September 15, 2024 • 30 mins
Will abusive mom be in heaven
Is there one correct version of the Bible
Is it disrepectful to say why to God
Is there one correct version of the Bible
Is it disrepectful to say why to God
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. Sandy,
Welcome to the Jesus Christian.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
My mother was really abusive to me all my life,
but I forgave her and I got so I could
understand her problems. And in fact, when she died, I
was there holding her hand, telling her everything was going
to be okay and everything. But I don't know if
she had a deathbed conversion or not. But the Bible says,
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you know, when we go to heaven, we'll all be
regathered and everything. And I don't want to be with
her while I die. I don't want to be with
her when I'm in heaven.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Do I have to be.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
With her when I'm in heaven? Am I going to
be there with her?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, you don't know if she's there for one, but
for two. Scripture says there is going to be no
tears in heaven. You're not going to be thinking this way.
That's a very human, very earthly way to think about things.
It's not going to be about your interactions with other
human beings the same way as it is. Everybody thinks
of heaven as kind of well, it's just like Earth.
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But you don't get hurt or you don't die, or
you don't and that's not what it's about. It's about
having communion, about being reunited with your maker. And you're
not going to be focusing on the same things that
you focus on here on earth, and so those things
won't matter, and if they do, there's there's something wrong
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with where your heart's at now. And it doesn't mean
that I like that you forgave her for the reasons
indifferent than what some people might say, because I want
you to release it, because I don't want it to
be a burden in your life. I don't want you know,
she's the one who brought that ugliness. You don't want
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to bring ugliness on yourself by being unforgiving, so you
release that. But that doesn't mean that you, you know,
had to be buddies with her or anything. It's very
sweet that you were with her and that you were
able to have that time of peace with her prior
to her dying. But it's Heaven is not what you
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think it is. It's not that you're it's not just
one big party. You're married to me, and that's you being,
that's you going and being in heaven and being with God.
That's the important thing. It's focusing on God, not your family,
not any of those. It's it's going to be solely
to be reunited with your Maker. So it's going to
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be very different from what a lot of people expect.
The beauty of it's going to be there, but it's
going to be way, way bigger, way more beautiful, and
more intense than you could possibly imagine. But the last
thing you'll be thinking about is your mother. In that context.
It sounds strange, but that just it's not something that
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will cross your mind. It will not inhabit your brain
at all in heaven.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Great, well, thank you very much, You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I know the fear is for many that being in
heaven and you know, going through that process of dying
and being reunited, is that it's almost like, you know,
the whole concept of seeing you on the other side
or we'll hang out when I get there. I don't
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want you to be in that mentality because that's not
the purpose of heaven. It's a regathering, absolutely, and it
is a reunion of the saints, and it's a beautiful thing,
but it's not about having what you had here there.
If you get in that mentality. You missed the entire
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point of heaven. It's not just about a place you
can't die. It's not just about a place that doesn't
have burglaries, robberies and rapes. It's there's more to it
than that. It's the absence of those things because you
are in the fulfillment of hope. You're in the presence
of God, You're in the presence of your Maker. You're
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finally home being the God of creation. And imagine if
you see those wonderful pictures of a servicemen hugging, kissing,
being held, service women being enraptured and wrapped up by
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family and friends, and that homecoming, that the imagery of
a homecoming and the intensity of the grasp that is
I never want to let you go because I never
want you to be gone. Is this moment that almost
no one wants to end. That is heaven. It is
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a home coming like no other homecoming. And it's not
about what happens after the hug. It's not about what
happens after that embrace, after the weeping and the joyous embrace.
Heaven is that internal, eternal embrace forever and ever and ever.
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The intensity of that homecoming moment. So if you could
imagine having that intense moment, having your senses only focused
on that moment, and someone tell you, oh, what was
the guy behind you wearing? I don't know. I was there.
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I was in that moment. My eyes were shut tight
with the intensity of joy. Well, in heaven, you are
going to be in that law embrace with the Father
that if anyone asked you, hey, what was that beef
you had with so and so? Or the ugliness that
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someone did to you, or whatever it was, you won't
know or care, because all those things are privations. They're
the absence of goodness, the absence of the presence of God,
the absence of God's will. And now you're standing in
the fullness of God's will. Now you're standing in the
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fullness of God's beauty, embraced and loved and accepted by it.
Nothing else matters, nothing else will even compare, nothing else
will hold a candle to it or even get your attention.
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And I know that they're big and important here, and
those kind of ugly things are indelible. But the cleansing
property of heaven is far beyond anything you can imagine here,
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and anything you've ever come in contact with.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
That.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You need to trust me when I say that all
of those experiences, all of the ugliness, all of the
sadness that you've experienced on this planet, the rough times,
the injustices, they will fall by the wayside, and they
will be as ash. With no substance or no bearing
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or no lock hold on your life at all, you
will only be in contact with the fulfillment of hope.
