August 3, 2025 • 28 mins
People Seeing Jesus Face in Objects
Marijuana
Guilt of Taking Husband Off Life Support
Marijuana
Guilt of Taking Husband Off Life Support
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Joe, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Hey, Joe? How can I help you?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
I was.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Curious of your thoughts on people seeing Jesus' faith in
cheetos and chips.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yes, that none of these visions have any real purpose.
That's that's my biggest problem with them. It's not that,
you know, I'm offended if my face shows up on
a you know, grilled cheese. It's more or an oil
stain in a you know, the restroom of a gas station.
It's more than to what purpose it does. It becomes
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more of a joke than anything else. And it doesn't
there's never any glory to God in these things. People
end up worshiping them or selling them or something like that.
And so where's the value to God? And anytime someone
has an apparition or sees something, or comes in contact
with an angel or any of these things, really the
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motive has to be seen to what purpose does this
glorify God? And if it doesn't, then it's nothing. It's
just a parlor trick, or it's something interesting, or it's
a momento or a choschke or something to talk about
or what have you. But it's not of any value
to God unless it bespeaks his glory and somehow shut
shows His glory and really doesn't exactly invoke oh, does it.
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It's really just a wow kind of a second to
last story on the evening News before they go into
the huge litter of puppies.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
That was just born five miles down the road.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That's not a real huge story, and that's because there's nothing.
There's nothing in addition to it that kind of points
to something learned about God, something to know about God.
It's not like even the discussion that goes with the
shroud of Terin because there's nothing that really surrounds it
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that has that kind of mystery other than how did
it get here? And it shouldn't be worshiped if you
want to frame it. God bless you. But really keep
in mind that those kinds of visionary things or visions
that people have really have to tie into the Gospel.
They can't contradict anything in scripture. They can't, you know,
they have to have some purpose for God. And isn't
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that interesting that a lot of times when people say
that they have come across aliens, you know that they've
met extraterrestrials, that the messages that the extraterrestrials have always
tend to be something that's antithetical to mainstream Christianity and
more dealing with a New Age philosophy or these types
of things. And that's just kind of an interesting take
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on you know, some of these types of apparitions or connections. Right,
So when you see one that has to deal with scripture,
that it shouldn't be doing anything that would put scripture
down or any of that. Also, it should be productive
unless there was something personal between you and God and
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you called out and God manifested in some way, then
that would be between you and God. But a public
display in this sense really doesn't have much purpose outside
of any important context. Not to mention that usually the
depictions are kind of a stereotypical concept of who I am.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And was and not.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Really they're kind of generally the same thing. When there's
the long straight hair, was not a great probability and
things like that. Those are more artist depictions and things
like that. So when you start seeing them kind of
manifest in that way, you have to wonder, how I
think it's just kind of seeing in a cloud type concept.
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You look at a cloud, it could be oh, look
there's Abraham Lincoln, or it's a bunny, or it's a
tree or what have you. And that people can do
that with these images as well, although some of them
kind of funny and striking just by the very look
of you know, how they appear in the like John,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ shall Hello, Hi, John?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Not a whole lot. I was just wondering Jesus's opinion
on marijuana.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
In what sense and like the status of would it
be a sin.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
To smoke marijuana? And if so, like, why did you
put it on earth?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Well?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I put cows on earth. I don't want you to
smoke them. Why would you assume that, I mean hemlock.
If you smoked it, it would kill you. But I put
that on earth as well.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Well.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
How would you feel about, Like what would be the
purpose of having marijuana on earth?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
There are many things the hemp plant could be used
for clothing, rope, all kinds of things. Why would you
assume that it has to be smoked to be useful?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I wasn't assuming. I was just wondering what the view
of your view on smoking it would be.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Scripture is very clear on obeying authority even if you
disagree with it outside of the fact, if if authority
was trying to make it repress your religious beliefs. But
I'm guessing you're not Rustaferian.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
No, okay, fine, that was actually another question I had
was about religion. It is really so, would like religion
be against me smoking marijuana?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Would the use.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
The use of marijuana, if it was legal recreationally would
be different than alcohol for a couple of reasons. People,
you can drink a glass of wine with dinner and
not get high from it. You're merely drinking it with dinner.
