Why didn’t the family do something when they saw the shooter's face all over the news? David Kaczynski, the brother of “Unabomber” Ted Kaczynski, said he hopes his brother wasn’t a model for the suspect in the UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting. The Manifesto: Luigi Mangione, who has been charged with killing the chief executive of UnitedHealthcare at a company investors’ day, was arrested with a notebook that detailed plans for the shooting, according to two law enforcement officials. How Bad Is It? A primary care physician in the wake of a UnitedHealthcare CEO’s killing has highlighted growing frustrations within the medical community over insurance company practices, particularly aggressive claim denials. Inspiring Violence: As New York City prosecutors worked Thursday to bring murder charges against Luigi Mangione in the brazen killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, supporters of the suspect are donating tens of thousands of dollars for a defense fund established for him, leaving law enforcement officials worried Mangione is being turned into a martyr.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Hurt Radio, Apple, that kind of stuff. So the United
Healthcare shooter Mangioni is a guy's name, and this guy
is splitting the internet. You got half the internet. It's like, oh,
sexy shooter. He's hot guilty, he's hot guilty. You get that.
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It's hot guilty. What's the other one? The other term
that they're calling. They're calling him the adjuster, like the equalizer.
He's the adjuster. Okay, relax people. So imagine that you
are his family and you see him popping up on
the TV. Now. Some people are hypothesizing that his motivation
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may have been witnessing his mother undergoing a great deal
of pain. They say that his mom, Kathleen, was dying
diagnosed with neuropathy, a nerve condition that causes a range
of symptoms from tingling, numbness, burning sensations to pain, which
she was just forty one, a diagnosis that came after
a decade of pain and discomfort, and according to one person,
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some such document, I guess I don't know if this
is from his manifesto anyway, says that started ten years
before her diagnosis with the burning sensation, sharp stabbing pains.
At first, the pain would last only a few moments,
fade to tingling, and nothing a few days later. The
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first time the pain came, she ignored it. Then the
pain came a couple times a year, and she ignored it,
then every couple of months, then every couple times a month,
then every couple times a week. At that point, by
the time the tingling faded to numbness, the pain would start,
and the discomfort was constant. At that point, even going
from the couch the kitchen made her own to make
her own lunch became a major endeavor. So maybe he
was feeling upset for his mom and he wanted to
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lash out exactly know what that story is. Imagine that
you are a family member and you see your son, brother, nephew,
father show up on the screen wanted in a murder.
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What do you do? Well? Is there a reward? Oh,
it's funny you mentioned that, Yes, there is a reward.
I'm glad you brought that up, Andrew, because I want
to get into the reward just a little bit. New
York was offering ten thousand, and FBI was offering fifty thousand. Yeah. Yeah,
I got some bills to pay. That's another to do. Yeah.
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Here's the thing, this is why you never rat anybody out. So,
according to NPR, the tipster, who has not been publicly identified,
notified an employee who then called nine to one one,
and the Pennsylvania governor called this person a hero. During
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the days long multi state manhunt, both the state and
federal l enforcement offering the reward total of sixty thousand dollars.
The individual in Pennsylvania who called in a tip is
eligible to receive the reward. According to the New York
City Police Foundation, there are several hefty strings attached, however. Notably,
both the NYPD and FBI stipulate that the tips must
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lead to an arrest and conviction. Mangioni was arrested on
five charges in Pennsylvania, including I llegal possession of a
fire arm blah blah blah. He's fighting extradition, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Even if it does happen, it's not guaranteed that anyone
individual will get the full sixty thousand dollars, especially considering
taxes and the possibility of the reward being split between
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multiple people. NYPD officials said that more than four hundred
tips came in during the period, with about thirty of
them proving useful about the gunman's whereabouts. So they might
be taking that sixty grand and splitting it up and
then it's getting taxed. Sixty grand you just rolled on
your brother for Andrew. That turned into two thousand minus
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a hefty tax bill. How many bills you paying off
with your twelve hundred bucks? Get me through a couple months? Yeah,
I got you. Pay a couple weeks worth the rent.
Any credit card you know? Yeah, I got you. It
is Christmas, all right? Yeah, a lot of bills to
pay Holidays are here. Yeah. I guess the mother was
talking to the FBI. This was ABC seven had the story.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
We're learning that Luigi Mangioni's name may have already been
on the FBI's radar before a tip led to his
arrest in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, because Ma ratted him out.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I recognize those eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I don't know why she turned cockney, but she did.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
ABC News is reporting the FBI interviewed Magngioni's mother as
they tried to find the killer of the United Healthcare CEO.
She had filed a missing person to report about him.
Last month, oh Maggioni's mother reportedly confirmed the person seen
on surveillance images could be her son.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Man, I would have shut up. I would have called
a lawyer if I thought that was my kid, I'd
be getting I'd be getting a hold of a lawyer fast.
I'd be getting a hold of him, and I'd be
getting hold of a lawyer same yep. And I go
listen Luigi or they probably call him.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Lou or Mario.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
No they don't. Yeah, come on, they call him Mario.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, well I mean that, but in my mind they do.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Okay, fair, let's roll with it. So they call him
up and they go listen Mario, Luigi. Uh, we see
you on the TV. Everybody sees you on the TV.
We have to we got to handle this. Let's get
you to a safe place. We'll get an attorney, we'll
go through the process. Make sure you don't say anything
stupid and don't turn over any evidence. But instead he
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doesn't answer his phone, and they catch him with the
manifesto and the murder weapon and everything else.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Prominent attorney Karen Freedman on them. Fellow will represent him.
She previously worked as the Manhattan Chief Assistant District Attorney
Manngioni's next court date is set for December twenty third.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
All right, so hold on twenty third. It's a week
from tomorrow. Am I doing my math's right? Yeah? A
week from tomorrow, all right. I would not have I
don't think I would have just been like, yeah, that's him.
Would have immediately called a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
You couldn't torture that information out of me.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's oh torture. Yeah, I'll definitely give him up for that.
But this is one thing is I'm getting older. When
I'm younger, I just I argue with authority until I
know I'm beat, and then I just give up to authority.
Right as I'm older, I go, you know what, if
I can't beat authority, I'll find somebody that can. Let's
call some lawyers. That's what I would be doing right now,
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especially because the family sounds like they've got some cash, right.
They sound like they're flush. It's not like they're hard
up for money. They've Grandpa started a country club. Mom's
on the board of the country club. Grandpa owned a
talk radio station. Oh that's why they're broke. Yeah, right,
I get that he owns h Grandpa owned a WCBM
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Baltimore WCBM News Time five twelve. Thanks for listening to
WCBM on your ride home. Here's the latest from WCBM news.
