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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand. Claudia, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Oh Hi, Jesus Hi health.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
The other day.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm an older mom, single mom, and I have a
beautiful twenty eight year old son with severe cerebral palsy.
He's got a double curved spine, non verbal, in diapers,
and I've had to place him in a home that
I and I live close by and support care. Now
he's he's twenty eight years old, and I'm just returning
(00:34):
to my faith after many years. And I was just
looking at a lot of these healing scriptures I had
in my original Bible, and where Jesus, you know, used
to pull a besada and mud and spittle.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
And what does the point when a person gets to
the point where faith, hope and prayer for you know,
their loved one ne's sick or afflicted. I don't know
where to get to strength any more?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Where do you go? And faith helping prayer just don't
seem to be enough.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Well, when you say that it is too much, what
part of it is weighs the heaviest to you.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's crushing to see your child like that, to see
them you know, suffer in many ways and handled by strangers,
and yeah, there was a lot of stuffering. He revolved
for him and he can't tell me with words. I
(01:41):
think a lot of the times he's not suffering. But
the seizures have returned, which it's been twenty five years.
And I was always told, well, once God heals something,
it's done, and that was in a Pentecostal church at
the time, which was fine. But so it's twenty five
six years later and they came back, not strong, but
(02:01):
so I think it's very heartbreaking, and that's a lot
of years. I was also just being an axe nine
thirty three where is it an? And Peter found a
certain man name is it Anius a Naeus Annius an Anius,
And he kept his bed eight years and was sick
with the palsy, and Peter said, Jesus Christ, make it
(02:24):
the whole like that's eight years is a long time.
But I'm not going on twenty eight years, and I
need to keep the strength to keep going.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Are you spending any time with yourself?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Are you doing things that you enjoy?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Probably not enough that I enjoyed, but I'm in school
full time and probably could do a little bit more
of things I actually enjoy, like outdoors.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, you need to rejuven yourself to have strength for him.
You're kind of living for two people here, and in
that process you have to build yourself up to have
the strength to impart that strength to him. You are
the only constant, and you are a pillar in his life,
(03:21):
and that constant is important.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It is.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It is a different life, most certainly, and there's going
to be times where yes, he's in pain, or he's frustrated,
or he's experiencing something, But the reality is he's not
known different. He's this that is his life. But the
constant there, the one thing that is constant in the
(03:48):
ups and downs of his illness is mom and what
you're going through, the bravery that you have and the
just description and to hold strength when all those things
so beautifully put to see someone that you love being
handled by strangers, and to go through all of that.
(04:11):
How long has he been in this facility?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
He just changed into a different home about two weeks ago,
so about I think approximately eight years. I had to
put him in a home.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And that's so that he get the care that he needs.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yes, I couldn't handle it on my own anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, because his body grows and he gets bigger and older,
but still has the same constraints, and to have to
help him in and out of everything and all those
things is a huge burden for anyone, let alone a
single mother. So that's an you've come to terms obviously
(04:52):
after eight years, that was a necessity. You're not abandoning him,
you know that, correct? Okay, yes, good. So really it's
about you reviving yourself to be that strength for him
and to pray for strength for yourself to not be
taken down by the imagery or the concerns that you mentioned,
(05:14):
and being taken care of by strangers, all of those things.
This is what it is. And I know the Pentecostal
Church was telling you once God heals something and all
that stuff, but really the reality is in this world,
there is pain in this world. There is suffering in
this world. There is sickness, and your son is sick,
(05:35):
and that is Yes. God can do miracles, most certainly,
but God also uses these things to strengthen one another
and to show the preciousness of life as it stands.
And it sounds to me like you're dealing with it wonderfully.
That's a very heavy burden, and for whatever reason, God
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believed that you could handle this burden and therefore it's
at your feet. Is an important one. So it's time
for you to spend time with yourself, to keep yourself,
you know, to live life in a way that you
can bring that. It's kind of like you are a
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lifeline to the outside for your son, and if you're
not living that, if you're not experiencing those things, you're
not bringing that in with you when you visit him,
when you spend time with him, And so it might
seem selfish, but it really isn't. You end up bringing
those things to him, and he sees them and he
smells them and and he can touch them when they
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come in via you. You are his conduit to what's
going on in the world, and that's important for him. Okay,
So I know there's a lot going on. But when
you pray, it's like people pray, you know, hey, I
wish this burden was gone, or I wish he was well.
