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August 24, 2025 14 mins
 Miram Katz is an LA-based actor, writer, and public speaking coach. She performs improv comedy live regularly and has acted on camera and done voice over for film, TV, commercials, video games, and more. Ex Appeal Podcast, Miriam is interviewing every personshe has ever been romantic with on any level! We are getting into it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show on k
I Am six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
I promised you I had a very interesting guest. First
of all, I want you to know that I am
one of these people that after I break up with somebody,
I pretty much gost them for life. I mean, I'm
not in touch with my exes. We don't become friends,
we don't want to hang out, and the last thing

(00:21):
I would want to do is call them to process.
I don't know, maybe I'm just not brave. My next
guest is very brave. She is a LA based actor, writer,
public speaking coach. She even performs improv and that is
really hard to do, and even does a little comedy.

(00:42):
Her name is Miriam Katz and guess what her new
podcast is called X Appeal. Hi Miriam, how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I am wonderful. It is so fun to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
So tell me about the incarnation of this How did
you come up with the idea of this podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Like I needed some closure. I felt like I had
dated a lot of people and I felt this kind
of heavy feeling like I needed to go back and
have second breakups. And I just wanted to reconnect, open
it up, and then close it forever. But I feel
like breakups in the moment can be so emotional and

(01:21):
so upsetting that you don't necessarily even hear what the
person is saying or get to say what you really
wanted to say. And years later you're in such a
different place. So some of it is about finding out
what happened, and then some of it is about getting
to say things that you never said. And some of
that is very loving. People I've dated have really changed me,
and it's nice to be able to say that.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
So your podcast ex appeal, the premise is you are
going to find one hundred people that you have been
romantically involved with? How many on some level? So I
did not boots with them all.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Not all, not not to boots this all. No one
of them was from the fifth grade. So I have
recorded thirteen so far, and yes, the sort of fun
lofty goal is one hundred. We'll see what happens. But honestly,
already with these thirteen, it has been extraordinary. A lot
has happened. I've been so surprised by every conversation. It's

(02:21):
a wild ride, truly.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
So for anyone listening and you hear that word one hundred.
I want to remind you that I've said this all
the time on the show. Men have this anthropologically wired
wariness of women who may have had a lot of
sexual partners, and what ends up happening is men who
have more sexual partners the playas out there get women approved,

(02:45):
like they're vetted by women, and so we actually like
them more because of their sexual experience. And then men
tend to devalue women for their sexual experience. But none
of the math makes sense. In other words, peers are
having sex with peers across the lifespan at about the
same rate. So before you judge, just know that it's

(03:07):
very common for people to hit middle age or older
and have had dozens and dozens of dozens of partners.
So okay, we're shooting.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
For a hunt. Yes, And I luckily feel that I
have not been devalued. I feel like people are fine
with my life experience, so it's gone, okay. Maybe that's
urban living good.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
You never worried about your number. I love that. No.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I used to worry.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I used to lie when I was young, and then
is a certain point when I hit I remember, I
don't know how old I was, so somewhere in my twenties,
and I wrote down this list. I tried to name
every person I'd had sex with on a piece of paper.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh wow, And I got.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
To thirty and it freaked me out so much because
I was believing the stupidness of the culture. And so
from at that moment, I stopped writing and stopped counting.
I never never looked back.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Okay, so these you're all you're on your way to
doing the podcast right there. You've got your lists exactly business.
I don't know we're going to turn you.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I think I burned it. Okay, So starting off with
mister fifth grade, did you have him on the podcast?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I did? Yeah, I tracked him down. Wendy. I hadn't
talked to him since nineteen ninety one and I and
honestly we hadn't really had a conversation before, during or
after our one single pizza date, and it was very
interesting to find him to see that he completely remembered
the date and that it was this formative life experience
for him too. But we had had these two separate experiences,