Just imagining how their sounds probably stuffy, not fun and
cool like Andrew does. Did you see that he was
referencing the Unibomber in his manifesto stuff?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I was just talking about, like, the Unibomber is not
that bad. Everybody's missing, he's misunderstood. Oh man, there are
some Unibombers. Yeah, I mean there's some Unibomber like similarities, right, well,
I mean just similarities in that Unibomber hated capitalism. He
didn't like civilization advancing the way that it was. Uh.
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And I think that this this shooter, this man GIONI
I think it hold on. At one point he said,
oh yeah, may have been a model. Oh. The brother
of the Unibomber says that he hopes that Ted Kazinski
was not a model for his behavior. But I'm telling
you he said something about this. I'm seeing if I
can find the quote here because I was reading it earlier.
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They just MANGIONI said something about how he was he's
not crazy, he's just he's a revolutionary, said he should
be in jail. I think Ted Kazinski offed himself a
couple of years back, but he said he said, basically,
he's misunderstood. He was a revolutionary hero at the time,
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and it's like things not great, but this is sort
of the fallout. Kelly, I'm sure you don't remember because
you're too young. Andrew, I think you're probably too young too.
Let me let me talk to the old man, Raoul.
You remember when they published that manifesto in all the papers, right,
That was weird, wasn't it. I mean, because he's so smart,
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so you know, I know, you kind of expect the
criminal to be dumb, but like that guy was not dumb.
Junebamber was. He was a brilliant mathematician. I was reading
up as I was trying to figure out some of
these other similarities, because again, this Luigi dude was he
was valedictorian at a private school, went to an Ivy
League college, all this kind of stuff. Ted Kaczinski went
to Harvard. Then he did his masters at the University
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of Michigan, So that's a downgrade. And then I can
say that I'm a fan. And then I was reading
about like his PhD and the thesis and the other
stuff that he was working on and the other math
mentors said basically, there are maybe a dozen people on
the planet that could have done some of the stuff
that he was doing, which is remarkable. And then obviously
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he went into hiding and started mailing out bombs in
the late seventies. MANGIONI not as smart as Ted Kaczinski,
but I am fascinated by the parallels. And I'm fascinated
by the fact that had the FBI not printed that
manifesto and they debated it at the time. Keller, let
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me bring up to speak on this because I'm really
do you you don't recall any of the unibomber stuff, right?
I think that manifesto was published in ninety five.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, I was only four years old, so I wasn't
really reading. Are not four now?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, that's why you're behind the times. So so he
was taunting the FBI and he said, here's my manifesto.
Print this in full in the major newspapers or there's
going to be another bombing, and the FBI had no
idea where he was. They had no clue, and they
had to make a decision. Are we willing to risk things?
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Are we just going to publish this so that they
end up They read it and they go, this is
a madman. People who see this will think this is
a madman. They publish it, and as a result of
the publication, Kazinski's brother reads it and says, this sounds
like my brother who's off the grid and nutty. This
sounds like my brother. Calls the FBI and goes, I'm
pretty sure this is my brother and rats out his
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own brother, and that's how they catch the unibomber. However,
not everybody thought Ted Kazinski was crazy, and they start
reading what he has to say and it it starts
to connect. And that's what happened here. This dude reads
this unibomber manifesto and starts to go, yeah, you know,
you make some really good points, and then down the rabbit,
holy goes and suddenly you're shooting the CEO of a
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healthcare company. Now that said, what is the rationale? And
how could it have actually been worse? As the Internet
continues to be divided. I'll tell you how Mangioni's plans
may have involved, at one point, potentially taking out innocent people.
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All right, So the manifesto gets snagged, right, So they
find the manesto on this UHC CEO shooter. They get
him at McDonald's. Mind you. I don't know if you
saw it Saturday at Live last night, but I thought
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they made a really great point. The shooter was all
about anti capitalism, anti big business, anti is. His manifesto
was all about how businesses are running. And before the
shooting he went to Starbucks and then he was caught
at McDonald's. So how anti capitalistic are you? Then? Maybe
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support local businesses? Huh, unbelievable. So in the manifesto says,
what do you do? You whacked the CEO of the
end at the annual Parasitic Bean counter Convention. It's targeted
precise and doesn't risk innocence, he said, So that's what
he thought, I'm going to do this. It could have
been worse, because evidently at some point this dude considered
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what would happen if I used a bomb in downtown Manhattan.
MANGIONI appearing in court last Tuesday fighting the extradition in
New York. That's a waste of time, but whatever, he's
got nothing else to do. Three D printed pistol, black
silencer manifesto condemning the healthcare system, spiral notebook writing a
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to do list ahead of the shooting. In it, he
allegedly toyed with the idea of using a bomb to
kill Brian Thompson, the CEO of United Healthcare, but he
decided against the prospect because it could kill innocence. But
he thought about it. So what happens when the next
person isn't so dedicated to making sure innocent people aren't hurt?
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This is this is the concern that I have going
forward here, and we'll talk a little bit more about copycats.
I think, yeah, I got copycats. A little bit later
on the hour here, because we're already starting to see it. Sadly,
we are already starting to see some of the copycat
nonsense in fact, and a lot of people are catching
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hell for this because in America today, you're supposed to
be either all in or all out. There is no
nuance left. Nuance is a dirty word. There is no
more gray area. You're either with me or against me.
I was talking with my son about this earlier too,
and he says, it's crazy. The guy murdered someone. I
can't ever get on board with the murderer, and so
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this is horrible. And I said, what if, I said,
is there a circumstance where you do? He says, I can't.
What did he say? Something of the effective I can't
condone someone murdering an innocent person? And I said, could
you condone them murdering a not so innocent person? And
he goes, well, I mean I would get that. And
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I said, okay, good, let's have a conversation. I said,
I one hundred percent agree with you. This murder is wrong.
This murder is abhorrent. Its murder is terrible, but it
was not without what he believed was purpose. He believed
there was purpose to this, and that is that the
healthcare CEO is picking and choosing who lives or who
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dies based on how much they can return to their shareholders.
That's what that's what he thinks. And now my son
has worked a little bit with my wife. My wife
has worked in a revenue cycle in healthcare administration, so
she's dealt with the insurance companies. I can't tell you
how many conversations we've had about the unscrupulous practices of
the of the insurance companies and how shady they are.
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And I said, you've seen it, you know what they do.