Every ugly thing will be gone as you stand before
your maker. Jeff, Welcome to the Jesus Christia.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Hello Jesus. Hi. I've been trying to learn a word,
but I'm not saying the King Dreams version. I'm reading
the contemptorary English version, okay. And most people are so
passionate that the King Dreams version is the only option.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
No, that's that's silliness. Actually, there's people that get kind
of it almost becomes cult like. Sometimes there are groups
that defend a particular version of scripture, and some are
better than others. And there are paraphrase bibles that aren't
great ways to study that are out that became kind
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of popular and people read them because they're kind of
flowery and they they sound more they read more like
a motivational book than they do scripture. So that sometimes
people like that, and that's okay in context. But if
you really want to study the Word of God, you
want to you probably want to have a couple of
versions handy and and to have. And I don't want
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this to frighten you because but if you're really going
to study, to have lexicons and different things to do
word studies yourself to understand the words if you get
hung up on something. But there's great versions out there.
My producer Neil particularly likes to use the UH the
N A s B or the New American UH Bible,
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and that that New American Standard Bible is one that
he thinks is a nice uh strong translation. Some people
like the n I V and think thinks that's great.
There's there's arguments on all sides for these different things,
but there's going to be some personal preference in it
because of the way it reads. But the the King
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James is fine, and the King James, if that's it's
a fun, you know, a Bible to preach from because
of the you know, the old English and stuff. But
you just it's basically going to depend on what you're
trying to do. But a couple good Bible translations are
probably good to have, and a good study Bible that
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shows you cross referencing and things like that. Nothing wrong
with the King James or the New King James or
any of these things. But the people that get so
bent out of shape that this is the only true
word of God, things like that start to make me
feel that there's a problem because it almost becomes that
you're worshiping the book rather than getting the fulfillment from
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the words, which is what is the most important thing.
The words and the context is what's most important. Nelly,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Hey, I kind of his tate to say, Hi, Jesus,
I understand great what you're doing. I love it.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well, thank you, my dear. I'm glad you understand.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Okay. What I want to ask you was, does it
show any disrespect to God and Jesus to say why?
You know? Because sometimes we wonder, you know, like you
see suffering at nursing homes. Sure, and you say why
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is that to be that way?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
No, of course not, you know, in scripture it says,
and we use this a lot on the program. Test
all things hold fast to that which is true and good.
And it doesn't say test all things, and it's actually
examined all things except for God and all this. No,
it says test all things. Now it doesn't say tempt
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or test your God in that sense. But no, I
don't people and people ask all the time. And first Samuel,
chapter twenty three, verse four, David went to God with
prayer and got an answer. But since it, you know,
actually meant him, you know, going and dealing with something
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that could put him in danger, putting put his men
in danger. He went back, I said, just checking. Is
this what you want me to do? And it's it's
it's a matter of checking your own understanding. It's it's
hard to see ugly things and didn't know ugly things exist?
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But but no, only the only reason why you know
they're ugly. The only reason why you know that something's
sinful or dark or evil is because there's beauty of God.
That's you know that that Comparing contrast, there was an
old philosopher who used to say, uh, you used to
say that you can never that the world is always
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in a state of flux, that it's always changing. But
that doesn't make sense. It sounds profound at first, but
if something was always changing, you wouldn't know what was
changing because there was nothing not changing from which you
can compare it against. It's like being in a dream.
You only know it's a dream because you wake up.
If you were always in a dream, you wouldn't know
it was a dream.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Right, Well, that's what my husband is now. He hardly
knows most of the time, but you.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Do know, and so you can see the difference. There's
a difference between the sadness and the pain, and you
know that the only reason why that sadness and pain
is there is because you've had good times and wonderful
times and wonderful experiences, right yep. And you kind of
have to sit.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Back and also had experiences so you know that's life.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Right exactly, and you need to cherish those, my dear,
and just and just thank God for all of them
and the understanding therein. Okay, I know.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It's not disrespect wonder but you don't want to disrespect God.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
No, you don't turn away from God when something when
you don't see God in from in front of you,
it's because you moved from God, not God moved from you.
Nolly Sam, Welcome to Jesus CHRISTA yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Earlier you said that when when people die, their ultimate
goal is to be with God, and I understand that,
and you said that we wouldn't be with the people
in the same way that we are now with God.
And Sir, if if that's the way it is, if
I can't be with my wife like I am now,
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then I don't want to go to God. I just
want to not exist if I cannot be with my
wife for thirty years. I've told my wife that when
we die, we will sore the stars together. But if
we can't swere the half, I can't sore this to
hears with my wife that I don't want to see God,
and I mean that there is no existence for me
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without my wife. Sam.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
That's beautiful, But then your wife is your God. And
if that's the truth, then that's what you worship, and
that's and that's beautiful. That's beauty that you love your
wife that much. However, that's not what God is, that's
not what heaven's about, that's not what this life's about.
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And it is wonderful that you cherish your wife so much,
But if she becomes your God, then your God is temporal,
and that will die too, and that love will die
because it's only based on the physical things here and
the things you want here. If you can't see beyond that,
if you can't understand Sam that there's something more to
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your wife and the very thing that you love about
your wife comes from a creator, comes from something beyond
your wife, then you're going to have the limit of
that experience here. And that's it. And I think it's beautiful.
I think if it's beautiful, But if you want to
stamp your feet like a kid who's not getting his toy,
then you miss the beauty of life itself, which is
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more than your wife. The reason why you see those
things in your wife is because of where she's created.