(07:06):
All those things are fine, and they're great to pray for,
but really you need to pray for peace and strength
for yourself to be able to bring that to him
when you see him, and that he is able to
recognize it and to pray peace upon him in a
time of fear or anything like that. It's tough, but
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it's something that you've lived with for this long. Each
year it might change a little bit as to who
he is or what his needs are, and you love
him regardless. You love him through whatever he's going through
at any time, just like you would with any child
in any situation. It doesn't change because his particular illness.
(07:53):
You just be mom to the best of your ability
and don't beat yourself up for anything.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
That's kind of a hard one, but yeah, it's a
long roaded Uh. Why do we hang things like I
hang I have a rosary hung above his head. You know,
there's really nothing in that rosary, but for some reason,
it makes me feel peace that it's above his bead.
You know. I kind of want you to know your
(08:35):
thoughts on that kind of thing. And I have a
scripture about Andrew, who's like patience and enduring and they
that wait upon the Lord. I think it is for
the for Andrew and the Bible and that kind of thing,
but really they're just would yes.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But to you, it's it's not about it being would
It's about it being a symbol that you know God
is watching over him as well. Okay, that you're sing Mother,
but you're not alone. And I think that's it. I
think that's a beautiful and important symbol. You're not putting
it up there because it's magic. You're putting it up
(09:12):
there because you're you know, flying a flag doesn't make
you more American. It merely shows others that you are,
that you believe in the structure of the United States,
and that you want the best for the United States.
It's not magic. It's cloth, and as same with a cross,
or same with any symbolism. It's showing that you stay
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united with a belief and an understanding. And when you
put rosaries above his bed, or you put a cross
above his bed, you're saying, not only is Mommy with you,
but so is Father God, and that we are never alone,
and more importantly than me watching over you all the time,
(09:59):
so is God. And I think that's a beautiful sentiment,
and sometimes, quite honestly, you know, you need to utilize
that and lean on that. You can think of it
that way as well. Whenever there's a burden, you have. Symbolically,
you can put it into that rosary. When you visit,
(10:21):
you put it into that rosary and you give it
to God. Symbolically, you take those burdens off your shoulder
and you give them to God, and you let God
handle that, and you let God help you love that boy. Okay,
but I'm serious about beating yourself up. You need to
find time for yourself. Take a deep breath, find joy
(10:44):
in life, and that will bring that sunshine to him
every time you see him. Otherwise, you bring the burden
and he knows and he sees it and he feels
it because he's more connected with you than anybody else.
And the happy year you are, and the more life
you have insight you, the more life you bring to
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him every single time. Clinton, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Hey, good morning. How are you?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I am well? How are you?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Sir?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Well? I could be better? You know, I got a
two part question for you. Okay, I'm going through service
and whatnot. You know, I've been hearing the pastors always saying,
you know, the the second coming of uh Ecu, and
but you know what, in going through the passages and whatnot,
(11:43):
I had read that that Okay, that just came down
and visited Abraham, and then I figured that's that's the
first step. And then then the Firth and you know, Bethlehem,
and then also after the resurrection, coming back down to
(12:05):
visit Mary and and whatnot. I'm wondering, you know, when
when the phrase comes around for for the second coming.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
How.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
How I mean, are you trying to say that there's
more than I've been here multiple times?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Not?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
It won't just be the second time. Well, because the
eight when you get into the Old Testament stuff, you're
dealing with something called a theophony or a christophany, and
that's the appearance of Me prior to birth. That's that's different.