And he says, yeah, yeah, he says, but this guy
didn't do it. He says, it's systemic. I always I
appreciate having conversations with my son. He's twenty five. He's
a bit idealistic, but he's not dumb. And so he said,
you know, this guy wasn't denying claims. This guy wasn't
the one who was putting people through the wringer. This
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isn't the guy that was saying you can't have your
cancer treatment. He was just the figurehead. And I said,
you're kind of explaining my point for me. I mean,
you are describing exactly what the issue is here, that
he's the figurehead. He is the face of the insurance
company that is making decisions on who gets or who
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doesn't get the latest cancer treatment. No wonder people are frustrated,
and it's so emblematic. I was looking at some of
the different news stories that we're popping up, and get
this one of the news agencies, and I don't have
it in front of me. Here they were discussing the
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potential trial. Now. I think it's going to be a
circus once this happens in Manhattan. There's going to be
a circus at this trial anyway, because we're already divided
on it. As soon as he hits the courts, we're
going to have all the women are saying set him
free so he can marry me, and all this kind
of nonsense. But here's the money. Quote says they will
have a hard time finding jurors who do not feel
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they've been treated unfairly by the healthcare industry. The quote
from from the legal expert. I think most people, when
question about that issue, will say, yeah, I dealt with
a healthcare industry that I was unhappy with. This is
shining a light on a problem that we have forever
dealt with alone. We complain to one another. But there's
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been there's been no movement on this, and we have
insurance commissioners that are supposed to be looking out for
us and they're not. Why it's America, man. You got
the money, you buy off the politicians, problem solved, and
then you make more money. You've seen this with big insurance,
big oil, big whatever. I mean, for Peene's sake, Elon
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Musk is now telling Trump, what if we just stopped
having crash reporting data on electric vehicles. What a great idea.
I wonder who's going to benefit from that? And money
makes America go around man? And the proletariat is not
happy about this. So how bad is it? I'm not
just whistling Dixie. I'll give you examples. Next. Chris MERRILF
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the iHeartRadio app. Okay, So the killing of the United
Healthcare CEO is shining a light on how messed up
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our health insurance industry. Is. Taylor Lorentz is an op
ed columnist, and I guess she went out with Piers
Morgan and she said this is lighting a fire under people,
which Piers Morgan didn't let her finish. She then interrupted
her and said, you support murder and she said no,
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I don't. He says, well, that's it. We're not gonna
have a murder on anymore. That was pretty much it.
So the interview goes viral. So Taylor Lorentz goes on
to News Nation to kind of explain what Peers Morgan
didn't allow her.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
To finish, saying, what I did say before I was
rudely interrupted by Peers is I felt joy that people
myself and the millions of other Americans feel joy that
this issue is finally receiving attention.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So she said, I feel joy, and then that's when
Peers Morgan jumped on her because clickbait interviews, that is
what I said.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
So just to be clear, absolutely in zero context that
I say I felt joy that a man's life was lost.
I am against death in all forms. I am against
the death penalty. I do not think that we want
to resolve things in any capacity by gun violence. It
is lucky that no one else was hurt. That is
usually the case with how shootings go.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So that remark on that show was taken wildly out
of context.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Well, Piers had promoted an edited clip that cut off
the rest of my statement. So yeah, if you take
a single word and you apply it to a completely
deaf different sentence that I never said, then sure you
can manufacture a lot of outrage that way. It's a
shame because I think it's this is a really important
discussion to have, and I think the media's of you know,
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obsession with this sort of click bait outrage stuff is
ultimately quite dangerous.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I agree with that. And here's what I mean by this.
There has been so much conversation about the attractiveness of
this guy, and I know that's where Calely gets hung
up too. She's she sees a oh good looking guy
East Coast made me take me a.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Luig gi a really good impersonation of me.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Nothing what she was doing, Okay, Okay, So I get
he's good looking. I know it's kind of a fun meme.
Uh side attraction to the whole thing right. I don't
think that the people outside the courthouse are going to
be protesting or supporting this guy because he's attractive. I
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don't think that this story took on a life of
its own because the killer is attractive. And I say
that for two reasons. The first is this story blew
up before we knew what he looked like without his
face mask on. Remember it was only later that we
found out. Basically he was flirting with somebody and pulled
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his mask down. Had he been able to keep it
in his pants, metaphorically speaking, he might not have ever
been caught. But we were fascinated by the shooting in
the first place. And the other is what hits Americans
from the wealthiest to the poorest is not, hey, here's
a good looking Italian kid from the East Coast. That's
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not it sure. That is an aspect of the narrative.
His intelligence is an aspect of the narrative. His back
pain an aspect of the narrative. His mother's neuropathy and
aspect of the narrative. All this stuff. But the biggest thing,
and the reason this resonates with people, is because while
most of us are not going to take a gun,
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and kill someone. There are thousands of people nationwide who
hold insurance companies directly responsible for the death of a
loved one, and it felt powerless. And the fact that
we continue to see insurance costs rise year after year
after year after year, and health care costs rise year
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after year after year after year, and medical debt become
a larger and larger portion of our overall American debt
and nobody seems to care is so incredibly frustrating that
what this guy has become is a symbol of our
outrage and frustration. Nobody is saying you should go out
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and kill I can't say nobody because we have the Internet.
But most people are not saying go out and murder people.
We're not saying that. What we're saying is the proletariat
has had enough the bourgeois who can tell you to
stick it to those of us who are paying our premiums,
who are seeing an ever increasing deductible, who are seeing
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ever increasing costs when we do go to the doctor,
and who are being shunned by our own politicians because
the politicians are taking money from the insurance companies to
do as they want. What do you, I mean, do
you expect people to just sit and take it. I mean,
at some point people stop taking it now. Again, I'm
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not advocating violence, but I am not surprised that it's happening.
At some point, somebody cracks. At some point, somebody says
no more. And evidently for this guy, I don't know
if it was all because of the because of his
back pain, if it was because of his mother or what,
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but at some point somebody is gonna rise up and
they're gonna say, oh, is as well. I'm not amore,
I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take this anymore.
There is a reason that we have seen empires fall
because of uprisings. When the politicians and those with the
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power and the money start to act in their own
best interests and start forgetting the masses. At some point
the masses say, as mad as hell to take now.
There are examples here. I've got a a story. Of course.
Everybody's running around, they're trying to grab people that they
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can find. Here's a dude, Gary schmid is his name.
Our insurance is throwing a curveball at us like this,
and I've got days to solve it. It's unacceptable He
says he's running out of time to get radiation therapy
because he's got throat cancer. His wife says Anton Blue
Cross Blue Shield is denying their claim, saying they deny
it as if they know more than our doctors at
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the MA know about what is best to treat his cancer.
