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December 17, 2025 • 15 mins

LAPD Chief Jim McDonnell joins the show to discuss the department’s staffing shortages, how a manpower deficit impacts Olympic security planning, and the managing of multiple high-profile cases that have dominated headlines in recent months.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, we are honored to have LAPD Chief Jim McDonald
here to join us today. I don't know how you
did it. Chief. You have had a busy week. You see,
we've got TVs all over this room and you've been
all over them. Monday, you were there for the press
conference with the FBI with that terror plot that was thwarted.
It looks like four jackasses, for lack of a better word,
we're going to or try to bomb several locations on

(00:23):
New Year's Eve in Los Angeles. FBI and LAPD sheriffs
thwarted that. And then yesterday you're with the DA who's
announcing first degree murder charges with special circumstances against Nick Reiner.
We thank you for taking the time out of obviously
a very busy week to join us. And another, hope,
high profile case that your department has been working very

(00:46):
hard on, is of course, the Celeste Reevas murder, the
girl that was found dead in the Tesla back in
I want to say, early fall September or something like that,
And so you have a lot on your plate going on.
How does that work? By the way, you know, when
you get you get a call in the middle of
the night we got to have you here tomorrow. We

(01:06):
got to this is going on? Does your phone ever
stop ringing? Do you keep it on silent? How does
the batphone work in your home?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Keep it next to me and on the nightstand, But
I never keep it on silent. It can go off anytime,
it seems. The big things usually happen in the middle
of the night. Our officers are out there twenty four
to seven interacting with the public, so time doesn't make
a whole lot of difference. As far as notifications on things.

(01:35):
I want to know what's going on and not have
to find out about it later. But we do have
a screening system that is much more humane than it
used to be in days past as far as people
taking the calls and screening them and then making the
appropriate notifications. Some can wait till seven in the morning,
and others. You need to know when it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
We're talking about your robbery homicide detectives just moments ago
about how the work they did in the middle of
the night on this Reiner case, how they were able
to catch up with him at the gas station. I
believe the report was five hours after the murders were
called in from the home in Brentwood. How they were
able to go and find out that he stayed in
a hotel in Santa Monica make entrance into that room.

(02:20):
That is just good solid I think you referred to
it yesterday. Good solid police work, and so quickly. I
know that sometimes people expect police work to be done
so quickly like that be tied up with a nice
little boat, because that's what we see on the television.
But that's really great work they did in such a
quick time this week.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, you know, they did a tremendous job, and they
are the best in the business. Homicide Special out of
RhD handle the case. They brought in Gang and Narcotics Division,
who was paired up with the US Marshall Service on
the Task Force to assist as well. They all work
very well together and they were able in this case
to be able to take the suspect in a custody

(02:57):
very quickly. The kind of work that's done day in
and day out. I wish we could get that out
to the public because I think they'd be very proud
of what's being done on their behalf.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
How do you make a decision to get those other
departments or the other agencies involved in a case like this.
I mean, obviously it's very high profile, so there's gonna
be a lot of eyeballs on this thing, and a
lot of eyeballs on the detectives and their work that's involved.
But how do you determine when other organizations are involved.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, within the LAPD, we used to have divisional detectives
that worked for the area captain broken down twenty one
different areas throughout the city. We did a reorg recently
where all of the homicide detectives in the city now
are part of Robbery Homicide Division, So the Captain of
URHD has the ability to be able to move people around,

(03:45):
assign people as needed dependent on the case, and all
the cases now go to OURHD. In the big sense.
Homicide special got this one, and they are the folks
who focus and specialize in incidents such as this. The
decision is made basically as things start to progress. The
Chief of Detectives is involved, that chain of command is involved,

(04:06):
and ultimately they make the best call they can as
to what outside resources they need. We exhaust everything we
have in the department first. When we're on task forces.
As I mentioned with the Marshalls, that's like all one
seamless team. And so we're blessed in LA that we
have tremendous federal, state, and local partnerships and we work

(04:27):
very closely together every day, and that I think will
work well for us as we move into the World
Cup and the Olympic and Paralympic Games ahead of us before.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
We get to that, because that's a big issue. Are
we ready for that? And your department is so financially
strapped right now, it's ridiculous. We heard in the news
that maybe not even an academy class, what the LAPD
unheard of? A lot of people aren't paying attention and
they should in that regard Robbery Homicide Division alone. If
you read the Harry Bosch novels, Michael Connolly, you've seen heat, right,