That's different.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Now I'm now I'm wondering. You know, I had been
reading that that the next time that our Lord comes down,
it's going to be in through Uh like in Revelations,
you know where it's it's aphidement.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yes, in the in the Book of Revelation, it talks
about the the second Coming, and that's that's post that's
post resurrection. It's not counting every single time. Uh, it's
talking about post resurrection and uh, sending into heaven. It's
(13:35):
talking about coming back again after that. I know that
that does sound a little confusing, but that's that's the
reality it's based on. On that. Not every appearance dealing
with like I said, the pre incarnate Christ, which is
called a christophany, and those are times that prior to
birth in the flesh that the Sun, the second person
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of the Trinity, has appeared in scripture in one form
or the other, but that's not counting in the same
way in the same sense. Vic. Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Chick Morning.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Jesus Hi, Vic, how can I help you?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Well, I'd like some words of comfort that he if
you may provide them. About a year and a half ago,
my twenty eight year old son, who is a law
student and two months away from getting his law degree
and was on the Dean's list for complex legal analysis,
committed suicide. He left a note, and the note started
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up by saying, may God forgive me for what I
am about to do, and ended the note saying there
is much evil.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
In the world.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Focus on the good and the beauty. When we were
able to get into his laptop, we found that on
the day he committed the suicide, he had done research
beginning in the morning on Christian views on suicide and uh,
we're Armenian, We're army in uh race. And as you know,
(15:16):
the Armenian race, Armenians were the first except Christianity as
a nation. M I'm hoping that he will be forgiven
because as he read online that distress minds in distorted minds, Uh,
(15:38):
you know, are a reason that God would forgive uh
the act of suicide. And I guess that gave him
the green light to do it. He was he was
first an officer, and then he decided to go to
law school, so he had the means, he had the
(15:59):
web and then he did it on a Sunday, and
we didn't know whether it was depression or anxiety or
a combination or the medications he was taken. He just
shut off his phone at three o'clock and at ten
o'clock that evening, you know, he committed the act. And
(16:23):
you know, I'm hoping God will forgive him for that.
I think, you know, I'm praying that he will because
that's the only thing we have left to cling on too.
And one to get your views on that.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Well, the weight of the situation is a great one.
I understand that to have something like that, and even
you giving the list of accolades and strengths and the
trajectory of his life and then ending I love that
(16:59):
you are honoring him as a person and not just
as the way he died. But something was troubling him,
and did he talk specifically about what it was or
he was.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
He was delusional.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
There was times where he would say things that were
plausible but out of the ordinary. We never thought that
he would take it to this extent, obviously, because he
was such a brilliant man, young man. He was handsome,
he had he was a center of attention. When he
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entered a room, he was the first to go to
somebody and pick him up and bring him to the
party and make sure that nobody was alone and everybody
was having a good time. He just felt for everybody
and he just had a great following. And we never suspected.
I mean, he was quiet at times. He would go
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to his room and watch videos, you know, normal things.
When he would be home from school and San Diego,
he would do the normal things. So nothing prepared this
for this.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But you say that he was delusional, he will feel
that he had some mental issues. That weren't showing themselves
in their fullness until it was too late.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Yes, he in his notes, he says he wrote us
a full nut page note, and he says, I've been
delusional these past few weeks. And when I found out,
I knew what had to be done. And I'm thinking
that he found out three days ago, three days before
he committed the actor, when his brother entered the house late,
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and he slept with his guns. For some reason, he
had thoughts of people were after him.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
He would see people.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
He would think, you so to see people staring at him,
and you know kind of you know, being on a
way that they're always observing him. And he thought that
because he had been on the police force, that somebody
outside where he may have arrested a while back, may
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have come back to hurt the family. So in a way,
what we're thinking, putting the pieces together, is he died
as a martyr protecting us. Because when my son, my
younger son came home that night so late, my older
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son jumped up and grabbed his gun in his bed
and said, I could have killed you. You know, it
just spooked him, you know, So he had trouble sleeping.
There was nights where you know, he just couldn't sleep
and he was taking a medication that they've taken schools
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to stay up and study. And I think it was
a cataclysmic collision of all of these you know, events
taking place and it just came to an end on
that day. He turned off his phone, so there's no
way we could get a hold of him or anything.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So I just yeah, he was determined, very determined. Well,
I'm so sorry. I know that this weighs on you
and your family, Vic, and that people when they participate
in the act of suicide sometimes to alleviate pain, they
end up passing on that pain to everyone else who lives.
(20:46):
And I know that that is a heavy burden to bear.