Schmid says his treatment plan started with surgery to remove
his tumors. Anthem signed off on that procedure, but they're
not the radiation that follows. According to him, it doesn't
make sense that they're almost a la carte my treatment.
It's cancer treatment. He explains the radiation is only effective
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if it happens within six weeks of the surgery, and
that that was a month ago. Because of rare complications.
Schmidt says everything was pushed back even before the denial.
He says, I didn't know if I was gonna make it.
It was so scary, and so it's just been a
lot to go through. Schmidt says he's doing better and
the tumors are gone, but the medical team says the
next step is the radiation. He said, it's not like
somebody wants to get radiation, you know, but your doctor's
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telling you you need this yeah, one hundred percent. If
I don't have the radiation treatment, there's a twenty percent
more chance of the cancer returns. So they're messing with
twenty percent more of my life at that point. Wouldn't
you want the radiation treatment to me too? And Anthem says, well,
you know, maybe we just see if it comes back.
Let's just hold off in that radiation, see if your
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cancer returns. Primary primary care physician talking with News Nation,
doctor Saju Matthew, twenty year veteran physician, saying that insurance
companies are increasingly blocking critical medical procedures through complex prior
authorization processes. We as doctors, have been crying, screaming at
the top of our lungs regarding how lots of insurance
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companies are denying claims on a daily basis. He said
it examples of patients being unable to obtain routine tests
like mammograms without extensive bureaucratic hurdles. So with the insurance companies,
you've got the pre authorization thing to start with, and
then on the flip side, you've got them denying claims
after those claims are submitted, and they are shady. Let
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me give you an example, Cale, imagine you've got a
mailbox at work, right, and let's say that your mailbox
is number three, and and Raoul's got mailbox number four.
If you go to your mailbox and you pull out
whatever is in there, and you see that there's a
letter that is directed to Raoul, what would you do
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with that letter? I mean, the obvious answer is you
take the letter and you put it in Raoul's mailbox,
or you go hand it to them directly. Right. However,
with insurance companies, what they'll do is they'll say, if
you want to appeal a claim, it has to go
to mailbox three. If you want to submit additional correspondence
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for that claim, it needs to go to mailbox four.
If you're filing an initial claim, that needs to go
to mailbox twenty two. So let's say that you send
an initial you send an appeal in to mailbox twenty two.
Or let's say that you send in your correspondence what
they call core in the business, and you send the
correspondence to the appeals mailbox. You know what they'll do.
They'll send it back and they'll say wrong mailbox. And
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then you go, I don't know why you couldn't have
just walked it down the hall, but that's what they do.
And then, and this is the simplest example I could
come up with, And then you go, fine, I will
send the appeal to this mailbox. Now they won't tell
you which one. They'll just say return to send a
wrong mailbox. Then you have to go through the steps
trying to find it. And this is if you are
a billing company, if you were a provider, this is
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after it's gone out, after it's come back, after they've
taken a week to look at it, after it's come
back into your mailbox, and then you mail it back
to the right the right mailbox, and then they'll say
denied for timely filing, denied for timely fu sorry you
didn't file this in time. Oh no I did. It's
just that somebody was too. I'm just gonna say lazy
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to hand it to the person in the next cubicle.
But the truth is it's not about being lazy. It's
about figuring out ways to not pay. That's the policy.
How do we not pay? And that's why people are frustrated,
and it's why we're starting to see the copycats. I'll
share with you what some of these copycats are doing.
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That is next. I'm Chris Merril KFI AM six forty.
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Hey, Chris Merril, kfi AM six forty. More stimulating talk
on demand anytime the iHeartRadio app. This shooting with the
UHC CEO, there are concerns that others may want to follow.
Suit News Nation was talking with a Business Insider contributer,
Scott Novra, and they asked him about copycats.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
How concerned should officials be that others might use this
shooting as an example.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
They were always concerned about that. You know, you've heard
the term copycat, and this is exactly what law enforcement
is always concerned about. Any time any one of these
high profile shootings occur, any type of hope profile, high
profile type case. Islaw enforcements always concerned that you're going
to have copycats out there. And you know, I wouldn't
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be surprised if we see more of this occurring around
the country.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
All right, So that's a problem, right, we don't want
more of that to happen. Oh, we already are to Florida.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
The suspect charge with murdering Brian Thompson was never ensured
by United Healthcare, and as authorities worked to secure an indictment,
investigators are looking into whether Luigi Mangioni targeted the company
because of its size. The company telling ABC News Brian
Thompson's killer was not a member of United Healthcare. Okay,
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so the NYPD tails NBC New York. Mangioni did, however,
mention it's the fifth largest corporation in America.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
And their CEOs walking around on the street in New
York so and his whereabouts was being publicized because he
was going to be at the investor meeting. This is
why so many other CEOs of other large corporations are
now hiring some personal security.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
We anticipate that before very long, he'll be brought back
to New York, where he needs to be facing the consequences.
Get the audacious attack on the streets of New York City.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Police have already searched the Manhattan hust blah blah, get Ahead.
Mincioni is locked in a cell nearly identical to this one,
his supporters donating tens of thousands of dollars to online
legal defense funds, including one set up anonymously on Give
Send Go, the group saying we are not here to
celebrate violence. In Seattle, this chilling message appeared briefly on
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a road sign threatening other CEOs.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Oh yeah, there was like a weird billboard that popped up.
It was like yourn at.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
The city blaming a private construction contractor, and a Florida
woman charged with threatening her insurance company after it denied
her claim. In a phone call, Breonna Boston allegedly saying
delay denied depose.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
You people are next?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
WHOA? The delay denied to pose is the take off
of the three d's of insurance, which is delay, deny, defend.
But the delay deny depose. That is what was written
on the shell casings that were found near Brian Thompson's body.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Repeating the words police sate were written on the shooter's bullets.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I just said that investigators they were written on the casings.
The bullets actually were in the victim, but carry.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Out investigator say. She later claims she doesn't own a
firearm and isn't a danger to anyone, and Manchioni's lawyer
says he intends to plead not guilty. His extradition. Hearing
a schedule for December thirty eight.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
All right, so he's going to try to drag this
out as long as he can, which is his right
to do whatever. Meanwhile, who's making donations to this guy online?