It's not a out not seeing her. It will not
be about you being married to her. It'll be about
you both being married to the creator, so far more
beautiful than what you are experiencing now. It's the equivalent
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of a child saying, you know, to an adult, I'd
rather have chocolate than make love, Because to a kid,
chocolate is the most beautiful, most wonderful experience they can have.
But they're not an adult. They don't understand the beauty
of making love in marriage in an intense situation like
you do. Sam. You know what it's like to connect
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with your with your wife, with your woman and become
one flesh. A child doesn't. And so that to a child,
his toys are the most important thing. And I'm saying
that now. Sam, you're like that child, and you're saying
this is the most important thing. But in the scheme
of things, in the beauty of creation, in that moment,
while you are married with God, that you will understand
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your wife in a completely different way, and she will
understand you, and the beauty will be fulfilled and you
will dance in the stars. But it won't be the
way you think. It'll be beyond that, better than anything
you could choreograph and build here. So it's not about
being absent from.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Her, Sam, Sure you explain it very good, but it's
so hard to understand. I know, and I can never
explain it to my wife like that. For thirty years
I told her that we will hold the hands and
we'll walk. We'll walk with God. We will hold hand.
It will be with God. But that's not gonna be It's.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Gonna be better than that. That's your understanding, Sam, And
that's a beautiful way of saying it. And it's not
that that note is not in the song it is.
That's just the first couple notes of the song. You
haven't even seen the whole song yet, you haven't heard it.
And if that's the way you understand it, and if
that brings you the peace of understanding, wonderful. But that's
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just a taste that love. That quiver in your voice,
that intensity when you think about your wife is just
a taste.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Of the fulfillmental hold Outlook, now, I don't know what
to do tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Well you go and you love that woman like you
have every day, and you'd be an upstanding human being
and you and you look forward to the things that
you were learning just like you always have. You're not done, Sam,
And it's not done when you go to heaven. That's
the problem, is that mentality that that's the that's now,
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that's the finality of it all. That's not it. That's
a piece of it more each moment. Do you remember
when you first met your wife, Sam?
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, And you remember how wonderful it was and how
there were certain little things, the way she held her
mouth the way she laughed, the way she looked at you,
all those little things you thought were so wonderful, And
after all these years, each new one you collect each day,
all the new things you learn about her, and then
you fall deeper in love with the things that you've
known forever, and then you fall newly in love with
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her with the new things each Day't your relationship isn't stagnant.
You didn't just fall into that moment when you met her,
did you, Sam, and say, Okay, this is it right here?
This is all I want? Is this moment right here?
You grew with her, didn't you, And you grow with
her each day. Now. If you didn't do that, if
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you tried to stay in that moment, you'd miss all
the other moments that have made this relationship so grand
and so amazing. And that's all I'm saying. There are
more moments on top of this that add to it
in a way you can't even imagine that the very
love that you have for your wife, the very experiences
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you've had, have been a taste of the greater piece
of the pie, which is this union with God. And
it's okay that you don't understand it in its fullness.
But don't get on that place that it's all about
that one person, because you will meet that. The reason
you have those feelings, the reason you can even express them,
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are because God has given you that ability. And if
you slap the very face of the God that has
given that to you, you might as well slap hers too.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Sorry. I thank you for your time, sure, and you
have a great show and I love it.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Thank you, Thank you, Sam, And I hope you receive that.
It's that straddling heaven and Earth is one of the
most difficult things to do and to understand that this
isn't all there is and the things that you understand
here and the things that you taste and experience, but
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it's going to be better, not worse. If anything is
received today, I want it to be that about this
conversation about what's it going to be like in heaven
and are you going to be without your loved ones?
That's not the case. It's about something greater than that.
It's about something that adds to that in a way
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that you will have difficulty understanding, and you will dance
in the stars and you will be with those loved
ones who have committed themselves to God, and you will
have an experience like nothing that you can compare it to.
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All I can tell you is that everything you love,
every moment you've experienced that brought you joy, every climax
and the heat of passion in marriage, every experience, every flavor,
every scent, everything that you've ever head joy from is
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a touch of God, just a touch that if you
could imagine the full concentration of those moments, that's what
heaven is. That's the reuniting of yourself with God, the Maker,
your true mate, and that is a very powerful thing
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that doesn't negate the relationships on earth. Those relationships are
there for a purpose ordained by God. It fulfills them,
It doesn't push them aside. It combines them like nothing
you've ever experienced. But you can't make your mate your God.
You can't make your mate your everything. They are your
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sole focus on earth as a servant to them, to
love on them, to nurture them, to guide them and
be guided by them them. But if you make it
only about them, they die too. And they have fulfillment
with God as well in their faith and their beliefs.
