November 20, 2024 • 16 mins
Gary and Shannon bring in their friend Justin Worsham to talk all things parenting!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
By the way, never sorry, you're your your prayer for
Shannon had been dying and you don't know me, and
it was definitely heightened by your sheer enjoyment of it.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
That made it okay for all of us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
To the pastors that are like, no, it's not correct, well.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Even that was great, they were like, I know theologically
that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
No, I think under the rail, I like that.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
That's scarier for you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You don't me at all meant to be paying attention
in any way. The first time it was said, it's like,
that's funny, Garry, but he really knows you. Wait what
I have to leave and rethink a lot of my choices.
I have so many amends to make.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
I mean, next hour, we're going to be talking about
the best Thanksgiving side dish. So you can always send
us a talkback feature on the iHeart what's your best
Thanksgiving such?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I love sweet potatoes.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I have a great sweet potato story too, because when
my wife was pregnant with our first son, it was
Father's Day weekend, we were visiting the family and she
had a craving of sweet potatoes and my mom had
some cand one in there, and so she put it
in the thing and put the marshmallows on top, even
though it was like summer. And my eight year old
niece was in front of my wife to make her plate,
and my eight year old niece scooped off half of
(01:35):
the marshmallows on the top of the tray and slapped
them on her plate, and my wife said, hey, some
of us want to eat that to you, little bitch
and stabbed her a hand with a fork.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
She was an eight year old girl was an eight
month old girl.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
No, eight year old, eight year old. I don't know,
it makes it better. It's definitely better than eight month old.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Pregnant.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, yeah, she was probably.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
About Yeah, it's a pregnant woman.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Or Natalie just in general, my wife with food in general,
she is she gets nasty.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Like really, oh yeah, you would like put your hand
next to her face when she's eating.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
We had a very big calf guy with a ponytail
come by so I could to socialize with my.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Wife food in security.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I think it's I used to have a joke in
my stand up BacT this is so bad for Natalie.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Uh Like being married to me isn't enough.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But she used to we went to Chipotle while I
was on the road, and she was pregnant, and.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I had to resist her to laugh because she was
This is.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
While I'm driving the car to the comedy club. This
is what I hear.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Look at her and just she's there with her pregnant
belly and all her adorable dust and just shoveling every
hoop hole.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And I couldn't resist.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I'm not a good enough man. I had to go, honey, honey, nobody's.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Gonna take that from me.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I got to tell him.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
She was like a dog.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It was like an as m of a dog eating
and she was breathing heavy because of the spice that
heightened it.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
But so she's say things like is it time to feed?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I love him. You believe you're so really about my wife?
Then you just thought it was you. I think it's
all women.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
I really so pretty and so polite. Yeah, you know,
I expect this kind of behavior from men.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Justin Morrison has joined. As we talk all stuff parenting.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
We talked a lot about phones at school and whether
or not kids are actually safer with phones at school.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
If anybody's really interested, I don't know. It says about me,
but because of this new legislation that Gavin Newsom's putting
out saying that you know, phones are not going to
be allowed in schools right, And there's more and more
states that I think are doing that are already had
existing legislation.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So Psychology Today.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Is doing a series on this topic, and one of
the things that they talked about is that and this
is what I hear from parents. I don't know if
it's the same thing, is that the pushback parents have
for wanting their kids to have a phone is for
their safety. And what I hear, whether it's right or not,
is that they are concerned that there is going to
be some kind of an active shooter situation at their
school and they won't be able to get in touch
with their kids and to or their kids to be
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able to get in touch with them, and somehow that's
going to change things. I don't know why. It makes
me feel like I'm a bad parent, but I don't.
