March 19, 2025 • 13 mins
Guest LAPD Chief Jim McDonnell joins the show to talk to Gary and Shannon.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, we've we talked with them last month, Shannon, you
were out so you didn't get the opportunity. But LAPD
chief Jim McDonald has joined joined us. Chief, thanks for
taking time for us once again.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning, Thank you both for having me on.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I was just thinking about you. Well, it wasn't just
thinking about you. Was a couple of years ago when
I finally got to Fenway and beautiful, Oh my gosh. Yeah,
and I'm standing outside and it's all the things. It's like,
all the build up of thinking of going to Fenway,
it all pays off, you know what I mean, Like
it's not just a romantic thing in your head. It's
(00:34):
like I'm standing outside there and I just get chills,
and I was just like, and then I was thinking,
like you you grew up right around.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
There, Yeah, right down the street. Yeah. It's a special
place I think in American history. Really.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, it's fantastic. I would go if I haven't been here.
Is your endorsement to go?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Chief.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
This week, you guys released the end of your crime
report for twenty twenty four. Let's go over some of
those those numbers. What were the highlights for you?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah? I think the big the big ones had struck
me or the reduction in homicides were down fourteen percent
from the year before, and that is that's a big one.
That's the one that everybody counts very accurately. So I
think as a measure of success, certainly we looked to
that one for twenty twenty four. Then we built on
(01:25):
that in the first quarter of this year. We're down
an additional forty percent for twenty twenty four. The victim
shot a number of people shot was down nineteen percent.
Rapes decreased by almost one hundred during the year. Robberies
saw a slight decline and then a large decline in
aggravated assaults from over twenty thousand down to seventeen thousand
(01:47):
and six. And so all in all, look at our
numbers across the board, twenty twenty four was a good
year for Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I remember a press conference of five hundred years ago.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You were an assistant chief at the time.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Bill Bratton was there, and you guys, the focus was
talking about community policing and you know, the broken windows theory,
and I know you're a big community policing guy. And
now that you're back at the Helm of the LAPD.
Do you see room for more of that? Is that
one of the items on your agenda is to really
I mean post pandemic, post protest life.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Is this something that could.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Really create great strides in Los Angeles right now in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, absolutely. I think it's we're looking at community policing
as more of a philosophy how we do business, looking
at the root causes rather than just the symptoms or incidents.
That's a focus that we have taken them will continue
to take. I look at, you know, the areas that
are covered by our folks who work the Community Safety
Partnership Bureau, where they focused community policing efforts and strategies
(02:55):
on particular places. Homicides fell by forty percent in those
areas twenty twenty four. And so when you look at
the success of engaging with the community, nobody knows a
particular neighborhood better than the people who live there. So
if we can make them part of the public safety
equation and partner with them, we get tremendous results. So
(03:16):
the effort will be to continue that and take it
to a new level.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
One of the criticisms from people who watch crime numbers
like this, is that the definitions of crime have changed
over the years, and that can alter what appears to
be a drop or an increase in a specific crime.
