September 7, 2025 • 28 mins
Being told the sick don't have faith
Who created God
What is Eternity
Who created God
What is Eternity
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. It
seems people and maybe you do this as well, are
constantly making things more difficult they need to be in life,
there's always a right way in a wrong way. But
this is something a little different. This is looking The
assumption is that you're looking for an easier way to
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do something, but it truly ends up making things more difficult.
It reminds me our friend, our good friend, comedian Ron Pearson.
He actually has a part in his routine that says,
why do people drive ten miles to the gym to
walk five miles on the treadmill? It's not very efficient, right,
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And if you look around, and if you're honest, you'll
notice people are always taking and maybe you as well,
taking the longest path to the easiest way. So if
you take a moment to be honest with yourself, you
notice that you do it as well, that it's become
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a part of your life. And right now you're processing,
trying to think through the different things that maybe you've
done or oh well, no, I don't really have an example,
but think about it. How many times have you bypassed
reading the instructions to build or fix something, only to
be left with a poorly completed project that needs to
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be redone. You thought it was easier, it was simpler
to just bypass the directions. Why wealthy directions take time.
It takes time to read them. You have to process
all the information and then you have to put it
into play. That doesn't seem like it's going to take
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too long, so you put it upon yourself and you say, Okay,
I'm going to do it my own way, and you
end up having to redo it most likely, and it
keeps going on. You bypass the instructions, you build or
try and fix something, and you think it's much easier,
but it's not. It's like that old saying, nobody has
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the time to do it right, but everyone has the
time to do it over. You don't want that to
be your life's motto, always having looking for the most
difficult way. And you may do this by way of
cutting corners too. I can feel I can feel the
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women responding to the thought of a man going I
know a short cut. Don't worry, I know a short cut.
And I'm picking on you men. But the truth is
everyone does this, try and cut corners, only to find
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out it actually makes your goal that much more difficult
to achieve. That's the purpose, right, Everything you do is
to achieve some goals, to get to a place and
to achieve something. And you think that you want to
do it in a way that's efficient, but really a
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lot of the things that you do, they aren't efficient
at all. You're actually making things more difficult. And it's
not only at work or at a project you're working
on at home. I see this in marriages as well
quite a bit. You'll see spouses working against each other,
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making things way way more difficult the they need to be,
rather than working together for a common goal. So, if
you're in a relationship and you see that, whether it's
balancing your finances, whether it's making a big purchase like
a home or car, whether it's raising your children, whatever
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it might be, that there are ways to do it efficiently,
ways to do it where everybody wins and to meet
those goals. And there's ways where you butt heads against
each other day in and day out and actually make
things much more difficult than they actually need to be.
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You and your life take the long path. You take
these these difficult paths because that they seem to be
in your head. Oh well, it's going to be better.
This is not to be accused to be confused with
the narrow path or the wide path. This is the
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hurdles you bring in your own life, the things that
you bring to make things more difficult, rather than allowing
yourself to do it the right pame way, which may
seem to be longer at first, kind of like trying
to jockey on the highways and byways, and that each
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lane you turn into starts to slow down because everybody
starts to do that. Or you try and get your
left turn on a yellow light to that sort of
orange and almost red because you deserve it right, and
then it throws off the whole system. And now the
next person when they turn, are going to try and
steal that too, and then everything in the system of
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turning left starts to erode. You can't get lost in
trying to cut corners, because I assure you, when you
do this in life, you end up making things more
difficult than easier. Eva, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Thank you on the first time caller.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So I'm a little nervous, Oh don't be welcome. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I'm happy you called thank you. I'll listen to some
Christian TV stations while I'm getting ready for work, and
something that's really bothering me lightly. There's a common theme,
and they're all saying that by His stripes you are healed.
Uh huh. And they're saying that you should never be
sick or poor, and that if you are, you don't
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have enough faith or else you're doubting the word. And
I'm not an expert on any of this, but deep
down inside, I just don't. It doesn't feel right, but
they sound so convincing. I'm just really, you know, I
question that.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, it's good that you have uh you know that
that stands out that that you your you know, natural
discernment says something's wrong. I will tell you this. You
hear me clearly. And this is not against you know,
all TV preaching and the like. There actually is some wonderful,
wonderful you know, teaching and ministering going on on television.
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And I know that gets a bad rap. Even my
producer Neil tends to roll his eyes when it comes
to a lot of TV preaching. But that doesn't mean
that it's all bad. There's some good stuff on there
as well. However, run, don't walk to the nearest exit
when it comes to the health and wealth doctrine. When
it comes to what they call the blab it and
grab it, name it and claim it. All of these things.
