Jesus Christ Show | Its The Little Things - Hour 3 [09/29]

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I just want to remind you that I know
a lot of people. When I say bold and brave,
it really is about the fact that if you ask
a question, I guarantee there are hundreds of people, if
not more, that are listening that have the exact same
question and someone has to step up and ask it
to get the answer. And maybe that's you. So that's

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why I appreciate that you are bold and brave and go.
I want to know what the answer to this is.
And to the very bold and brave Rose, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Hi you there, Hi, I do have a question and
I'm hoping you can give me some clarification. Okay, in
regards to death, I'm not sure or I'm not clear
is when loved one dies, if they go into an
atern a sleep waiting for the second resurrection, or does

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everyone automatically go to heaven. I'm finding some mixed information,
so I'm hoping you can clarify.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
That for me.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Sure, in the law of a non contradiction you're dealing with,
you have to deal with things that are actually a contradiction,
and so when you read scripture, there's times where something
seems like it might be so we have to dig
a little deeper. So, for instance, when it comes to
this very question, there's two things going on, depending on

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where you stand in your belief as to the body,
whether it's the body and the soul, there are some
that's dichotomist. If if you believe there's body, spirit, and
soul or all three separate things, that's something else. But
if you understand that they are two separate things, then

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it's really two questions. One is about the body, what
happens to the body, One is about what happens to
the soul. So the soul goes immediately to heaven. Scripture
says to be absent from the body is to be
present with the Lord. And then it also says that

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it inasmuch as it is appointed for man to die
once and then the judgment. So that also doesn't say
then wait and then all these things, But the body
itself does not get resurrected until later the spirit is
in heaven. Now that's the simple separation. Now that thing

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that was the same with me, If you remember on
the cross, I tell the thief, one of the thieves
I said today, you will be with me in paradise,
yet I won't resurrect for three days, so it was taught.
The difference is the spirit goes to heaven, the body

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was still in the tomb, and it's the same for humanity.
The second issue is that in heaven there is no time,
so you're dealing with a time continuum here. Here's the
fun part that always kind of blows people away. Everything
that's going to happen has already happened in heaven. Oh

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it's kind of strange because you have to live through
life here. But technically, if you're going to be in heaven,
you're already in heaven. There is no win in heaven
in the same way, in the same sense. So it's
kind of kind of nutty, I know. But that's the
scriptural reality, is that the body is what is resurrected,

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not the soul. The soul goes to heaven, so that
happens immediately. The resurrection of the body happens later.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
I see, Oh, excellent, I hadn't separated that is, still
thinking of the actual body. I know, Decay didn't put
the soul in a two separate items, so it makes
perfect sense.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Now excellent. Well, I'm glad that helps.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I know that it's a little strange because you're dealing
with you know, you see everything as one here on earth.
But that reality is that the way you are created
by God is that the body is the vessel. It's
the clay jar that holds it holds everything, but the

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essence of who you are, the spirit of who you are,
is separate and the soul, and that is what goes
to heaven. So a resurrected body ends up being a
little different, or a glorified body ends up being different
as well, which is a.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Whole another path of.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Theological goodness when you get into that as to what
that means and what that will look like and how
it will manifest and all of those things. But yep,
the spirit or the soul will be in heaven and
that the body will stay here until resurrected. And that's
a very easy thing to get confused by. And even

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with my humanity and my deity, people will ask questions, well,
what about this?

Speaker 1 (05:26):
You know is as God, are you omnipotent? Well? As God? Yes,
but as human know.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I was limited by the flesh to be able to
go wherever my feet would take me, and it was
a little different. So you always have to ask the
two questions. And when you're asking a question about the
body to a Christian believer, you're asking at least those
two questions as well. You're asking about the physicalness the

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physical vessel, and then you're asking about the spirit as well.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
And getting those two.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Things in their proper context is important. And often, strangely enough,
in churches and whatnot, you will go through whatever the
studies are, you go through or you go through a
pattern of Bible studies, and they teach certain things and
they read through scripture. Strangely enough, there isn't a lot
of discussion about those other parts, like understanding the difference

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between the body and the soul and looking at almost
like the philosophical aspects of Christianity, which is my producer Neil.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
It's one of his favorite.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Favorite parts of Christianity is the philosophical parts, the understanding
the concept of hell and evil and heaven and the
body and the soul and all these things. And oftentimes
it seems like that is it's a little lost in Christianity,

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in whether it's the church or whether it's Bible studies
or whatnot, And it's and I think it's maybe a
fear of not stepping outside of scripture, but not it
always seems like it's extra biblical when it's not.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
It is.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
These are things that are tied in very deeply to scripture.
But I think people feel more comfortably more comfortable just
staying on top of scripture, just looking at scripture, which
is fine, of course, but you miss so much texture.
It's almost like someone has asked on the program before,