Now about the theology part of it, So here's the
dilemma I have. As you told the story of your
son's struggle and that he had done some research about
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the theological ramifications of the act of suicide, you said
that some of the studies that he did probably gave
him the okay to do it. Yes, yes, so you
can understand my dilemma that when it comes to the
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theology behind this is my concern is giving a theological
answer that somebody would hear as a green light to
do it. So I will say that the act of
suicide is self murder. Murder can be forgiven. The assumption
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is that suicide could be forgiven. The concern there theologically
is that one can repent from murder, but you can't
repent from suicide because you've cut off all options. Right
having said that God is not bound to the time continuum,
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and as it says in scriptures, a day is as
a thousand years, in a thousand years as a day,
that there is moments in the process of one leaving
their body that certainly there can be connection with God
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and a point of turning away from the weight or understanding.
And therefore no one knows. But there's no reason to
believe that it's an automatic sentence to hell, although there
are some people of faith that believe that that is
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not the state of this program. So I will say
that although I believe that it can be forgiven, the
weight of it is measured upon the individual case. In
this case, it might truly be a mental disorder that
showed itself in the end in which he's he's not
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capable of processing what he's doing, or the weight of
what he's doing because of paranoia, because of delusions and
things that were going on.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
So I believe that too. I believe that, you know,
he wouldn't have done this otherwise because we're just a
We were a four person loving family.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I have no doubt.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
You know, we are just always there for each other.
It's just hard to imagine that, you know. It's easier
to imagine if there were troubles.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Sure, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Then you can stand point and put your finger on
and say, Okay, he was that was the reason, or
she was the reason, or this was the reason. But
in this case, you know, he had it all. He
had a brilliant career ahead of him, he had a
beautiful girlfriend that you know, and he had a life
to look forward to, and it just shorts. I think
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his mind just short circuited, and he was determined, as
you said, to do what he had to do, but
to protect us. And that's why I call him my martyr.
And I firmly believe that.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I'm glad that you don't you look towards his life
and not towards his death to define him. I think
that's wonderful. I just to close the loop on the
theology part is there are different beliefs. It is the
belief of this program that God is bigger than any sin,
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and therefore the blood on the cross can cover it.
There is some major concerns I attach to that as
I'm sure you would agree that people should not use
that as a green light to do this act, because
it is probably one of the most insanely intense and
(25:27):
saddening acts to God, because it is taking away the
free gift of life and the grace that comes with it,
and with that is a very weighty proposition to be
sitting there and saying I'm going to throw away this
gift of life that God has given. So I, by
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no means want people to take that theological response as
an okay to do such a heinous act that really
spreads the pain to the rest of the family loved
ones that have to experience life without that individual. But
know that God is bigger than all of these things,
VIC and that you should know that everything that can
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be done was done, and that God loves him more
than you ever could and did everything possible to make
sure that He is with him in heaven. Life on
this planet can be exhausting, fear inducing, and difficult to
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see hope and faith through the fog and haze of
the intensity of the news and the happenings across the planet.
And it is very easy to get caught up in
all of the ugliness and the sadness and feel deep despair.
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But that's where faith should shine. And if it wasn't
for the faithful, if it wasn't for those that have hope,
then all would be lost. But things aren't hope less
until people are without hope, until you, as an individual,
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are without hope. So whenever I get asked about, well,
how you know do I get through this? Or how
why is the world going down this direction? Or does
it mean Armageddon's coming or any of these things, that
the reality is as long as there's hope, as long
as each individual you listening practice daily hope seeing the
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silver lining, not being paullyanna, not being unrealistic, but having
that faith, that faith that's put into practice, and its
value only coming from that belief. Faith, belief, trust, hope.
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All of these things are different words for the same thing.
And so I ask of you as your homework for
this week, is to find ways not only to have hope,
but to share it because for every dark, ugly thing
you hear in the news, I assure you there are wonderful,
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beautiful things that are happening all over the world. Babies
are being born, people are overcoming adversity. There is wonderful,
wonderful things taking place that you should be proud and
excited about, that you should share as equally. I know
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when it comes to social media that bad ugly news
travels fast, but it's your job to be the light
and the structure of hope in a world that feels hopeless.
And more importantly than all these things that are weighing
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you down in life, remember these simple words. I Am
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You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand. Claudia, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Oh Hi, Jesus Hi health.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
The other day.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm an older mom, single mom, and I have a
beautiful twenty eight year old son with severe cerebral palsy.