I feel like I don't need my kid to call
me like I think. If that's going on, there are
people there that are working through it, and that's a
lot of the arguments that they have. Experts like police
officers and principals superintendents who weighed in on this, and
(04:24):
they've said, we've had actual situations where there was an
emergency on campus and that the system gets so overloaded
from parents trying to contact their kids that they can't
contact their kids. There was another example that was given
where I think by a principle where he said the
kids were calling and when the cops arrived, there were
so many parents already at the school that the cops
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couldn't even get to the school easily.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
There was just too much traffic.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
I'm trying to think if because when you said I
don't need my kids to call me, but once your
kids want to call you if they were terrified, Like,
wouldn't that be who they wanted to call?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Or no, Yes, I don't know. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm just being honest, Like I get that, I totally
get that. But the whole time I'm reading this and
every time I hear this argument from parents, like like, I.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Don't want to think of my kids terrified in a
class themselves, even wanting to get a hold of me,
and me not being able to be there for them,
like in that moment, I don't know that's really hard
to think about that scenario, but.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
We have to remember that the as high profile as
school shootings are, they're very very very rare.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yes, yes, but your mind goes to worst case scenario.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, And I get.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I mean, I've done plenty of that awful mind game
stuff that you do with your own kids in their
safety or health or whatever. I just would assume that
kids are more likely to be in a car accident
on the way to or from school.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Then That's what I was going to say, is that,
for whatever, I think, Shannon's point has kind of honestly
blown my mind a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I'm thinking because it's for such.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
A joking, Like, I'm genuinely sensitive person, But why is
it that I don't I'm not. I never crossed my
mind to think that my kid would be terrified. And
I think it's because I'm more thinking of like the
risk reward, right if they don't have their phones, and
that means that they're just paying better attention in the
classroom when that's what they're that's what they're there to do, right,
And I don't think I even have to worry about
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my sons in this regard. But still I'm like, to me,
it makes sense. I'm like, fine, take the phone. He
doesn't need it. People went forever in school, including all
of us, never had a phone, and we're all fine.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
That's the other issue that I mean, because we've talked
about this before in the context of LA Unified and
their plans, you know, coming up in a couple of
months where they're going to ban phones from schools. Basically,
the and the and the pushback a lot of times
is this issue of I would I would not allow
my kid to go to school without a phone, and
(06:48):
I I don't know. I guess it just seems to
me like it's naive or or we're now so conditioned
to having immediate contact that in those moments that we
don't have it, we think automatically think the worst. We
talked about it just a couple of weeks ago when
we were talking about who you track, who do you
follow on your phone? You know, why do you need
(07:09):
to know your kid's location twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Because we've gotten used to it, that's why.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Not because it makes you any better, or make your
kids safer, or make it's just that we've gotten used
to it.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
For me, it's entirely selfish. I've tracked my wife and
now my kids. But I started tracking my wife's phone
when I was on the road because before she knew it,
before she even knew my name.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's because if I.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Was gone on the road and I had a time
that I want to talk to when I called her
and if she didn't answer, it would genuinely help me
not worry. If I looked at where she was and
if I saw she was at home, could be wrong.
She could have left the phone. This is just my
dumb brain. But I was like, if it's at home,
she's taking care of the kids.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Or she's out.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I see she's at the grocery store, she's busy, she
can't talk right now, like that kind of stuff. But
people thought it was because I didn't trust her, and
it wasn't that. It was because I just I just
made me feel easier to be in Texas and know
what was going on. To a certain extent, Yes, and
I mean I have the same I tracked my wife
and my kids. I know where they are, but I
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don't need to all the time, and it's not something
that I'm obsessed with. But I wonder if there's a
if I took it off my phone, or if I
dis disfollow, unfollow social media, if I unfollowed them from
from Find my Friends or whatever, would I then constantly
think about, God, how do I find where they are?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I don't think I wouldn't. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I'm honestly this sounds like I'm making fun, But I
think Shannon's comment is going to make me do a
little bit of soul searching of like, what is it
about me that doesn't make me first go to why
what my kids terrified? I would want them to be
able to reach out to rely if possible. And I
really think it's that the cell phones have to be
such a huge problem in the classroom for teachers and
the schools just to manage I mean think about it,
(08:58):
for them to go to a legislate extent on this
stuff is really seems like there's got to be a
lot of people complaining about it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, Justin Warsham has joined.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
As we talk parenting, Tom Brady has given you a
run for your money, man.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He is, He's coming in hot with a lot of
the parenting advice. There was this clickfait thing where he
said that what he screwed up his kids. But this
is another interview that he did with the editor in
chief of Fortune magazine, and he said, this is a quote,
think of today's world, how we screw these kids up.
