What Are You Wearing

What Are You Wearing
The Satanic Bible
Horses in Heaven

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. So
tonight's a big night out in Hollywood, California. Of course,
tonight is the Oscars. There's a big night in Hollywood
as that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences

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celebrate the achievements of those in the film industry big
to do. Maybe you've heard about it. So here is
an industry that is, without a doubt, overflowing with talent,
gifts and abilities, and some of these abilities, and these

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gifts honed for decades, the specific crafts and focus of
each of these these players, from special effects artists to
musicians to the actors themselves honed. They'll get dressed up,

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put on their best, some of them walk down the
red carpet to be acknowledged for all their hard work.
And what is the question that you will hear most tonight?
Who are you wearing? Seems silly and superficial, doesn't it.

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And you think that those that are being honored for
all of their hard work, their dedication to this craft,
that they would be offended that they've been reduced down
to a fleshy mannequin. And that made me think about

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questions you can tell a lot about a person. By
the questions they ask, you can see if they are
seekers of truth, are they wasters of time? Do they
have an agenda? All by the questions they ask. You
ask questions, people ask questions of you. We answer questions

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every single Sunday right here. But you can tell when
there is that genuine desire to know or to be corrected,
or to understand, or to propel themselves forward versus someone
who has no desire to learn from the question, or

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doesn't even understand the weight of the situation and reduces
it down to something simple, way too simple. They just
want to waste time, or they have an agenda. Two
thousand years ago, the religious leaders used to question used

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questions like should we pay taxes to try and trap
me into giving an answer that would make me either
lose favor with the Jewish people or land me in
jail with Romans. So what did this tell us about
these religious leaders? What can we learn by the questions

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they asked? Well, this showed that the Pharisees weren't interested
in finding true answers. They had their own agenda, and
they used questions as weapons. In John twenty twenty five,
Thomas essentially asked to see physical evidence of my resurrection.

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Now this tells you that Thomas wasn't just a doubter,
as everyone says, but a thinker, so as a person
of reason, not swayed just by common thought. And that
gets pushed aside sometimes in this story of Thomas. But
really what Thomas wanted was not to just go with

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the flow, not to just be swayed by what everyone
else was thinking, but to try and understand, at the
best of his ability, what was going on and why
and what it meant. Although people refer to Thomas as

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a doubter, really what Thomas was doing was wanting more understanding,
more evidence, more insight. Also confusing is that a lot
of people take out of context my response saying that
I was somehow rebuking Thomas for asking. No, I said
he was blessed for asking and seeing and believing. But

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I said, more blest are those that will believe without seeing,
because I wasn't always going to be walking around, not
in that way in the same sense. And here I
was commending Thomas for what he had done, but saying
that others will have to do it with less tangible

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physical evidence. In front of them. Interestingly enough, the first
question in the Bible comes from Satan as the serpent
in Genesis three to one, when he asks Eve if
God told her not to eat from any tree in

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the garden. This shows how the enemy himself uses what
seems like a simple, harmless question to plant seeds of
doubt in the heads of God's creation. That reminds me
of the words of a rabbi who once said, it's

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not important whether the serpent could talk, but what the
serpent had to say. I know that there's oftentimes, as
a believer, that you'll get questions. People will come to
you and ask questions, and you should be as best
equipped as you can be to answer them. However, a

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question you can't answer or don't know the answer to
doesn't automatically make it false. You don't win by forfeit.
When it comes to intellectuality. The answer still remains somewhere,
even if it's not one that you have readily at yourself.

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And I know that you desire to answer the questions
that are asked of you. But as a practice from
now on, when someone asks you a question, be prepared
to answer it. But prior to doing so, run through
your head why the questions being asked? You hear me
do that here on the program all the time. There's
times where somebody will ask a question and I'll ask

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them why they're asking it because of the context that's important.
Majority of the time, the way we work here, you
can hear that the questions are true. They're honest people
seeking and wanting to know the answer. Every once in
a while you'll get somebody who is looking, hoping for

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a different answer and aren't very excited when they get
the one. It's true. So Satan in the form of
the Serpent, asks the first question, and it sets up
this playground throughout scripture where there are those that use

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questions in this human interaction what should be a healthy
dialogue as a tool to get something that they want.
But that doesn't mean necessarily the answer, and there's nothing
wrong with that in certain context as well, there are
times where you use questions to teach or to a

