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October 9, 2025 32 mins
So Chris didn't call Richie "Ricky", but I guess we will now!!! 

Chris marvels at the idea of watching YouTube on TV... Also, what's worse than a major earthquake??? If you said two major earthquakes, then you win (nothing of value)! Two words: Cascadia Megathrust!

And, Chris asks the universal question... are we being too nice to women??? Because nice guys seem to keep finishing last, so...  
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Oh hey, good evening. I'm Chris Merrill. Listen to anytime
on demand of the iHeartRadio app where evidently, if you
listen to the first hour, you will hear me refer
to the producer Richie.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
As Ricky Mike Rodner. Did you hear me say that too? No, George,
I didn't. You didn't hear me call him Ricky?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
I was I was doing something different. I was I
was paying attention to something interesting.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
That's fair. You like that?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I just hate that I never
done that. Like, Richie and I have worked together a
couple of times in the past, but it's been a while.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Who Yeah, Ricky, we worked together a couple of times.
Clearly who was meaningful to you?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
No, But I'm like, how did I screw that up?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Like, sometimes you work with somebody and you know you
haven't worked with him before you and you do, you
know whatever, it is just click in your mind. But
Ritchie and I have worked together enough, and I've listened
to Richie on other people's shows and stuff like that,
you know, I feel like I'm close enough to Richie
shouldn't have boned it up. You know, he is an
award winning producer.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Of course he is very good. Yeah, Sam, can you
can you find that? Are you sure? I still don't
think I called him?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
In my mind?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
No way did it happen.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
But I have done this before, and I've been dead wrong,
and I've pulled tape and then I'm almost double embarrassed.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Well, you know me, I'm very good with research, and
I jumped right on it to verify, would you, because
I had to?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
And oh you here, here we go, here we go?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Did Richie skip out yet? I?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Huh? Did Richie skip? Richie skip out? I did not
Richie skip out yet? Did Richie skip out yet? I
can't see him? It was I can't see his camera.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
He's running back in.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
He shows mine. Did Richie skip out yet?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:20):
And you realize that, Oh this is even sweeter because.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Richie misheard me.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I did not misspeak, which honestly, god, there was about
a ninety percent chance it was me.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
But he misheard it. And then what did he do?
He called me Bill? He called me bill? You know
what I mean? Next time I see Richie who had
to leave because they had to go to a party.
Next time I.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
See Ricky, I am going, I'm gonna I'm gonna give
him bill.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
I'm gonna I'm gonna wash his mouth out with Zelmans.
That's what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Shove a Zelmans in there, and you get it all
minty in his mouth until it explode.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Oh, the juice is clean as dirty mouth out. That's
what I would have do to him.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Well, before you jump down his neck there, I just
have one question for you, Charles.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Have you have you ever if you were going through
all of them, You're like, am I going to go
with chip? Am? I gonna go? Never mind? Forget it?
I give up.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
All right, we'll get to Marty's news here coming up
in just a few more minutes. Okay 's a This
could be a fun game. I do think we should
call him Ricky from now on. I think he accidentally
just gave himself a nickname, like maybe he heard it
because he wanted to be called Ricky. So maybe that's
what we're going with. But see if I find some
Taladiga Knight's cuts or something to use every time he speaks,

(03:46):
it'd be fun.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Do you really want to escalate this? I mean I
got nothing to lose. You know, Sam's the one at
the control part. That's true. You make a good point.
Maybe Sam is like, okay, boys, that's enough.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
Yeah, I'm not sure what side he is going to take. Hey,
I'm a fair arbiter. I wear referee jersey. That is,
I blow whistles, I throw flags.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Sam is I mean that he is a referee professionally figuratively?

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's what he does. I sit between couples
while they argue, and then he helps them figure it out.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Oh, yes, it's very good. No, that actually that is
my specialty. Is one of my specialties is working with
couples that are falling apart.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Which, by the way, I've got a story coming up
here near the end of the hour. I hope we
have a chance to get to it because there's a
there's another study that just came out. I love studies
because it gives me something to talk about. And the
study is right up your alley. It is right up
your alley. And according to this study, I am way
too nice to my wife. So I'm really curious about

(04:52):
your your take on that. So that's coming up here
in just a little bit. Uh, if you have been
to Vegas lately. I think I talked about this yesterday.
To Vegas is just deed, man. Uh when I was
there in August anyway, there's just.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Not a whole lot going on.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
And and it's not it's not like the streets are empty,
but it's it just was not popping like it has
been in the past, and so it was it was
kind of sad. But if if going to Vegas to
blow all of your money was you know, your weekend plan,
you may not have to go so far because I
guess we're We've got another giant, monstrous casino opening in