He's got a double curved spine, non verbal, in diapers,
and I've had to place him in a home that
I and I live close by and support care. Now
he's he's twenty eight years old, and I'm just returning
(00:34):
to my faith after many years. And I was just
looking at a lot of these healing scriptures I had
in my original Bible, and where Jesus, you know, used
to pull a besada and mud and spittle.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
And what does the point when a person gets to
the point where faith, hope and prayer for you know,
their loved one ne's sick or afflicted. I don't know
where to get to strength any more?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Where do you go? And faith helping prayer just don't
seem to be enough.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Well, when you say that it is too much, what
part of it is weighs the heaviest to you.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's crushing to see your child like that, to see
them you know, suffer in many ways and handled by strangers,
and yeah, there was a lot of stuffering. He revolved
for him and he can't tell me with words. I
(01:41):
think a lot of the times he's not suffering. But
the seizures have returned, which it's been twenty five years.
And I was always told, well, once God heals something,
it's done, and that was in a Pentecostal church at
the time, which was fine. But so it's twenty five
six years later and they came back, not strong, but
(02:01):
so I think it's very heartbreaking, and that's a lot
of years. I was also just being an axe nine
thirty three where is it an? And Peter found a
certain man name is it Anius a Naeus Annius an Anius,
And he kept his bed eight years and was sick
with the palsy, and Peter said, Jesus Christ, make it
(02:24):
the whole like that's eight years is a long time.
But I'm not going on twenty eight years, and I
need to keep the strength to keep going.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Are you spending any time with yourself?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Are you doing things that you enjoy?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Probably not enough that I enjoyed, but I'm in school
full time and probably could do a little bit more
of things I actually enjoy, like outdoors.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, you need to rejuven yourself to have strength for him.
You're kind of living for two people here, and in
that process you have to build yourself up to have
the strength to impart that strength to him. You are
the only constant, and you are a pillar in his life,
(03:21):
and that constant is important.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It is.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It is a different life, most certainly, and there's going
to be times where yes, he's in pain, or he's frustrated,
or he's experiencing something, But the reality is he's not
known different. He's this that is his life. But the
constant there, the one thing that is constant in the
(03:48):
ups and downs of his illness is mom and what
you're going through, the bravery that you have and the
just description and to hold strength when all those things
so beautifully put to see someone that you love being
handled by strangers, and to go through all of that.
(04:11):
How long has he been in this facility?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
He just changed into a different home about two weeks ago,
so about I think approximately eight years. I had to
put him in a home.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And that's so that he get the care that he needs.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yes, I couldn't handle it on my own anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, because his body grows and he gets bigger and older,
but still has the same constraints, and to have to
help him in and out of everything and all those
things is a huge burden for anyone, let alone a
single mother. So that's an you've come to terms obviously
(04:52):
after eight years, that was a necessity. You're not abandoning him,
you know that, correct? Okay, yes, good. So really it's
about you reviving yourself to be that strength for him
and to pray for strength for yourself to not be
taken down by the imagery or the concerns that you mentioned,
(05:14):
and being taken care of by strangers, all of those things.
This is what it is. And I know the Pentecostal
Church was telling you once God heals something and all
that stuff, but really the reality is in this world,
there is pain in this world. There is suffering in
this world. There is sickness, and your son is sick,
(05:35):
and that is Yes. God can do miracles, most certainly,
but God also uses these things to strengthen one another
and to show the preciousness of life as it stands.
And it sounds to me like you're dealing with it wonderfully.
That's a very heavy burden, and for whatever reason, God
(05:58):
believed that you could handle this burden and therefore it's
at your feet. Is an important one. So it's time
for you to spend time with yourself, to keep yourself,
you know, to live life in a way that you
can bring that. It's kind of like you are a
(06:22):
lifeline to the outside for your son, and if you're
not living that, if you're not experiencing those things, you're
not bringing that in with you when you visit him,
when you spend time with him, And so it might
seem selfish, but it really isn't. You end up bringing
those things to him, and he sees them and he
smells them and and he can touch them when they
(06:45):
come in via you. You are his conduit to what's
going on in the world, and that's important for him. Okay,
So I know there's a lot going on. But when
you pray, it's like people pray, you know, hey, I
wish this burden was gone, or I wish he was well.