No one smokes pot to not get high. They don't
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smoke pot with dinner because they like its flavor. You
smoke to get high. Now, when you get high, John,
it causes a problem because you start making yourself susceptible
to other things. In Scripture, the word is pharmachea, and
it's where you get the word pharmacy from. But it's
translated in most languages as sorcery because it was used
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for witchcraft and all kinds of things like that. So
the biggest problems you have is one the assumption that
pot itself, because it's God given, that it's only to
be used for smoking. That's a silly notion. I hope
you'd agree that it has many other purposes that can
be used for clothing, all kinds of things. So to
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say that that's its only use would would be ignorant
of the truth. And then in addition to that, Roman's
thirteen one through seven, Titus three to one, all there's
many times in scripture where it talks about obeying the
laws of the land, that you're guided by those leaders. Also,
it says in scripture that you're to be in one
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Peter two eighteen and twenty three that servants be subject
to your masters with all respect, not only the good
and gentle, but also the unjust. So there's times even
I allowed ponscious Pilot to put me on the cross,
and he was not a just man, but I allowed
it because of his authority. And that authority is God given,
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even if it's misused so recreationally just because you want
to get high, You're never going to find me jumping
around saying that's a that's a great thing. But do
I feel that it's been demonized. Yeah, I think marijuana
has been demonized unjustly. There's a lot of good things
that can come out of it that are being overlooked
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as well. Robin, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Thank you for taking my call, my pleasure. What had
occurred in my life is that my husband had suffered
from hepatitis C and he subsequently died of the disease.
I was told two months before his death that the
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hospital had selected not the transplant because of the course
of the disease, and I kept that to myself. I
kept it from him and you know.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So last two months, why did you keep it from him?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I didn't want him to know that after being on
the transplant list for nine years, he was going to die.
And I've known him for forty nine years. And the
dilemma was that at the end, I was the one
told by the hospital that I would have to unplug him.
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And I'm thinking they already had a death centerf he
was going to die, and why would I be the
one to have to okay them to pull the plug?
Because in my heart, I feel I killed him because
I was the one that had to be authorized to
do that now, I have seen several psychiatrics. I even
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went to the DA and told them I killed my husband,
but as a punishment to myself, I thought it would
be best to take my own life with my own
service weapon. And when I went to fire it, it missfired,
and I feel that I still have to live on
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with knowing that I was the one to pull the plug.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Would you feel that taking your life would somehow better
the situation, if the situation was so dire in your
mind to begin with.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
A life or in life, No, that's not how it works.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
As a matter of fact, you had to deal with
a decision that a lot of people had to, a
very dramatic decision. However, calling the DA and putting a
gun to your own head is absurd. Now, there is
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a major difference in this circumstance. We may not hear
all the details in the time that we have allotted today,
but this circumstance is important to know, and you are
left at the mercy sometimes of those that know more,
those being doctors and the like that are dealing with
the well being of your husband. And it comes to unplugging,
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or a term that people use as kind of generic.
This is what happens doesn't really state exactly what's going
on in any given time. There is a major difference, Robin,
between preserving life or prolonging life, or delaying death. Delaying
death is no more godly if somebody is dying and
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you do everything you can and it doesn't And I'm
not talking about normal measures, but certain heroic measures that
really have nothing to do with whether the person's going
to live or not. It just has to do with
modern technology. And if they can make his lungs expand,
inflate and deflate, and make his heart continue to go,
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but that doesn't necessarily constitute life. That's more of a
scientific definition of life. So these machines that they had
them on could have been doing many different things and
not necessarily keeping him alive, but keeping him mechanically moving.
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And I know a lot of Christians battle with that.
I'm gonna because of the time restraint, I'm going to
ask you to hold on, Robin. Can you do that
for me, Just to hold oh, just hold tight, because
I want to talk to you some more when we
return in just a moment, Robin, you're still there, yes, okay,
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I was quite disturbed by your statements the way you
reacted to having to take your husband off of life support.
And I know that there's lots of arguments out there
on different people, especially Christians, go back and forth as
to what this all means and the ethics of it all.
And there are many variables that play a part. Some
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will get into some we may not. But the fact
that you reacted in a way where you felt the
need one to go to the district attorney and tell
them that you murdered your husband when in fact you
were you were advised by the medical team that was
looking after your husband that that would be the best option, right, yes,
and so you made a decision based on that, and
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and then the fact that you felt it was necessary
to take your own life at that point is highly disturbing.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah, it's it's still a part of me every now
and then that little piece of me being a cat.