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It was a problem two thousand years ago. It's a
problem now. People will skew scripture to tell you that
you should always be happy, always be wealthy, always be
healthy as a Christian, And that's not true. People die,
that's nothing new, and dying is a privation as well
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as any wound. So are there things you can do
being a good steward of your body, as of your
finances and things like that. Absolutely, you should not be
frivolous with your health, not be frivolous with your money.
But does that mean that you're always going to be healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Paul himself had a thorn in the flesh in Second
Corinthians and talks about it once agone. It doesn't go away,
God says, no. There are people that weren't healed in
scripture there you know. It never ever says there's a guarantee.
The biggest problem EVA is that these ministers are taking
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the concept of health and wealth in the areas of
faith and belief and trying to apply them to the physical. So,
for instance, in in Galatians three fourteen, it says in
order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would
come to the Gentiles so that we could receive the
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promise of the Spirit by faith. They'll use verse like
that and say, look, it talks about that all the
blessings and stuff that went to Abraham will come to
the new believers, the Christians, But they kind of forget
the end part that says receive the promise of the
Spirit by faith, that it's about Heaven, it's about those things.
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If you could have all that here, there would be
no reason for any other place true, And they kind
of get wrapped up in the whole scripture is filled
with trials, saying that you will go through trials and
you will go through pain, just as I have. It says,
so why people assume that they're going to be above
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That becomes more of a gnostic kind of we're in
a different scale or category of Christianity, and we know
things that others don't, and we believe things and that
really it's about a lack of faith. And yet when
the blind person came to me, and they were asking me, so,
why is he blind for something he did or something
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as his parents did? And I said, none of the above.
It doesn't always work that way. But yet they would
say it would have to be something that the man did,
that he is not being faithful enough, he's not believing enough,
and he's losing it. And you just can't find that
in scripture. However, you get a large number of the
elderly who are in poorer health and in on fixed incomes,
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sitting around and watching television, or you get a group
of young folks who have a huge chunk of entitlement
on their shoulder, believing they should be able to have
what they want when they want it, and gross doctrines
like this start to perpetuate, and then you know, they
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blow the lines. It just becomes about people wanting things
and getting what they want. You know what, you should
be praying, thank you Lord for the things you give me,
and more importantly, thanks thank you for the things that
you don't give me. There is a to be learned
through pain. Pain is designed by God as a warning mechanism.
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It has a purpose, and the hedonists back in the
day were the people that believed that that which felt
good was good and that which felt bad was bad,
and that's not true. There are many things that feel
good that aren't good for you, and there are many
things that feel bad that are good for you. Hard work,
studying for a test, building your muscles, showing restraint. All
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these things may not feel good at the time, but
they're there for a purpose, and if you grow in them,
they will make you stronger and better. So the health
and wealth gospel really isn't a gospel at all. It's
about trying to get what you want, and then it
just becomes self help and those self help gospels and
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everybody's happy and everybody's got straight white teeth and perfect
hair and every it's just it's not the truth. They
would look at me like I was a monkey if
I walked in the room, because that's not what it
was about. It wasn't then and it isn't now. And
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you have to run from those things. Those groups really
are about themselves making money than anything else, and it
can be very dangerous because there's so little gospel in it.
Just enough gospel to get people curious and saying, oh,
this is of God, and just enough scripture just to
skew everything and confuse it. That's not everything on Christian
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television or on Christian radio, but there is a lot
of it out there, and you need to use discernment
and you need to cut that out of your life.
It's no good and you don't need it. Pat, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I am well, sir. How are you well?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I'm doing okay.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I would like to ask if everything in a universe
as a creator, a maker. I'd like to know who
made God? And what is the evidence for the existence
of God.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Oh, it's a great question, a broad question, but a
great question. The first part is true. Everything in the
universe does have a beginning and a creator. However, God
is not in the universe. God is outside of the universe.
By definition, God can't have a creator. If God had
a creator, then that creator would be God and God
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would be creation. That's what creator creation means. So it
sounds legitimate at first, but it's like saying, how many
corners on a globe? There aren't any? You know, how,
what did the bachelor get his wife for her birthday?
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The bachelor can't by definition get anything for his wife
because he's not married by definition, So asking who created
God sounds legitimate, but in logic it's called a category
mistake because you're asking a question, a categorical question, about
something that is outside of the category of the question itself.
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So you can't say how many corners does a circle
have because a circle doesn't have corners? So who created God?