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why don't you just tell them that Jesus loves them?
And I say, because Jesus loves you doesn't mean anything
unless you know who Jesus is, unless you know what
love is, and unless you know who you are. And
if you don't understand those things, if you don't have
a baseline of what those things are and what they mean,

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then it doesn't matter if I just say I'm Jesus
and I love you.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
They you have to know more.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
So I encourage you to poke around a little bit.
There's Christian philosophers out there.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
There's books.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
You know, if you find yourself a Christian bookstore, you
pop onto Amazon or something, you start looking for Christian philosophies,
philosophers and Christian philosophy books. There's all kinds of things
that you can find out there to really help understand
and put flesh on the bones and more insight. But
it doesn't seem to be doesn't seem to be a focus.

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And therefore people are going through scripture and trying to
figure things out and they need more information to understand them,
and unfortunately it doesn't seem to be given by the
Church much these days. Well that's why I'm here, Dennis,

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Welcome to the g Jesus Christ Show.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Good morning. In biblical times, the Jewish people's atone for
sins with animal sacrifices. Jesus the Messiah was rejected largely
by the Jewish people, and yet today the ritual of
animal sacrifices no longer continues with the Jewish people. Why

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and when did this process stop for Jews?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yes, okay, because for Christians it doesn't play a part
obviously because I was the last sacrifice, correct, But for
the Jewish people, and I don't want to speak for
their belief system across the board. Really you're dealing with
prophecies and the destruction of the temple.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's primarily.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
So there are those that believe until the temple is rebuilt,
then it is unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
All right, very get You're welcome, thanks for calling.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
The sacrifice is interesting because the animal sacrifice was really
to show.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Kind of a it was.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
It was to show that there is consequences to sin,
sin being the big religious term for missing the mark, right,
so you get when you when you sin, it's not
something tangible always that you see. And in order for
an understanding of the justice that is needed to kill something,

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to make an animal sacrifice was to understand that something
something that death occurs, that there is greater consequence and
there is a debt that is instilled when you sin.
To the Christian people, the understanding was to prepare them

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for my death, was to prepare them for an understanding
of the payment that needs to be made as a
consequence to the actions that people did. And those could
be idea actions, those could be tangible, physical actions, those
could be all kinds of things that lie in sin,

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because after all, lust and coveteousness and things like that
are sins as well. So those were a teaching process
an understanding. Imagine it this way. The people that live
in tribes or live in parts of the very rural

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parts of the world, teaching their children that in order
to eat, they have to hunt, they have to forage.
There is a shed of blood and sweat and these
things to get your food. Okay, you fast forward and

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you have people that are you know, they go to supermarkets.
They don't think about it, and then you have also
have more waste because of that. People go, oh, well,
I can buy more. They don't understand the consequences the
weight of their food, or their actions on the world,
or any of that, because waste just becomes a part

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of life.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I use this.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Cup, I use whatever it is, I use it quickly,
I throw it away. I don't have to worry about it. Well, spiritually,
people were doing that as well. They weren't thinking of
the consequences, and there needed to be a physical reminder,
albeit a violent and ugly reminder, that what was taking

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place when you send was equally as ugly and violent
as what was taking place when you sacrifice, and that
sacrifice was showing the understanding of the weight of the
sin as well. And it just doesn't tie in today
for the Christian because I was the last and final

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sacrifice for those that would believe and receive, and in
doing that, there's no need to the Christian to sacrifice
to this day. Kay, welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Thank you Jesus, You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
How can I help you?

Speaker 6 (13:32):
I am in a Bible study and we have been
studying the Book of John, which is wonderful and I
have just loved it. But John twenty twenty three, the
explanation at the Bible study is that they did not

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have the ability to forgive sins, and no near a
human can forgive another person's sins. Yeah, I was wondering
if you could speak to that.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Please well with them whoever was teaching the Bible study,
not here to defend their theology or their thoughts. I
can't speak to you know what they what they were
trying to get at. But I will tell you what's
going on here is very interesting, right because you have
doubting Thomas and that story intertwining here, and you have

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basically a discussion, if you will, about doubt and that
there are those that believe in those that don't write.
So that verse is actually and it's me speaking, That
verse says this, if you forgive the sins of any
their sins have been forgiven them. So that doesn't make
sense that interpretation.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
That you.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Described, because right there it says so, and then it
says if you retain the sins of any they have
been retained. This whole discussion is really about believers and
non believers. And so if there were somebody that rejected
the gospel, then now after the death and the resurrection,