They comes into play that I was the one that
pulled the plug.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Robert, there is there is no that is not an
option for you to take your life. Do you understand
that it's not an option? And I want you and
I want you to know, I mean that this show
is very limited. Is the time we have to spend
together and.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
The like that.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
There are organizations and people that you can call twenty
four to seven and one of them would be one
eight hundred suicide and the other would be one eight
hundred two seven three talk. And I want you to
devote those to memory that if you get urges like that,
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that you will call one eight hundred suicide and talk
to someone, because it's not an option.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
And you know, it's just shaking that feeling because afterward,
you know, just praying and praying and praying, my whole
life is turned around. I cannot thank him for what
he's given me because he's not here to be thanked
for that. But it was just this piece of punishment
to myself that once this was all over, the hospitals
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were done, and I felt at that time no recourse
and I just every now and then it just does
creeps up that I was the one to be told
to do this when they already knew he was going
to die. And I didn't want to be a part
of that. But it's something that they don't teach you
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in school. It's something you don't prepare for. And you know,
with the machines doing what they were doing, they couldn't
tell me if his brain was gone, if the heart
was gone. It was just that the liver had totally
failed and there was nothing that they could do. And
I'm thinking, here, it is nine years of taking care
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of this man who was convalescent was just all wiped
out by me pulling the plug.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Well that's not necessarily, but that's not necessarily the truth.
Do you know what kind of life support it was?
Was it feeding tubes or was it things that were
processing other body functions that he couldn't process on his own.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
They were processing the body functions that his body could
no longer process. And they were showing me with the
with all the tubing, if one tube was removed, and
this would not work. And that's how it went for
the last seventeen hours. And they said there was nothing there,
but yet the disease was still alive in a dead body,
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and you know it was just I do not explain it.
Don't want to live.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Through that again, and nobody does.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I look at it is that with now this was
three years ago. My life has totally changed. Everything is wonderful.
I am remarried, just as happy as I want to be,
and I don't have him to take care of. But
it's just that piece of me I unplugged. They didn't
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do it. They was told the doctors killed the family
members to do that, and I thought that was just
so wrong and so long.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You mean you mean physically unplugged something, well.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
To take him off the life support systems.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
You're saying that by because people use these terms loosely
back and forth. When you say unplugged, you're saying give
give them permission to shut down the machinery. They don't
have you go in there and start pulling plugs yourself.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
No, they tell you what is no longer there and
asked me to do that well, and they explained to
me why, But I just felt is something that the
doctor should have done, not me.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And there's some that would argue differently. There's some that
would say that they want to have that control so
that they're not so that doctors aren't doing something that
you're on a aware of, or there's a lot that's
tangled into here, and I know that it starts to
get into ethics. This is not a show about medicine, certainly,
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it's a show about truth.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So I will tell you.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
This, Robin, that all you did was tell the doctors
that you want the best decision possible medically to be made.
That's all you did. You did not go in there
and say I want my husband dead. You did not
go in there and say I want to stop any
process of healing and my husband. You didn't say any
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of those things. All you did, and all they gave
you the authority to do, trust me, was to give
them the full authority to make the best decision possible
with the information they had at hand.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That's all. You did.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Not kill anybody. You gave the doctors to permission to
make the best decision they could under the circumstance. Doctors
can't kill anybody. Now, people would argue that sometimes they do,
but no one has the legal right to do that.
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There are a lot of arguments going back and forth
that deal with you know, helped suicide and abortion and
all of these things. So I get that there are
some cloudy and murky waters, But when it comes to
this particular circumstance, they're telling you that all you're doing
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is prolonging his death, That he is dying, and all
you're doing is squeezing a little more time. But he's
not going to get a new liver. He's not going
to get better and there's nothing that they're going to
do for him. So really, your prolonging his death and
keeping him from being with his maker because you wanted
him here on earth. Man, That's not necessarily a fair
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thing to do, is it.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I wanted to hear you give me a better opinion
than what the doctors did and the psychologists did, so
this way I can move on because that has just
been just a thorn there that I can't move on
from that decision because he remained on the life support
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for seventeen hours, and I would have kept it on
for days, but they were telling me.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That and those days would do what and then in
a couple of days that you'd make that decision. There's
a difference between someone tying ropes to his arms and
legs Robin, and moving him and making him look like
he's there and he's moving when he's just a puppet.
If he's just a puppet of those machines, he's not alive.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I have issue when people start take people off of
feeding tubes and the like, because everyone dies if you
stop to feed them. But but if you need someone
to to manually work the lungs and the heart and
all this stuff. Then really what you're doing is prolonging death.