How do you account for that? How do you make
sure that the numbers are as accurate as you can
possibly make them.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, we do the best we can to try and
be able to compare Apple Staples and have. This year
has been a modification in that because the whole nation
has transferred or in the process of transferring, from the
Uniform Crime Reporting System, which is the one we've used
for well over a years to now the National Incident
(04:02):
Based Reporting System or NIGHBORS. That fundamentally changes the way
crime data is collected and analyzed. But while it's more
labor intensive and takes more people to be able to
do the input on the front end, it captures a
lot more data, so it gives us the ability to
do a greater level of analysis and to be able
to identify patterns and trends and clusters of crime. So
(04:26):
all in all, it'll be worth the transition down the road,
but for this year, comparing it year to year data
will be difficult. It happened the transition took place in
May of last year, and so in May of this year,
we'll start at a point where we can compare year
to year moving forward.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
We're talking to LAPD chief Jim McDonell, and you're a
Long Beach guy, if memory serves. I was just in
Long Beach last week, spend some time there, and I
was talking to our friend and she was talking about
the e buy and I know, Orange County's got some
things in the works in terms of kind of just
(05:06):
getting a handle on the proliferation of these things. And
she was saying that she was walking around Long Beach
and there was all these kids on the e bikes,
and what can be kind of done in terms of
getting a handle on that. I guess for lack of
a better because there's no you can't pass any laws
against them or anything like that, but they certainly seem
to be kind of a nuisance at least in some
(05:28):
parts of LA.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah. You know, like anything good, there will be some
people who abuse it and use it for other purposes
and become either a nuisance or worse. In the case
of e bikes, much like any of our traffic issues
that we deal with, we try and do education to
educate the community about the dangers of using certain methods
(05:50):
to get around of how they can better protect their
own safety and the safety of the public. And then
usually we would look at engineering, where are these being
allowed to be operated, how do we operate them? And
again going back to the first part, letting people know
what the dangers of them are. And then enforcement. You know,
if they're operating this vehicle or any other vehicle in
(06:12):
an unsafe manner, we can take enforcement action. And I
think that's hopefully a last resort, but those are the
way we deal with these type of problems. Education in
the schools as well. Social media also may have an impact.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
We're talking about LAPD Chief Jim McDonald. Jim, if you
have an opportunity, Chief, can you stick around for another segment?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh? Sure, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Good. We got a couple more questions. I want to
get into technology also.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And I also want to ask him the Jeopardy question
of the day because it's about Ireland and I feel
like he's going to know it better than you will.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Right more with LAPD Chief McDonald when we come back.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We are talking to LAPD Chief Jim McDonald, who I
think was everybody's pick everybody's favorite to lead the department
where he spent so much much time. You spent time
really everywhere Long Beach, l a p D. Sheriff's Department,
and he is back at the helm of the l
a p D and has found it in his hard
(07:10):
to spend some time with us.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
How about them Dodgers, Chief, They're doing great, maybe unstoppable.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Can you believe about Rodney Pete in the middle of
the night snagging that ball from Max Munsey along the
first baseline?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
We should lock them up? Maybe we locked them up.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
We beat him on the tarmament.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Rodney works down the hall from us, so he's one
of our friends here.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah, it really is a great family.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Chief.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
We're talking about crime numbers, and we've talked a lot
about artificial intelligence for in all different industries and different
walks of life. Is there a move at all, whether
it's LAPD specific or law enforcement in general, to use
artificial intelligence in policing.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, there's a lot of vendors trying to be able
to enter the market and the public safety arena. Certainly
a lot of money to be made long term in it,
but also a great tool, but one that I would
ask that we you know, my peers, that we beat
judicious about employing that and not doing it too fast
and end up losing a great tool. But I think
(08:22):
where we can see it enter the market now is
to be able to go into realms and reams of data,
to be able to find things that are detectives say,
could normally find if they had the time, but they don't,
and allow them to be able to narrow the field
and look at clues or data that they need to
be able to put a case together. Likewise with redaction
(08:44):
and so many other things that we do that we
just don't have the personnel to do it. To be
able to get an assist from AI or machine learning,
you know, to begin with, it would be a big help.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
How refreshing to hear somebody in power say, yeah, there's
a lot of money to be made in contracts, especially
with you know, public money right to be made with
contracts with the city or the police department or fire
what have you. But to make sure all right, yeah,
we we it's the future. Will probably contract out in
the in the future, but be careful and do it
right exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's a great tool, and
like so many other great tools. We have a tendency
to rush into things and uh and put them to
work right away, and it's you know, premature, and we
end up losing some some good opportunities.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well I think you lose. You have the potential also
to lose. What makes what makes the job a great
thing is that it's human interaction. I mean, yeah, you know,
we mentioned, I mentioned last time that we were talking
with you, Chief that of the thousands of contacts that
the LAPD has every single day with people, we only
(09:54):
hear one or two or three and they're usually not positive.
I mean, that's that's and that the there's thousands of
other great positive contacts that happen every single day that
just don't get the attention.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah. Now, probably literally millions of contacts a year, and
you hear about the ones that go wrong, and we
hate it when any go wrong. But when you think
about people call the police when their world is upside down,
their situation is out of their control. The police come
into a situation that's emotionally charged or more difficult, with alcohol,
(10:29):
drugs and mental illness involved so often the case today,
and try and be able to de escalate the situation
and restore some order and get people the services they need.