(04:32):
and this conversation was the first time we burst those
bubbles and had an experience together, and it was very
cool to see that he was smart and funny and kind,
and yeah, not that anything was going to happen between.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
I were ready to Hannah, No, No, he's married.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
He lives in Montana. It wasn't like that. It was just, oh,
maybe I had some good taste. I didn't actually find
that out in the face grade, but maybe somewhere in
me I had some good instincts early on.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
So wait a minute, you said he was married, So
his wife let him do this podcast to go meet
with his ex.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
She did. And I would not say that every single
wife or partner would be comfortable with it. We shall see,
but so far I've done okay. And in fact, my
high school boyfriend was wary to do it because he
didn't love talking about his younger years. And his wife
was the one that told me he had to do it,

(05:29):
not just encourage him. She said, you have to have
this conversation. You have to go back and remember these times.
So it's it's you know, everyone has their own way
of dealing with this.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
So was your high school boyfriend like your first love.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes? Absolutely. I was fifteen and I fell so hard
and he felt so hard and it was really beautiful
to acknowledge that together, maybe for the last time. I
don't know that we need to keep on having this conversation,
but to talk about what we remembered and how intense
the feelings were, and it was really beautiful to go

(06:04):
back and remember that together.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
It's kind of interesting. I mean, I bet it felt
good to know that he was having the same experience.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
It was lovely because I think sometimes we think, oh,
no one's thinking about me the same way, or yeah.
I think I've been surprised at how much people do remember.
There was somebody that I there was a woman I
sped up within a strip club, And when.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
You hooked up with a woman in a strip club,
that's technically an ex.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's technically an ex she was on and I would
have thought, as a stripper that I would have just
been another person that she had an experience with. But
she really remembered it and had told people the story.
So I think I'm actually finding out it's less that oh,
nobody remembers you. It's everybody is very sensitive and everybody

(06:54):
feels things, and these are these are experiences for everybody.
But yes, I just threw that at you. There's women
on the show, and yes, sometimes it's just a hookup
and sometimes it's hook up truly in a VIP room
ministry club.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
All right, we have to go to break but when
we come back, I want to address two topics. One is,
you have a current boyfriend and he's allowing you to
do this. And the second topic is we all have
had some bad breakups with some toxic people. Don't give
it away, but I want to know if you've had
any real bad boys back. My guest is Miriam Katz.

(07:31):
She's an actor, writer, public speaking coach. She does improv,
she's a performer. She's unafraid of the mic. She's unafraid
to bring every one of her exes into the podcast studio.
Her podcast is called X Appeal. Okay, Miriam, first question,
you have a current boyfriend and he's letting you meet.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yes, my father was also concerned about this, but it
is completely okay. I have a wonderful boyfriend. There's three
o's in there, and he's super supportive. He has connected
me to people to help with marketing. He's helped me
with editing. He's wonderful and yeah, he's not listening to

(08:15):
the actual episodes. He does not need to hear any
of these stories. If I was doing a podcast about
another subject, I'm sure he would listen to every single second.
But that is the boundary, which I'm more than comfortable with,
the same way I wouldn't want my parents to listen
to this. But he is I mean, I actually was
had started working on the podcast before I met him,
so it was already part of the deal. But it's

(08:37):
not that he's faking it. He really is very supportive
and wants me to thrive. And yeah, it feels like
the sign of a very comfortable, very supportive guy.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
If you are one lucky woman to have that guy.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I am my husband.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
He'd be curled up in a fur ball in bed
all day and never come out if he knew.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
That I was doing well. I will say one of
my exes introduced us, and I'm having a toast at
that guy's wedding in one week. So it's a life
of this.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's amazing because I just I can't ask my therapist
about this because I really am not really friendly. I
have one X, but he's from decades ago and he's
on the other side of the country, so we check
in on birthdays and holidays, but not I'm not friends
with any of my exes. I wonder if there's something
wrong with me. I'm gonna have to ask myself.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I think a lot of people are like that. I
think it's not necessarily for everyone, but I do think
some kind of a second breakup, a real conversation can
be very useful for anyone who has an ex, not
necessarily like I'm doing with every single one. But now
you mentioned the question.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
You mentioned that this is a feeling of closure and
that you're learning a lot. They can't all have been
hunky dory. I'm sure you've had some breakups that were
completely painful, or you've had relationships with people that were
a little bit toxic, because you know, you're a woman
like I am, and sometimes we make these weird choices.
So have you had any of.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Those guys on? I have had people on that were
difficult and painful. Next season, I hope to have on.
I have not asked to me yet, but I hope
to have on someone who I nicknamed the Devil. So yes,
I know it's really intense, but yes, that's what he
was called. And he was difficult, and he was abrasive,