(04:57):
who hasn't seen heat? You know this division. They are
the best and the brightest and the most hard working
and the guys you do in gals you do not
want to mess around with. But they have not escaped
budget cuts. Well, we are hit with these massive, high
profile cases all the time in LA, specifically this week
as well this season.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah. No, our core function is answering radio calls, calls
for help from the public. So we have to maintain
as robust a patrol forces we can to be able
to answer those calls. And when the budget's cut and
we're down fourteen hundred officers now to give context, when
we're fully deployed, we're at ten thousand sworn. That's about
half of what New York City has cop to population ratio,

(05:38):
and less than half of what Chicago has. And so
when you look at how lean we are to begin with,
and to think we're fourteen hundred down from that, I
had a budget authority to hire two hundred and forty
this year. We've done that. I'm asking for an additional
two forty. And that's the back and forth you heard
last week in council. Even if we were able to
get that full complement of four to eighty, we're going

(06:00):
to lose five to six hundred this year through retirement
and other attrition. And so two years out from the Olympics,
we are very concerned as far as being able to
have sufficient resources to do it the way we would
love to be able to do it. We will get
the job done one way or the other with the LAPD,
and we will make it happen, but certainly we'd like

(06:20):
to have additional people be able to focus and specialize.
You mentioned robbery. Homicide is not the size it used
to be. None of our specialized units or the size
they used to be, and some don't exist anymore. So
my hope is as we start to get healthy well,
we'll be able to hire more people and be able
to fill out some of the specialized units. There are

(06:41):
units that we need to have, robust cyber units for cybercrime,
cyber terrorism and all of the potential attacks. We could
see a drone unit. We're building that out to be
able to have drones as a first responder, a tremendous
tool there as well. But a lot of the emerging
threats we need to be able to be. We're not

(07:02):
going to be ahead of it, but we need to
be as up to speed with it as we can.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Do you have an idea historically, when was the LAPD
last at its you know, at its maximum strength or
at least an acceptable level.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, twenty nineteen they were at one thousand and three
sworn officers, and to get to at the end of
this year, we could be down to eighty three hundred
and the last time we saw that was nineteen ninety five,
so thirty years ago.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Wow. I think just this year alone, you're looking at
a deficit of six hundred jobs leaving in this year
and that you have to fight for two forty is
insane to me. I mean, how ass backwards is.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
That we're talking with LAPD Chief to McDonald, Not at all.
We have trug bat teller, we have company and.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
We want to get right to it because Chief Jim
McDonald was so nice to take some time and talk
to us about what we talk about every day here
when it comes to the high profile cases that the
LAPD is confronted with, often in the middle of the night.
As Chief was telling us, and we touched on robbery
homicide detectives and the great work that they were able
to do on capturing Nick Reiner within hours of those

(08:09):
bodies being discovered, and Brent would another big case is
I think leaving a lot of people scratching their heads.
The dead girl in the Teslas les Reevus. Here's a
fourteen year old girl found dead in the trunk. You've
got an up and coming rap star who was connected
to her, and yet we've had no news. We know
that this went to a grand jury as well, But

(08:31):
it's been a little frustrating I think for the general
public to get answers on this one.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Chief Yeah, no, I understand the frustration, but the detectives
handling the case in the department, the posture has to
be preserved the integrity of the case over anything else.
As much as we want to be transparent what we do.
When you're dealing with murder cases, you have a system
to follow and you want to make sure that you
don't do anything that would jeopardize the case. Long term.

(08:55):
You want to be able to hold whoever did these
type of crimes to justice, and.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I think in that case in particular, everyone lawyered up
right away, which makes you be even more careful with
your investigation as detectives in terms of you know, you're
going to get more out of being tight lipped about
your investigation, even if everyone in the world is talking
about it on every publication. Like you said, it's all
about the integrity of the investigation. And sometimes when information

(09:22):
like it like that, or details slip out, then you're
putting the entire case on the line. And at the
end of the day, you want to put the guy
who's the murderer away as the name of the game, and.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
The absence of us putting out information, people fill the
vacuum with misinformation. We saw that in this case where
there was some pretty bizarre things been put out there.
We try and address those when it's so prevalent as
some of these were. But you know, the reality is
that generally speak and we try as much as we
try to be transparent, we also do everything we can