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So you have to separate those two and and that's
going to be up to you. You have to be
the one to look at this and say you made
the best decision with the information at hand. You're not
going to go through medical school and even uh, you
know a couple of years, you're not you're not going
to get all that information like that.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I never looked at it as prolonging death.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I hope so because what you did is, uh, you know,
stand in a position that nobody desires to stand in.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
No one wants to see a loved one die ever,
natural causes anyway, no one wants to see that. But
there's a mission of hope is to understand that there's
a better plan somewhere, not always that it's going to
work out the way you want it. You didn't expect
to come home with him after nine years. You noticed
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each year that something was changing. You noticed that maybe
that the likelihood of him getting that transplant is less likely,
less likely, less likely, and that his body had gone
into a place where the powers that be and the
doctors involved felt that it was better not to give
him those parts because other things were starting to break down,
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and that that could be used for someone else. And
in those decisions you allow them to use those parts
for someone else that is here today. You didn't kill anybody, Robin.
And to sit there and flog yourself over this is
really to try and put yourself in the position of Christ.
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And you know that I came, that I died, that
I did all of that so that you wouldn't have to.
So going through all this on your own is unnecessary.
Trust God, Trust that your husband is where he should
be with his maker, and that you made the best
decision you could with the information in hand. Thank you,
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no more of the silly and ugly notions.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
You're welcome. You go in peace, and you hold on
to those numbers. If you have doubts and you have
ugly thoughts, or you go and you see somebody and
you get rid of that, I'd prefer you to not
have access to that side arm either. I think that's
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a bad choice of something around the house in your
particular case. If that is the state that you are in,
so please.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Deal with that.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Explain to your new husband as to the emotions you've
been going through, and certainly get help, sit down with someone,
talk with somebody, and get these feelings out. I hear
peace in your heart as we finished our conversation today,
but there's still more there that you should deal with.
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I think it's an ongoing process. Christina, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Hi, Hi there.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Program is awesome. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Oh, it's nice of you to say, how can I
help you answer a.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Lot of questions? Yes, Bible study last week we were
return on the subject of the difference between your soul
and your spirit, and I have to admit that I
thought they were both the same. And also brought up
was that animal and humans have a soul, but they
don't have a spirit. And the little s and the
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big little s for spirit, oh boy, and the big
guess me mean the Holy Spirit in you. So I
am just really confused here.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well, it depends, Yeah, it depends how they're going. There's
something called a dichotomist or trichotomist. A dichotomist is someone
who breaks down the body dustly.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
You have a soul or.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Spirit, there's the same thing, interchangeable to a dichotomist, So
you have the immaterial part of the body, which is
the soul and spirit, and then you have the material part,
which is the flesh. The trichotomists break that down a
little bit more and think that the soul is different
from the spirit is different from the flesh. So there's
three parts of the body. So it's a huge kind
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of argument that goes on, an in house argument that
goes on between Christians as to if they're you know
what they mean. And because of the use of the
different words when you're dealing with the psyche or the
breath of life, which is often translated soul versus the
Greek term numa, which means wind or breath, so spirit
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can sometimes mean just the life that is in somebody
and that it's been breathed into them, and that soul
is too talking about the breath of life, but it's
in context of the immaterial part of the body, so
it really depends. It sounds like you're dealing with trichotomists.
You're dealing with a group of people that believe that
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the soul and spirit are different, different parts of the
immaterial life, and obviously flesh is different from those things.
This Bible study.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Is it attached to your church, yes, which is.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Non denominational Bible believing Christian church.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Gotcha, Well, it just might. It just might be there.
They're drothers. It just might be what they believe.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
There is.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Many that don't believe in the the trichotomists breakdown, and
that really when it's talking about spirit or soul and
scripture that they're kind of interchangeable depending on the context.
So no, please.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Go ahead, if there is a difference between soul and spirit,
would it be your spirit that goes to heaven or.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, just to show all the cards of this show
and not everybody's going to agree with us that it
is the stance of this show. And my producer Neil,
who happens to be a dichotomist, he doesn't believe that
their spirit and soul are separate. They're the same thing
used differently in scripture at times for different reasons, but
they're the same thing. So so that's that's where we
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land on this particular show. And Neil's always open to,
you know, other ideas and good argumentation, but really for
the purpose of the show, that's kind of where we land.
I thank you so much. Be with us every single Sunday,
same time, same place, and remember, more importantly than all
the nuttiness in the world, these simple words, I Am
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with you
Speaker 1 (28:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Joe, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Hey, Joe? How can I help you?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
I was.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Curious of your thoughts on people seeing Jesus' faith in
cheetos and chips.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yes, that none of these visions have any real purpose.