(05:28):
Kerrent County, hard Rock Casino ty hoone opening November three,
the first full scale casino Kerrent County. So the uh,
the tribe is opening. This a six hundred million dollar development.
They say it's enough space to rival places like mega
casinos like the MGM Grand Blagio Aria Mandalay Bay. So

(05:50):
it's gonna house more than two thousand slot machines, live
table game.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
That sounds good. That's it. Hey, Hey, hey, hey, somebody
gets sales on the line. I don't have any casino
endorsements yet.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I love hard rock too, man, Do I love a
good hard rock casino. In fact, I I love going
to Vegas, but man, that drive is just such a pain.
I wish there were a hard rock casino closer to me,
maybe something that had all all of the excitement of
Las Vegas without the drive. Like the hard rock casino,

(06:28):
we just give up on me.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
One. That's good. No, no, I love that. That was perfect.
Mark Rodder is live at the CAMFI twenty four hour Newsroom. Perfect,
good evening. I'm Chris Merrilk.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I am six forty more stimulating talk listen to anytime
on demand the iHeartRadio app. Is it possible PBS could
be saved by an afro and some happy little clowns.
If only I had Carson Daily to tell me more
about it. Arstin Daily, If you ever, if you ever thought,
you know, well, I'd really like to own one of
his paintings.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Well your luck, buddy.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Well we made one of those were similar to that,
which is a lot of fun. They're going up for
auction in Los Angeles next month, part of a fundraiser
for public TV stations.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Bob Ross paintings going up for auction to see Marina
Public Radio, a public TV.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
The paintings are worth between an estimated eight hundred and
fifty thousand nearly two million dollars. More auctions will follow online.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Wow, two million dollars and.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
In other cities they'll do it, like New York and Boston,
on London too. That'd be a fun thing to have
hanging in your home if you've got a couple of mil.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, hey, thanks for watching, Yeah, thanks for watching.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Thanks Al Roker. Are the paintings really worth that much money?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I suppose half the time when you buy painting, you're
buying it because of the artists, right, So the the
original these are the originals from his shows, and they
are being sold to support public television because of the
the cuts from the from the federal government. And so
the question I suppose for a lot of us is like,

(08:08):
is this gonna save PBS or is this just it's
a band aid?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Right?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I mean, yeah, you could, you could sell the Oh
we've sold the art and it's we've got I don't know,
I don't know how much you're gonna make a few
million dollars, and I think you're probably gonna have some
donors are gonna run that price up a little bit
higher to you're gonna have some people that wanted to
donate to PBS and this is an opportunity to do that. So,
you know, they say, anyway from what they say eight
fifty to two million dollars. So would you be surprised

(08:37):
if you saw some of these from some wealthy donor
go up to five million or more and.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
They say, oh, that's an original ross. Whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Is it possible that what pbs' strategy is is not.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Is not long term?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Is it possible that the band aid is all the
higher ups at that PBS wont Is it conceivable that
PBS is hanging on until twenty twenty nine? In their minds,
they may be thinking, once this president is out of
office in twenty thirty one, then no, hang on, I

(09:20):
gotta do the math. I don't know, Oh yeah, eight
in twenty twenty nine, when he's out of office, maybe
we'll have somebody in there that will refund us.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
In fact, maybe what they're thinking is.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
If Congress flips control it, it's no longer the Republicans
who cut PBS as part of the Big Beautiful Bill.
Maybe they'll get some Democrats in there that will restore
the funding to PBS. So is it possible that the
Public Broadcast Systems is just thinking, all we have to
do is fund our stuff shoe string budgets, bare minimums.