That's pretty challenging for anyone in any field, and that's
what they do. Call after call.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Chief McDonald may have been from Boston area Brookline, but
he is a graduate of the LA Police Academy. Do
you remember and I'm putting you on the spot here,
but do you remember of any of those like early
interactions you had, whether it was in the academy or
after you got the academy, with people in the community
that kind of stick with.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
You throughout your masterful career.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I mean now as head of the LAPD, But like
interactions or cases, are things that stuck with you that
remind you of why you do what you do?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Oh? Absolutely, you know, thinking back, that was forty four
years ago and I remember it like it was yesterday.
But coming out onto the street in the city I
didn't know at the time with people I had never
met before was something that was exciting but challenging, and
to be able to kind of acclimate to a new
culture and certainly a new career. I look back on
(11:39):
that and the thing that reminded me continuously of why
we do what we do. Sometimes under the most difficult
to circumstances is because of the victims, the people out
there who truly need the police, who without the police
would be living in terror, be locked in their homes,
and not be able to function in the way that
we all as Americans would expect to be able to.
(12:00):
So yeah, I've constantly been reminded throughout my career of
why I'm here, primarily because of the people who need
us the most.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
All right, are you ready for your jeopardy question? Okay,
all right, this is something we do every day.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I ask Gary a stupid jeopardy question from the stupid
dusk calendar we have. But today it's Ireland for one
thousand dollars. Chief founded in nine fourteen. Founded in nine fourteen.
This city, known for its crystal, is the oldest in Ireland.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Crystal.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
It's in the south. It's in the south.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Waterford, Waterford crystal.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Wow, Why do I not know that that's the most
common crystal.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, that's all right, Waterford.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I went to Waterford in Ireland and it was nothing
to write home about. It was very industrial, The crystal
warehouse was very nondescript.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But the crystal is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You stumped me.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
On that one.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I'm sorry. Next next time, I'll make sure to get
you gimme.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Chief.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Thanks for your time once again, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
It's a pleasure. Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Absolutely l a p D. Chief to McDonald there with
the latest and yeah, we like like these conversations with
him and hopefully well he'll come back.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, absolutely
Well, we've we talked with them last month, Shannon, you
were out so you didn't get the opportunity. But LAPD
chief Jim McDonald has joined joined us. Chief, thanks for
taking time for us once again.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning, Thank you both for having me on.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I was just thinking about you. Well, it wasn't just
thinking about you. Was a couple of years ago when
I finally got to Fenway and beautiful, Oh my gosh. Yeah,
and I'm standing outside and it's all the things. It's like,
all the build up of thinking of going to Fenway,
it all pays off, you know what I mean, Like
it's not just a romantic thing in your head. It's
(00:34):
like I'm standing outside there and I just get chills,
and I was just like, and then I was thinking,
like you you grew up right around.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
There, Yeah, right down the street. Yeah. It's a special
place I think in American history. Really.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, it's fantastic. I would go if I haven't been here.
Is your endorsement to go?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Chief.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
This week, you guys released the end of your crime
report for twenty twenty four. Let's go over some of
those those numbers. What were the highlights for you?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah? I think the big the big ones had struck
me or the reduction in homicides were down fourteen percent
from the year before, and that is that's a big one.
That's the one that everybody counts very accurately. So I
think as a measure of success, certainly we looked to
that one for twenty twenty four. Then we built on
(01:25):
that in the first quarter of this year. We're down
an additional forty percent for twenty twenty four. The victim
shot a number of people shot was down nineteen percent.
Rapes decreased by almost one hundred during the year. Robberies
saw a slight decline and then a large decline in
aggravated assaults from over twenty thousand down to seventeen thousand
(01:47):
and six. And so all in all, look at our
numbers across the board, twenty twenty four was a good
year for Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I remember a press conference of five hundred years ago.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You were an assistant chief at the time.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Bill Bratton was there, and you guys, the focus was
talking about community policing and you know, the broken windows theory,
and I know you're a big community policing guy. And
now that you're back at the Helm of the LAPD.