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sort of extract something from the situation, and that can
be healthy and productive as well. But intent and motivation
to the purpose of your question. I think it's also
healthy for you to ask yourself from time to time,

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why are you asking the questions that you ask, are
they really to get an answer? I asked questions in
the Bible all the time. Often I used questions teach
people something about themselves or to lead them to the truth.
I used questions to point out the hypocrisy of the

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religious leaders of my day and those in denial about
the sin in their lives. But the most important question
I asked in Scripture is the most important question of
all to those who seek the truth. When I asked,
over and over and over again, who do you say

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that I am Ryan? Welcome to Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Show Hi, How are you?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I am well?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
How are you doing good?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
How can I help you?

Speaker 2 (09:50):
My question was about a friend of mine is Is.
He's a good Christian. He's been holding on to the
Satanic Bible now for a couple of years. He looks
into it and I want to question him about you know,
why are you reading this? His response was to understand

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what the enemy is trying to do with the world,
and curious, is that something that should be avoided altogether,
being that it is a totally evil book, or is
that something that could be approached academically.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
It absolutely can be approached academically, but with high caution.
The book The Satanic Bible was published in nineteen sixty
nine by Anton Levy. What a lot of people don't
know that Anton Leavey was not necessarily a theistic Satanist.
He was a philosophical Satanist. He basically did not believe
in God or the Devil to begin with. So it's

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not what it seems to be at first. Do I
recommend reading the Satanic Bible or reading the Necronomicon or
things like that. Absolutely not. Is there a time and
a place for reading them for some Yeah, because for instance,
my producer Neil, when he was studying theology, he absolutely

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read it. But he treated the books with great respect
in the sense that did not leave them out for
public consumption, did not read them at certain times of
the day, always read them under the deepest of prayer
and reverence to God, and then when was done, made

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sure they went back into storage and that was that.
But it was part of a particular study and understanding.
And there are going to be those that do that
the average individual, average person have a need to read these, No,
really don't. I mean, you do get some insight, but
really it's not even insight to the enemy because so

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much because Anton Levy didn't believe in the enemy. There
are certain insightful things that you can come across as
to the observation of somebody who rejects God in this
particular context. But it's very specific and it would not
be something that would be recommended unless it was part
of your Christian theological studies for some reason. And even

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then I would say do it under much prayer and
spiritual guidance and not you know, alone by yourself. The
book's not going to hurt you in any way, shape
or form, but it does open up ideas and thoughts
that can potentially be dangerous. Hi, Nancy, Welcome to the

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Jesus Christ Show. Hi, how are you? I'm good? How
can I help you?

Speaker 3 (12:52):
I was talking to your girl as that I was
told why, um, fortunately horses, and I was told by
one of the guys that was working on the trail,
who was a born again Christian, that they have no
souls and that I would never you know, my horse

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while she dies, I wish she would never. She would
just die and there's no place in heaven for animals.
And I was kind of drawn by that, and I
just wanted to ask you.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
If that is true, Well, there's a lot of things
going on in that statement. I want to make sure
that we parse as much of it as we can. First,
the concept of soul is different depending on its usage.
There are times in scripture where it's referring the word
that's used in Hebrew is actually referring to the the

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life breath of something or the living the livingness of
a creature, And in that sense that definitely does apply
to an animal, and sometimes, but usually, in that case,
it's not translated soul is translated life. For instance, that
people are supposed to take care of their animals and

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treat them well. And it says in scripture that the
righteous person takes care of the needs of their animals,
but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel, like
bad people do bad things to animals, good people do
good things to animals kind of thing. And the words
used in there actually talk about the life breath of

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an animal, like protecting the life breath of an animal,
and in that case it uses a word that sometimes
is translated soul. However, having said that animals are not
the same as humans, they are and there is a distinct.
That's why if your horse, heaven forbid, ever trampled somebody,
they wouldn't go to jail for murder. They're instinctual, right,

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they do things based on instinct. There was a story
that a woman died and she had a few dogs,
and the dogs, after a few days, started to consume her. Now,
there are people that love their animals, and if they
were starving, they would be hard pressed to eat their animals.

