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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
In the eighteen hundreds, Hans Christian Andersen wrote a short
tale with Great Insight. This tale was about two dishonest
weavers Maybe you remember it, I'm sure you do, claiming
to be creating this new suit made out of invisible
thread that was to be warned by the Emperor himself
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it's going to be his new duds. These two weavers
informed the Emperor that the suit is designed so that
it would only look invisible or appear invisible to those
who were not fit for their position in life, where
they were lacking competence or just plain stupid. The two
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weavers even went so far as to pretend to personally
dress the Emperor. They went through it all minding every
action of a real tailor as they went on their way.
Now I know you know the story. This point, everyone,
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even the Emperor, pretended not to see the suit. I mean,
if they saw the suit, he'd have to admit that
maybe he was not in the right station at life,
or maybe he was stupid, maybe he lacked competence, so
he didn't say anything. So everyone pretended not to see
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the suit, even though they could not just so they
would not appear to look incompetent or foolish. That's one
type of yes man. Yes man who doesn't want to
look silly or foolish or incompetent. That says yes or
concurs with everything, with the hopes of never never having
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the light shined on them pointing out their flaws. But
ultimately there's going to be someone, let's hope, someone so
bold to stand up. And in the case of the
Hans Christian Andersen story, ultimately it took the raw honesty
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of a child to stand up to yell out. The
emperor has no clothes, the man is naked. Nobody's seeing
that the man is naked. This lovely cautionary tale predates
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Andersen's writings, actually with Spanish, Arab and Jewish versions of sorts.
Why well, because the concept of going with the flow
or lying to get ahead has been around since the
beginning of time. This is nothing new.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So in a.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Child's fairy tale and a short story, the moral continues
to bash you on the head to try and teach you.
Zach Zeips, an American retired professor of German at the
University of Minnesota, wrote about Hans Christian Andersen and The
Emperor's New Clothes, saying it was a tale of the
(03:39):
courage of one's conviction and that sight becomes insight, which
in turn prompts action. You gotta love that. I'm very
well put. Essentially, if you see something wrong, speak up
and change it. In other words, don't yeah, yes man.
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The truth is that when people gain power by listening
to the honest criticisms of others, that's how they grow.
That is the part of the process. They are going
to gain power. You are going to get better, gain strength, authority, power, stability.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
When you.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Listen to good, honest criticism. Scripture says that there is
wisdom in a multitude of counsel and if you're listening
to the right people, then you're getting good words and
good understanding. So the truth is that people gain power,
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the very power most people think or seek, whether it's
hopefully to be used for good. So you gain this
power by listening to the honest criticisms of others. And
when you refuse to listen to those who really love
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you enough to be honest with you, you're going to fail.
That's why gaining success is so much easier than keeping success.
When you're climbing, you take all the tips you can get,
But when you're standing on top of the mountain, it
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seems that no one, no one, not even the closest
people to you, can tell you anything unless Heaven forbid,
they agree with you. So you ask other people as
you're trying to gain power or growing something, and you're
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listening to everyone all their honest criticism, and that becomes productive.
But the minute you gain success, then you ignore everyone.
This is why gaining success is always easier than keeping success.
Don't ever get to that place where you're just looking
for people to agree with you. Scripture says in Proverbs
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twelve twenty two, the Lord detests lying lips, but he
delights in men who are truthful. It is so important
that you are truthful with the people in your life,
especially the ones you love. There's just some bizarre things
that go on in relationships. I've never understood how a
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true friend, a real true friend, would rather pretend they
don't see the spinach any other friend's teeth, of course,
leading them to the embarrassing situation of hearing it from
a stranger, then to step up and tell them, hey,
you have spinach in your teeth. How could that be wrong?
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How could that be hard or difficult to point that
out when you know someone's going to and I know
that this example may be benign. But if you aren't
honest about the little things in life, you won't be
honest about the big things either. Scripture points this out
very clearly. Luke sixteen to ten says whoever can be
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trusted with very little can also be trusted with very much,
And whoever is dishonest with very little will also be
dishonest with much. There's no line there that if you
can master this in the small things, if you're able
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to do the small things in life and be righteous
on those things, then the larger things will not be
as difficult. There's a lot of opportunity for you just to
just to tell somebody what they want to hear. But
to one end? Is this to benefit you? Is this
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so you'll be liked? Or are you like some of
these klingons that seem in these stories are just people
who are trying to get material goods or get some
fame themselves. Maybe hopefully it'll rub off or all look
like I'm one of their confidants.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
No, you don't look like one of their confidants.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You look like a yes man, someone who has no
backbone or thought of their own, just somebody who will
say whatever it takes to get a smile of the
person they're trying to manipulate. It's easy to get caught
up when you're having times of success and you're hitting
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a good stride to want to surround yourself with the
people that you think are good partners, and often, unfortunately,
that means people that are just saying what you want
them to say. We've looked at the fact that Luke
sixteen ten says whoever can be trusted with very little
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can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest
with very little will be dishonest with much. A good
rule to understand that a good person is going to
be a good person in the big times and heavy
times and the small times. But this all works both ways.