No one. God is on the uncreated creator of all creation. However,
the universe because you have two models. You have either
the creation model, and we'll kind of pile everything into that,
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the creation model, which is that there is intelligence that
created all that you see, or the evolutionary model, which
is that everything existed or has come into existence out
of nothing. The problem with the evolutionary model is that
all of that has to come from temporal stuffs that
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is winding down. First and second laws of thermodynamics show
that it's getting simpler, not greater. So the universe itself
can't be eternal because it's getting simpler. It's winding down,
not winding up. There's all kinds of theories that people
try and run around saying that it's actually like an
accordion expanding and then contracting expanding. But there's that would
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cause something like, well, what is the.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Evidence for the existence of God?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Well, the evidence for the existence of God would be
similar to other evidences. Like you don't see wind. You
see what wind does to other things. Right, you see
the wind in the trees, but you don't put wind
like in a jar and then come home and say, hey,
I got this jar full of wind. So the tangibility
of wind is based on how other things react to it. Similarly,
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you can look at certain things without any other evidence
but the thing itself and know something. For instance, Pat
if you were to go and look at Mount Rushmore,
you would automatically with no other evidence whatsoever, no pictures,
know nothing, not look at Mount Rushmore and think that
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it happened because of rain, wind and erosion.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Right, agree with that?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Okay, that's a fair assessment, because if you were to
do that, you'd have to assume that at the right time,
in the right way, at the right rock, the right wind,
and angle of the wind and angle of the rain
and all these things carved out something intelligent, carved out
something that looked like famous people. So likewise, you don't
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need the evidence other than the actual existence of Mount
Rushmore to know that someone carved it. You may not
know who carved it, but you can know that someone
carved Mount Rushmore just by looking at it. You would
never assume that it just happened. Now you can start
to learn certain things about the artists by saying that
they were somebody with a keen eye, somebody that was
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also had the abilities to deal with heights. You could
see that it was somebody who was good with a chisel.
You could see these, So you.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Can what has God done that would make me believe
that he created the universe?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Because the universe itself can't explain itself. Science says this
is science saying this, that the cause is always greater
than the effect, except when it comes to the entire universe,
which came from nothing. And there's an old saying, ex
nikolo nihilo fit. Out of nothing, nothing comes. So now
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you've got this universe, and you've got temporal beings and
things that are winding down, which implied they've been wound up.
You've got a a creature that has uniqueness above any
other thing. Because biologically, the simplest way to multiply is
to divide, not to have male female, not to procreate,
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not to have love. If you listen to this show
for any length of time, you can hear how difficult
it is for people to have relationships. So all that
is a mess and doesn't work in the evolutionary biological
simple biology. That there's something more to this than just
happens to you.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well, a lot of relationships do work.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Indeed, indeed, my point, my point is is not that
relationships don't work, obviously I believe that they do, is
that they are not The easy way an evolution would
weed out those, It would weed out the complex for
the simple, the most simple path first, like to divide,
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and the concept of having emotion or relationships or a
male female unity is not not a necessity to evolution.
There are many things that you can point to when
it comes to the universe and its existence and the
way the universe works that point to a god. Some
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would even argue that the time as you know.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It, do you believe the earth itself is?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
How old do I believe the earth itself is? Yeah,
what do you think I'm going to say? Six thousand years?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I don't know what you're going to say, Well, it's not.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Six thousand years there are many in the Christian faith
that adhere to incorrectly by the belief of this program.
The process of going through the genealogies in scripture to
get the age of the Earth. Now, the age of
the Earth may not be billions of years old. It
can certainly be millions of years old, fifteen million years old,
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and still not be outside of scripture. There's nothing in
scripture that says the age of the Earth. So there's
nothing in scripture that would or should convince a Christian
that the Earth has to be any particular age at all.
It's not a theological question, it's a science question.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Is a science, says the people that do science four
point six billion, But.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
They need that time. That's not because they have a
way of measuring it properly due to half life and
the such. It's because they need that time to get
done what they need done, you see, because evolution wouldn't
it needs so much time to work. That really that
that length of time is not because someone took a
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ruler and measured it, because there's no way to do
that with any sort of because you know, even with
the different carbon carbon fourteen dating, which isn't really used
much anymore by its old standards, it has a half
life and so on. So it's more that they say, well,
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it's got to be this old, and some of it
can be circular reasoning as well. How old is this
rockets a million years old? Why? Because we we pulled
it out of that million year old mountain?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Someone know how to get rockets in the space, how
to get cell phones to work, how to get air
conditioners to work, how to get cars to work?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yes, and so.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
How to make modern life really comfortable.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Well, you sound like you're almost worshiping them, Pat.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Uh, Well I do in a sense, because my point
being pretty comfortable.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
No, they did not get rockets into earth. Rockets. Rockets
just happened.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Rockets, base ships just happened. Man didn't have anything to
do with it.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Intelligence had nothing to do with They just happened. It
doesn't make sense, does it. It sounds silly for anything
with design and purpose to make the statement that it
just happened sounds silly. So to take that same attitude, Pat,
and say that mankind as it stands didn't have intelligence
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seems silly. It's equally as bizarre to me to look
at mankind and say that it didn't have intelligence behind it,
as it is to you for me to say that
rockets didn't have intelligence behind them, stand by all legitimate questions,
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but you do this yourself. There are bias you have.