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And if you really really love them, you never want
to hold them back from that experience. Marcus, Welcome to
the Jesus Christow.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Good morning people. People are always saying that, oh, you're
so lucky, you know, and how lucky you are, and
I want to say, no, it's like the Lord because
he sees I'm trying to better my life. I just wondering,
is seeing the lucky's okay?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You feel like you're lucky?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Because, to be.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Honest, I just bought a scratch off the other day
and that's what got me thinking this hard about this.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Oh boy, you bought a scratch off and did you win? Yes,
you sound upset about it because I wanted to say, yeah,
I'm so lucky.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
But it's like, no, I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
To Well, there's there's a there's an old saying that
luck favors the prepared, and think of it this way,
and and it's okay to use the vernacular. It's okay
to say lucky. I know some Christians go, no, that's
not luck, that's the providence of God and all you know,
that's it's okay to say luck. People know what you mean.
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But Marcus, really that's like saying, uh, somebody who gets
a you know, some sort of build it yourself furniture
piece from somewhere and reads the instructions and builds it well.
That it's luck Well, No, if you take the time
to read the instructions, if you take time to do
things right, it it favors the outcome. It doesn't promise
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it because there's a lot of on uh you know,
there's a lot of factors that are out of your
hands that can come and be involved. But I think
it's beautiful that whenever something does go your way, that
you use it as an opportunity to glorify God as
long as it's tastefully done. And isn't you know, because
that could get obnoxious to other people as well. They
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can go oh well yeah, well Marcus, and then they start,
you know, voting against you, they start hoping, you know,
for bad things.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Yeah, that's it's being cautious. I don't want to say,
oh my god, God has another crazy guy following him.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, it's a just yeah, you don't need I don't
need anymore.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
You're right there certain times and certain times just let
it go as it is, all right.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Thank you, you're very very rancom well, you know, and
and Marcus, I'm glad that you at least are giving
the glory to God and use the money for something good.
You know, put it away, invest, save, UH, be productive
with the money. Not easy come easy go say easy
come practical go. You know you get the money and UH.
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A nice way to divvy it up is uh, if
you are so lucky to be in a position, is
maybe a small percentage goes to something that has been
on your want list for a while, and then divvy
the rest up into a portion that goes to charity
and a portion that goes into savings. I think that
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that if you look at things like that, it gifts
like that in a practical way, they can be quite beneficial.
If you see stories about people that have won the lottery,
a lot of them are broke months years down the line,
because it's when you perceive and this is something that
you certainly don't want you to or anyone else Marcus
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to get in into your your your mental habit, and
that is, don't think that that luck or that things
that are always going your way. Don't bank on that
in that sense. Be appreciative of it, but always work
for things, always work. Don't look for the easy way out,
don't look for the you know, for cutting corners. It's
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it's best that you seek to always do things the
right way, the best way, and you know what, there
are wonderful rewards to doing things right. I'm sorry people
that that's the whole point of the Big Book. It's
the whole point of all this. It works. People. You
bash your head into the wall day in and day
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out saying, you know, how do I lose weight? Well,
the recipe has not changed for centuries, with very rare
exceptions to actual medical concerns. Eat less, move more, and
if you do it, it's like you know, some people say, oh,
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this diet didn't work. No, you know, if you lose
weight on a diet it works, may not be healthy
for you, and that's a whole different story. But if
you're losing weight, it works. The reason why it stops
is because you stop doing it or you stop working it.
And you know, groups like AA and the like are
always so smart to remind you that it only works
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when you work it, and that if you return and
you use best practices every single day in your life,
that you will have good things happen to you. Now,
that doesn't guarantee it, because other people are involved in
your life. I've known people that do so many wonderful
things and they have a lot of good that goes
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on in their life. However, they have very poor discerning
mechanisms when it comes to relationships. So the money that
they work hard for than they make, or the things
that they have that are nice are destroyed because they
bring ugly people into their life, for people that are
bad or destructive into their lives, and then it negates
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everything that you've done. There's a balance in those things
and all those things, and when someone does well, you
should be excited for them, and that is a wonderful thing.
But also know that that really those people that you
always go, oh, they're so lucky, they're not really lucky.
There are usually people that have worked for things or
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seeked to play by the rules and not welcome ugly
things in their life. Don't take chances, don't skip rules,
don't don't you know, squeeze by laws because oh, well
I'm in a hurry or I need to do this,
you know what. Those are the people that get tickets,
or those are the people that getting accidents, or those
you say, but I'm a good guy, I do this. Yeah,
But you're trying to cut corners, and each time you
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do that, you put yourself in potential harms way, and
life bites in the tail. Very rarely do you get
away with it for that long. Sooner or later it
catches up with you, and then and you end up heaping,
you know, things upon your life. And those are the
people say, gosh, when it rains, it pours, But you
know why it pours because you've been putting all that
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stuff off and it finally just gave way. It's more
like a shelf that you keep dumping things on, and
sooner or later it's going to give way and go gosh, man,
when one book falls, they all fall. No, it's because
you had fifty books on the same shelf and it
was meant for three. And that's therein lies the problem,
not luck at all. Thank you for joining me this Sunday.
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I hope you join me every Sunday, and remember these
words above all else. I am with you always, KFI
AM six forty on demand
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. Sandy,
Welcome to the Jesus Christian.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
My mother was really abusive to me all my life,
but I forgave her and I got so I could
understand her problems. And in fact, when she died, I
was there holding her hand, telling her everything was going
to be okay and everything. But I don't know if
she had a deathbed conversion or not. But the Bible says,
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you know, when we go to heaven, we'll all be
regathered and everything. And I don't want to be with
her while I die. I don't want to be with
her when I'm in heaven.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Do I have to be.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
With her when I'm in heaven? Am I going to
be there with her?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, you don't know if she's there for one, but
for two. Scripture says there is going to be no
tears in heaven. You're not going to be thinking this way.