That's that's my biggest problem with them. It's not that,
you know, I'm offended if my face shows up on
a you know, grilled cheese. It's more or an oil
stain in a you know, the restroom of a gas station.
It's more than to what purpose it does. It becomes
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more of a joke than anything else. And it doesn't
there's never any glory to God in these things. People
end up worshiping them or selling them or something like that.
And so where's the value to God? And anytime someone
has an apparition or sees something, or comes in contact
with an angel or any of these things, really the
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motive has to be seen to what purpose does this
glorify God? And if it doesn't, then it's nothing. It's
just a parlor trick, or it's something interesting, or it's
a momento or a choschke or something to talk about
or what have you. But it's not of any value
to God unless it bespeaks his glory and somehow shut
shows His glory and really doesn't exactly invoke oh, does it.
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It's really just a wow kind of a second to
last story on the evening News before they go into
the huge litter of puppies.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
That was just born five miles down the road.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That's not a real huge story, and that's because there's nothing.
There's nothing in addition to it that kind of points
to something learned about God, something to know about God.
It's not like even the discussion that goes with the
shroud of Terin because there's nothing that really surrounds it
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that has that kind of mystery other than how did
it get here? And it shouldn't be worshiped if you
want to frame it. God bless you. But really keep
in mind that those kinds of visionary things or visions
that people have really have to tie into the Gospel.
They can't contradict anything in scripture. They can't, you know,
they have to have some purpose for God. And isn't
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that interesting that a lot of times when people say
that they have come across aliens, you know that they've
met extraterrestrials, that the messages that the extraterrestrials have always
tend to be something that's antithetical to mainstream Christianity and
more dealing with a New Age philosophy or these types
of things. And that's just kind of an interesting take
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on you know, some of these types of apparitions or connections. Right,
So when you see one that has to deal with scripture,
that it shouldn't be doing anything that would put scripture
down or any of that. Also, it should be productive
unless there was something personal between you and God and
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you called out and God manifested in some way, then
that would be between you and God. But a public
display in this sense really doesn't have much purpose outside
of any important context. Not to mention that usually the
depictions are kind of a stereotypical concept of who I am.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And was and not.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Really they're kind of generally the same thing. When there's
the long straight hair, was not a great probability and
things like that. Those are more artist depictions and things
like that. So when you start seeing them kind of
manifest in that way, you have to wonder, how I
think it's just kind of seeing in a cloud type concept.
(04:04):
You look at a cloud, it could be oh, look
there's Abraham Lincoln, or it's a bunny, or it's a
tree or what have you. And that people can do
that with these images as well, although some of them
kind of funny and striking just by the very look
of you know, how they appear in the like John,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ shall Hello, Hi, John?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Not a whole lot. I was just wondering Jesus's opinion
on marijuana.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
In what sense and like the status of would it
be a sin.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
To smoke marijuana? And if so, like, why did you
put it on earth?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Well?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I put cows on earth. I don't want you to
smoke them. Why would you assume that, I mean hemlock.
If you smoked it, it would kill you. But I put
that on earth as well.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Well.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
How would you feel about, Like what would be the
purpose of having marijuana on earth?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
There are many things the hemp plant could be used
for clothing, rope, all kinds of things. Why would you
assume that it has to be smoked to be useful?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I wasn't assuming. I was just wondering what the view
of your view on smoking it would be.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Scripture is very clear on obeying authority even if you
disagree with it outside of the fact, if if authority
was trying to make it repress your religious beliefs. But
I'm guessing you're not Rustaferian.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
No, okay, fine, that was actually another question I had
was about religion. It is really so, would like religion
be against me smoking marijuana?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Would the use.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
The use of marijuana, if it was legal recreationally would
be different than alcohol for a couple of reasons. People,
you can drink a glass of wine with dinner and
not get high from it. You're merely drinking it with dinner.