There are things that even as a believer or non
believer wherever you land, that you'll do that are acceptable
to you, but when someone else does them, they're unacceptable.
And it's the same with logic. There's certain logic that
you'll you'll consume and go that's okay, you know, like
a rocket ship. No, that rock ship had to be
built by somebody because of its design and obvious intelligence
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behind it. However, humans just kind of there was like
this this big magic bowl of soup, and then that
magic bowl of soup like stayed around for a long time,
like not ten minutes or twenty minutes, but like like
a long long time, like more than like like a
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long time, like millions of minutes. And then after the
millions of minutes, the magic soup it got like it
got really warm, and then like after it got like
really warm, not like like a hundred degrees, but like
really like a million degrees, and it sounded like a
kid telling you the story and then then after and
then and then it was a fish and that that fish, wait,
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that fish. Then the fish was like around for like
a million, like a million, like six million days and
and a long a lot of million minutes. And then
then the fish had legs. Yeah yeah, and the fish
had legs, and then and then and then the fish
that has legs now and the fish like then the
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fish went on land and the fish was walking on
land and and and then walking around going hey, I'm
a fish. I got legs. And then then it but
then another mill like million, like a long like millions
or lots of minutes go by, and then and then
the fish with legs he he he got wings. Then
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fish the fish with legs got wings, and then the
uh and then he flied around around for so so long,
like so many minutes like long, millions of minutes like
so long, and then and then he became a wharse
and dogs and stuff and other and cats and things
and just but but it is so long. It was
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like so many minutes like millions and millions so long
of time that it that it took. I'm doing that
to prove a point, because how many times have you
heard evolutionists speak of Christianity as strict mythology, and oh, yes,
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the magic man who died on the cross, wink wink. Oh.
I believe that too when I was seven. But really,
which story sounded like a seven year old who lost
his homework just came home to tell it. And then
and then that the pterodactyl took my homework, and but
then he died because uh big uh big rock hit
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and everything everything, and then everything went away and became
died and then and then I can't then I didn't
have my homework. I mean really, And I hear that
so often about people telling the story of God, and
really it makes sense. There is nothing in the universe
that doesn't have to point outside itself to explain its existence.
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Nothing as a contingent part of the universe. It is
reasonable to believe that intelligence. Every scientific discovery or technological
creation is a creation made from intelligence. There's no reason
to believe that you are not Kurt. Welcome to the
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Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Hello Jesus, How are you okay?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Good? How can I help you out?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Well? I was wondering about eternity. It's an awfully long.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Time, yes, bigger than a bread box.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
What and heck are we going to be doing well
for eternity? Are we going to be on Earth and
new Heaven and new Earth? Are we are it's a
little confusing.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Well, yes, but are you talking about how you're going
to be spending your time?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Basically, it's not.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
It's it's not like it's a cruise ship where you're
gonna be going, oh well, I've already gone gambling, and
I already did a little skeet shooting, and you know, like,
it's not stuff. In the same way, it's very simple.
In scripture it says that it will be set with
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worship and service to God for eternity. But you have
to think of it slightly differently because there's no there's
no real comparison to anything on earth other than the
fact that you seek things. You seek rest from you know,
hard state work. You seek work for the completion of tasks,
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and you have hope in life where you look you
look forward to things and have hope for things that
are better or all of these things, well those are
almost like a very small samples of what will be
and won't be needed in heaven. So in heaven, really
it's about the accumulation of understanding as well. You will
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come into the full knowledge of what God wants you
to know and to see. It's a lot of learning
will be taking place and worship and that may sound dull,
but really everything you've done on Earth, seeking things and
gaining money, relationships, all of those things are a very
human way of trying to accumulate what's actual in heaven.
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So they're kind of little steps or synthetic versions of
the reality of heaven. So you take all the bad
stuff away at all the good stuff, and really the
fullness of heaven is what that is, and that is
just being with the Maker. It is that a frozen
reunion with God. KFI six on demand
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. It
seems people and maybe you do this as well, are
constantly making things more difficult they need to be in life,
there's always a right way in a wrong way. But
this is something a little different. This is looking The
assumption is that you're looking for an easier way to
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do something, but it truly ends up making things more difficult.