Do you see room for more of that? Is that
one of the items on your agenda is to really
I mean post pandemic, post protest life.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Is this something that could.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Really create great strides in Los Angeles right now in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, absolutely. I think it's we're looking at community policing
as more of a philosophy how we do business, looking
at the root causes rather than just the symptoms or incidents.
That's a focus that we have taken them will continue
to take. I look at, you know, the areas that
are covered by our folks who work the Community Safety
Partnership Bureau, where they focused community policing efforts and strategies
(02:55):
on particular places. Homicides fell by forty percent in those
areas twenty twenty four. And so when you look at
the success of engaging with the community, nobody knows a
particular neighborhood better than the people who live there. So
if we can make them part of the public safety
equation and partner with them, we get tremendous results. So
(03:16):
the effort will be to continue that and take it
to a new level.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
One of the criticisms from people who watch crime numbers
like this, is that the definitions of crime have changed
over the years, and that can alter what appears to
be a drop or an increase in a specific crime.
How do you account for that? How do you make
sure that the numbers are as accurate as you can
possibly make them.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, we do the best we can to try and
be able to compare Apple Staples and have. This year
has been a modification in that because the whole nation
has transferred or in the process of transferring, from the
Uniform Crime Reporting System, which is the one we've used
for well over a years to now the National Incident
(04:02):
Based Reporting System or NIGHBORS. That fundamentally changes the way
crime data is collected and analyzed. But while it's more
labor intensive and takes more people to be able to
do the input on the front end, it captures a
lot more data, so it gives us the ability to
do a greater level of analysis and to be able
to identify patterns and trends and clusters of crime. So
(04:26):
all in all, it'll be worth the transition down the road,
but for this year, comparing it year to year data
will be difficult. It happened the transition took place in
May of last year, and so in May of this year,
we'll start at a point where we can compare year
to year moving forward.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
We're talking to LAPD chief Jim McDonell, and you're a
Long Beach guy, if memory serves. I was just in
Long Beach last week, spend some time there, and I
was talking to our friend and she was talking about
the e buy and I know, Orange County's got some
things in the works in terms of kind of just
(05:06):
getting a handle on the proliferation of these things. And
she was saying that she was walking around Long Beach
and there was all these kids on the e bikes,
and what can be kind of done in terms of
getting a handle on that. I guess for lack of
a better because there's no you can't pass any laws
against them or anything like that, but they certainly seem
to be kind of a nuisance at least in some
(05:28):
parts of LA.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah. You know, like anything good, there will be some
people who abuse it and use it for other purposes
and become either a nuisance or worse. In the case
of e bikes, much like any of our traffic issues
that we deal with, we try and do education to
educate the community about the dangers of using certain methods
(05:50):
to get around of how they can better protect their
own safety and the safety of the public. And then
usually we would look at engineering, where are these being
allowed to be operated, how do we operate them? And
again going back to the first part, letting people know
what the dangers of them are. And then enforcement. You know,
if they're operating this vehicle or any other vehicle in
(06:12):
an unsafe manner, we can take enforcement action. And I
think that's hopefully a last resort, but those are the
way we deal with these type of problems. Education in
the schools as well. Social media also may have an impact.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
We're talking about LAPD Chief Jim McDonald. Jim, if you
have an opportunity, Chief, can you stick around for another segment?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh? Sure, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Good. We got a couple more questions. I want to
get into technology also.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And I also want to ask him the Jeopardy question
of the day because it's about Ireland and I feel
like he's going to know it better than you will.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Right more with LAPD Chief McDonald when we come back.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We are talking to LAPD Chief Jim McDonald, who I
think was everybody's pick everybody's favorite to lead the department
where he spent so much much time. You spent time
really everywhere Long Beach, l a p D. Sheriff's Department,
and he is back at the helm of the l
a p D and has found it in his hard
(07:10):
to spend some time with us.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
How about them Dodgers, Chief, They're doing great, maybe unstoppable.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Can you believe about Rodney Pete in the middle of
the night snagging that ball from Max Munsey along the
first baseline?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
We should lock them up? Maybe we locked them up.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
We beat him on the tarmament.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Rodney works down the hall from us, so he's one
of our friends here.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah, it really is a great family.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Chief.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
We're talking about crime numbers, and we've talked a lot
about artificial intelligence for in all different industries and different
walks of life. Is there a move at all, whether