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you could they could say you were saved or not saved.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Not because they're giving that power.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
They are given the power of you know, saying you're
not saved or you're saved. It's because they're recognizing the
acceptance or the rejection of the gospel. So it's not
it's really about acknowledgment rather than some magical power like
it's a magic walm that's being waved and saying, boom,

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here you're saved or you're not. It's about the acknowledgment
or the recognize of those that have received and accepted
the gospel or those that have rejected the gospel. There's
nothing about that. They can't forgive all that is under
This is talking about the Holy Spirit, This is talking
about rejection, this is talking about acceptance. All those things
take play a big part in here let's talk with Carol. Carol,

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welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Thank you. I was calling because earlier when you were
talking about the soul going to heaven Church, but a
doubt if you're cremated.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Same same same thing, Yeah, same.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Thing, Okay. I just wanted to make sure because I
wanted to be cremated that you said the body comes later.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, here's the thing with cremation.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
There is nothing that in the Bible that says that
you can't get cremated. As a matter of fact, it's
becoming more and more popular option for it's for the
ecological ramifications, for financial ramifications, all kinds of things. But
imagine this that when you go to the Book of
Genesis and you see about the creation of humanity to

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begin with, it's really from the dirt in the ground, essentially,
it's from very simple things. And so cremation is not
going to destroy the body the way you think it might,
because God will resurrect it. Whether and I know it's
not very pleasant to think about, but what happens in

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cremation is really what happens if you were to bury
a body.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
It just happens more quickly.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Oh, Okay, Oh, I didn't think about that.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Part, because that's you know, the body is going to
decay in there. And let's say there's people that were
buried thousands of years ago, right, if they weren't preserved
a certain way, then their body decomposes in the earth
and to the earth it returns.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
Okay, all right, Well you answered my question, and I
love your show, and thank you.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Oh, thank you. I appreciate you listening. And that's a
weird thing. I know that when you think about, well,
what's going on and how does it take place and
all of those things, you start worrying about, well, does
that mean I'm going to be walking around without a
body and everyone's gonna be like, oh hi Carol. Yeah,

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Carol got cremated. A nice walking around with no body, Carol,
nice job. Everybody in heaven is kind of mocking you. Yeah,
Carol doesn't have a body. Apparently she was too cheap.
She decided to burn it. Not the way it's going
to go down. The time of the resurrection of individuals

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or the raising of those bodies and the saints is
really tied into God and the power of God, not
you know, hey, did you keep it in decent shape.
Did you embolvement properly? Did you all of those things?
That's not what's going to matter. Going to matter is
where your faith lies and what your beliefs are, and

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those things are going to establish what the next life
is going to be. And God will resurrect you from
any state. From any state. As a matter of fact,
the common theological belief is that you won't have any wounds.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
At all.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Now redemptive wounds. The wounds that I suffered, those still
existed because they were redemptive. So the wounds in the
hands that Thomas saw cut in the side, those types
of things remained in my body because they were redemptive.

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But the everyone else is going to be whole and
complete in that sense. And therefore, even you know, in
the state of cremation, even to the point where you
are made into ash, God can still recreate you. And

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I know that it seems to a human like, wow,
that's you know, how do you how do you deal
with talk about a puzzle and now it's a Now
it's ashes, and God's got to come in and rebuild
from the ash. But you're dealing with God. God's not
gonna go oh man, Okay, how's that song again? The

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hip bone's connected to never. I am never going to
get this together again. It's going to take me forever.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
God created you from the dust. God can rebuild you
from the dust. And really, when you're dealing with the afterlife,
you're dealing with a lot of really beautiful and miraculous
transformations and being reunited with your Maker and going through

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that process. There's so much beauty in all of that
and God, it's so well orchestrated in the way God
has allowed you this opportunity here on earth to learn
and experience and enjoy and connect in life, all pointing
towards all with the goal of being having that final

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time in heaven. And being in heaven for eternity is
a pretty powerful, powerful experience, and so all of the
things that precede it here in life have a purpose
and a goal that God set forward for you to

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glorify Him. And so people kind of get caught up
in the technicality sometimes, well what about this?

Speaker 1 (22:08):
What about that?

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Great questions, but God's not going to let cremation. There's
nothing Once spiritually you've given yourself to God like that,
there's nothing's going to stop it. Like cremation is nothing
like that is going to keep God from resurrecting that
body and having you be with the other saints in heaven. Jill,

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Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
Hi, thank you.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
How can I help you? Jill?

Speaker 7 (22:42):
Well, I have a question, and my kids actually kind
of pose this question.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Oh they're the tough ones.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I know.