It reminds me our friend, our good friend, comedian Ron Pearson.
He actually has a part in his routine that says,
why do people drive ten miles to the gym to
walk five miles on the treadmill? It's not very efficient, right,
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And if you look around, and if you're honest, you'll
notice people are always taking and maybe you as well,
taking the longest path to the easiest way. So if
you take a moment to be honest with yourself, you
notice that you do it as well, that it's become
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a part of your life. And right now you're processing,
trying to think through the different things that maybe you've
done or oh well, no, I don't really have an example,
but think about it. How many times have you bypassed
reading the instructions to build or fix something, only to
be left with a poorly completed project that needs to
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be redone. You thought it was easier, it was simpler
to just bypass the directions. Why wealthy directions take time.
It takes time to read them. You have to process
all the information and then you have to put it
into play. That doesn't seem like it's going to take
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too long, so you put it upon yourself and you say, Okay,
I'm going to do it my own way, and you
end up having to redo it most likely, and it
keeps going on. You bypass the instructions, you build or
try and fix something, and you think it's much easier,
but it's not. It's like that old saying, nobody has
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the time to do it right, but everyone has the
time to do it over. You don't want that to
be your life's motto, always having looking for the most
difficult way. And you may do this by way of
cutting corners too. I can feel I can feel the
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women responding to the thought of a man going I
know a short cut. Don't worry, I know a short cut.
And I'm picking on you men. But the truth is
everyone does this, try and cut corners, only to find
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out it actually makes your goal that much more difficult
to achieve. That's the purpose, right, Everything you do is
to achieve some goals, to get to a place and
to achieve something. And you think that you want to
do it in a way that's efficient, but really a
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lot of the things that you do, they aren't efficient
at all. You're actually making things more difficult. And it's
not only at work or at a project you're working
on at home. I see this in marriages as well
quite a bit. You'll see spouses working against each other,
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making things way way more difficult the they need to be,
rather than working together for a common goal. So, if
you're in a relationship and you see that, whether it's
balancing your finances, whether it's making a big purchase like
a home or car, whether it's raising your children, whatever
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it might be, that there are ways to do it efficiently,
ways to do it where everybody wins and to meet
those goals. And there's ways where you butt heads against
each other day in and day out and actually make
things much more difficult than they actually need to be.
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You and your life take the long path. You take
these these difficult paths because that they seem to be
in your head. Oh well, it's going to be better.
This is not to be accused to be confused with
the narrow path or the wide path. This is the
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hurdles you bring in your own life, the things that
you bring to make things more difficult, rather than allowing
yourself to do it the right pame way, which may
seem to be longer at first, kind of like trying
to jockey on the highways and byways, and that each
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lane you turn into starts to slow down because everybody
starts to do that. Or you try and get your
left turn on a yellow light to that sort of
orange and almost red because you deserve it right, and
then it throws off the whole system. And now the
next person when they turn, are going to try and
steal that too, and then everything in the system of
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turning left starts to erode. You can't get lost in
trying to cut corners, because I assure you, when you
do this in life, you end up making things more
difficult than easier. Eva, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Thank you on the first time caller.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So I'm a little nervous, Oh don't be welcome. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I'm happy you called thank you. I'll listen to some
Christian TV stations while I'm getting ready for work, and
something that's really bothering me lightly. There's a common theme,
and they're all saying that by His stripes you are healed.
Uh huh. And they're saying that you should never be
sick or poor, and that if you are, you don't
(06:22):
have enough faith or else you're doubting the word. And
I'm not an expert on any of this, but deep
down inside, I just don't. It doesn't feel right, but
they sound so convincing. I'm just really, you know, I
question that.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, it's good that you have uh you know that
that stands out that that you your you know, natural
discernment says something's wrong. I will tell you this. You
hear me clearly. And this is not against you know,
all TV preaching and the like. There actually is some wonderful,
wonderful you know, teaching and ministering going on on television.
(07:06):
And I know that gets a bad rap. Even my
producer Neil tends to roll his eyes when it comes
to a lot of TV preaching. But that doesn't mean
that it's all bad. There's some good stuff on there
as well. However, run, don't walk to the nearest exit
when it comes to the health and wealth doctrine. When
it comes to what they call the blab it and
grab it, name it and claim it. All of these things.
(07:26):
It was a problem two thousand years ago. It's a
problem now. People will skew scripture to tell you that
you should always be happy, always be wealthy, always be
healthy as a Christian, And that's not true. People die,
that's nothing new, and dying is a privation as well
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as any wound. So are there things you can do
being a good steward of your body, as of your
finances and things like that. Absolutely, you should not be
frivolous with your health, not be frivolous with your money.