(07:06):
All those things are fine, and they're great to pray for,
but really you need to pray for peace and strength
for yourself to be able to bring that to him
when you see him, and that he is able to
recognize it and to pray peace upon him in a
time of fear or anything like that. It's tough, but
(07:31):
it's something that you've lived with for this long. Each
year it might change a little bit as to who
he is or what his needs are, and you love
him regardless. You love him through whatever he's going through
at any time, just like you would with any child
in any situation. It doesn't change because his particular illness.
(07:53):
You just be mom to the best of your ability
and don't beat yourself up for anything.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
That's kind of a hard one, but yeah, it's a
long roaded Uh. Why do we hang things like I
hang I have a rosary hung above his head. You know,
there's really nothing in that rosary, but for some reason,
it makes me feel peace that it's above his bead.
You know. I kind of want you to know your
(08:35):
thoughts on that kind of thing. And I have a
scripture about Andrew, who's like patience and enduring and they
that wait upon the Lord. I think it is for
the for Andrew and the Bible and that kind of thing,
but really they're just would yes.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But to you, it's it's not about it being would
It's about it being a symbol that you know God
is watching over him as well. Okay, that you're sing Mother,
but you're not alone. And I think that's it. I
think that's a beautiful and important symbol. You're not putting
it up there because it's magic. You're putting it up
(09:12):
there because you're you know, flying a flag doesn't make
you more American. It merely shows others that you are,
that you believe in the structure of the United States,
and that you want the best for the United States.
It's not magic. It's cloth, and as same with a cross,
or same with any symbolism. It's showing that you stay
(09:36):
united with a belief and an understanding. And when you
put rosaries above his bed, or you put a cross
above his bed, you're saying, not only is Mommy with you,
but so is Father God, and that we are never alone,
and more importantly than me watching over you all the time,
(09:59):
so is God. And I think that's a beautiful sentiment,
and sometimes, quite honestly, you know, you need to utilize
that and lean on that. You can think of it
that way as well. Whenever there's a burden, you have. Symbolically,
you can put it into that rosary. When you visit,
(10:21):
you put it into that rosary and you give it
to God. Symbolically, you take those burdens off your shoulder
and you give them to God, and you let God
handle that, and you let God help you love that boy. Okay,
but I'm serious about beating yourself up. You need to
find time for yourself. Take a deep breath, find joy
(10:44):
in life, and that will bring that sunshine to him
every time you see him. Otherwise, you bring the burden
and he knows and he sees it and he feels
it because he's more connected with you than anybody else.
And the happy year you are, and the more life
you have insight you, the more life you bring to
(11:04):
him every single time. Clinton, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Hey, good morning. How are you?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I am well? How are you?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Sir?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Well? I could be better? You know, I got a
two part question for you. Okay, I'm going through service
and whatnot. You know, I've been hearing the pastors always saying,
you know, the the second coming of uh Ecu, and
but you know what, in going through the passages and whatnot,
(11:43):
I had read that that Okay, that just came down
and visited Abraham, and then I figured that's that's the
first step. And then then the Firth and you know, Bethlehem,
and then also after the resurrection, coming back down to
(12:05):
visit Mary and and whatnot. I'm wondering, you know, when
when the phrase comes around for for the second coming.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
How.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
How I mean, are you trying to say that there's
more than I've been here multiple times?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Not?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
It won't just be the second time. Well, because the
eight when you get into the Old Testament stuff, you're
dealing with something called a theophony or a christophany, and
that's the appearance of Me prior to birth. That's that's different.