You should be honest with those around you, and you
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should want to surround yourself with honest people as well.
Exodus eighteen twenty one says, but select capable men from
all the people, Men who fear God, trustworthy men who
hate dishonest gain in cases like that, The Bible is
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clear when it warns you not to help the wicked
by lying for them. Exodus twenty three, do not spread
false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being
a malicious witness, essentially being you know, going on the
stand and defending someone whose actions are indefensible. Telling someone
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the lies they want to hear while they are hurting themselves. Similarly,
is like taking a bribe to help the wicked, and
you end up being a part of that. You're either
their yes man or you are the type that are
welcoming yes men into your circle because it's much easier
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than having a mirror held up and having to be accountable.
A key word that pops up on this program all
the time, accountability. Deuteronomy sixteen, nighte teen and twenty says,
do not pervert justice or show partiality, meaning always the
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straight line is the straight line is the straight line.
Don't try and justify something for your own gain. It
goes on to say, do not accept a bribe for
a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and twists
the words of the righteous. Follow justice and justice alone,
so that you may live and possess the land. The
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Lord your God is giving you. So this is saying, listen,
I get that there's short gain or what seems like
short gain out there, that you can do things and
you got a bribe, or you get this here, you
get that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
There, you get the.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Love intention of people. But if you do this, then
even your good heart, even your good intentions, will start
to blur like the blind eyes of the wise, because
now the words, the righteous words of the righteous man,
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become twisted. And now there's an agenda. And you know,
when money's involved or things are involved, the agenda always
gets twisted, right, there's always this thick agenda no matter
what when money is involved. And it's sad because good
people are taken down and sick people are ignored. Worse
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than all of this, bad people continue to do bad
things because no one speaks up. Yes, the truth can hurt,
but the sting of the truth lasts only a moment. However,
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the lies of a so called friend can destroy you
for life. You have to remember that. Susan, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Good morning, Jesus. How are you I am well? How
are you I'm great? My question is what is hell?
And where do we find reference to a description of
hell in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Okay, there are many, and I do want to clarify
that this show does not promote the kind of universalism
everyone goes to heaven or there's like soul sleep or destruction,
anything other than scriptural, which is there will be those
that choose God and will go on with eternal life
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with God, and those that reject God and will go
on with life in the rejection of God.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, I don't buy his whole story.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Is really kind of where it lands, and so that
it's becoming popular now. And the truth is people don't
want to be accountable. And the problem in a lot
of this is that think about it. If Hell is
so unbelievable and doesn't seem righteous, then heaven must seem
unbelievable and unrighteous, because no one deserves heaven. So if
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no one deserves hell, then no one deserves heaven. And
the interesting use of the word here in Matthew twenty five,
verse twenty six, it says, and these will go away
into eternal punishment. It goes on to say, but the
righteous into eternal life. The word there for eternal in
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both cases is aonious in the Greek, and it means eternal.
So if these people don't go away into eternal punishment,
then the righteous don't go to eternal life. But what
is the punishment, Well, the punishment really and as far
as the verses, and I'll give you some verses you
can look up. You've got Matthew eighteen to eight. Second
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Thessalonians one, eight and nine that talks about the everlasting chains,
the eternal fire that people talk about Jude seven, the
outer darkness Matthew eight twelve, the wrath of God Romans
two five, the lake that burns with fire, and brimstone
Revelation twenty one to eight. A place prepared for Satan
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and his angels Matthew twenty five forty one. So there
are many that are talked about, but I'll put it
to you this way. God is everywhere. So there are
a lot of theologians that debate back and forth Susan about, well,
so is God in hell? And there are those that
just emphatically say, no, God is not in hell. But
technically God would have to be everywhere. However, the salvation
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of God is not in hell. And so imagine it
this way. There are a lot of people I know
that hate water. They can't stand it. They do not
like the taste of water, and they'll tell you right
out to your face they don'tdrink water, but they do.