No one smokes pot to not get high. They don't
(06:08):
smoke pot with dinner because they like its flavor. You
smoke to get high. Now, when you get high, John,
it causes a problem because you start making yourself susceptible
to other things. In Scripture, the word is pharmachea, and
it's where you get the word pharmacy from. But it's
translated in most languages as sorcery because it was used
(06:32):
for witchcraft and all kinds of things like that. So
the biggest problems you have is one the assumption that
pot itself, because it's God given, that it's only to
be used for smoking. That's a silly notion. I hope
you'd agree that it has many other purposes that can
be used for clothing, all kinds of things. So to
(06:53):
say that that's its only use would would be ignorant
of the truth. And then in addition to that, Roman's
thirteen one through seven, Titus three to one, all there's
many times in scripture where it talks about obeying the
laws of the land, that you're guided by those leaders. Also,
it says in scripture that you're to be in one
(07:15):
Peter two eighteen and twenty three that servants be subject
to your masters with all respect, not only the good
and gentle, but also the unjust. So there's times even
I allowed ponscious Pilot to put me on the cross,
and he was not a just man, but I allowed
it because of his authority. And that authority is God given,
(07:37):
even if it's misused so recreationally just because you want
to get high, You're never going to find me jumping
around saying that's a that's a great thing. But do
I feel that it's been demonized. Yeah, I think marijuana
has been demonized unjustly. There's a lot of good things
that can come out of it that are being overlooked
(07:58):
as well. Robin, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Thank you for taking my call, my pleasure. What had
occurred in my life is that my husband had suffered
from hepatitis C and he subsequently died of the disease.
I was told two months before his death that the
(08:30):
hospital had selected not the transplant because of the course
of the disease, and I kept that to myself. I
kept it from him and you know.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So last two months, why did you keep it from him?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I didn't want him to know that after being on
the transplant list for nine years, he was going to die.
And I've known him for forty nine years. And the
dilemma was that at the end, I was the one
told by the hospital that I would have to unplug him.
(09:08):
And I'm thinking they already had a death centerf he
was going to die, and why would I be the
one to have to okay them to pull the plug?
Because in my heart, I feel I killed him because
I was the one that had to be authorized to
do that now, I have seen several psychiatrics. I even
(09:32):
went to the DA and told them I killed my husband,
but as a punishment to myself, I thought it would
be best to take my own life with my own
service weapon. And when I went to fire it, it missfired,
and I feel that I still have to live on
(09:55):
with knowing that I was the one to pull the plug.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Would you feel that taking your life would somehow better
the situation, if the situation was so dire in your
mind to begin with.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
A life or in life, No, that's not how it works.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
As a matter of fact, you had to deal with
a decision that a lot of people had to, a
very dramatic decision. However, calling the DA and putting a
gun to your own head is absurd. Now, there is
(10:37):
a major difference in this circumstance. We may not hear
all the details in the time that we have allotted today,
but this circumstance is important to know, and you are
left at the mercy sometimes of those that know more,
those being doctors and the like that are dealing with
the well being of your husband. And it comes to unplugging,
(11:02):
or a term that people use as kind of generic.
This is what happens doesn't really state exactly what's going
on in any given time. There is a major difference, Robin,
between preserving life or prolonging life, or delaying death. Delaying
death is no more godly if somebody is dying and
(11:28):
you do everything you can and it doesn't And I'm
not talking about normal measures, but certain heroic measures that
really have nothing to do with whether the person's going
to live or not. It just has to do with
modern technology. And if they can make his lungs expand,
inflate and deflate, and make his heart continue to go,
(11:49):
but that doesn't necessarily constitute life. That's more of a
scientific definition of life. So these machines that they had
them on could have been doing many different things and
not necessarily keeping him alive, but keeping him mechanically moving.
(12:12):
And I know a lot of Christians battle with that.
I'm gonna because of the time restraint, I'm going to
ask you to hold on, Robin. Can you do that
for me, Just to hold oh, just hold tight, because
I want to talk to you some more when we
return in just a moment, Robin, you're still there, yes, okay,
(12:35):
I was quite disturbed by your statements the way you
reacted to having to take your husband off of life support.
And I know that there's lots of arguments out there
on different people, especially Christians, go back and forth as
to what this all means and the ethics of it all.
And there are many variables that play a part. Some
(12:56):
will get into some we may not. But the fact
that you reacted in a way where you felt the
need one to go to the district attorney and tell
them that you murdered your husband when in fact you
were you were advised by the medical team that was
looking after your husband that that would be the best option, right, yes,
and so you made a decision based on that, and
(13:19):
and then the fact that you felt it was necessary
to take your own life at that point is highly disturbing.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah, it's it's still a part of me every now
and then that little piece of me being a cat.