That's different.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Now I'm now I'm wondering. You know, I had been
reading that that the next time that our Lord comes down,
it's going to be in through Uh like in Revelations,
you know where it's it's aphidement.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yes, in the in the Book of Revelation, it talks
about the the second Coming, and that's that's post that's
post resurrection. It's not counting every single time. Uh, it's
talking about post resurrection and uh, sending into heaven. It's
(13:35):
talking about coming back again after that. I know that
that does sound a little confusing, but that's that's the
reality it's based on. On that. Not every appearance dealing
with like I said, the pre incarnate Christ, which is
called a christophany, and those are times that prior to
birth in the flesh that the Sun, the second person
(13:59):
of the Trinity, has appeared in scripture in one form
or the other, but that's not counting in the same
way in the same sense. Vic. Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Chick Morning.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Jesus Hi, Vic, how can I help you?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Well, I'd like some words of comfort that he if
you may provide them. About a year and a half ago,
my twenty eight year old son, who is a law
student and two months away from getting his law degree
and was on the Dean's list for complex legal analysis,
committed suicide. He left a note, and the note started
(14:44):
up by saying, may God forgive me for what I
am about to do, and ended the note saying there
is much evil.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
In the world.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Focus on the good and the beauty. When we were
able to get into his laptop, we found that on
the day he committed the suicide, he had done research
beginning in the morning on Christian views on suicide and uh,
we're Armenian, We're army in uh race. And as you know,
(15:16):
the Armenian race, Armenians were the first except Christianity as
a nation. M I'm hoping that he will be forgiven
because as he read online that distress minds in distorted minds, Uh,
(15:38):
you know, are a reason that God would forgive uh
the act of suicide. And I guess that gave him
the green light to do it. He was he was
first an officer, and then he decided to go to
law school, so he had the means, he had the
(15:59):
web and then he did it on a Sunday, and
we didn't know whether it was depression or anxiety or
a combination or the medications he was taken. He just
shut off his phone at three o'clock and at ten
o'clock that evening, you know, he committed the act. And
(16:23):
you know, I'm hoping God will forgive him for that.
I think, you know, I'm praying that he will because
that's the only thing we have left to cling on too.
And one to get your views on that.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Well, the weight of the situation is a great one.
I understand that to have something like that, and even
you giving the list of accolades and strengths and the
trajectory of his life and then ending I love that
(16:59):
you are honoring him as a person and not just
as the way he died. But something was troubling him,
and did he talk specifically about what it was or
he was.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
He was delusional.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
There was times where he would say things that were
plausible but out of the ordinary. We never thought that
he would take it to this extent, obviously, because he
was such a brilliant man, young man. He was handsome,
he had he was a center of attention. When he
(17:37):
entered a room, he was the first to go to
somebody and pick him up and bring him to the
party and make sure that nobody was alone and everybody
was having a good time. He just felt for everybody
and he just had a great following. And we never suspected.
I mean, he was quiet at times. He would go
(18:01):
to his room and watch videos, you know, normal things.
When he would be home from school and San Diego,
he would do the normal things. So nothing prepared this
for this.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But you say that he was delusional, he will feel
that he had some mental issues. That weren't showing themselves
in their fullness until it was too late.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Yes, he in his notes, he says he wrote us
a full nut page note, and he says, I've been
delusional these past few weeks. And when I found out,
I knew what had to be done. And I'm thinking
that he found out three days ago, three days before
he committed the actor, when his brother entered the house late,
(18:47):
and he slept with his guns. For some reason, he
had thoughts of people were after him.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
He would see people.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
He would think, you so to see people staring at him,
and you know kind of you know, being on a
way that they're always observing him. And he thought that
because he had been on the police force, that somebody
outside where he may have arrested a while back, may
(19:16):
have come back to hurt the family. So in a way,
what we're thinking, putting the pieces together, is he died
as a martyr protecting us. Because when my son, my
younger son came home that night so late, my older
(19:38):
son jumped up and grabbed his gun in his bed
and said, I could have killed you. You know, it
just spooked him, you know, So he had trouble sleeping.
There was nights where you know, he just couldn't sleep
and he was taking a medication that they've taken schools
(20:01):
to stay up and study. And I think it was
a cataclysmic collision of all of these you know, events
taking place and it just came to an end on
that day. He turned off his phone, so there's no
way we could get a hold of him or anything.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So I just yeah, he was determined, very determined. Well,
I'm so sorry. I know that this weighs on you
and your family, Vic, and that people when they participate
in the act of suicide sometimes to alleviate pain, they
end up passing on that pain to everyone else who lives.
(20:46):
And I know that that is a heavy burden to bear.