They don't drink water in water form, they don't go
and get a glass of water, But in every juice,
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every soda, every piece of fruit, everything that they do
eat or drink has some water in it. And so
they're getting the benefits of that water, thinking they're not
drinking any water. Likewise, there are people that walk this
earth that don't believe in God that get the benefit
of God even though they don't go to a church
or don't experience typical companionship with other Christians or any
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of that. They get it through other believers coming by them,
or the way other believers run their life kind of
overflows under them. So likewise, like they're drinking all these
other liquids and they're saying they're not drinking water, they
really are. That even the atheist or the non believer
is reaping benefits of this world just by living in
this world where other Christians are. So imagine a place
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where now those Christians are subtracted and God in the
sustinary sense is subtracted and now all you have is
that thirst and the absence of anything that can quench it. So,
staying with the analogy, if you imagine that person who
says they don't like water, but they get it and
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everything else that they drink. Now they're in a desert
that has nothing, none of that, no water, and no
fruit and no you know, soda pop and none of that.
And now they're really feeling the power of what water
is in any form, yet they can't get it. Essentially,
that is hell. It's the absence of the salvation or
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sustaining power of God. So that the Some argue that
it's literal fire and brimstone, and some argue that it's not.
Some argue the physical attributes of hell really don't matter.
The truth of the matter is that it is the
absence and unpleasant because it's the true realization. It's if
somebody picks up a gun, points it at someone else,
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thinks that the gun is fake, squeezes the trigger, and
kills someone. They can't now understand the weight of the situation.
Go okay, I want I want a do over. I
want that bullet back in the gun, and that person alive.
Can't you would live with that forever. That action is
a one time action that will go on forever. If
you kill someone done, that action is forever. Well, imagine
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rejecting God and now you've you've made the choice to
reject God for the sixty seventy eighty ninety one hundred
measlely years you're on this planet. God won't force you
to love him for eternity, which is all eternity is
and heaven is. So he says, I'll let you go
somewhere where I'm not and you can be there. They
will realize the weight of it in its fullness, but
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they've made the choice based on everything they could know,
the same choice everyone else did, and the weight of
the decision often is looked at as well, Gosh, it
seems so, it seems so, you know, like so heavy,
But so is heaven. Heaven is not, you know, not
something that a person should be able to receive any
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more than Hell is. But it's done based on justice,
you know that, because certain things that you do, depending
on who you do them, have different consequences. So Susan,
for instance, if you were to hit a brother or sister,
that would be wrong. You slap them in the face.
That'd be wrong, but you're you know, parents might break
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it up and say, okay, well they're young, they're just
being silly. If you were to slap your parent, same act,
different consequence, right, Okay, Now now you take that, Oh yeah,
I remember, that'd be a big consequence. Now you take
that and you do the same act and you slap
law enforcement, same act, different consequence. Right now you're looking
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at possible jail time, same act, total different consequence. Now,
the same act that you did to your brother or
sister that might have just been broken up by mom
and dad, and then you hit your mom and that
becomes something different. Now you're punished by your dad or
vice versa, and then law enforcement comes in you slap them.
Now there's possible jail time. So what we've learned is
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that the same act done upon different people can have
different consequences. So now think about slapping the face and
rejecting the Holy and righteous, true, eternal God. The punishment,
by definition susan has to be eternal. And so although
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it doesn't seem fair, really, the more you look at it,
the more fair it is. And I never hear people saying, gosh,
it's so unfair that I get to go to heaven
because I believe no, And that's equally as unfair, but
it's based on justice. And the justice in this case
is that God so loved the world that he gave
his only begotten son and let him come and die,
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that whoever would believe in him would have that price
paid for and have everlasting life. And those that reject
that God loves them enough to say, okay, I will
allow you to reject that. Imagine if you had a
child who didn't want to live with you, didn't want
to be with you, and it's freezing outside and there's
no food and there's no warmth, and you love them
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and you're trying to you're trying to get them, but
you can't force them because that's no longer love. So
you let them go and they die outside. It's like
they That's what hell is. It's it's the ultimate act
of freedom on behalf of a human being that abolishes
all freedom. It just is someone who says, I don't
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want it, I'm sorry, don't care, don't want it, don't
love God here, won't don't want to love him for eternity,
and he says, okay, not my will be done, but
I will apparently.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Thank you so much for explaining that so well. I've
heard you say, for the hell is an absence of God, yes,
and and I really wasn't getting what absence of God meant.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It's really more the absence of His salvation basically. Basically,
it's the absence of Me, the absence of Christ, and
the absence of the sustaining power of God, which is
the Holy Spirit, the interacting, the comforter all these things.