(09:55):
Fund it until twenty six or I guess it'll be
twenty seven when Congress takes over, and then we can
get a budget in that that reinserts funding for our programming.
And then will the president try to dicker over the
money that will go to PBS because it really, in
the grand scheme of the budget was not very much,

(10:16):
but it was very symbolic, and of course that was
there's tremendous value to the symbolism that it, that it conveyed.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
I have in my mind that's sort of their strategy.
That's it. Let me see.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, Oh, they want to turn it into memberships too. Yeah,
they're they're really gonna work hard on these membership drives.
Oh my gosh, wouldn't that be great if they had?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
I got an idea, TBS. I got an idea for you.
Are you ready for this? Oh?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Sometimes sometimes I think you guys should wear sunglasses because
the brilliance that beams from my brain is enough to
blind all of southern California. If you see a flash
of light and you think, oh my god, a bomb
went off. Nope, that was just brilliance striking me.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
PBS.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
You're gonna do your membership drive. You're gonna go do
your tote bags. Right, you do a Willy Wonker kind
of deal here, right, So you take some Bob Ross's.
I don't know if they're gonna fit in your tote bags.
We'll figure out a way. Figure this out, PBS. Maybe
it's a maybe it's.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
A golden ticket. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
But you're gonna Willy Wonka this, and you're gonna put
You're gonna put five Bob Ross's or vouchers for a
Bob Ross in your coat bags.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
And then as people.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Make their donations, they have a chance to win a
two million dollar Bob Ross painting.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Oh my gosh, you can sweeten the deal with DVDs
of Yanni live at the Acropolis.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
So you can't stop. You're dimming my brilliance. This is
this is the sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
You realize that when I have an idea like this,
I get phone calls because there are astronomers that believe
they've just discovered a new star. They go, my god,
what is that incredible blast of light in the sky.
We've never seen anything like it. There are some kooks
that think the aliens have come, that's what happens, But no,
it's just brilliant, striking me.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
You can learn a lot from WILLI Wonka, and I
think that they should probably lean into that. Honestly. God,
I've never contributed to PBSNPR before, have you? I never have.
I'm too cheap, but I watch me watch.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I've always felt like, why am I using my money
from commercial radio to support the nonprofit competitor.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Well, I'm just cheap. It's as simple as that. I
don't have the extra to throw around. But I watch Frontline,
but I wait until the episodes are posted on YouTube,
which really makes me a terrible person.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
No it doesn't. It makes you normal. Really, I was
seeing I was shocked. I mean shocked.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Do you realize I think the number was forty percent
of YouTube viewing is done on television sets, and I
thought YouTube viewing was for phones and computers. Oh no, No,
I have YouTube on my Amazon fire stick. I watch
it all the time.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
You do it here? Yeah? See? And that blew my mind.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I was talking with a guy who was giving a
presentation about why you know, radio needs to do more
YouTube friendly stuff. And he was he was throwing the
stats out and he said, it's it's one of the
apps that's with all of your streaming.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Devices.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
So it's a Roku, Apple TV, your Google what is
the Google whatever, the Chrome streamer is whatever that is
like all of them, all of the smart TVs, they
all come with YouTube preloaded. And it was crazy to
me because that's the first thing I delete. Why it's
a gold mine because I find it so difficult to navigate.

(13:55):
And so I was talking to some people like you,
and I said, how do you do? I said, you
can't really search on there, right, It's such a pain
to search on the YouTube app. And I said, yeah,
I don't do it because I have subscriptions to different
you know, people I like, or shows or whatever it is,
and you know, it just kind of pops up. And
they said, it's just like it's just like when you

(14:16):
go to Amazon Prime, or you go to your your
HBO Max or whatever, your streaming services, your Hulu whatever,
and then you just go to your favorite thing. And
I never got into it that much because all of
my subscriptions on YouTube are news sites and I use
it for work, right, So I never I don't go
down the rabbit holes on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Oh you don't know what you're missing out on.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
The only complaint I have about YouTube is that when
you watch one thing, suddenly it bombards you with the
exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
The algorithm's got you.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
But you get like old TV shows that are posted
in their entirety on YouTube movies. It's really seriously Goldman
all the like late night monologues go right up on
there right away.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
So, and that was the example that people have been
using because what was it six million and people watched
Kimmel and his first show back after the suspension, but
it was something like twenty four million people watched it
on YouTube. Ye, yeah, massive number of people on YouTube.
My mind.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
You get peep just random people out there making incredible content,
some like really well made documentaries that I find on there.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Now that's fascinating. Yeah, I'd be interested in that.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, I just don't have the I don't have the
I don't have the I have the patience to go
find it because everything I see on YouTube, they all
use that. I hate the graphics that are popular right now,
big graphics, lots of arrows.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
I just hate. Everything's too busy. I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
We're here to that simple. Just give me a give
me a tableau photo. Here's what it is. Boom, that's
all I want. I don't want. Oh, the world is ending.
Click here and find out blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Everything feels like an infomercial when I start scrolling on them.
Hate it.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Next up in the Grumpy Old Man Show. Uh you are? Oh,
how about a riddle? How about this?