But does that mean that you're always going to be healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Paul himself had a thorn in the flesh in Second
Corinthians and talks about it once agone. It doesn't go away,
God says, no. There are people that weren't healed in
scripture there you know. It never ever says there's a guarantee.
The biggest problem EVA is that these ministers are taking
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the concept of health and wealth in the areas of
faith and belief and trying to apply them to the physical. So,
for instance, in in Galatians three fourteen, it says in
order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would
come to the Gentiles so that we could receive the
(08:52):
promise of the Spirit by faith. They'll use verse like
that and say, look, it talks about that all the
blessings and stuff that went to Abraham will come to
the new believers, the Christians, But they kind of forget
the end part that says receive the promise of the
Spirit by faith, that it's about Heaven, it's about those things.
(09:13):
If you could have all that here, there would be
no reason for any other place true, And they kind
of get wrapped up in the whole scripture is filled
with trials, saying that you will go through trials and
you will go through pain, just as I have. It says,
so why people assume that they're going to be above
(09:34):
That becomes more of a gnostic kind of we're in
a different scale or category of Christianity, and we know
things that others don't, and we believe things and that
really it's about a lack of faith. And yet when
the blind person came to me, and they were asking me, so,
why is he blind for something he did or something
(09:55):
as his parents did? And I said, none of the above.
It doesn't always work that way. But yet they would
say it would have to be something that the man did,
that he is not being faithful enough, he's not believing enough,
and he's losing it. And you just can't find that
in scripture. However, you get a large number of the
elderly who are in poorer health and in on fixed incomes,
(10:22):
sitting around and watching television, or you get a group
of young folks who have a huge chunk of entitlement
on their shoulder, believing they should be able to have
what they want when they want it, and gross doctrines
like this start to perpetuate, and then you know, they
(10:45):
blow the lines. It just becomes about people wanting things
and getting what they want. You know what, you should
be praying, thank you Lord for the things you give me,
and more importantly, thanks thank you for the things that
you don't give me. There is a to be learned
through pain. Pain is designed by God as a warning mechanism.
(11:08):
It has a purpose, and the hedonists back in the
day were the people that believed that that which felt
good was good and that which felt bad was bad,
and that's not true. There are many things that feel
good that aren't good for you, and there are many
things that feel bad that are good for you. Hard work,
studying for a test, building your muscles, showing restraint. All
(11:32):
these things may not feel good at the time, but
they're there for a purpose, and if you grow in them,
they will make you stronger and better. So the health
and wealth gospel really isn't a gospel at all. It's
about trying to get what you want, and then it
just becomes self help and those self help gospels and
(11:55):
everybody's happy and everybody's got straight white teeth and perfect
hair and every it's just it's not the truth. They
would look at me like I was a monkey if
I walked in the room, because that's not what it
was about. It wasn't then and it isn't now. And
(12:15):
you have to run from those things. Those groups really
are about themselves making money than anything else, and it
can be very dangerous because there's so little gospel in it.
Just enough gospel to get people curious and saying, oh,
this is of God, and just enough scripture just to
skew everything and confuse it. That's not everything on Christian
(12:39):
television or on Christian radio, but there is a lot
of it out there, and you need to use discernment
and you need to cut that out of your life.
It's no good and you don't need it. Pat, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I am well, sir. How are you well?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I'm doing okay.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I would like to ask if everything in a universe
as a creator, a maker. I'd like to know who
made God? And what is the evidence for the existence
of God.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Oh, it's a great question, a broad question, but a
great question. The first part is true. Everything in the
universe does have a beginning and a creator. However, God
is not in the universe. God is outside of the universe.
By definition, God can't have a creator. If God had
a creator, then that creator would be God and God
(13:41):
would be creation. That's what creator creation means. So it
sounds legitimate at first, but it's like saying, how many
corners on a globe? There aren't any? You know, how,
what did the bachelor get his wife for her birthday?
(14:01):
The bachelor can't by definition get anything for his wife
because he's not married by definition, So asking who created
God sounds legitimate, but in logic it's called a category
mistake because you're asking a question, a categorical question, about
something that is outside of the category of the question itself.
(14:21):
So you can't say how many corners does a circle
have because a circle doesn't have corners? So who created God?