They comes into play that I was the one that
pulled the plug.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Robert, there is there is no that is not an
option for you to take your life. Do you understand
that it's not an option? And I want you and
I want you to know, I mean that this show
is very limited. Is the time we have to spend
together and.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
The like that.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
There are organizations and people that you can call twenty
four to seven and one of them would be one
eight hundred suicide and the other would be one eight
hundred two seven three talk. And I want you to
devote those to memory that if you get urges like that,
(14:20):
that you will call one eight hundred suicide and talk
to someone, because it's not an option.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
And you know, it's just shaking that feeling because afterward,
you know, just praying and praying and praying, my whole
life is turned around. I cannot thank him for what
he's given me because he's not here to be thanked
for that. But it was just this piece of punishment
to myself that once this was all over, the hospitals
(14:52):
were done, and I felt at that time no recourse
and I just every now and then it just does
creeps up that I was the one to be told
to do this when they already knew he was going
to die. And I didn't want to be a part
of that. But it's something that they don't teach you
(15:14):
in school. It's something you don't prepare for. And you know,
with the machines doing what they were doing, they couldn't
tell me if his brain was gone, if the heart
was gone. It was just that the liver had totally
failed and there was nothing that they could do. And
I'm thinking, here, it is nine years of taking care
(15:37):
of this man who was convalescent was just all wiped
out by me pulling the plug.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Well that's not necessarily, but that's not necessarily the truth.
Do you know what kind of life support it was?
Was it feeding tubes or was it things that were
processing other body functions that he couldn't process on his own.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
They were processing the body functions that his body could
no longer process. And they were showing me with the
with all the tubing, if one tube was removed, and
this would not work. And that's how it went for
the last seventeen hours. And they said there was nothing there,
but yet the disease was still alive in a dead body,
(16:26):
and you know it was just I do not explain it.
Don't want to live.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Through that again, and nobody does.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I look at it is that with now this was
three years ago. My life has totally changed. Everything is wonderful.
I am remarried, just as happy as I want to be,
and I don't have him to take care of. But
it's just that piece of me I unplugged. They didn't
(17:04):
do it. They was told the doctors killed the family
members to do that, and I thought that was just
so wrong and so long.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You mean you mean physically unplugged something, well.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
To take him off the life support systems.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
You're saying that by because people use these terms loosely
back and forth. When you say unplugged, you're saying give
give them permission to shut down the machinery. They don't
have you go in there and start pulling plugs yourself.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
No, they tell you what is no longer there and
asked me to do that well, and they explained to
me why, But I just felt is something that the
doctor should have done, not me.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And there's some that would argue differently. There's some that
would say that they want to have that control so
that they're not so that doctors aren't doing something that
you're on a aware of, or there's a lot that's
tangled into here, and I know that it starts to
get into ethics. This is not a show about medicine, certainly,
(18:10):
it's a show about truth.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So I will tell you.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
This, Robin, that all you did was tell the doctors
that you want the best decision possible medically to be made.
That's all you did. You did not go in there
and say I want my husband dead. You did not
go in there and say I want to stop any
process of healing and my husband. You didn't say any
(18:35):
of those things. All you did, and all they gave
you the authority to do, trust me, was to give
them the full authority to make the best decision possible
with the information they had at hand.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That's all. You did.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Not kill anybody. You gave the doctors to permission to
make the best decision they could under the circumstance. Doctors
can't kill anybody. Now, people would argue that sometimes they do,
but no one has the legal right to do that.
(19:09):
There are a lot of arguments going back and forth
that deal with you know, helped suicide and abortion and
all of these things. So I get that there are
some cloudy and murky waters, But when it comes to
this particular circumstance, they're telling you that all you're doing
(19:31):
is prolonging his death, That he is dying, and all
you're doing is squeezing a little more time. But he's
not going to get a new liver. He's not going
to get better and there's nothing that they're going to
do for him. So really, your prolonging his death and
keeping him from being with his maker because you wanted
him here on earth. Man, That's not necessarily a fair
(19:56):
thing to do, is it.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I wanted to hear you give me a better opinion
than what the doctors did and the psychologists did, so
this way I can move on because that has just
been just a thorn there that I can't move on
from that decision because he remained on the life support
(20:23):
for seventeen hours, and I would have kept it on
for days, but they were telling me.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That and those days would do what and then in
a couple of days that you'd make that decision. There's
a difference between someone tying ropes to his arms and
legs Robin, and moving him and making him look like
he's there and he's moving when he's just a puppet.
If he's just a puppet of those machines, he's not alive.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I have issue when people start take people off of
feeding tubes and the like, because everyone dies if you
stop to feed them. But but if you need someone
to to manually work the lungs and the heart and
all this stuff. Then really what you're doing is prolonging death.