it's LAPD specific or law enforcement in general, to use
artificial intelligence in policing.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, there's a lot of vendors trying to be able
to enter the market and the public safety arena. Certainly
a lot of money to be made long term in it,
but also a great tool, but one that I would
ask that we you know, my peers, that we beat
judicious about employing that and not doing it too fast
and end up losing a great tool. But I think
(08:22):
where we can see it enter the market now is
to be able to go into realms and reams of data,
to be able to find things that are detectives say,
could normally find if they had the time, but they don't,
and allow them to be able to narrow the field
and look at clues or data that they need to
be able to put a case together. Likewise with redaction
(08:44):
and so many other things that we do that we
just don't have the personnel to do it. To be
able to get an assist from AI or machine learning,
you know, to begin with, it would be a big help.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
How refreshing to hear somebody in power say, yeah, there's
a lot of money to be made in contracts, especially
with you know, public money right to be made with
contracts with the city or the police department or fire
what have you. But to make sure all right, yeah,
we we it's the future. Will probably contract out in
the in the future, but be careful and do it
right exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's a great tool, and
like so many other great tools. We have a tendency
to rush into things and uh and put them to
work right away, and it's you know, premature, and we
end up losing some some good opportunities.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well I think you lose. You have the potential also
to lose. What makes what makes the job a great
thing is that it's human interaction. I mean, yeah, you know,
we mentioned, I mentioned last time that we were talking
with you, Chief that of the thousands of contacts that
the LAPD has every single day with people, we only
(09:54):
hear one or two or three and they're usually not positive.
I mean, that's that's and that the there's thousands of
other great positive contacts that happen every single day that
just don't get the attention.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah. Now, probably literally millions of contacts a year, and
you hear about the ones that go wrong, and we
hate it when any go wrong. But when you think
about people call the police when their world is upside down,
their situation is out of their control. The police come
into a situation that's emotionally charged or more difficult, with alcohol,
(10:29):
drugs and mental illness involved so often the case today,
and try and be able to de escalate the situation
and restore some order and get people the services they need.
That's pretty challenging for anyone in any field, and that's
what they do. Call after call.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Chief McDonald may have been from Boston area Brookline, but
he is a graduate of the LA Police Academy. Do
you remember and I'm putting you on the spot here,
but do you remember of any of those like early
interactions you had, whether it was in the academy or
after you got the academy, with people in the community
that kind of stick with.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
You throughout your masterful career.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I mean now as head of the LAPD, But like
interactions or cases, are things that stuck with you that
remind you of why you do what you do?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Oh? Absolutely, you know, thinking back, that was forty four
years ago and I remember it like it was yesterday.
But coming out onto the street in the city I
didn't know at the time with people I had never
met before was something that was exciting but challenging, and
to be able to kind of acclimate to a new
culture and certainly a new career. I look back on
(11:39):
that and the thing that reminded me continuously of why
we do what we do. Sometimes under the most difficult
to circumstances is because of the victims, the people out
there who truly need the police, who without the police
would be living in terror, be locked in their homes,
and not be able to function in the way that
we all as Americans would expect to be able to.
(12:00):
So yeah, I've constantly been reminded throughout my career of
why I'm here, primarily because of the people who need
us the most.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
All right, are you ready for your jeopardy question? Okay,
all right, this is something we do every day.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I ask Gary a stupid jeopardy question from the stupid
dusk calendar we have. But today it's Ireland for one
thousand dollars. Chief founded in nine fourteen. Founded in nine fourteen.
This city, known for its crystal, is the oldest in Ireland.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Crystal.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
It's in the south. It's in the south.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Waterford, Waterford crystal.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Wow, Why do I not know that that's the most
common crystal.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, that's all right, Waterford.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I went to Waterford in Ireland and it was nothing
to write home about. It was very industrial, The crystal
warehouse was very nondescript.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But the crystal is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You stumped me.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
On that one.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I'm sorry. Next next time, I'll make sure to get
you gimme.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Chief.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Thanks for your time once again, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
It's a pleasure. Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
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him and hopefully well he'll come back.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, absolutely
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