That's a very human, very earthly way to think about things.
It's not going to be about your interactions with other
human beings the same way as it is. Everybody thinks
of heaven as kind of well, it's just like Earth.
(01:06):
But you don't get hurt or you don't die, or
you don't and that's not what it's about. It's about
having communion, about being reunited with your maker. And you're
not going to be focusing on the same things that
you focus on here on earth, and so those things
won't matter, and if they do, there's there's something wrong
(01:27):
with where your heart's at now. And it doesn't mean
that I like that you forgave her for the reasons
indifferent than what some people might say, because I want
you to release it, because I don't want it to
be a burden in your life. I don't want you know,
she's the one who brought that ugliness. You don't want
(01:49):
to bring ugliness on yourself by being unforgiving, so you
release that. But that doesn't mean that you, you know,
had to be buddies with her or anything. It's very
sweet that you were with her and that you were
able to have that time of peace with her prior
to her dying. But it's Heaven is not what you
(02:10):
think it is. It's not that you're it's not just
one big party. You're married to me, and that's you being,
that's you going and being in heaven and being with God.
That's the important thing. It's focusing on God, not your family,
not any of those. It's it's going to be solely
to be reunited with your Maker. So it's going to
(02:33):
be very different from what a lot of people expect.
The beauty of it's going to be there, but it's
going to be way, way bigger, way more beautiful, and
more intense than you could possibly imagine. But the last
thing you'll be thinking about is your mother. In that context.
It sounds strange, but that just it's not something that
(02:55):
will cross your mind. It will not inhabit your brain
at all in heaven.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Great, well, thank you very much, You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I know the fear is for many that being in
heaven and you know, going through that process of dying
and being reunited, is that it's almost like, you know,
the whole concept of seeing you on the other side
or we'll hang out when I get there. I don't
(03:26):
want you to be in that mentality because that's not
the purpose of heaven. It's a regathering, absolutely, and it
is a reunion of the saints, and it's a beautiful thing,
but it's not about having what you had here there.
If you get in that mentality. You missed the entire
(03:48):
point of heaven. It's not just about a place you
can't die. It's not just about a place that doesn't
have burglaries, robberies and rapes. It's there's more to it
than that. It's the absence of those things because you
are in the fulfillment of hope. You're in the presence
of God, You're in the presence of your Maker. You're
(04:12):
finally home being the God of creation. And imagine if
you see those wonderful pictures of a servicemen hugging, kissing,
being held, service women being enraptured and wrapped up by
(04:33):
family and friends, and that homecoming, that the imagery of
a homecoming and the intensity of the grasp that is
I never want to let you go because I never
want you to be gone. Is this moment that almost
no one wants to end. That is heaven. It is
(04:59):
a home coming like no other homecoming. And it's not
about what happens after the hug. It's not about what
happens after that embrace, after the weeping and the joyous embrace.
Heaven is that internal, eternal embrace forever and ever and ever.
(05:24):
The intensity of that homecoming moment. So if you could
imagine having that intense moment, having your senses only focused
on that moment, and someone tell you, oh, what was
the guy behind you wearing? I don't know. I was there.
(05:47):
I was in that moment. My eyes were shut tight
with the intensity of joy. Well, in heaven, you are
going to be in that law embrace with the Father
that if anyone asked you, hey, what was that beef
you had with so and so? Or the ugliness that
(06:08):
someone did to you, or whatever it was, you won't
know or care, because all those things are privations. They're
the absence of goodness, the absence of the presence of God,
the absence of God's will. And now you're standing in
the fullness of God's will. Now you're standing in the
(06:30):
fullness of God's beauty, embraced and loved and accepted by it.
Nothing else matters, nothing else will even compare, nothing else
will hold a candle to it or even get your attention.
(06:50):
And I know that they're big and important here, and
those kind of ugly things are indelible. But the cleansing
property of heaven is far beyond anything you can imagine here,
(07:11):
and anything you've ever come in contact with.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
That.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You need to trust me when I say that all
of those experiences, all of the ugliness, all of the
sadness that you've experienced on this planet, the rough times,
the injustices, they will fall by the wayside, and they
will be as ash. With no substance or no bearing
(07:37):
or no lock hold on your life at all, you
will only be in contact with the fulfillment of hope.
Every ugly thing will be gone as you stand before
your maker. Jeff, Welcome to the Jesus Christia.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Hello Jesus. Hi. I've been trying to learn a word,
but I'm not saying the King Dreams version. I'm reading
the contemptorary English version, okay. And most people are so
passionate that the King Dreams version is the only option.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
No, that's that's silliness. Actually, there's people that get kind
of it almost becomes cult like. Sometimes there are groups
that defend a particular version of scripture, and some are
better than others. And there are paraphrase bibles that aren't
great ways to study that are out that became kind
(08:45):
of popular and people read them because they're kind of
flowery and they they sound more they read more like
a motivational book than they do scripture. So that sometimes
people like that, and that's okay in context. But if
you really want to study the Word of God, you
want to you probably want to have a couple of
versions handy and and to have. And I don't want
(09:08):
this to frighten you because but if you're really going
to study, to have lexicons and different things to do
word studies yourself to understand the words if you get
hung up on something. But there's great versions out there.