But God has to be everywhere. So God is, you know,
authoritative over all things. But God is not present in
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the same way that he's present here on Earth. That's
why when people say, you know, earth is hell, No
it's not. There's still that's there. You're still getting water
out of the fruit punch. You know, there's still You're
still getting bits of God and the benefit of God
looking over this place. Even when things are horrible because
of choice as man has made, uh it, you know,
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you're still getting those things there. And people forget that
and don't get it until it's all gone. And in
that absence that reality will be purer than ever. However,
there is enough of it there for people to make
the whole decision, just like picking up that gun. Well,
it might be fake, yeah, but it might not. It
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has the weight, it has the shape, it has.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
All those things.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
You pull the trigger, you should expect to think that
it could kill, and that even people that work in
film and television that work with guns that have been
modified to use as blanks. You've used with blanks, treat
them like real weapons on the set if they're doing
it right, because you know, there's even actors that have
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been killed by blanks. Because you should treat it as
if it's real, and if they don't, then it can
cause death. So you can't undo the decision. You have
all the information you need to make the proper decision.
It's not about ignorance. People don't go to hell because
oh I didn't know, I didn't hear about this. Jesus,
that sounds like a good, good deal that everybody will
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get the same opportunity to accept or reject and basically say,
I rather go through door A or through the door B.
It's not just God doing some checklist because somebody annoys him.
And that's what some of these preachers try and convey
is that it's just God's mighty party list, and you
have to be on this exclusive list to get in,
and in that sense it makes it look ugly. But no,
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the door opens and locks on the side of the person,
not on the side of God, and the individual chooses
where they want to go.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And why.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
All right, my dear, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You have a blessed day, and give my love to
your old man Bob.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Alrighty, I will all right, bye.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Bye, don welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Thank you for taking my pleasure.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I have a question with regards to the disposal of
our physical remains once we die. The Bible talks quite
frequently about the physical aspect of what's going to the grave. Well,
our soul and spirit goes to heaven. For those of
us who have been saved. These days, so many people
are cremating their bodies and disposing of the ashes. The
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Bible says that when you return, you'll bring our physical
bodies and our souls back together. And I'm curious as
to how that will occur if people are burning their
bodies and disposing of their ashes in all unlikely places.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You know an excellent question. You know the old scriptural
reference ashes to ashes. What to what dust to dust, okay,
and out of the dust of the earth man was
made correct, correct, Okay. So if you think of it,
you're thinking it very anthropomorphic, pomorphically, you're thinking of it
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very humanly. Well, you know, humans can't recreate a human
who's this?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
That?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
And not to be too graphic, but down do you
know what takes place when you bury a body and
it's exposed to the elements oxygen, oxygen and like, yep,
and and quite quickly and and in its a decomposition,
it becomes essentially ash and dust. I mean, it will
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break down to its most simplest and simplistic form. That's
going to happen regardless. All cremation is is speeding up
that process. And if you think for one second God's
going to come back in all his glory and then go, oh,
my goodness, I gotta put Okay, let's see the hip
bone connected to the thigh bone and thigh bone. No,
you're gonna be fine from ashes. You came from ashes.
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You return and God can bring you back from any state.
There's not a technicality where God's going, well, Gosh, I
can raise people from the dead, but not in this state.
That's a mess. That's just not the case. There's nothing wrong.
Now our Jewish brothers and sisters feel differently about cremation,
but in the state of your Christianity and what you believe, uh,
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cremation can just be a financial concern. It's cheaper, it's easier,
and as a matter of fact, more and more people
are doing it. But there's nothing in Scripture that would
have a problem with that, and certainly nothing as far
as the mechanical process, because you're dealing with something miraculous
to begin with. You know, isn't it interesting that as
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a human being you are concerned about the mechanic. Here's
God raising people from the dead, but all of that
is clay to begin with. It even refers to as
that jar of clay throughout scripture, that concept that really
the body is just like this vessel and that holds
the important stuff. Bodies never important in except that it
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is the vessel that moves you from point A to
point B, and to respect it.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Because it's a gift of God.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
But to create, cremate yourself at the point of death
doesn't change anything, doesn't change anything in the end times,
doesn't change anything. With you being reunited with God, none
of that. The body's going to decompose and become ashes
sooner or later anyways. Cremation is simply speeding that process up.
But nothing too big for God. He will not be confused, frustrated,
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or annoyed by the process, and trust me in all
of it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
In the eighteen hundreds, Hans Christian Andersen wrote a short
tale with Great Insight. This tale was about two dishonest
weavers Maybe you remember it, I'm sure you do, claiming
to be creating this new suit made out of invisible
thread that was to be warned by the Emperor himself
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it's going to be his new duds. These two weavers
informed the Emperor that the suit is designed so that
it would only look invisible or appear invisible to those
who were not fit for their position in life, where
they were lacking competence or just plain stupid. The two
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weavers even went so far as to pretend to personally
dress the Emperor. They went through it all minding every
action of a real tailor as they went on their way.
