothing.
So there's nothing biblically nothing, becausefor a while it didn't. The Catholics
also have a well, there aredifferent there's a different doctrine that people will
you know, adhere to And that'sreally religionists. That's nothing biblical that's going

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to say, hey, this willcause a problem because ashes to ashes,
dust to dust from the earth.You came to the earth, you will
return. There's nothing. There's noproblem with the concept of cremation. There's
people say, well what about youknow, there's different people that have different
beliefs about the rapture and what aboutbeing raised from the God created you.

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God's not going to go oh no, now the pieces are scattered. How
am I ever going to put thatback together? Does anybody have the original
instructions? That's just not how itworks. So you're fine. If it's
a personal choice, and it's becominga more popular choice actually these days,
then so be it. That's yourchoice. Cool, nothing too soon,

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I hope, Oh no, hopefullynot. Okay, then you might want
to write it down somewhere then forsay keeping the family. And of course
my mother has a fit, butI'm like, well, respect that and
ask her what her concerns are.And maybe there's something there, but I
think there We talked about this recentlytoo, the concept of ghosts came up

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and all of this and I willtell you more than anything else I talk
about on the air. When Italk about ghosts and that that ghosts don't
fit into the theological structure of Christianity, people light up. They just light
up. And I think that thereis a there's an intense desire to not
make things be over. Now,the skeptic could look and say, well,

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that's all of religion is looking fora do over or an everlasting or
any of these things as well,and that's that's a very legitimate point.
But likewise, or similarly, humansare always looking for one more minute,
kind of that, you know,cuddling in the morning when you've got to
go to work and it's five moreminutes, five more minutes, let's just

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cuttle five more minutes. Everybody's lookingto squeeze a little more life out of
life. And when someone passes,I think there's comfort both in the concept
of ghosts and all of that,but there's also comfort in the fact that
the body's right there. It's rightthere, and you can go visit it,
but it's not it's no more importantthere than the headstone is, or

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the grass or the tree next toit, or they're all the same thing.
At this point, and I thinksometimes there's a different comfort and going,
well, the body's there, we'reall going to be together, but
you're not, and you're all goingto be together in a rotting state.
So a rotting state it's not goingto be different from burnstate, which is

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a rapid a rapid process of decomposition. So it's the same same. It's
an emotional thing. So if yourmom has emotional issues with it, then
try and be sensitive to that andask her, you know, what her
concerns are and why. But really, biblically, there's there's nothing to it.

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There's really there's no offense to God. If the body's burned or if
the body's buried, ultimately they returnedto the ground. Well, it might
have been that I mentioned maybe puttingme in Tuesday's trash might be agger option
was, well, now you knowwhy you upset your mother, because because

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you are a dung disturber and youwere poking at her, why would you
try and upset her? No,I didn't do that intentionally. It was
just kind of like because I justfeel I mean, they're just ashes.
I don't it's just not truly me. Yeah, but I think she just
told your mother that you wanted tobe buried in a garbage can, and

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you didn't expect her to have anysort of response. I think her,
but it was the whole. Ithink it was the whole. Being cremated
things was what sets her off.And she doesn't want any of us to
be cremated, and I think,I don't know. I guess I should
ask her why that is and wherethat comes from. And because for her

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to just, you know, automaticallybuy six burial plots, I mean,
was your mom a pretty controlling person. Probably yeah, I'd say probably too.
That may just be her thing,and she whenever somebody And the reason

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why I ask is because your mom'snot here to defend herself for to me
her own argument. But whenever somebodytries to control a situation, that means
they have built expectations and that expectationis now the standard in which they're trying
to have everything fall into that expectation, and when something goes awry or something
goes in a different you know,a lot of times parents are upset that

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their children are homosexual, not becausethey're homosexual, but because in their head
they were thinking it was going tobe a certain way, and this is
what the child was going to beand they were going to grow up and
this is what and that there wasthis pattern and it's because of their expectations.
They're let down, not because ofthe individual or the person, I
would hope and likewise, you're lettingher down. Not because you're letting her

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down, but because she had anexpectation or expectation is you know, because
what parent is buying plots for theirkids? Yeah, because you're not going
to be part of that family inthe same way. In the same sense,
every family moves away, every familystarts a new branch. That's kind
of the way things work. Soyou borrow, you bury the whole tree

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in one place. It's not goingto work. So I'm thinking, what
about our children and our spouses andour like ar exactly exactly what with them?
But that's the that's the mentality,is controlling her family and the structure
of her family. People do thisall the time. Well we have to
go visit our family for Christmas,and well what does that mean, Well,

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go visit the parents. Well,if that's the way things always work,
then your parents would be visiting theirparents and you wouldn't have anybody to
visit with. There's people don't understandthe cycle. They only understand that that
little branch that they've created, andthey try and hold onto that branch.
But the cycle is not built thatway. It's built to go off and

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to explore and to do your owntraditions and to do those things. And
there are times where mother or fathercan be very controlling or they think,
well, no, this is theexpectation, because this is how I thought
it was always going to be,not ever factoring in that the children that
you have are going to be independenthuman beings with their own ideas, their

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own wants, their own desires,and own thoughts of how things should be
themselves. So I think maybe yourmom's plan is being thwarted a little bit,
and she's upset about that. Idon't think she thinks you're going to
hell, or that God's not goingto be able to find you going oh
my gosh, or it's going toget mixed with dirt and he's going to