My producer Neil particularly likes to use the UH the
N A s B or the New American UH Bible,
(09:31):
and that that New American Standard Bible is one that
he thinks is a nice uh strong translation. Some people
like the n I V and think thinks that's great.
There's there's arguments on all sides for these different things,
but there's going to be some personal preference in it
because of the way it reads. But the the King
(09:55):
James is fine, and the King James, if that's it's
a fun, you know, a Bible to preach from because
of the you know, the old English and stuff. But
you just it's basically going to depend on what you're
trying to do. But a couple good Bible translations are
probably good to have, and a good study Bible that
(10:15):
shows you cross referencing and things like that. Nothing wrong
with the King James or the New King James or
any of these things. But the people that get so
bent out of shape that this is the only true
word of God, things like that start to make me
feel that there's a problem because it almost becomes that
you're worshiping the book rather than getting the fulfillment from
(10:41):
the words, which is what is the most important thing.
The words and the context is what's most important. Nelly,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Hey, I kind of his tate to say, Hi, Jesus,
I understand great what you're doing. I love it.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well, thank you, my dear. I'm glad you understand.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Okay. What I want to ask you was, does it
show any disrespect to God and Jesus to say why?
You know? Because sometimes we wonder, you know, like you
see suffering at nursing homes. Sure, and you say why
(11:23):
is that to be that way?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
No, of course not, you know, in scripture it says,
and we use this a lot on the program. Test
all things hold fast to that which is true and good.
And it doesn't say test all things, and it's actually
examined all things except for God and all this. No,
it says test all things. Now it doesn't say tempt
(11:48):
or test your God in that sense. But no, I
don't people and people ask all the time. And first Samuel,
chapter twenty three, verse four, David went to God with
prayer and got an answer. But since it, you know,
actually meant him, you know, going and dealing with something
(12:10):
that could put him in danger, putting put his men
in danger. He went back, I said, just checking. Is
this what you want me to do? And it's it's
it's a matter of checking your own understanding. It's it's
hard to see ugly things and didn't know ugly things exist?
(12:30):
But but no, only the only reason why you know
they're ugly. The only reason why you know that something's
sinful or dark or evil is because there's beauty of God.
That's you know that that Comparing contrast, there was an
old philosopher who used to say, uh, you used to
say that you can never that the world is always
(12:52):
in a state of flux, that it's always changing. But
that doesn't make sense. It sounds profound at first, but
if something was always changing, you wouldn't know what was
changing because there was nothing not changing from which you
can compare it against. It's like being in a dream.
You only know it's a dream because you wake up.
If you were always in a dream, you wouldn't know
it was a dream.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Right, Well, that's what my husband is now. He hardly
knows most of the time, but you.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Do know, and so you can see the difference. There's
a difference between the sadness and the pain, and you
know that the only reason why that sadness and pain
is there is because you've had good times and wonderful
times and wonderful experiences, right yep. And you kind of
have to sit.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Back and also had experiences so you know that's life.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Right exactly, and you need to cherish those, my dear,
and just and just thank God for all of them
and the understanding therein. Okay, I know.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It's not disrespect wonder but you don't want to disrespect God.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
No, you don't turn away from God when something when
you don't see God in from in front of you,
it's because you moved from God, not God moved from you.
Nolly Sam, Welcome to Jesus CHRISTA yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Earlier you said that when when people die, their ultimate
goal is to be with God, and I understand that,
and you said that we wouldn't be with the people
in the same way that we are now with God.
And Sir, if if that's the way it is, if
I can't be with my wife like I am now,
(14:28):
then I don't want to go to God. I just
want to not exist if I cannot be with my
wife for thirty years. I've told my wife that when
we die, we will sore the stars together. But if
we can't swere the half, I can't sore this to
hears with my wife that I don't want to see God,
and I mean that there is no existence for me
(14:49):
without my wife. Sam.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
That's beautiful, But then your wife is your God. And
if that's the truth, then that's what you worship, and
that's and that's beautiful. That's beauty that you love your
wife that much. However, that's not what God is, that's
not what heaven's about, that's not what this life's about.
(15:10):
And it is wonderful that you cherish your wife so much,
But if she becomes your God, then your God is temporal,
and that will die too, and that love will die
because it's only based on the physical things here and
the things you want here. If you can't see beyond that,
if you can't understand Sam that there's something more to
(15:31):
your wife and the very thing that you love about
your wife comes from a creator, comes from something beyond
your wife, then you're going to have the limit of
that experience here. And that's it. And I think it's beautiful.
I think if it's beautiful, But if you want to
stamp your feet like a kid who's not getting his toy,
then you miss the beauty of life itself, which is
(15:54):
more than your wife. The reason why you see those
things in your wife is because of where she's created.