Speaker 3 (15:59):
What is than a massive earthquake? You're gonna find out next?

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I'm Chris Merril KFI AM six forty were live everywhere
on the iHeartRadio Web.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Hey, good evening on Chris Merril.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Remember you can listen anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
And then, uh, I think podcasts are usually found in
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But remember everything's up there on the iHeartRadio app. Super
easy to use, super duper easy. Sam was just the

(16:37):
bearer of bad news. He's given me a scoring update.
I really I'm gonna Oh, okay, Phillies eight, Dodgers one.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, anybody you.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Check on uh Tim Conway Junior, I'm sure he's somewhere.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Anybody heard bank just trying to avoid watching a TV? Yeah, Kaiser,
is that where he is? Everybody seen Tim. He's in
the er. His heart is not taking this very well
either is his bank account.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
I don't know. I have no idea, but I know
that he's watching this very closely. So anyway, looks like
this is Ah, look there's still in any left. It's
the top of the eighth. Yeah, there's still They still
have two more at bats. So stranger things have happened.
It's rally time it could happen. I asked you a
question before we went to news with Mark, and that

(17:31):
is what is scarier than a massive earthquake?

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Do you have an idea? You have a chance to
think about that. You know what it is? Sho come
up with a solution with an answer to the to
the riddle. You know what it is? Two massive earthquakes.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
Now we know that the San Andreas fault has a
northern portion of it and a southern portion of it,
so it's split up right, and basically researchers don't have
any connection from northern San Andreas Fault to southern San
Andreas Fault. But there is another zone up here called
the Cascady is that this new study says earthquakes that
have happened up here in this zone. They have evidence,
they say, to prove has almost immediately triggered an earthquake

(18:09):
on the San Andreas Fault that they say, I'm so confused.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Okay, the Cascade, the Cascadian Faults, those are further nort
So there is a giant plate that is off the
coast of Oregon and there have been This is my
youngest son. You guys talk about going down rabbit holes
on YouTube. My youngest son goes down these rabbit holes
about geology and earthquakes and this sort of stuff. And

(18:34):
he says, instead of question of if there will be
a massive tsunami that is going to hit Oregon, it's
just might not happen in our lifetimes, but it's going
to happen because you've got plates that are pushing against
each other. So now what they're basically saying is that
we can have a massive earthquake that the Cascadian faults
that then end up triggering the San Andreas fault.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
After thousands of years of studies, they are unearthed, literally
unearthed that proves that this is the possibility of happening.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Now.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
The expert that I spoke with tonight says this is
a very unique situation and says the author of the
study isn't afraid to make assumptions and also says that
this is something that he has been kind of theorizing
for the last twenty years now. While he does say
that the evidence in this study does make the idea
a little bit more we'll say possible here, he does
say that it's still pretty unlikely.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Oh yeah, but we thrive on unlikely.

Speaker 8 (19:26):
You know, it would be an oh my gosh event.
On the other hand, the indications are is not common.
It wouldn't be the next thing we'd expect to see.
It's one of those things that could hit and have
a tremendous impact if it's the full extent that he's arguing.
And so, yeah, it's an oh my gosh event, but

(19:47):
likely that isn't that high.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
So, according to the studies studiers, the smarter guys, they
say that this has happened where You've got the Cascadia
Mega Thrust, Cascadia Meg Cascadia Mega Thrust.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
That sounds dirty. I feel like it needs more gravitas.
How can you get more gravity?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Cascadia Mega Thrust Mega.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
I think I had that on VHS back in the
Yeah you did.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
It's Holmes Cascadia Mega Threat, Cascadia Mega Thrust.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Wha, how's that? You're ready for a monster truck show?
Mega thrust?