Is it because he's super cute? Kayla?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Is it because he's super cute? Or is it because
they feel like he's he took action where so many
other people feel powerless that too. Do you think it's
just because he's hot?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Well, I think if an ugly person did it, they
probably and get as much support. Unfortunately, we live in
a society that beauty does matter, so he does fit
a certain beauty standard and people are going to suppore
him based off of that.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And who like Robinhood, he could start a whole new
business only killers.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
I don't know how popular that would be, all right?
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Hurt Radio, Apple, that kind of stuff. So the United
Healthcare shooter Mangioni is a guy's name, and this guy
is splitting the internet. You got half the internet. It's like, oh,
sexy shooter. He's hot guilty, he's hot guilty. You get that.
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It's hot guilty. What's the other one? The other term
that they're calling. They're calling him the adjuster, like the equalizer.
He's the adjuster. Okay, relax people. So imagine that you
are his family and you see him popping up on
the TV. Now. Some people are hypothesizing that his motivation
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may have been witnessing his mother undergoing a great deal
of pain. They say that his mom, Kathleen, was dying
diagnosed with neuropathy, a nerve condition that causes a range
of symptoms from tingling, numbness, burning sensations to pain, which
she was just forty one, a diagnosis that came after
a decade of pain and discomfort, and according to one person,
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some such document, I guess I don't know if this
is from his manifesto anyway, says that started ten years
before her diagnosis with the burning sensation, sharp stabbing pains.
At first, the pain would last only a few moments,
fade to tingling, and nothing a few days later. The
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first time the pain came, she ignored it. Then the
pain came a couple times a year, and she ignored it,
then every couple of months, then every couple times a month,
then every couple times a week. At that point, by
the time the tingling faded to numbness, the pain would start,
and the discomfort was constant. At that point, even going
from the couch the kitchen made her own to make
her own lunch became a major endeavor. So maybe he
was feeling upset for his mom and he wanted to
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lash out exactly know what that story is. Imagine that
you are a family member and you see your son, brother, nephew,
father show up on the screen wanted in a murder.
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What do you do? Well? Is there a reward? Oh,
it's funny you mentioned that, Yes, there is a reward.
I'm glad you brought that up, Andrew, because I want
to get into the reward just a little bit. New
York was offering ten thousand, and FBI was offering fifty thousand. Yeah. Yeah,
I got some bills to pay. That's another to do. Yeah.
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Here's the thing, this is why you never rat anybody out. So,
according to NPR, the tipster, who has not been publicly identified,
notified an employee who then called nine to one one,
and the Pennsylvania governor called this person a hero. During
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the days long multi state manhunt, both the state and
federal l enforcement offering the reward total of sixty thousand dollars.
The individual in Pennsylvania who called in a tip is
eligible to receive the reward. According to the New York
City Police Foundation, there are several hefty strings attached, however. Notably,
both the NYPD and FBI stipulate that the tips must
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lead to an arrest and conviction. Mangioni was arrested on
five charges in Pennsylvania, including I llegal possession of a
fire arm blah blah blah. He's fighting extradition, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Even if it does happen, it's not guaranteed that anyone
individual will get the full sixty thousand dollars, especially considering
taxes and the possibility of the reward being split between
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multiple people. NYPD officials said that more than four hundred
tips came in during the period, with about thirty of
them proving useful about the gunman's whereabouts. So they might
be taking that sixty grand and splitting it up and
then it's getting taxed. Sixty grand you just rolled on
your brother for Andrew. That turned into two thousand minus
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a hefty tax bill. How many bills you paying off
with your twelve hundred bucks? Get me through a couple months? Yeah,
I got you. Pay a couple weeks worth the rent.
Any credit card you know? Yeah, I got you. It
is Christmas, all right? Yeah, a lot of bills to
pay Holidays are here. Yeah. I guess the mother was
talking to the FBI. This was ABC seven had the story.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
We're learning that Luigi Mangioni's name may have already been
on the FBI's radar before a tip led to his
arrest in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, because Ma ratted him out.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I recognize those eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I don't know why she turned cockney, but she did.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
ABC News is reporting the FBI interviewed Magngioni's mother as
they tried to find the killer of the United Healthcare CEO.
She had filed a missing person to report about him.
Last month, oh Maggioni's mother reportedly confirmed the person seen
on surveillance images could be her son.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Man, I would have shut up. I would have called
a lawyer if I thought that was my kid, I'd
be getting I'd be getting a hold of a lawyer fast.
I'd be getting a hold of him, and I'd be
getting hold of a lawyer same yep. And I go
listen Luigi or they probably call him.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Lou or Mario.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
No they don't. Yeah, come on, they call him Mario.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, well I mean that, but in my mind they do.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Okay, fair, let's roll with it. So they call him
up and they go listen Mario, Luigi. Uh, we see
you on the TV. Everybody sees you on the TV.
We have to we got to handle this. Let's get
you to a safe place. We'll get an attorney, we'll
go through the process. Make sure you don't say anything
stupid and don't turn over any evidence. But instead he
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doesn't answer his phone, and they catch him with the
manifesto and the murder weapon and everything else.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Prominent attorney Karen Freedman on them. Fellow will represent him.
She previously worked as the Manhattan Chief Assistant District Attorney
Manngioni's next court date is set for December twenty third.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
All right, so hold on twenty third. It's a week
from tomorrow. Am I doing my math's right? Yeah? A
week from tomorrow, all right. I would not have I
don't think I would have just been like, yeah, that's him.
Would have immediately called a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
You couldn't torture that information out of me.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's oh torture. Yeah, I'll definitely give him up for that.
But this is one thing is I'm getting older. When
I'm younger, I just I argue with authority until I
know I'm beat, and then I just give up to authority.
Right as I'm older, I go, you know what, if
I can't beat authority, I'll find somebody that can. Let's
call some lawyers. That's what I would be doing right now,
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especially because the family sounds like they've got some cash, right.
They sound like they're flush. It's not like they're hard
up for money. They've Grandpa started a country club. Mom's
on the board of the country club. Grandpa owned a
talk radio station. Oh that's why they're broke. Yeah, right,
I get that he owns h Grandpa owned a WCBM
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WCBM on your ride home. Here's the latest from WCBM news.
Just imagining how their sounds probably stuffy, not fun and
cool like Andrew does. Did you see that he was
referencing the Unibomber in his manifesto stuff?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I was just talking about, like, the Unibomber is not
that bad. Everybody's missing, he's misunderstood. Oh man, there are
some Unibombers. Yeah, I mean there's some Unibomber like similarities, right, well,
I mean just similarities in that Unibomber hated capitalism. He
didn't like civilization advancing the way that it was. Uh.