It's not a out not seeing her. It will not
be about you being married to her. It'll be about
you both being married to the creator, so far more
beautiful than what you are experiencing now. It's the equivalent
(16:14):
of a child saying, you know, to an adult, I'd
rather have chocolate than make love, Because to a kid,
chocolate is the most beautiful, most wonderful experience they can have.
But they're not an adult. They don't understand the beauty
of making love in marriage in an intense situation like
you do. Sam. You know what it's like to connect
(16:37):
with your with your wife, with your woman and become
one flesh. A child doesn't. And so that to a child,
his toys are the most important thing. And I'm saying
that now. Sam, you're like that child, and you're saying
this is the most important thing. But in the scheme
of things, in the beauty of creation, in that moment,
while you are married with God, that you will understand
(17:01):
your wife in a completely different way, and she will
understand you, and the beauty will be fulfilled and you
will dance in the stars. But it won't be the
way you think. It'll be beyond that, better than anything
you could choreograph and build here. So it's not about
being absent from.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Her, Sam, Sure you explain it very good, but it's
so hard to understand. I know, and I can never
explain it to my wife like that. For thirty years
I told her that we will hold the hands and
we'll walk. We'll walk with God. We will hold hand.
It will be with God. But that's not gonna be It's.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Gonna be better than that. That's your understanding, Sam, And
that's a beautiful way of saying it. And it's not
that that note is not in the song it is.
That's just the first couple notes of the song. You
haven't even seen the whole song yet, you haven't heard it.
And if that's the way you understand it, and if
that brings you the peace of understanding, wonderful. But that's
(18:03):
just a taste that love. That quiver in your voice,
that intensity when you think about your wife is just
a taste.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Of the fulfillmental hold Outlook, now, I don't know what
to do tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Well you go and you love that woman like you
have every day, and you'd be an upstanding human being
and you and you look forward to the things that
you were learning just like you always have. You're not done, Sam,
And it's not done when you go to heaven. That's
the problem, is that mentality that that's the that's now,
(18:36):
that's the finality of it all. That's not it. That's
a piece of it more each moment. Do you remember
when you first met your wife, Sam?
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, And you remember how wonderful it was and how
there were certain little things, the way she held her
mouth the way she laughed, the way she looked at you,
all those little things you thought were so wonderful, And
after all these years, each new one you collect each day,
all the new things you learn about her, and then
you fall deeper in love with the things that you've
known forever, and then you fall newly in love with
(19:09):
her with the new things each Day't your relationship isn't stagnant.
You didn't just fall into that moment when you met her,
did you, Sam, and say, Okay, this is it right here?
This is all I want? Is this moment right here?
You grew with her, didn't you, And you grow with
her each day. Now. If you didn't do that, if
(19:33):
you tried to stay in that moment, you'd miss all
the other moments that have made this relationship so grand
and so amazing. And that's all I'm saying. There are
more moments on top of this that add to it
in a way you can't even imagine that the very
love that you have for your wife, the very experiences
(19:54):
you've had, have been a taste of the greater piece
of the pie, which is this union with God. And
it's okay that you don't understand it in its fullness.
But don't get on that place that it's all about
that one person, because you will meet that. The reason
you have those feelings, the reason you can even express them,
(20:16):
are because God has given you that ability. And if
you slap the very face of the God that has
given that to you, you might as well slap hers too.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Sorry. I thank you for your time, sure, and you
have a great show and I love it.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Thank you, Thank you, Sam, And I hope you receive that.
It's that straddling heaven and Earth is one of the
most difficult things to do and to understand that this
isn't all there is and the things that you understand
here and the things that you taste and experience, but
(21:00):
it's going to be better, not worse. If anything is
received today, I want it to be that about this
conversation about what's it going to be like in heaven
and are you going to be without your loved ones?
That's not the case. It's about something greater than that.
It's about something that adds to that in a way
(21:21):
that you will have difficulty understanding, and you will dance
in the stars and you will be with those loved
ones who have committed themselves to God, and you will
have an experience like nothing that you can compare it to.
(21:41):
All I can tell you is that everything you love,
every moment you've experienced that brought you joy, every climax
and the heat of passion in marriage, every experience, every flavor,
every scent, everything that you've ever head joy from is
(22:03):
a touch of God, just a touch that if you
could imagine the full concentration of those moments, that's what
heaven is. That's the reuniting of yourself with God, the Maker,
your true mate, and that is a very powerful thing
(22:26):
that doesn't negate the relationships on earth. Those relationships are
there for a purpose ordained by God. It fulfills them,
It doesn't push them aside. It combines them like nothing
you've ever experienced. But you can't make your mate your God.
You can't make your mate your everything. They are your
(22:51):
sole focus on earth as a servant to them, to
love on them, to nurture them, to guide them and
be guided by them them. But if you make it
only about them, they die too. And they have fulfillment
with God as well in their faith and their beliefs.