Now I know you know the story. This point, everyone,
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even the Emperor, pretended not to see the suit. I mean,
if they saw the suit, he'd have to admit that
maybe he was not in the right station at life,
or maybe he was stupid, maybe he lacked competence, so
he didn't say anything. So everyone pretended not to see
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the suit, even though they could not just so they
would not appear to look incompetent or foolish. That's one
type of yes man. Yes man who doesn't want to
look silly or foolish or incompetent. That says yes or
concurs with everything, with the hopes of never never having
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the light shined on them pointing out their flaws. But
ultimately there's going to be someone, let's hope, someone so
bold to stand up. And in the case of the
Hans Christian Andersen story, ultimately it took the raw honesty
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of a child to stand up to yell out. The
emperor has no clothes, the man is naked. Nobody's seeing
that the man is naked. This lovely cautionary tale predates
(02:51):
Andersen's writings, actually with Spanish, Arab and Jewish versions of sorts.
Why well, because the concept of going with the flow
or lying to get ahead has been around since the
beginning of time. This is nothing new.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So in a.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Child's fairy tale and a short story, the moral continues
to bash you on the head to try and teach you.
Zach Zeips, an American retired professor of German at the
University of Minnesota, wrote about Hans Christian Andersen and The
Emperor's New Clothes, saying it was a tale of the
(03:39):
courage of one's conviction and that sight becomes insight, which
in turn prompts action. You gotta love that. I'm very
well put. Essentially, if you see something wrong, speak up
and change it. In other words, don't yeah, yes man.
(04:05):
The truth is that when people gain power by listening
to the honest criticisms of others, that's how they grow.
That is the part of the process. They are going
to gain power. You are going to get better, gain strength, authority, power, stability.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
When you.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Listen to good, honest criticism. Scripture says that there is
wisdom in a multitude of counsel and if you're listening
to the right people, then you're getting good words and
good understanding. So the truth is that people gain power,
(04:57):
the very power most people think or seek, whether it's
hopefully to be used for good. So you gain this
power by listening to the honest criticisms of others. And
when you refuse to listen to those who really love
(05:18):
you enough to be honest with you, you're going to fail.
That's why gaining success is so much easier than keeping success.
When you're climbing, you take all the tips you can get,
But when you're standing on top of the mountain, it
(05:38):
seems that no one, no one, not even the closest
people to you, can tell you anything unless Heaven forbid,
they agree with you. So you ask other people as
you're trying to gain power or growing something, and you're
(06:00):
listening to everyone all their honest criticism, and that becomes productive.
But the minute you gain success, then you ignore everyone.
This is why gaining success is always easier than keeping success.
Don't ever get to that place where you're just looking
for people to agree with you. Scripture says in Proverbs
(06:23):
twelve twenty two, the Lord detests lying lips, but he
delights in men who are truthful. It is so important
that you are truthful with the people in your life,
especially the ones you love. There's just some bizarre things
that go on in relationships. I've never understood how a
(06:46):
true friend, a real true friend, would rather pretend they
don't see the spinach any other friend's teeth, of course,
leading them to the embarrassing situation of hearing it from
a stranger, then to step up and tell them, hey,
you have spinach in your teeth. How could that be wrong?
(07:08):
How could that be hard or difficult to point that
out when you know someone's going to and I know
that this example may be benign. But if you aren't
honest about the little things in life, you won't be
honest about the big things either. Scripture points this out
very clearly. Luke sixteen to ten says whoever can be
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trusted with very little can also be trusted with very much,
And whoever is dishonest with very little will also be
dishonest with much. There's no line there that if you
can master this in the small things, if you're able
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to do the small things in life and be righteous
on those things, then the larger things will not be
as difficult. There's a lot of opportunity for you just to
just to tell somebody what they want to hear. But
to one end? Is this to benefit you? Is this
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so you'll be liked? Or are you like some of
these klingons that seem in these stories are just people
who are trying to get material goods or get some
fame themselves. Maybe hopefully it'll rub off or all look
like I'm one of their confidants.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
No, you don't look like one of their confidants.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You look like a yes man, someone who has no
backbone or thought of their own, just somebody who will
say whatever it takes to get a smile of the
person they're trying to manipulate. It's easy to get caught
up when you're having times of success and you're hitting
(08:49):
a good stride to want to surround yourself with the
people that you think are good partners, and often, unfortunately,
that means people that are just saying what you want
them to say. We've looked at the fact that Luke
sixteen ten says whoever can be trusted with very little
(09:10):
can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest
with very little will be dishonest with much. A good
rule to understand that a good person is going to
be a good person in the big times and heavy
times and the small times. But this all works both ways.