(07:49):
And I think that this this shooter, this man GIONI
I think it hold on. At one point he said,
oh yeah, may have been a model. Oh. The brother
of the Unibomber says that he hopes that Ted Kazinski
was not a model for his behavior. But I'm telling
you he said something about this. I'm seeing if I
can find the quote here because I was reading it earlier.
(08:10):
They just MANGIONI said something about how he was he's
not crazy, he's just he's a revolutionary, said he should
be in jail. I think Ted Kazinski offed himself a
couple of years back, but he said he said, basically,
he's misunderstood. He was a revolutionary hero at the time,
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and it's like things not great, but this is sort
of the fallout. Kelly, I'm sure you don't remember because
you're too young. Andrew, I think you're probably too young too.
Let me let me talk to the old man, Raoul.
You remember when they published that manifesto in all the papers, right,
That was weird, wasn't it. I mean, because he's so smart,
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so you know, I know, you kind of expect the
criminal to be dumb, but like that guy was not dumb.
Junebamber was. He was a brilliant mathematician. I was reading
up as I was trying to figure out some of
these other similarities, because again, this Luigi dude was he
was valedictorian at a private school, went to an Ivy
League college, all this kind of stuff. Ted Kaczinski went
to Harvard. Then he did his masters at the University
(09:15):
of Michigan, So that's a downgrade. And then I can
say that I'm a fan. And then I was reading
about like his PhD and the thesis and the other
stuff that he was working on and the other math
mentors said basically, there are maybe a dozen people on
the planet that could have done some of the stuff
that he was doing, which is remarkable. And then obviously
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he went into hiding and started mailing out bombs in
the late seventies. MANGIONI not as smart as Ted Kaczinski,
but I am fascinated by the parallels. And I'm fascinated
by the fact that had the FBI not printed that
manifesto and they debated it at the time. Keller, let
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me bring up to speak on this because I'm really
do you you don't recall any of the unibomber stuff, right?
I think that manifesto was published in ninety five.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, I was only four years old, so I wasn't
really reading. Are not four now?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, that's why you're behind the times. So so he
was taunting the FBI and he said, here's my manifesto.
Print this in full in the major newspapers or there's
going to be another bombing, and the FBI had no
idea where he was. They had no clue, and they
had to make a decision. Are we willing to risk things?
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Are we just going to publish this so that they
end up They read it and they go, this is
a madman. People who see this will think this is
a madman. They publish it, and as a result of
the publication, Kazinski's brother reads it and says, this sounds
like my brother who's off the grid and nutty. This
sounds like my brother. Calls the FBI and goes, I'm
pretty sure this is my brother and rats out his
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own brother, and that's how they catch the unibomber. However,
not everybody thought Ted Kazinski was crazy, and they start
reading what he has to say and it it starts
to connect. And that's what happened here. This dude reads
this unibomber manifesto and starts to go, yeah, you know,
you make some really good points, and then down the rabbit,
holy goes and suddenly you're shooting the CEO of a
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healthcare company. Now that said, what is the rationale? And
how could it have actually been worse? As the Internet
continues to be divided. I'll tell you how Mangioni's plans
may have involved, at one point, potentially taking out innocent people.
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All right, So the manifesto gets snagged, right, So they
find the manesto on this UHC CEO shooter. They get
him at McDonald's. Mind you. I don't know if you
saw it Saturday at Live last night, but I thought
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they made a really great point. The shooter was all
about anti capitalism, anti big business, anti is. His manifesto
was all about how businesses are running. And before the
shooting he went to Starbucks and then he was caught
at McDonald's. So how anti capitalistic are you? Then? Maybe
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support local businesses? Huh, unbelievable. So in the manifesto says,
what do you do? You whacked the CEO of the
end at the annual Parasitic Bean counter Convention. It's targeted
precise and doesn't risk innocence, he said, So that's what
he thought, I'm going to do this. It could have
been worse, because evidently at some point this dude considered
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what would happen if I used a bomb in downtown Manhattan.
MANGIONI appearing in court last Tuesday fighting the extradition in
New York. That's a waste of time, but whatever, he's
got nothing else to do. Three D printed pistol, black
silencer manifesto condemning the healthcare system, spiral notebook writing a
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to do list ahead of the shooting. In it, he
allegedly toyed with the idea of using a bomb to
kill Brian Thompson, the CEO of United Healthcare, but he
decided against the prospect because it could kill innocence. But
he thought about it. So what happens when the next
person isn't so dedicated to making sure innocent people aren't hurt?
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This is this is the concern that I have going
forward here, and we'll talk a little bit more about copycats.
I think, yeah, I got copycats. A little bit later
on the hour here, because we're already starting to see it. Sadly,
we are already starting to see some of the copycat
nonsense in fact, and a lot of people are catching
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hell for this because in America today, you're supposed to
be either all in or all out. There is no
nuance left. Nuance is a dirty word. There is no
more gray area. You're either with me or against me.
I was talking with my son about this earlier too,
and he says, it's crazy. The guy murdered someone. I
can't ever get on board with the murderer, and so
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this is horrible. And I said, what if, I said,
is there a circumstance where you do? He says, I can't.
What did he say? Something of the effective I can't
condone someone murdering an innocent person? And I said, could
you condone them murdering a not so innocent person? And
he goes, well, I mean I would get that. And
(14:42):
I said, okay, good, let's have a conversation. I said,
I one hundred percent agree with you. This murder is wrong.
This murder is abhorrent. Its murder is terrible, but it
was not without what he believed was purpose. He believed
there was purpose to this, and that is that the
healthcare CEO is picking and choosing who lives or who
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dies based on how much they can return to their shareholders.
That's what that's what he thinks. And now my son
has worked a little bit with my wife. My wife
has worked in a revenue cycle in healthcare administration, so
she's dealt with the insurance companies. I can't tell you
how many conversations we've had about the unscrupulous practices of
the of the insurance companies and how shady they are.
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And I said, you've seen it, you know what they do.