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recreate you and you're going to behalf dirt monster and half human, or
there's nothing like that. I don'tthink she's worrying about that. I think
she's she's going. That's not theway I set this up. Honey,
does she have a nickname for you? Well, she's going to make one
up after this, I'm sure.But just try I think, since you

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already know what you want to do, helping your mom understand it and being
kind to her and allowing her todigest it properly, it's probably a good
thing. Try not to, inmy humble advice, try not to use
the terms like trash can or thingslike that. Maybe we'll we'll keep her

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out of that mindset. But theologicallyyou're Aokayvett. If you want to get
cremated, Yeah, they see,And then I will bloom forever, reaching
towards the sky, pointing to myfinal destination, which is heaven. And
maybe that would that would rock herboat a lot less, Okay, and

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now go live long and prosper a. Thank you, you're welcome, Thanks
for calling you, Vet. Thatis a thing that there's a couple other
things going on there. Obviously,the theology question is the simple one.
There's nothing specific that would pertain toChristians about cremation. But there's obviously the

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little spin there with the mom buyingthe plots and wanting everything to be a
certain way, and uh, youknow, often parents can be controlling that
way. They even want to whensomebody's getting to the point where they're planning
where you're gonna be when you're dead, that's a little bit that's a little
bit controlling. On one side,it could be sweet that they're thinking ahead

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and wanting to make sure their familyis together. But families branch it's the
way they do. Again, ifreally the families were going to be together,
then your parents would be buried withtheir parents, you know. And
then that if you have siblings nowand they have kids now, then they're
gonna be buried togat. It justdoesn't make sense. It's not the way
things work. Families do split,they branch out. It's the way it

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works, and understanding that can bea very powerful thing. There's say in
big families, I'm telling you,there's always a point where everyone's getting together
all the time for all the holidays, and all of a sudden people have
kids and husbands and wives and theygrow and then it's like, well they're
not showing up, they're not cominganymore because they're creating their own traditions and

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branch the same way your family didoriginally. If you don't allow that,
then it gets perverted or muted ormassive. You have to have everybody over
and it just becomes huge. AndI know that's strange because it means for
difference, but that's how people growand commit to their own self and the

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vision of who they are. Poppy, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Hi, how are you Poppy?Good? Hey, I have a theology
question. Sure, shoot, I'ma little confused on the genealogy of Jesus.
I'm totally I love to talk topeople about this and I'm trying to

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embrace the knowledge more and more.Eleven is to want to know more.
And it says that in scripture he'sdefendant up David. It thinks Joseph was
the line of David and not Mary. But the biological father of Jesus is

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God. Yeah, that's one wayof putting it. Yeah. The this
this caused a lot of confusion becausepeople see that the reference of the genealogy
in Matthew Matthew one and then Lukethree. People assume this causes a couple
of different problems. One people assumethey're both of Joseph and they're not.

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Also, people assume when they assumethat they're both of Joseph, they they
go, well, there's similarities,yet there's differences, and it causes confusion.
So let's break this down first.In Luke three, that is an
actual genealogy of the maternal side ofMary, not the paternal side of my

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foster father Joseph. So if youlook through it, you'll see that there
are differences, but there are similarities. Now, both of those trace back
to David. They do it throughtwo different sons, but they both trace
back to David. The people tendto get confused because in Luke three there's
the term, as was supposed theson of Joseph, but it's not saying

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that it is the lineage of Joseph. Also, Luke is referred to as
the Gospel for women, and there'scertain things about this particular lineage that points
to the fact that it's Mary's lineageand not Joseph's lineage. So in Luke,
if you look at the maternal lineage, it takes it takes my line

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back to David. No problem,great, thank you, you're very very
welcome. Yeah, so go takea look at those. They often get
confused and one of the reasons isthat these two geneologies have similar names in
them. And this is what's kindof interesting, based on the distance of
time. If you saw, forinstance, if you were reading two modern

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day lineages and you went through andhad the name Mary, had the name
Jason, or you're going through allthese names that are fairly common names,
you wouldn't think twice about it.But since you're looking at Zerubable, you're
going, oh, well, thatcan that has to be the same guy.
But no, back then that wasa more common name, and therefore

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you would see it like having anuncle Bob. You know, it seems
everyone has an uncle Bob, right, So if you had two lineages and
they both had an uncle Bob inthem, you wouldn't naturally, you wouldn't
normally assume that they're both the sameguy, because both the maternal and the
paternal side can have a Robert inthere, and so you see it.

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So people get confused because those namesseems so rare upon looking at them now,
but really there were fairly common namesat the time, and so they
get kind of tossed into it,and the assumption is they're the exact same
lineage. And they're not. Matthewis tracing the lineage back through the foster

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father Joseph, and Luke is tracingthe lineage back to through my mother's family
line to show that both both pointto the line of David. And some
will go further to say, wellone is like the official line. That
shows the official line, and thenthis shows, you know, the the

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fleshly line, to show that thisis like the official line as by God,
that shows that it goes to David. And this is even my flesh
line has a lineage to David aswell, so the Messiah had to have.
So that's why people see those alittle differently at times and get a
little get a little confused. KFIA M six forty on demand