You should be honest with those around you, and you
(09:32):
should want to surround yourself with honest people as well.
Exodus eighteen twenty one says, but select capable men from
all the people, Men who fear God, trustworthy men who
hate dishonest gain in cases like that, The Bible is
(09:54):
clear when it warns you not to help the wicked
by lying for them. Exodus twenty three, do not spread
false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being
a malicious witness, essentially being you know, going on the
stand and defending someone whose actions are indefensible. Telling someone
(10:22):
the lies they want to hear while they are hurting themselves. Similarly,
is like taking a bribe to help the wicked, and
you end up being a part of that. You're either
their yes man or you are the type that are
welcoming yes men into your circle because it's much easier
(10:46):
than having a mirror held up and having to be accountable.
A key word that pops up on this program all
the time, accountability. Deuteronomy sixteen, nighte teen and twenty says,
do not pervert justice or show partiality, meaning always the
(11:09):
straight line is the straight line is the straight line.
Don't try and justify something for your own gain. It
goes on to say, do not accept a bribe for
a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and twists
the words of the righteous. Follow justice and justice alone,
so that you may live and possess the land. The
(11:31):
Lord your God is giving you. So this is saying, listen,
I get that there's short gain or what seems like
short gain out there, that you can do things and
you got a bribe, or you get this here, you
get that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
There, you get the.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Love intention of people. But if you do this, then
even your good heart, even your good intentions, will start
to blur like the blind eyes of the wise, because
now the words, the righteous words of the righteous man,
(12:06):
become twisted. And now there's an agenda. And you know,
when money's involved or things are involved, the agenda always
gets twisted, right, there's always this thick agenda no matter
what when money is involved. And it's sad because good
people are taken down and sick people are ignored. Worse
(12:33):
than all of this, bad people continue to do bad
things because no one speaks up. Yes, the truth can hurt,
but the sting of the truth lasts only a moment. However,
(12:53):
the lies of a so called friend can destroy you
for life. You have to remember that. Susan, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Good morning, Jesus. How are you I am well? How
are you I'm great? My question is what is hell?
And where do we find reference to a description of
hell in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Okay, there are many, and I do want to clarify
that this show does not promote the kind of universalism
everyone goes to heaven or there's like soul sleep or destruction,
anything other than scriptural, which is there will be those
that choose God and will go on with eternal life
(13:43):
with God, and those that reject God and will go
on with life in the rejection of God.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, I don't buy his whole story.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Is really kind of where it lands, and so that
it's becoming popular now. And the truth is people don't
want to be accountable. And the problem in a lot
of this is that think about it. If Hell is
so unbelievable and doesn't seem righteous, then heaven must seem
unbelievable and unrighteous, because no one deserves heaven. So if
(14:14):
no one deserves hell, then no one deserves heaven. And
the interesting use of the word here in Matthew twenty five,
verse twenty six, it says, and these will go away
into eternal punishment. It goes on to say, but the
righteous into eternal life. The word there for eternal in
(14:36):
both cases is aonious in the Greek, and it means eternal.
So if these people don't go away into eternal punishment,
then the righteous don't go to eternal life. But what
is the punishment, Well, the punishment really and as far
as the verses, and I'll give you some verses you
can look up. You've got Matthew eighteen to eight. Second
(14:59):
Thessalonians one, eight and nine that talks about the everlasting chains,
the eternal fire that people talk about Jude seven, the
outer darkness Matthew eight twelve, the wrath of God Romans
two five, the lake that burns with fire, and brimstone
Revelation twenty one to eight. A place prepared for Satan
(15:23):
and his angels Matthew twenty five forty one. So there
are many that are talked about, but I'll put it
to you this way. God is everywhere. So there are
a lot of theologians that debate back and forth Susan about, well,
so is God in hell? And there are those that
just emphatically say, no, God is not in hell. But
technically God would have to be everywhere. However, the salvation
(15:46):
of God is not in hell. And so imagine it
this way. There are a lot of people I know
that hate water. They can't stand it. They do not
like the taste of water, and they'll tell you right
out to your face they don'tdrink water, but they do.