(09:56):
to preserve the ability of the detectives to put the
case together, presented to the DA and get a successful
filing and then follow up with a successful prosecutor.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
When you bring up just the idea of misinformation that's
out there to fill vacuums, and that's in your career
in law enforcement has changed drastically just in terms of
the speed with which this information can be spread.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, you can't get in front of a story anymore.
By the time we get to the crime scene, by
the time, oftentimes the time the officers and the black
and whites get to the crime scene, it's already been
live broadcast on somebody's video from their iPhone, and you know,
the story gets out there. Whether the story is accurate
or not, and then you're playing ketchup on that trying

(10:40):
to be able to parse what happened from what didn't
happen and who had the perspective that makes, you know,
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
There have been different municipalities, different politicians that want to
get into the issue of law enforcement wearing masks. Is
that going to affect LAPED at all?

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, you know, yeah, you look at this and you
think where we were. We were penalizing officers for not
wearing masks post COVID, and now we're penalizing people potentially
for wearing masks. So I think we're not. We don't
wear masks at the LAPD. We get out there and
do the job. And yeah, our people take flack over it.
I see where the argument comes from for our federal

(11:23):
partners who have been docksed and their families exposed and
those kind of things. So there is a level of
concern there that is rational, but it does create a
level of anxiety within the community when you have people
wearing masks and you don't know who they are. They
may not be identifiable to a layperson on the street.

(11:43):
So certainly, I think the political response was to try
and alleviate some of that anxiety. But at the end
of the day, if there's if they are legitimate federal
agents in this case and they're doing their job, local
police are not going to win for some misdemeanor mask
violation for something like that.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
We've got the World Cup coming to town, We've got
the Olympics coming to town. All eyes on Los Angeles.
I love the Disney movie version of this where everything
is great and La looks wonderful, but we are not
staffed to secure these events. Well, I shouldn't say that
it'll you'll do You'll do a great job regardless, But

(12:27):
what is your concern when it comes to securing massive
events and different locations throughout Los Angeles with all the
world watching and just knowing the way that criminals organize
these days when it comes to big events like this,
and what is your concern And has that been communicated
to the mayor into the city council.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, the mayor is supportive of our hiring additional officers.
She's been pushing that the city council. There are some
members of the council who are supportive. There's other members
of the council who are not supportive of anything we do,
and then there's others where we can make our case
and hopefully win their votes over. They're in a very
difficult position now with the budget where it is a
billion dollar deficit going into this year. We have the

(13:09):
biggest part of the budget, so certainly we knew that
we were going to be cut back on that. But
I think in a place where we have taken on
the role of a host city for both the World
Cup and the Olympic and Paralympic Games, there's a duty
to be able to ensure that there are sufficient resources
to do that to the best degree possible. The LAPD

(13:31):
As I mentioned earlier, we have tremendous relationships with our federal, state,
and local partners, and that is a critical piece of
our ability to be able to police and ensure everybody
has an enjoyable and safe time at the games. Without that,
we would certainly be behind the eight ball. We will
end up doing it differently with fewer officers than we
would have otherwise done. We'll end up bringing in people

(13:54):
from outside departments to be able to assist us, maybe
more than we otherwise would have done. Games are spread
out all over the region, so that creates a challenge
as far as transportation and a lot of the the uh,
you know, support services that people really don't think about.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
They have practice fields, practice arenas, they have a lot
of places, they have the housing. UH, there's different countries
have special needs that others don't have, and so there's
a lot of moving parts. When you put together something
like this on a worldwide stage, everyone is evaluating everything
you do. And so we know, you know, that's we

(14:31):
got to bring our a game for that whole forty
days that we'll be dealing with the Olympic and Paralympic Games,
and we will be ready. We will be able to
do it, but we'll have to do it differently than
otherwise we would have.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
We know it's a busy week. We're absolutely blessed that
you came in and hung out with us, and we
appreciate it. And we'll continue these conversations because I mean,
we've said.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I can keep them hostage all day. I know, but
I don't think that would be a good idea for me.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
There's something to talk about the other one with the weapons.
So it's going to be a harder task than you think.
Chief McDonald, Thanks for coming in. We greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Garry, thank you for getting
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