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But animals don't think the same way. They're different creatures
than humans. And I know that. You know, with evolution
and everything else, the assumption is everyone tries to make
humans just a bigger, better, animal, and that's not the case.
There's something truly different about humans versus the animal kingdom.
So having said all of that, the only thing that

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I point to as being a problem is that he
said that there's no way animals can be in heaven,
and that's not necessarily true. Even in the Book of Revelation,
it talks about the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, right, well,
where are those horses coming from? Where are those horsemen
coming from? A good Well, what I'm saying is they're

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not coming from the earth. So that means that that
in that context, they're they're a physical appearance of a
spiritual creature. So to say that there is no animals
in heaven is not a fair statement because you just
don't know. What you can say is that animals don't
go to heaven the same way humans do through a

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process of redemption. Otherwise, as Christ, I would have had
to have come and died on the cross, as every
breed of animal as well, or every type of ailab.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, I'm sorry to but I don't believe animals. I
don't believe humans have to have unconditional love as animals.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Oh, animals do have do have conditional love. They absolutely
are conditional. Stop feeding them, Stop feeding them, and that
animal will not love you. Really, Stop feeding your animals,
stop taking care of them, and see how they treat you. Animal.
If all animals had unconditional love, that would mean for everybody.

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That means dogs wouldn't bark or be leery of anybody
that came to the door. That means they would lick strangers.
That means that they would be loving and kind to anybody,
regardless of their owner, because it would be unconditional right,
And that's not true. You can get your lovely horses
to do things that other people can't. It's most certainly conditional.

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Here's a big o fifty cent word called anthropomorphism. It's
when you apply human attributes to something that's not human.
And a lot of people do this with their animals,
and it's not necessarily healthy. They're not human. They're different.
That's why you're telling them what to do, and you're
locking them in a stable and you go into the
warm bed at night. There's a difference between the two.

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And really the synergy between humans and animals is what scripture,
the scripture I just read in Proverbs is, and that
is that you must treat them well. They are creations
of God, absolutely, but they're different than humans. And so
the sole question gets into a lot of deep theological conversation.

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But the truth of the matter is it never says
in scripture that animals won't be in heaven. It just
says that throughout the narrative that there's no way for
an animal to be redeemed by the blood and the
cross the same way a human is, and that they
are instinctual animals and they will rely on self preservation

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and dealing with that. That's why they will walk away
from one of their own litter if necessary, if it
would preserve their own life. They won't necessarily go into
a burning building either. Humans will. Humans will do things
that are illogical because it's the right thing to do morally.
Animals don't react more. They don't do something because it's

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right or wrong. They do something because there's reward or consequence.
So there are differences, but that's not to say that
they won't If these animals bring you joy. There's nothing
that says in scripture that they couldn't be in heaven
by God's sheer will, not by some redemptive process, but
by God's sheer will. And that's where I think that

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the person you were talking to kind of stepped on
some things that aren't clear in scripture, and that's not
fair either. But does an animal go to heaven based
on praying and a relationship with God and all that? No,
not the same way, not the same sense. Therefore, their
soul is not the same thing. You mean when you're

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talking about a human soul, it's merely talking about there
that they are a living creature that breathes and has instinct.
But as a human, you have intellect, will and emotion
and you reason through things and make choice is based
on that which is morally right or morally wrong. An
animal doesn't do that. An animal doesn't care about morals

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or right or wrong. An animal simply cares about eating, sleeping,
and procreating. And some people may argue, well so do men,
but that's not the point. Their animals are different. Does
that make sense?

Speaker 3 (20:23):
It makes sense. It's a it's a it's a very
I didn't know. I did not know. I thought for sure. Yeah,
I guess I humanize them too much as well. But interesting, But.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
You don't want it to be ugly either. And I'm
not a fan of when Christians go mamor or man
your animals not that's that's not a fair statement either.
The truth of the matter is those animals could be
there with you in heaven, absolutely, but it's the process
is not the same as humans. They are not humans.
And understanding that is to not belittle animals. It's actually

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it's actually to respect them in their proper form and
their proper purpose on this planet, and in doing so,
treating them well. There's nothing more disgusting than when you
see people that treat animals as things. That is not
what I'm saying, and if that's what people get out
of this, they are hearing it absolutely and totally incorrectly

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that it's merely saying that. Theologically, there is nothing that
states that's why animals in scripture were used as sacrifice
at times, because they did have value on one sense,
but were not the same value as a human on
the other. And that's the truth of it, which is,
you know why some animals are used to eat and

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for food, but humans would never be. And there's a
balance between those things. And when I say it's a
bad thing to overhumanize an animal, I think that can
be very damaging. I think that socially as well, it
can be a problem. You know, people joke about the
cat lady or this type of thing. Well, there's there's
a point where some people don't want to interact with humans.