(23:14):
And if you really really love them, you never want
to hold them back from that experience. Marcus, Welcome to
the Jesus Christow.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Good morning people. People are always saying that, oh, you're
so lucky, you know, and how lucky you are, and
I want to say, no, it's like the Lord because
he sees I'm trying to better my life. I just wondering,
is seeing the lucky's okay?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You feel like you're lucky?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Because, to be.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Honest, I just bought a scratch off the other day
and that's what got me thinking this hard about this.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Oh boy, you bought a scratch off and did you win? Yes,
you sound upset about it because I wanted to say, yeah,
I'm so lucky.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
But it's like, no, I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
To Well, there's there's a there's an old saying that
luck favors the prepared, and think of it this way,
and and it's okay to use the vernacular. It's okay
to say lucky. I know some Christians go, no, that's
not luck, that's the providence of God and all you know,
that's it's okay to say luck. People know what you mean.
(24:20):
But Marcus, really that's like saying, uh, somebody who gets
a you know, some sort of build it yourself furniture
piece from somewhere and reads the instructions and builds it well.
That it's luck Well, No, if you take the time
to read the instructions, if you take time to do
things right, it it favors the outcome. It doesn't promise
(24:42):
it because there's a lot of on uh you know,
there's a lot of factors that are out of your
hands that can come and be involved. But I think
it's beautiful that whenever something does go your way, that
you use it as an opportunity to glorify God as
long as it's tastefully done. And isn't you know, because
that could get obnoxious to other people as well. They
(25:03):
can go oh well yeah, well Marcus, and then they start,
you know, voting against you, they start hoping, you know,
for bad things.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Yeah, that's it's being cautious. I don't want to say,
oh my god, God has another crazy guy following him.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, it's a just yeah, you don't need I don't
need anymore.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
You're right there certain times and certain times just let
it go as it is, all right.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Thank you, you're very very rancom well, you know, and
and Marcus, I'm glad that you at least are giving
the glory to God and use the money for something good.
You know, put it away, invest, save, UH, be productive
with the money. Not easy come easy go say easy
come practical go. You know you get the money and UH.
(25:47):
A nice way to divvy it up is uh, if
you are so lucky to be in a position, is
maybe a small percentage goes to something that has been
on your want list for a while, and then divvy
the rest up into a portion that goes to charity
and a portion that goes into savings. I think that
(26:09):
that if you look at things like that, it gifts
like that in a practical way, they can be quite beneficial.
If you see stories about people that have won the lottery,
a lot of them are broke months years down the line,
because it's when you perceive and this is something that
you certainly don't want you to or anyone else Marcus
(26:32):
to get in into your your your mental habit, and
that is, don't think that that luck or that things
that are always going your way. Don't bank on that
in that sense. Be appreciative of it, but always work
for things, always work. Don't look for the easy way out,
don't look for the you know, for cutting corners. It's
(26:53):
it's best that you seek to always do things the
right way, the best way, and you know what, there
are wonderful rewards to doing things right. I'm sorry people
that that's the whole point of the Big Book. It's
the whole point of all this. It works. People. You
bash your head into the wall day in and day
(27:15):
out saying, you know, how do I lose weight? Well,
the recipe has not changed for centuries, with very rare
exceptions to actual medical concerns. Eat less, move more, and
if you do it, it's like you know, some people say, oh,
(27:36):
this diet didn't work. No, you know, if you lose
weight on a diet it works, may not be healthy
for you, and that's a whole different story. But if
you're losing weight, it works. The reason why it stops
is because you stop doing it or you stop working it.
And you know, groups like AA and the like are
always so smart to remind you that it only works
(28:00):
when you work it, and that if you return and
you use best practices every single day in your life,
that you will have good things happen to you. Now,
that doesn't guarantee it, because other people are involved in
your life. I've known people that do so many wonderful
things and they have a lot of good that goes
(28:22):
on in their life. However, they have very poor discerning
mechanisms when it comes to relationships. So the money that
they work hard for than they make, or the things
that they have that are nice are destroyed because they
bring ugly people into their life, for people that are
bad or destructive into their lives, and then it negates
(28:42):
everything that you've done. There's a balance in those things
and all those things, and when someone does well, you
should be excited for them, and that is a wonderful thing.
But also know that that really those people that you
always go, oh, they're so lucky, they're not really lucky.
There are usually people that have worked for things or
(29:06):
seeked to play by the rules and not welcome ugly
things in their life. Don't take chances, don't skip rules,
don't don't you know, squeeze by laws because oh, well
I'm in a hurry or I need to do this,
you know what. Those are the people that get tickets,
or those are the people that getting accidents, or those
you say, but I'm a good guy, I do this. Yeah,
But you're trying to cut corners, and each time you
(29:28):
do that, you put yourself in potential harms way, and
life bites in the tail. Very rarely do you get
away with it for that long. Sooner or later it
catches up with you, and then and you end up heaping,
you know, things upon your life. And those are the
people say, gosh, when it rains, it pours, But you
know why it pours because you've been putting all that
(29:49):
stuff off and it finally just gave way. It's more
like a shelf that you keep dumping things on, and
sooner or later it's going to give way and go gosh, man,
when one book falls, they all fall. No, it's because
you had fifty books on the same shelf and it
was meant for three. And that's therein lies the problem,
not luck at all. Thank you for joining me this Sunday.
(30:12):
I hope you join me every Sunday, and remember these
words above all else. I am with you always, KFI
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