Speaker 5 (20:41):
Oh yeah, sounds like what's going up against Bigfoot?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
This join us this.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Sunday, Sunday Sunday one.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
It's every five hundred years than you. Cascadia Mega Thrust.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
I think we're onto something here that sounds like a
giant suv. Oh my god, the GMC Mega throw.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
No, it would be great if it came out from
another company, like uh, you know, you know, whether it's
off road or off to school, the new Kia Mega Thrust, right,
I want one perfect anyway, If the Cascadia has a

(21:29):
Mega thrust that does end up doing this, they say
about once every five hundred years, and they're they're talking
seven to eight magnitude quakes, capable of up to nine
magnitude quakes. The last time it happened, they say it
was seventeen hundred and a tsunami recorded in Japan. But
it happens about once every five hundred years. So at

(21:52):
least three probable paired events, they say, in the last
fifteen hundred years, So it's it's not a question of if,
but when. And here's trouble too, when they say, oh,
it's a once every five one cinema millennia event. How
many times have we heard that in the last like
ten years. The flood in Texas that's a once every
five hundred year flood. And got a flood, and iway

(22:14):
once every five hundred years. So you got to drought
in California that's once every five hundred years, just like
last year's just like the years before.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Stuff's happening way too often.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
So when they say that we're about to have a
once every five hundred year met thrust, I wouldn't bank
on it, you know, being every five hundred years. Everything's
happening faster now, all right, I gotta get advice from
our our therapist, because, come to find out, it's possible
you have been way too nice to your wife wives.

(22:46):
You have had it way too good. You're gonna find
out why next. Chris Merril Cafi AM six forty were
live everywhere in the iHeart Radio AB. Mark Ronner live
from the KFI twenty four hour News Rule.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Oh nice, Hey, good evening.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
I'm Chris Meryl Cafi AM six forty. More stimulating talk.
We have dead celebrities that are mad. You didn't think
that was possible. It is. You're gonna find out why
that is coming up here after Mark's news at nine o'clock.
So imagine that you are, You're in a dating profile,

(23:18):
you're picking a business partner right, and you're you're always
picking the charming, the bold over the.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Quiet, the introvert right.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Come to find out that being nice can actually cost
people opportunities in in the in work, in relationships, in status. Basically,
if you're nice, you're looked at as a beta and
you don't get picked. Scientists now say that nice guys
do finish last. Men in agreeableness who are high in

(23:51):
agreeableness rather are less likely to be in relationships than
more argumentative men.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Extrovert men win.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Male extraversion predicted greater dating success, as certiveness and sociability
helping men to land partners and anxious men struggle if
you if it's a guy who's a neurotic.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Poorer dating outcomes, well, I think that's kind of obvious. Women.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
However, it doesn't matter if a woman is nice or horrible,
still equally as likely to be in a relationship. Let
me turn to Sam, who is a therapist and plays
on the radio for I'm guessing Escape Sam Sanity. Yeah,
I appreciate that. Let me drag you back into your

(24:37):
own health. Have you noticed this that nice guys have
trouble maintaining relationships?

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I mean, do women?

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Are women not attracted to nice guys? That old adage
that as guy's finished last.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
There's something maybe to the part of people liking having
a fixer up or somebody that they.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Need to like.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
They see the good in them, but it's got some
grime on it, and they want to be the one
to help clean them up and be the supportive person,
where a lot.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Of nice guys they don't.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
Things may start getting boring with nice guys because you
were talking about, like, you know, introverts and extroverts and
the differences that they have dating quality wise. It's a
lot of nice guys who just choose to stay indoors nowadays.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
So you've got to be broken in order to keep
the woman around, she has to always have a project.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Well not necessarily, you don't have to be broken, but like,
there's people tend to like people who stand on business
more and who aren't just going to, you know, bend
to the whims of other people. And it's an attractive
quality when you have someone who's willing to stand on

(25:46):
their own two feet and be assertive. But there's a
you know, like there's a line between being assertive and
being you know, being forcefully assertive and being appropriately you know,
have like an appropriate level of assertiveness. It's a thing
that I talk about a lot with my clients is
assertive assertiveness training. And it's important to know how to

(26:07):
be appropriately assertive. And the definition of appropriate assertiveness is
how to ask for your needs to be met with
the minimal amount of effort possible.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
That's where my that's where my passive aggressiveness comes in
and explain, please, that is the least amount of effort. Well,
that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
If you're going to make it so that you're like
the if people are noticing that you're barely putting in effort.
There's a difference between putting in the right level of
effort to get that need. Well I'm just sting yeah, yeah,
that's what I do. And that does that solve anything?

Speaker 3 (26:46):
No, because obviously she's too dense to figure it out.
What are you stewing over? Like everything?