They don't drink water in water form, they don't go
and get a glass of water, But in every juice,
(16:08):
every soda, every piece of fruit, everything that they do
eat or drink has some water in it. And so
they're getting the benefits of that water, thinking they're not
drinking any water. Likewise, there are people that walk this
earth that don't believe in God that get the benefit
of God even though they don't go to a church
or don't experience typical companionship with other Christians or any
(16:33):
of that. They get it through other believers coming by them,
or the way other believers run their life kind of
overflows under them. So likewise, like they're drinking all these
other liquids and they're saying they're not drinking water, they
really are. That even the atheist or the non believer
is reaping benefits of this world just by living in
this world where other Christians are. So imagine a place
(16:55):
where now those Christians are subtracted and God in the
sustinary sense is subtracted and now all you have is
that thirst and the absence of anything that can quench it. So,
staying with the analogy, if you imagine that person who
says they don't like water, but they get it and
(17:16):
everything else that they drink. Now they're in a desert
that has nothing, none of that, no water, and no
fruit and no you know, soda pop and none of that.
And now they're really feeling the power of what water
is in any form, yet they can't get it. Essentially,
that is hell. It's the absence of the salvation or
(17:37):
sustaining power of God. So that the Some argue that
it's literal fire and brimstone, and some argue that it's not.
Some argue the physical attributes of hell really don't matter.
The truth of the matter is that it is the
absence and unpleasant because it's the true realization. It's if
somebody picks up a gun, points it at someone else,
(18:00):
thinks that the gun is fake, squeezes the trigger, and
kills someone. They can't now understand the weight of the situation.
Go okay, I want I want a do over. I
want that bullet back in the gun, and that person alive.
Can't you would live with that forever. That action is
a one time action that will go on forever. If
you kill someone done, that action is forever. Well, imagine
(18:25):
rejecting God and now you've you've made the choice to
reject God for the sixty seventy eighty ninety one hundred
measlely years you're on this planet. God won't force you
to love him for eternity, which is all eternity is
and heaven is. So he says, I'll let you go
somewhere where I'm not and you can be there. They
will realize the weight of it in its fullness, but
(18:47):
they've made the choice based on everything they could know,
the same choice everyone else did, and the weight of
the decision often is looked at as well, Gosh, it
seems so, it seems so, you know, like so heavy,
But so is heaven. Heaven is not, you know, not
something that a person should be able to receive any
(19:07):
more than Hell is. But it's done based on justice,
you know that, because certain things that you do, depending
on who you do them, have different consequences. So Susan,
for instance, if you were to hit a brother or sister,
that would be wrong. You slap them in the face.
That'd be wrong, but you're you know, parents might break
(19:28):
it up and say, okay, well they're young, they're just
being silly. If you were to slap your parent, same act,
different consequence, right, Okay, Now now you take that, Oh yeah,
I remember, that'd be a big consequence. Now you take
that and you do the same act and you slap
law enforcement, same act, different consequence. Right now you're looking
(19:51):
at possible jail time, same act, total different consequence. Now,
the same act that you did to your brother or
sister that might have just been broken up by mom
and dad, and then you hit your mom and that
becomes something different. Now you're punished by your dad or
vice versa, and then law enforcement comes in you slap them.
Now there's possible jail time. So what we've learned is
(20:13):
that the same act done upon different people can have
different consequences. So now think about slapping the face and
rejecting the Holy and righteous, true, eternal God. The punishment,
by definition susan has to be eternal. And so although
(20:33):
it doesn't seem fair, really, the more you look at it,
the more fair it is. And I never hear people saying, gosh,
it's so unfair that I get to go to heaven
because I believe no, And that's equally as unfair, but
it's based on justice. And the justice in this case
is that God so loved the world that he gave
his only begotten son and let him come and die,
(20:57):
that whoever would believe in him would have that price
paid for and have everlasting life. And those that reject
that God loves them enough to say, okay, I will
allow you to reject that. Imagine if you had a
child who didn't want to live with you, didn't want
to be with you, and it's freezing outside and there's
no food and there's no warmth, and you love them
(21:18):
and you're trying to you're trying to get them, but
you can't force them because that's no longer love. So
you let them go and they die outside. It's like
they That's what hell is. It's it's the ultimate act
of freedom on behalf of a human being that abolishes
all freedom. It just is someone who says, I don't
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want it, I'm sorry, don't care, don't want it, don't
love God here, won't don't want to love him for eternity,
and he says, okay, not my will be done, but
I will apparently.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Thank you so much for explaining that so well. I've
heard you say, for the hell is an absence of God, yes,
and and I really wasn't getting what absence of God meant.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It's really more the absence of His salvation basically. Basically,
it's the absence of Me, the absence of Christ, and
the absence of the sustaining power of God, which is
the Holy Spirit, the interacting, the comforter all these things.