And he says, yeah, yeah, he says, but this guy
didn't do it. He says, it's systemic. I always I
appreciate having conversations with my son. He's twenty five. He's
a bit idealistic, but he's not dumb. And so he said,
you know, this guy wasn't denying claims. This guy wasn't
the one who was putting people through the wringer. This
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isn't the guy that was saying you can't have your
cancer treatment. He was just the figurehead. And I said,
you're kind of explaining my point for me. I mean,
you are describing exactly what the issue is here, that
he's the figurehead. He is the face of the insurance
company that is making decisions on who gets or who
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doesn't get the latest cancer treatment. No wonder people are frustrated,
and it's so emblematic. I was looking at some of
the different news stories that we're popping up, and get
this one of the news agencies, and I don't have
it in front of me. Here they were discussing the
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potential trial. Now. I think it's going to be a
circus once this happens in Manhattan. There's going to be
a circus at this trial anyway, because we're already divided
on it. As soon as he hits the courts, we're
going to have all the women are saying set him
free so he can marry me, and all this kind
of nonsense. But here's the money. Quote says they will
have a hard time finding jurors who do not feel
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they've been treated unfairly by the healthcare industry. The quote
from from the legal expert. I think most people, when
question about that issue, will say, yeah, I dealt with
a healthcare industry that I was unhappy with. This is
shining a light on a problem that we have forever
dealt with alone. We complain to one another. But there's
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been there's been no movement on this, and we have
insurance commissioners that are supposed to be looking out for
us and they're not. Why it's America, man. You got
the money, you buy off the politicians, problem solved, and
then you make more money. You've seen this with big insurance,
big oil, big whatever. I mean, for Peene's sake, Elon
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Musk is now telling Trump, what if we just stopped
having crash reporting data on electric vehicles. What a great idea.
I wonder who's going to benefit from that? And money
makes America go around man? And the proletariat is not
happy about this. So how bad is it? I'm not
just whistling Dixie. I'll give you examples. Next. Chris MERRILF
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the iHeartRadio app. Okay, So the killing of the United
Healthcare CEO is shining a light on how messed up
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our health insurance industry. Is. Taylor Lorentz is an op
ed columnist, and I guess she went out with Piers
Morgan and she said this is lighting a fire under people,
which Piers Morgan didn't let her finish. She then interrupted
her and said, you support murder and she said no,
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I don't. He says, well, that's it. We're not gonna
have a murder on anymore. That was pretty much it.
So the interview goes viral. So Taylor Lorentz goes on
to News Nation to kind of explain what Peers Morgan
didn't allow her.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
To finish, saying, what I did say before I was
rudely interrupted by Peers is I felt joy that people
myself and the millions of other Americans feel joy that
this issue is finally receiving attention.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So she said, I feel joy, and then that's when
Peers Morgan jumped on her because clickbait interviews, that is
what I said.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
So just to be clear, absolutely in zero context that
I say I felt joy that a man's life was lost.
I am against death in all forms. I am against
the death penalty. I do not think that we want
to resolve things in any capacity by gun violence. It
is lucky that no one else was hurt. That is
usually the case with how shootings go.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So that remark on that show was taken wildly out
of context.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Well, Piers had promoted an edited clip that cut off
the rest of my statement. So yeah, if you take
a single word and you apply it to a completely
deaf different sentence that I never said, then sure you
can manufacture a lot of outrage that way. It's a
shame because I think it's this is a really important
discussion to have, and I think the media's of you know,
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obsession with this sort of click bait outrage stuff is
ultimately quite dangerous.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I agree with that. And here's what I mean by this.
There has been so much conversation about the attractiveness of
this guy, and I know that's where Calely gets hung
up too. She's she sees a oh good looking guy
East Coast made me take me a.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Luig gi a really good impersonation of me.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Nothing what she was doing, Okay, Okay, So I get
he's good looking. I know it's kind of a fun meme.
Uh side attraction to the whole thing right. I don't
think that the people outside the courthouse are going to
be protesting or supporting this guy because he's attractive. I
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don't think that this story took on a life of
its own because the killer is attractive. And I say
that for two reasons. The first is this story blew
up before we knew what he looked like without his
face mask on. Remember it was only later that we
found out. Basically he was flirting with somebody and pulled
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his mask down. Had he been able to keep it
in his pants, metaphorically speaking, he might not have ever
been caught. But we were fascinated by the shooting in
the first place. And the other is what hits Americans
from the wealthiest to the poorest is not, hey, here's
a good looking Italian kid from the East Coast. That's
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not it sure. That is an aspect of the narrative.
His intelligence is an aspect of the narrative. His back
pain an aspect of the narrative. His mother's neuropathy and
aspect of the narrative. All this stuff. But the biggest thing,
and the reason this resonates with people, is because while
most of us are not going to take a gun,
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and kill someone. There are thousands of people nationwide who
hold insurance companies directly responsible for the death of a
loved one, and it felt powerless. And the fact that
we continue to see insurance costs rise year after year
after year after year, and health care costs rise year
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after year after year after year, and medical debt become
a larger and larger portion of our overall American debt
and nobody seems to care is so incredibly frustrating that
what this guy has become is a symbol of our
outrage and frustration. Nobody is saying you should go out
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and kill I can't say nobody because we have the Internet.
But most people are not saying go out and murder people.
We're not saying that. What we're saying is the proletariat
has had enough the bourgeois who can tell you to
stick it to those of us who are paying our premiums,
who are seeing an ever increasing deductible, who are seeing
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ever increasing costs when we do go to the doctor,
and who are being shunned by our own politicians because
the politicians are taking money from the insurance companies to
do as they want. What do you, I mean, do
you expect people to just sit and take it. I mean,
at some point people stop taking it now. Again, I'm
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not advocating violence, but I am not surprised that it's happening.
At some point, somebody cracks. At some point, somebody says
no more. And evidently for this guy, I don't know
if it was all because of the because of his
back pain, if it was because of his mother or what,
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but at some point somebody is gonna rise up and
they're gonna say, oh, is as well. I'm not amore,
I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take this anymore.
There is a reason that we have seen empires fall
because of uprisings. When the politicians and those with the
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power and the money start to act in their own
best interests and start forgetting the masses. At some point
the masses say, as mad as hell to take now.
There are examples here. I've got a a story. Of course.
Everybody's running around, they're trying to grab people that they
(24:37):
can find. Here's a dude, Gary schmid is his name.
Our insurance is throwing a curveball at us like this,
and I've got days to solve it. It's unacceptable He
says he's running out of time to get radiation therapy
because he's got throat cancer. His wife says Anton Blue
Cross Blue Shield is denying their claim, saying they deny
it as if they know more than our doctors at
(24:59):
the MA know about what is best to treat his cancer.
Schmid says his treatment plan started with surgery to remove
his tumors. Anthem signed off on that procedure, but they're
not the radiation that follows. According to him, it doesn't
make sense that they're almost a la carte my treatment.
It's cancer treatment. He explains the radiation is only effective
(25:21):
if it happens within six weeks of the surgery, and
that that was a month ago. Because of rare complications.
Schmidt says everything was pushed back even before the denial.