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And because humans can reject or humans are actually thinking
through a process, and you have to think about that.
Whereas an animal you just kind of go, well, as
long as I feed it and take care of it,
it's going to love me. Well, then you start thinking
that animals are somehow superior to humans and this and that,

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And the truth is, as I said, the animal would
eat you. And the whole point is that you are
to be the master and protector of the animal. And
a lot of people don't get that. They don't treaty.
They get animals because they're fuzzy and they want to
have them around. And then you know, the kid once
one or they saw a movie with an animal in it,

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and so now they want and then they don't understand
the responsibility and it's just kind of there and they
feed it and whatever. If you're going to have an
animal in your life, you have to take care of
it and give it love and attention and protection and
all of those things. And if you don't, it's a

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slap in the face of God, who created the animal
to begin with. However, if you elevate the animal to
that of your children, then you've done a great disservice
to your children and the humans that God created in
your life as well. Dave, how can I help you?

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Wow, big question.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
I'll try to keep it short. I grew up in
the Catholic religion and all that stuff, and I felt
like I really had a good relationship with God. I
always talked to God, I always felt God was there.
I still feel God is there. But I just my

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heart has hardened over my life because I've kind of
just gone on with life and done my own thing
and gotten away from Jesus.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
That'll do it.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah, And now it's like I want to have that relationship.
I've stopped what I was doing. I worked in a
prison for or twenty three years.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
So noble and hard work.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Well it was, but I always felt Jesus was there
protecting me. I always felt like there was, you know,
a relationship, but the relationship was up to me, you know,
to Jesus never left. I left, you know what I'm saying.
And now that I've had time to kind of stop
and take a breath in life, I feel like I

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don't know how to get that relationship it back.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Oh but you do, and I know it seems difficult,
but it's like it's like anything else that things that
are alive always do three things. They eat, they sleep,
and they give waste. Everything that's alive and living relationships
need to do the same thing. They need to consume newness,

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they need to rest or have times to contemplate that contemplate,
the contemplate the relationship and the new things that are learned,
and you need to give waste. You need to get
rid of the things that are non productive. So you've
already listed things as you've been talking that weren't productive,
certain things that took you away. Didn't get specific, but
she said there were some things that kind of took
you off the path. You already realized that it wasn't

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God who moved. And it's like standing in front of
a mountain and then all of a sudden opening your eyes, going, well,
the mountain moved. No, I'm pretty sure it's you that move.
The mountains still there, and that's the truth. So you
have all those truths. You know what it's like if
you were in a relationship where the fire started to dwindle,

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you would have to rekindle it. And by doing that
is to explore first and foremost the you know, the
huge sixty five plus book love letter written to you
over a span of fourteen hundred years, buy around forty
authors and three different languages and three different continents and

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times of peace and times of war. And you open
that up and if you're not sure, that's that dusty
thing in the drawer.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Right, Yeah, you get been doing that. I just don't
know where to start there either.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Why not start at the beginning?

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Yeah, I know what.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
It seems a little dull at first, but it picks
up after Leviticus. It's a matter of breathing life. If
you only want little morsels, then then go into Proverbs
and read little morsels for now. If you want to
jump to the Gospels and start in Matthew and see
you know from the then start there. But the fact

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is there is the relationship is still there, and it's
still breathing. Otherwise you wouldn't have called Dave. You wouldn't
have even cared. It's a matter of rekindling that. And
what what do you do to start a fire? You
start with the true kindling, which is the smallest parts,
and you make sure those get heat first, and then
that heat transfers to the larger wood and larger larger twigs,

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and then it to the logs, and then you have
a bonfire. And you have to start in those small
areas and find a good church. Find a church that
seems to speak to you and the people seem to
accept you and want you to be involved. Most churches
will have beginners classes. Maybe reignite that way. Learn again,

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why you fell in love in the first place with God,
and start to rekindle that stuff and let God speak
to you. And then you call me back in a
couple of weeks, and I will tell you that that
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