But God has to be everywhere. So God is, you know,
authoritative over all things. But God is not present in
(22:33):
the same way that he's present here on Earth. That's
why when people say, you know, earth is hell, No
it's not. There's still that's there. You're still getting water
out of the fruit punch. You know, there's still You're
still getting bits of God and the benefit of God
looking over this place. Even when things are horrible because
of choice as man has made, uh it, you know,
(22:55):
you're still getting those things there. And people forget that
and don't get it until it's all gone. And in
that absence that reality will be purer than ever. However,
there is enough of it there for people to make
the whole decision, just like picking up that gun. Well,
it might be fake, yeah, but it might not. It
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has the weight, it has the shape, it has.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
All those things.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
You pull the trigger, you should expect to think that
it could kill, and that even people that work in
film and television that work with guns that have been
modified to use as blanks. You've used with blanks, treat
them like real weapons on the set if they're doing
it right, because you know, there's even actors that have
(23:41):
been killed by blanks. Because you should treat it as
if it's real, and if they don't, then it can
cause death. So you can't undo the decision. You have
all the information you need to make the proper decision.
It's not about ignorance. People don't go to hell because
oh I didn't know, I didn't hear about this. Jesus,
that sounds like a good, good deal that everybody will
(24:03):
get the same opportunity to accept or reject and basically say,
I rather go through door A or through the door B.
It's not just God doing some checklist because somebody annoys him.
And that's what some of these preachers try and convey
is that it's just God's mighty party list, and you
have to be on this exclusive list to get in,
and in that sense it makes it look ugly. But no,
(24:25):
the door opens and locks on the side of the person,
not on the side of God, and the individual chooses
where they want to go.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And why.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
All right, my dear, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You have a blessed day, and give my love to
your old man Bob.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Alrighty, I will all right, bye.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Bye, don welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Thank you for taking my pleasure.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I have a question with regards to the disposal of
our physical remains once we die. The Bible talks quite
frequently about the physical aspect of what's going to the grave. Well,
our soul and spirit goes to heaven. For those of
us who have been saved. These days, so many people
are cremating their bodies and disposing of the ashes. The
(25:15):
Bible says that when you return, you'll bring our physical
bodies and our souls back together. And I'm curious as
to how that will occur if people are burning their
bodies and disposing of their ashes in all unlikely places.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You know an excellent question. You know the old scriptural
reference ashes to ashes. What to what dust to dust, okay,
and out of the dust of the earth man was
made correct, correct, Okay. So if you think of it,
you're thinking it very anthropomorphic, pomorphically, you're thinking of it
(25:55):
very humanly. Well, you know, humans can't recreate a human
who's this?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
That?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
And not to be too graphic, but down do you
know what takes place when you bury a body and
it's exposed to the elements oxygen, oxygen and like, yep,
and and quite quickly and and in its a decomposition,
it becomes essentially ash and dust. I mean, it will
(26:24):
break down to its most simplest and simplistic form. That's
going to happen regardless. All cremation is is speeding up
that process. And if you think for one second God's
going to come back in all his glory and then go, oh,
my goodness, I gotta put Okay, let's see the hip
bone connected to the thigh bone and thigh bone. No,
you're gonna be fine from ashes. You came from ashes.
(26:47):
You return and God can bring you back from any state.
There's not a technicality where God's going, well, Gosh, I
can raise people from the dead, but not in this state.
That's a mess. That's just not the case. There's nothing wrong.
Now our Jewish brothers and sisters feel differently about cremation,
but in the state of your Christianity and what you believe, uh,
(27:11):
cremation can just be a financial concern. It's cheaper, it's easier,
and as a matter of fact, more and more people
are doing it. But there's nothing in Scripture that would
have a problem with that, and certainly nothing as far
as the mechanical process, because you're dealing with something miraculous
to begin with. You know, isn't it interesting that as
(27:32):
a human being you are concerned about the mechanic. Here's
God raising people from the dead, but all of that
is clay to begin with. It even refers to as
that jar of clay throughout scripture, that concept that really
the body is just like this vessel and that holds
the important stuff. Bodies never important in except that it
(27:53):
is the vessel that moves you from point A to
point B, and to respect it.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Because it's a gift of God.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
But to create, cremate yourself at the point of death
doesn't change anything, doesn't change anything in the end times,
doesn't change anything. With you being reunited with God, none
of that. The body's going to decompose and become ashes
sooner or later anyways. Cremation is simply speeding that process up.
But nothing too big for God. He will not be confused, frustrated,
(28:22):
or annoyed by the process, and trust me in all
of it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
All the glory will be his. Kfi AM sixty on
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