He says, I didn't know if I was gonna make it.
It was so scary, and so it's just been a
lot to go through. Schmidt says he's doing better and
the tumors are gone, but the medical team says the
next step is the radiation. He said, it's not like
somebody wants to get radiation, you know, but your doctor's
(25:43):
telling you you need this yeah, one hundred percent. If
I don't have the radiation treatment, there's a twenty percent
more chance of the cancer returns. So they're messing with
twenty percent more of my life at that point. Wouldn't
you want the radiation treatment to me too? And Anthem says, well,
you know, maybe we just see if it comes back.
Let's just hold off in that radiation, see if your
(26:03):
cancer returns. Primary primary care physician talking with News Nation,
doctor Saju Matthew, twenty year veteran physician, saying that insurance
companies are increasingly blocking critical medical procedures through complex prior
authorization processes. We as doctors, have been crying, screaming at
the top of our lungs regarding how lots of insurance
(26:25):
companies are denying claims on a daily basis. He said
it examples of patients being unable to obtain routine tests
like mammograms without extensive bureaucratic hurdles. So with the insurance companies,
you've got the pre authorization thing to start with, and
then on the flip side, you've got them denying claims
after those claims are submitted, and they are shady. Let
(26:50):
me give you an example, Cale, imagine you've got a
mailbox at work, right, and let's say that your mailbox
is number three, and and Raoul's got mailbox number four.
If you go to your mailbox and you pull out
whatever is in there, and you see that there's a
letter that is directed to Raoul, what would you do
(27:12):
with that letter? I mean, the obvious answer is you
take the letter and you put it in Raoul's mailbox,
or you go hand it to them directly. Right. However,
with insurance companies, what they'll do is they'll say, if
you want to appeal a claim, it has to go
to mailbox three. If you want to submit additional correspondence
(27:32):
for that claim, it needs to go to mailbox four.
If you're filing an initial claim, that needs to go
to mailbox twenty two. So let's say that you send
an initial you send an appeal in to mailbox twenty two.
Or let's say that you send in your correspondence what
they call core in the business, and you send the
correspondence to the appeals mailbox. You know what they'll do.
They'll send it back and they'll say wrong mailbox. And
(27:55):
then you go, I don't know why you couldn't have
just walked it down the hall, but that's what they do.
And then, and this is the simplest example I could
come up with, And then you go, fine, I will
send the appeal to this mailbox. Now they won't tell
you which one. They'll just say return to send a
wrong mailbox. Then you have to go through the steps
trying to find it. And this is if you are
a billing company, if you were a provider, this is
(28:18):
after it's gone out, after it's come back, after they've
taken a week to look at it, after it's come
back into your mailbox, and then you mail it back
to the right the right mailbox, and then they'll say
denied for timely filing, denied for timely fu sorry you
didn't file this in time. Oh no I did. It's
just that somebody was too. I'm just gonna say lazy
(28:42):
to hand it to the person in the next cubicle.
But the truth is it's not about being lazy. It's
about figuring out ways to not pay. That's the policy.
How do we not pay? And that's why people are frustrated,
and it's why we're starting to see the copycats. I'll
share with you what some of these copycats are doing.
(29:03):
That is next. I'm Chris Merril KFI AM six forty.
We are live everywhere on the iHeart Radio app.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You're listening to kfi AM six forty on demand height.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Hey, Chris Merril, kfi AM six forty. More stimulating talk
on demand anytime the iHeartRadio app. This shooting with the
UHC CEO, there are concerns that others may want to follow.
Suit News Nation was talking with a Business Insider contributer,
Scott Novra, and they asked him about copycats.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
How concerned should officials be that others might use this
shooting as an example.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
They were always concerned about that. You know, you've heard
the term copycat, and this is exactly what law enforcement
is always concerned about. Any time any one of these
high profile shootings occur, any type of hope profile, high
profile type case. Islaw enforcements always concerned that you're going
to have copycats out there. And you know, I wouldn't
(30:05):
be surprised if we see more of this occurring around
the country.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
All right, So that's a problem, right, we don't want
more of that to happen. Oh, we already are to Florida.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
The suspect charge with murdering Brian Thompson was never ensured
by United Healthcare, and as authorities worked to secure an indictment,
investigators are looking into whether Luigi Mangioni targeted the company
because of its size. The company telling ABC News Brian
Thompson's killer was not a member of United Healthcare. Okay,
(30:37):
so the NYPD tails NBC New York. Mangioni did, however,
mention it's the fifth largest corporation in America.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
And their CEOs walking around on the street in New
York so and his whereabouts was being publicized because he
was going to be at the investor meeting. This is
why so many other CEOs of other large corporations are
now hiring some personal security.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
We anticipate that before very long, he'll be brought back
to New York, where he needs to be facing the consequences.
Get the audacious attack on the streets of New York City.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Police have already searched the Manhattan hust blah blah, get Ahead.
Mincioni is locked in a cell nearly identical to this one,
his supporters donating tens of thousands of dollars to online
legal defense funds, including one set up anonymously on Give
Send Go, the group saying we are not here to
celebrate violence. In Seattle, this chilling message appeared briefly on
(31:35):
a road sign threatening other CEOs.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Oh yeah, there was like a weird billboard that popped up.
It was like yourn at.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
The city blaming a private construction contractor, and a Florida
woman charged with threatening her insurance company after it denied
her claim. In a phone call, Breonna Boston allegedly saying
delay denied depose.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
You people are next?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
WHOA? The delay denied to pose is the take off
of the three d's of insurance, which is delay, deny, defend.
But the delay deny depose. That is what was written
on the shell casings that were found near Brian Thompson's body.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Repeating the words police sate were written on the shooter's bullets.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I just said that investigators they were written on the casings.
The bullets actually were in the victim, but carry.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Out investigator say. She later claims she doesn't own a
firearm and isn't a danger to anyone, and Manchioni's lawyer
says he intends to plead not guilty. His extradition. Hearing
a schedule for December thirty eight.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
All right, so he's going to try to drag this
out as long as he can, which is his right
to do whatever. Meanwhile, who's making donations to this guy online?
Is it because he's super cute? Kayla?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Is it because he's super cute? Or is it because
they feel like he's he took action where so many
other people feel powerless that too. Do you think it's
just because he's hot?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Well, I think if an ugly person did it, they
probably and get as much support. Unfortunately, we live in
a society that beauty does matter, so he does fit
a certain beauty standard and people are going to suppore
him based off of that.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And who like Robinhood, he could start a whole new
business only killers.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
I don't know how popular that would be, all right?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
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