(10:25):
and he was like that from the very beginning, and
yet I was drawn to him. And that is one
of the questions of a podcast of why was I
drawn to some of these people who had toxic traits
or didn't always treat me as well as they should have,
or even didn't like me as much as I liked them.
You know, I was part of that equation, which I
think is definitely part of the story of the podcast.
You can't just say I hate my ex, my ex

(10:47):
is a jerk. You chose that person and you are
involved in that relationship. So, yeah, there's no one I
don't want to have on the podcast. I am very
excited to have the Devil on to see if they
there's something I can learn about what happened, why I
was drawn to him, what was going on with him?
Did I trigger him in particular? He You know, I

(11:09):
think I made him mad. There's something I almost think
my enthusiasm and my optimism, I promise.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
You, so he treated you bad. He treated everybody bad,
that's what he because his mother treated him bad.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
At all. Yes, Starlet, maybe we'll find that out, maybe
we'll find out something about his mama. But yeah, I
think there's always more nuance to the story, and for me,
learning that has been very healing.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Have you reached out to anyone who said no flippant way.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I did. There was somebody who was like, you know,
devil adjacent and I ran into him on the street.
He doesn't even live here anymore. And I ran into him,
not in my neighborhood, and he said absolutely not. But
you know what, I wrote down the date that I
ran into him, And I'm going to reach back out
in three years because I'm going to work on this
project for a while. So you know, I called.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Out for three years to mature.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, And I actually think the older you get, the
more you start to think, ah, who cares? You know,
I don't know that I would have done this project
fifteen years ago.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
And people who are emotion culture is more, don't suddenly
start to like to talk about feelings.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I hear you, I hear you. But I think it's possible.
I think something. You know, Yeah, I want to hold
out hope that I will have with as one of
the one hundred, because yeah, I want to learn about
all these people. But yeah, I think people are more
comfortable with revealing private things about themselves certainly than they
were fifteen twenty years ago, So we shall see. I

(12:38):
am optimistic.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So your podcast launches which.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Date September twenty first, and the first season we'll have
ten episodes, and the plan right now is to do
ten episodes a year for ten years. We will see
what happens. I'm very I'm very open. I do improv,
as you said.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Wow, okay, So where do they find X appeal?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
iHeartRadio of course, and then every single other place that
you could find a podcast, Yeah and appeal Miriam Katz.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Before we go, Miriam, what do you think listeners are
going to get out of this? Is this going to
impact their own relationships?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I mean, what a beautiful thing. I mean I think
even when I bring this up to people, they have
very strong reactions. So I think there's certainly going to
be some interest. But I would say there's patterns in dating,
as you of course know, and so if there's some
kind of a similar situation. I've dated people who are
in open relationships at some point was an open relationship.
There's someone I dated who is a sex edit and

(13:42):
had an intimacy disorder. There's all sorts of types of
things and I think other people can connect with them,
so possibly they can feel some closure from my closure,
or possibly they will consider reaching out to somebody that
they feel like they need to have one final conversation with.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Promise me one thing. If you get the devil to
come on your podcast, you're going to bring him on
KFI and we'll have a little three stem here on
the radio.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I am a amazing you can give us your doctor
ly advice exactly.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Oh, he's going to be terrified both of us on him.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, all right, I know.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Get the podcast in a couple more weeks X Appeal
wherever you find your podcast, especially on the iHeartRadio app. Miriam,
thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I appreciate Wendy. This is a pleasure. You are amazing.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Miriam Katz from X Appeal, and that brings the Doctor
Wendy Wall Show to a close. I'm always here for
you every Sunday from seven to nine pm, and you
can also follow me on my social media at doctor
Wendy Walsh. You've been listening to the Doctor Wendy wallsh
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