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Like, there'll be times that, you know, I can't think
of it a specific now, but it's the old adage
about you know, it was never really about loading the dishwasher.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
It was always about something else.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
But I will just I'll be like, hmm, look at
the way she loads a dishwasher.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Well that's how you know what. I'm gonna run it
the way she loads it and see how she likes it.
That's what I do. But she's too dumb to figure
it out. She's like, oh, good, he ran the dishwasher.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
No, obviously I ran that dishwasher so you would see
how terrible you loaded the dishwasher. But she's like, oh, well,
you know, he just he ran the dishwasher because he
wanted to get the dishes done.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Why doesn't she pick up on my on my pretty
obvious hints.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Why are you giving hints instead of just speaking overtly
what you want to get done?

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Why?

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Because I was raised from it and I have with
a lot of people in relationships.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
They bread crumb everything, you know what the whole issue is.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I just avoid the conflict because my wife doesn't take criticism.
Nobody wants to be criticized in fairness. Oh yeah, but
she's not. She's really bad at it.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
But how you deliver the criticism determines what direction it goes.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I know.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
But if I'm nice about it, she says I'm weak?
Does she call you weak in her mind?

Speaker 3 (28:00):
See? I pick up on that.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
There's a guy who is He calls himself a conflict strategist,
which I didn't know was a thing, but I guess
it is. Really Yeah, Ryan Dunlap is his name, and
he was on your favorite streaming service, guys, it's a YouTube.
So he was talking about there are consequences of being
a nice person. I'm curious Sam about your take on
whether or not he's onto something or if he's fishing.

(28:26):
Here here's what he said about the nice guy's finishing last.

Speaker 9 (28:28):
Do nice guys really finish last? They might, but not
for the reasons you think. You know, For many people,
niceness isn't rooted in their conviction. It's often rooted in
their comfort. It's like a performance, a way of keeping
the peace, avoiding rejection, or maintaining favor.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
That rather nihilistic. Maybe I just want to be nice
to people. Honestly, I don't know that I want to
be nice to people as much as I just don't
want to be mean to people. I don't like the
way I feel if i'm if I'm grumpy with somebody, And.

Speaker 9 (29:03):
When the performance stops working, when the people still get
hurt or overlooked, their mask cracks, and behind that mask
is often resentment. You know, a lot of people have
confused niceness with goodness. But goodness isn't soft, It isn't passive.
Goodness has a spine, It tells the truth, It sets boundaries.
Goodness is not always liked, it's not always popular, but

(29:24):
it is always rooted in what's right.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Wait a minute, who doesn't like goodness? Sam?

Speaker 5 (29:31):
I'm okay with goodness, but some of the things he
was talking about ahead of that, I have some questions.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
With Okay, all right, let me continue here, because he
talks about that mask coming.

Speaker 9 (29:39):
Off now when people feel that acting nice has cost
them too much, they don't just stop acting nice, they
stop being good. They've become cold, selfish, sometimes even hostile.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
That feels like a broad generality, it does. It sounds
like that might be his reaction to it.

Speaker 9 (29:55):
Okay, not because they've matured, but because their ego couldn't
handle the cost of pretending to be nice. You know,
it's one thing to effectively defend yourself and stand up
for yourself. It's something entirely different to go on the
attack and to become an aggressor.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
I mean, I agree with that last clause, but I
don't know that it matches up with I feel like
he's really assuming that if you're if you're not getting
what you want as a nice guy, then you're gonna
try to be a bad guy. And that sounds like
a really thin plot on a bad rom com.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Well, it's also like your kindness is only contingent on
that some on the idea that somebody is going to
take effort to reach out and meet your needs. And transactional, right, yeah,
everything has become transactional in that it's like, okay, well,
as long as I do this, as long as I'm
a good person, then my needs are gonna be totally
met within a relationship, and.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
If they're not, I'm gonna get I'm gonna turn into
a jerk.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Relationships take a lot more work than just being nice.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Oh yeah, Plus I feel like you have to you
have to. I feel like niceness comes from within. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
I mean if if somebody breaking up with you or
breaking your heart it makes you all of a sudden
not a nice person, or he changes you into somebody
who's broken and jaded and angry, it's like, yeah, no,
at that point, the problem becomes you because at that point,
you're now a slave to that one memory.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, and not what I should be a slave to,
which is my out of control ego.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
Well yeah, obviously, but no, if people are gonna just
allow that moment to happen, then you're basically handing whoever
it is that broke your heart the keys to your
emotional car, and you're gonna let them control wherever, whatever
direction it goes. If they want to drive it into
a ditch, you emotionally are gonna let them drive it
into that ditch.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
So I think what we've learned here is be careful
when you're trying to get advice from YouTube for free.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
So yeah, just yeah. Exercise extraordinary caution.

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