Speaker 7 (22:49):
I know, and I don't really have all the answers.
Obviously I don't have any of the answers. But the
question is, if Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel,
and I think he was Able killed Cain, how did
we get other people and other people of different colors,
different races without And I think my question is about incest.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Well, okay, there's a couple of questions going on here.
First of all, and this can be difficult for a child.
Incest had to take place early on, and it wasn't it.
There wasn't just canaan Abel. If you read through Genesis,
you will see that there were sisters as well. Oh okay,

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they just aren't important to the narrative in the sense
that canaan Able deals with the first murder, and therefore
it becomes an important part of scripture to talk about
that rebellion and all of that. So it does make
note in Genesis that there were sisters. And then the

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next question would be, well, wasn't isn't incest wrong? Not
at the time. Incest did not become a law of
God until much later. So it was, you know, like
a a necessity at one point, and therefore it was okay.

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And also the genetic line was so pure at that
point that it was okay. But then as the genetic
line starts to get more polluted, God says, no more,
it's not it's not needed anymore. There's enough distance, and
to bring incest into the situation would have caused more
genetic problems, which is what it would do today or

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could do. So then God put a stop to it.
And that happens many times throughout scriptures, where something is
okayed by God for a certain amount of time and
then it's not. So that's the first part of that.
The second part of that is there there are not
multiple races. There is one race, the human race. That's

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all there is.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
That's true ethnicity.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
But no, I'm not even talking about you know, politically,
I'm saying there's only one race. Human race, and there's
only one color. The color in humans is called melanin.
That's what makes people lighter or darker. So and the
amount of melanin in the system is what makes them darker.

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But everyone has melanin. There's only one color, so at
different with different amounts of it cause the appearance of
the different color. But there's only one color of humanity
as well. So when you're starting to deal with ethnicity,
really what you're dealing with is culture or necessity. So

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you look around and you see, this is what we
have to eat, this is what we have to build with,
whatever it is that is what builds those cultures. But
if you look at the essence of all humanity is
exactly the same. The building blocks are exactly the same,
the color is exactly the same, it's just in different shades.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
Ok. Yeah, I some of you had something to do
with like, well, people live in different areas, so like
you said, the melanin, like they had to get darker
skin to protect themselves from the sun, and just kind
of like kind of.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Like exactly now hold that thought and then we're going
to talk in just a moment, and we'll get into
that point. We were chatting with Jill. Jilli's still there. Yes,
So your kids were asking you, and I love this.
Kids always have the most difficult questions. They were asking
you about canaan Abel and different races and colors and

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all of these things. So we went over that canaan
Abel had sisters, and that incest was allowed for a
certain amount of time and then it was foreboden by God.
And now we were talking about colors and different things.
One race, the human race, and one color melanin and

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melanin at different ratios will cause the different colors. Now
as far as different physical attributes and when that color
shifts in. The common belief is that within Adam and
Eve had all those variables within their genetic makeup, and
that these little switches, these little genetic codes, would be

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turned on or turned off depending on need. So that's
where we were going just before the break there is
that because of need, it's not evolution per se, it's adaptation.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Adaptation.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Is that those switches would go on, turn on, or
turn off depending on the needs. So in certain colder
climate there would be fatty tissue that would build up
above the eyes that it would change the shape of
the eyes, or at least the appearance of the shape
of the eyes, and that's to keep them warm in
colder climates or certain types of climates. If they were

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in a very sunny or hot area, then the melanin
there would produce your body would produce more melanin, therefore
darker skin to help fight against the heat and the sun.
That would change the shape of nose, the different types
of hair, even eye color could be different, as you

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know that people with lighter eyes tend to be more
sensitive to the sun. So all these switches, these genetic switches,
get turned on and off as the necessity is different,
and therefore you end up getting physical attributes that are different.
The culture part comes in based on the area in
which people are. Now there are some theologians that tie

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this back to the Tower of Babel or the Tower
of Babel, depending on your pronunciation, and the confounding of
the different languages, so that people had to go to
different areas and therefore start new culture in those areas.
And whether you believe that's the origin of it or not,

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essentially that kind of is what took place. As people
went to different areas, certain things became more important, certain
types of foods became more important because the climate is different.
Just like if you would go to Italy, the food
in southern Italy is different from the food in northern
Italy because the weather is different quite a bit, and

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it's contingent upon what you know. People are going to
eat stews and soups and places that are cold, these
types of things, and those shifts come or adaptations based
on the need, but they're all within there, within everyone,
and the switches were turned on or turned off based
on necessity, but genetically they're in every person.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Okay, thank you, You're very very welcome. Excellent question. And
smart kids I like that.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
For them to get fire up and asking questions like
that is really really wonderful. And remember, more importantly than
all the ugliness in the world, these simple words, I
am with you

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Always, KF I am six forty on demand