No one. God is on the uncreated creator of all creation. However,
the universe because you have two models. You have either
the creation model, and we'll kind of pile everything into that,
(14:43):
the creation model, which is that there is intelligence that
created all that you see, or the evolutionary model, which
is that everything existed or has come into existence out
of nothing. The problem with the evolutionary model is that
all of that has to come from temporal stuffs that
(15:04):
is winding down. First and second laws of thermodynamics show
that it's getting simpler, not greater. So the universe itself
can't be eternal because it's getting simpler. It's winding down,
not winding up. There's all kinds of theories that people
try and run around saying that it's actually like an
accordion expanding and then contracting expanding. But there's that would
(15:28):
cause something like, well, what is the.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Evidence for the existence of God?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Well, the evidence for the existence of God would be
similar to other evidences. Like you don't see wind. You
see what wind does to other things. Right, you see
the wind in the trees, but you don't put wind
like in a jar and then come home and say, hey,
I got this jar full of wind. So the tangibility
of wind is based on how other things react to it. Similarly,
(15:56):
you can look at certain things without any other evidence
but the thing itself and know something. For instance, Pat
if you were to go and look at Mount Rushmore,
you would automatically with no other evidence whatsoever, no pictures,
know nothing, not look at Mount Rushmore and think that
(16:17):
it happened because of rain, wind and erosion.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Right, agree with that?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Okay, that's a fair assessment, because if you were to
do that, you'd have to assume that at the right time,
in the right way, at the right rock, the right wind,
and angle of the wind and angle of the rain
and all these things carved out something intelligent, carved out
something that looked like famous people. So likewise, you don't
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need the evidence other than the actual existence of Mount
Rushmore to know that someone carved it. You may not
know who carved it, but you can know that someone
carved Mount Rushmore just by looking at it. You would
never assume that it just happened. Now you can start
to learn certain things about the artists by saying that
they were somebody with a keen eye, somebody that was
(17:08):
also had the abilities to deal with heights. You could
see that it was somebody who was good with a chisel.
You could see these, So you.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Can what has God done that would make me believe
that he created the universe?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Because the universe itself can't explain itself. Science says this
is science saying this, that the cause is always greater
than the effect, except when it comes to the entire universe,
which came from nothing. And there's an old saying, ex
nikolo nihilo fit. Out of nothing, nothing comes. So now
(17:50):
you've got this universe, and you've got temporal beings and
things that are winding down, which implied they've been wound up.
You've got a a creature that has uniqueness above any
other thing. Because biologically, the simplest way to multiply is
to divide, not to have male female, not to procreate,
(18:11):
not to have love. If you listen to this show
for any length of time, you can hear how difficult
it is for people to have relationships. So all that
is a mess and doesn't work in the evolutionary biological
simple biology. That there's something more to this than just
happens to you.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well, a lot of relationships do work.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Indeed, indeed, my point, my point is is not that
relationships don't work, obviously I believe that they do, is
that they are not The easy way an evolution would
weed out those, It would weed out the complex for
the simple, the most simple path first, like to divide,
(18:53):
and the concept of having emotion or relationships or a
male female unity is not not a necessity to evolution.
There are many things that you can point to when
it comes to the universe and its existence and the
way the universe works that point to a god. Some
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would even argue that the time as you know.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It, do you believe the earth itself is?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
How old do I believe the earth itself is? Yeah,
what do you think I'm going to say? Six thousand years?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I don't know what you're going to say, Well, it's not.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Six thousand years there are many in the Christian faith
that adhere to incorrectly by the belief of this program.
The process of going through the genealogies in scripture to
get the age of the Earth. Now, the age of
the Earth may not be billions of years old. It
can certainly be millions of years old, fifteen million years old,
(19:51):
and still not be outside of scripture. There's nothing in
scripture that says the age of the Earth. So there's
nothing in scripture that would or should convince a Christian
that the Earth has to be any particular age at all.
It's not a theological question, it's a science question.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Is a science, says the people that do science four
point six billion, But.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
They need that time. That's not because they have a
way of measuring it properly due to half life and
the such. It's because they need that time to get
done what they need done, you see, because evolution wouldn't
it needs so much time to work. That really that
that length of time is not because someone took a
(20:40):
ruler and measured it, because there's no way to do
that with any sort of because you know, even with
the different carbon carbon fourteen dating, which isn't really used
much anymore by its old standards, it has a half
life and so on. So it's more that they say, well,
(21:03):
it's got to be this old, and some of it
can be circular reasoning as well. How old is this
rockets a million years old? Why? Because we we pulled
it out of that million year old mountain?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Someone know how to get rockets in the space, how
to get cell phones to work, how to get air
conditioners to work, how to get cars to work?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yes, and so.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
How to make modern life really comfortable.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Well, you sound like you're almost worshiping them, Pat.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Uh, Well I do in a sense, because my point
being pretty comfortable.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
No, they did not get rockets into earth. Rockets. Rockets
just happened.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Rockets, base ships just happened. Man didn't have anything to
do with it.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Intelligence had nothing to do with They just happened. It
doesn't make sense, does it. It sounds silly for anything
with design and purpose to make the statement that it
just happened sounds silly. So to take that same attitude, Pat,
and say that mankind as it stands didn't have intelligence
(22:22):
seems silly. It's equally as bizarre to me to look
at mankind and say that it didn't have intelligence behind it,
as it is to you for me to say that
rockets didn't have intelligence behind them, stand by all legitimate questions,
(22:43):
but you do this yourself. There are bias you have.