Now about the theology part of it, So here's the
dilemma I have. As you told the story of your
son's struggle and that he had done some research about
(21:06):
the theological ramifications of the act of suicide, you said
that some of the studies that he did probably gave
him the okay to do it. Yes, yes, so you
can understand my dilemma that when it comes to the
(21:27):
theology behind this is my concern is giving a theological
answer that somebody would hear as a green light to
do it. So I will say that the act of
suicide is self murder. Murder can be forgiven. The assumption
(21:53):
is that suicide could be forgiven. The concern there theologically
is that one can repent from murder, but you can't
repent from suicide because you've cut off all options. Right
having said that God is not bound to the time continuum,
(22:17):
and as it says in scriptures, a day is as
a thousand years, in a thousand years as a day,
that there is moments in the process of one leaving
their body that certainly there can be connection with God
(22:38):
and a point of turning away from the weight or understanding.
And therefore no one knows. But there's no reason to
believe that it's an automatic sentence to hell, although there
are some people of faith that believe that that is
(22:59):
not the state of this program. So I will say
that although I believe that it can be forgiven, the
weight of it is measured upon the individual case. In
this case, it might truly be a mental disorder that
showed itself in the end in which he's he's not
(23:23):
capable of processing what he's doing, or the weight of
what he's doing because of paranoia, because of delusions and
things that were going on.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
So I believe that too. I believe that, you know,
he wouldn't have done this otherwise because we're just a
We were a four person loving family.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I have no doubt.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
You know, we are just always there for each other.
It's just hard to imagine that, you know. It's easier
to imagine if there were troubles.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Sure, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Then you can stand point and put your finger on
and say, Okay, he was that was the reason, or
she was the reason, or this was the reason. But
in this case, you know, he had it all. He
had a brilliant career ahead of him, he had a
beautiful girlfriend that you know, and he had a life
to look forward to, and it just shorts. I think
(24:23):
his mind just short circuited, and he was determined, as
you said, to do what he had to do, but
to protect us. And that's why I call him my martyr.
And I firmly believe that.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I'm glad that you don't you look towards his life
and not towards his death to define him. I think
that's wonderful. I just to close the loop on the
theology part is there are different beliefs. It is the
belief of this program that God is bigger than any sin,
(25:03):
and therefore the blood on the cross can cover it.
There is some major concerns I attach to that as
I'm sure you would agree that people should not use
that as a green light to do this act, because
it is probably one of the most insanely intense and
(25:27):
saddening acts to God, because it is taking away the
free gift of life and the grace that comes with it,
and with that is a very weighty proposition to be
sitting there and saying I'm going to throw away this
gift of life that God has given. So I, by
(25:49):
no means want people to take that theological response as
an okay to do such a heinous act that really
spreads the pain to the rest of the family loved
ones that have to experience life without that individual. But
know that God is bigger than all of these things,
VIC and that you should know that everything that can
(26:11):
be done was done, and that God loves him more
than you ever could and did everything possible to make
sure that He is with him in heaven. Life on
this planet can be exhausting, fear inducing, and difficult to
(26:40):
see hope and faith through the fog and haze of
the intensity of the news and the happenings across the planet.
And it is very easy to get caught up in
all of the ugliness and the sadness and feel deep despair.
(27:04):
But that's where faith should shine. And if it wasn't
for the faithful, if it wasn't for those that have hope,
then all would be lost. But things aren't hope less
until people are without hope, until you, as an individual,
(27:28):
are without hope. So whenever I get asked about, well,
how you know do I get through this? Or how
why is the world going down this direction? Or does
it mean Armageddon's coming or any of these things, that
the reality is as long as there's hope, as long
as each individual you listening practice daily hope seeing the
(27:57):
silver lining, not being paullyanna, not being unrealistic, but having
that faith, that faith that's put into practice, and its
value only coming from that belief. Faith, belief, trust, hope.
(28:23):
All of these things are different words for the same thing.
And so I ask of you as your homework for
this week, is to find ways not only to have hope,
but to share it because for every dark, ugly thing
you hear in the news, I assure you there are wonderful,
(28:44):
beautiful things that are happening all over the world. Babies
are being born, people are overcoming adversity. There is wonderful,
wonderful things taking place that you should be proud and
excited about, that you should share as equally. I know
(29:06):
when it comes to social media that bad ugly news
travels fast, but it's your job to be the light
and the structure of hope in a world that feels hopeless.
And more importantly than all these things that are weighing
(29:28):
you down in life, remember these simple words. I Am
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