(21:18):
So you have to separate those two and and that's
going to be up to you. You have to be
the one to look at this and say you made
the best decision with the information at hand. You're not
going to go through medical school and even uh, you
know a couple of years, you're not you're not going
to get all that information like that.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I never looked at it as prolonging death.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I hope so because what you did is, uh, you know,
stand in a position that nobody desires to stand in.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
No one wants to see a loved one die ever,
natural causes anyway, no one wants to see that. But
there's a mission of hope is to understand that there's
a better plan somewhere, not always that it's going to
work out the way you want it. You didn't expect
to come home with him after nine years. You noticed
(22:16):
each year that something was changing. You noticed that maybe
that the likelihood of him getting that transplant is less likely,
less likely, less likely, and that his body had gone
into a place where the powers that be and the
doctors involved felt that it was better not to give
him those parts because other things were starting to break down,
(22:39):
and that that could be used for someone else. And
in those decisions you allow them to use those parts
for someone else that is here today. You didn't kill anybody, Robin.
And to sit there and flog yourself over this is
really to try and put yourself in the position of Christ.
(23:06):
And you know that I came, that I died, that
I did all of that so that you wouldn't have to.
So going through all this on your own is unnecessary.
Trust God, Trust that your husband is where he should
be with his maker, and that you made the best
decision you could with the information in hand. Thank you,
(23:28):
no more of the silly and ugly notions.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
You're welcome. You go in peace, and you hold on
to those numbers. If you have doubts and you have
ugly thoughts, or you go and you see somebody and
you get rid of that, I'd prefer you to not
have access to that side arm either. I think that's
(23:56):
a bad choice of something around the house in your
particular case. If that is the state that you are in,
so please.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Deal with that.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Explain to your new husband as to the emotions you've
been going through, and certainly get help, sit down with someone,
talk with somebody, and get these feelings out. I hear
peace in your heart as we finished our conversation today,
but there's still more there that you should deal with.
(24:29):
I think it's an ongoing process. Christina, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Hi, Hi there.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Program is awesome. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Oh, it's nice of you to say, how can I
help you answer a.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Lot of questions? Yes, Bible study last week we were
return on the subject of the difference between your soul
and your spirit, and I have to admit that I
thought they were both the same. And also brought up
was that animal and humans have a soul, but they
don't have a spirit. And the little s and the
(25:07):
big little s for spirit, oh boy, and the big
guess me mean the Holy Spirit in you. So I
am just really confused here.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well, it depends, Yeah, it depends how they're going. There's
something called a dichotomist or trichotomist. A dichotomist is someone
who breaks down the body dustly.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
You have a soul or.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Spirit, there's the same thing, interchangeable to a dichotomist, So
you have the immaterial part of the body, which is
the soul and spirit, and then you have the material part,
which is the flesh. The trichotomists break that down a
little bit more and think that the soul is different
from the spirit is different from the flesh. So there's
three parts of the body. So it's a huge kind
(25:57):
of argument that goes on, an in house argument that
goes on between Christians as to if they're you know
what they mean. And because of the use of the
different words when you're dealing with the psyche or the
breath of life, which is often translated soul versus the
Greek term numa, which means wind or breath, so spirit
(26:21):
can sometimes mean just the life that is in somebody
and that it's been breathed into them, and that soul
is too talking about the breath of life, but it's
in context of the immaterial part of the body, so
it really depends. It sounds like you're dealing with trichotomists.
You're dealing with a group of people that believe that
(26:43):
the soul and spirit are different, different parts of the
immaterial life, and obviously flesh is different from those things.
This Bible study.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Is it attached to your church, yes, which is.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Non denominational Bible believing Christian church.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Gotcha, Well, it just might. It just might be there.
They're drothers. It just might be what they believe.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
There is.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Many that don't believe in the the trichotomists breakdown, and
that really when it's talking about spirit or soul and
scripture that they're kind of interchangeable depending on the context.
So no, please.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Go ahead, if there is a difference between soul and spirit,
would it be your spirit that goes to heaven or.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, just to show all the cards of this show
and not everybody's going to agree with us that it
is the stance of this show. And my producer Neil,
who happens to be a dichotomist, he doesn't believe that
their spirit and soul are separate. They're the same thing
used differently in scripture at times for different reasons, but
they're the same thing. So so that's that's where we
(28:01):
land on this particular show. And Neil's always open to,
you know, other ideas and good argumentation, but really for
the purpose of the show, that's kind of where we land.
I thank you so much. Be with us every single Sunday,
same time, same place, and remember, more importantly than all
the nuttiness in the world, these simple words, I Am
(28:21):
with you
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Always, KF I am six forty on demand
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