There are things that even as a believer or non
believer wherever you land, that you'll do that are acceptable
to you, but when someone else does them, they're unacceptable.
And it's the same with logic. There's certain logic that
you'll you'll consume and go that's okay, you know, like
a rocket ship. No, that rock ship had to be
built by somebody because of its design and obvious intelligence
(23:06):
behind it. However, humans just kind of there was like
this this big magic bowl of soup, and then that
magic bowl of soup like stayed around for a long time,
like not ten minutes or twenty minutes, but like like
a long long time, like more than like like a
(23:26):
long time, like millions of minutes. And then after the
millions of minutes, the magic soup it got like it
got really warm, and then like after it got like
really warm, not like like a hundred degrees, but like
really like a million degrees, and it sounded like a
kid telling you the story and then then after and
then and then it was a fish and that that fish, wait,
(23:51):
that fish. Then the fish was like around for like
a million, like a million, like six million days and
and a long a lot of million minutes. And then
then the fish had legs. Yeah yeah, and the fish
had legs, and then and then and then the fish
that has legs now and the fish like then the
(24:12):
fish went on land and the fish was walking on
land and and and then walking around going hey, I'm
a fish. I got legs. And then then it but
then another mill like million, like a long like millions
or lots of minutes go by, and then and then
the fish with legs he he he got wings. Then
(24:37):
fish the fish with legs got wings, and then the
uh and then he flied around around for so so long,
like so many minutes like long, millions of minutes like
so long, and then and then he became a wharse
and dogs and stuff and other and cats and things
and just but but it is so long. It was
(25:01):
like so many minutes like millions and millions so long
of time that it that it took. I'm doing that
to prove a point, because how many times have you
heard evolutionists speak of Christianity as strict mythology, and oh, yes,
(25:23):
the magic man who died on the cross, wink wink. Oh.
I believe that too when I was seven. But really,
which story sounded like a seven year old who lost
his homework just came home to tell it. And then
and then that the pterodactyl took my homework, and but
then he died because uh big uh big rock hit
(25:48):
and everything everything, and then everything went away and became
died and then and then I can't then I didn't
have my homework. I mean really, And I hear that
so often about people telling the story of God, and
really it makes sense. There is nothing in the universe
that doesn't have to point outside itself to explain its existence.
(26:10):
Nothing as a contingent part of the universe. It is
reasonable to believe that intelligence. Every scientific discovery or technological
creation is a creation made from intelligence. There's no reason
to believe that you are not Kurt. Welcome to the
(26:36):
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Hello Jesus, How are you okay?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Good? How can I help you out?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Well? I was wondering about eternity. It's an awfully long.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Time, yes, bigger than a bread box.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
What and heck are we going to be doing well
for eternity? Are we going to be on Earth and
new Heaven and new Earth? Are we are it's a
little confusing.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Well, yes, but are you talking about how you're going
to be spending your time?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Basically, it's not.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
It's it's not like it's a cruise ship where you're
gonna be going, oh well, I've already gone gambling, and
I already did a little skeet shooting, and you know, like,
it's not stuff. In the same way, it's very simple.
In scripture it says that it will be set with
(27:24):
worship and service to God for eternity. But you have
to think of it slightly differently because there's no there's
no real comparison to anything on earth other than the
fact that you seek things. You seek rest from you know,
hard state work. You seek work for the completion of tasks,
(27:47):
and you have hope in life where you look you
look forward to things and have hope for things that
are better or all of these things, well those are
almost like a very small samples of what will be
and won't be needed in heaven. So in heaven, really
it's about the accumulation of understanding as well. You will
(28:10):
come into the full knowledge of what God wants you
to know and to see. It's a lot of learning
will be taking place and worship and that may sound dull,
but really everything you've done on Earth, seeking things and
gaining money, relationships, all of those things are a very
human way of trying to accumulate what's actual in heaven.
(28:34):
So they're kind of little steps or synthetic versions of
the reality of heaven. So you take all the bad
stuff away at all the good stuff, and really the
fullness of heaven is what that is, and that is
just being with the Maker. It is that a frozen
reunion with God. KFI six on demand
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