Every time they mess up, we send them to an
easier place to succeed. And he goes on to basically
(09:31):
talk about I think what it is is that I
don't know of I can't think of a specific example
where anybody that I know has looked put a kid
in a situation and go, let's take them out of
this and find someplace else where they can succeed.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I know people who have moved out of the state
so that their kid would be a starting player on
a footpath.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
There seems to be a growing trend though, of like
these players who are transferring to different schools just because
it's a better opportunity. It always made sense to me
because it's like, well, for they they need to get
exposure so they can hopefully get a better draft spot
or even a draft spot in the NFL. But his
point is is that you have to learn to overcome
that adversity, and I think all of us would agree
with that. I think that this growing trend of making
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things easier for your kids is taking away their ability
to overcome struggle and difficulty.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And I think that's really.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
What he's going at, Like, if you don't make your
kids push through and overcome something like even says, let
me see if I can find it. He basically says
that whatever's great. Oh, we've all faced different challenges in life.
We've all faced our own adversities. Look at the hardest thing,
that hardest things that have happened ever happened. We look
back at those and realize they're the best things that
(10:41):
could have happened.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And I don't I would agree, like usually when you.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
As you're Tom Brady, of course winning that many super
Bowls is the best thing that has ever happened in
the hardest time.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I don't think he's talking about that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I think he's like he's saying that like struggling in
high school to become the starter and doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think at Michigan. I think he's saying overcoming all.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
That that's more important to him than those successes because
they define his character.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Am I am I putting too many words in. I mean,
don't get me wrong, Shan.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I think it's very easy to listen bad advice when
you're Tom Brady because it all worked out.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
I'm not exactly. I'm not a hater of Tom Brady.
I don't hate excellence. I don't hate complete dedication to
being the best.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I applaud it. But I'm not going to Tom Brady
for parenting advice. If you know one thing in the NFL,
he was in the NFL for how many years?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Twenty three?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Okay, he never saw his kids. And that's not me
being rude.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
That's seeing how much time players and coaches spend at
the facility and playing football and at a high level
to do and to do it for that long, he
didn't parent.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
There was no parenting there.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
So like, maybe that's why he's now talking about it,
because he actually has eyes on his kids. And it's
not a knock on him personally. It's just that schedule
does not allow you to raise your kids the way
you raise your kids.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
True, yeah, I would not.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I would not be Tom Brady because I would like
I quit being a stand up because I wanted to
be home with my kids.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
There's this secondary issue here too that I think is
that at least he may be pointing to which is
it's good to have a kid get a win every
once in a while. I mean, the struggle is one thing,
learning how to struggle, learning how to cope, learning how
to pick yourself up and start over. The constant failure
is constant failure is bad. I mean, if you're not
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of the right mindset, you're done. It'll be hard to
get win back in your sales.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I have a girlfriend whose son is I believe he's thirteen, twelve, thirteen,
and did we have a conversation recently where he was
trying up for a play and he didn't get the
role that he wanted, and then something went wrong at school,
and she's like, I just this kid needs to have
a win, like at that time of his life, you know,
that that middle school time, how boys in particular can
(12:50):
get really down on themselves when it feels like everything's
against them, you know. And it was just like, I
just got to figure out a way to get this
kid a win. And then he ended up having like
a great soccer game or football year. I forget what
sport he was playing at the time, but you know,
it was just great that he had a good night,
you know, and it kind of made everything go away,
but that he was really down for like a week
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or so because it seemed like things were stacking up
against him well.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And that.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Doom loop that we talked about before is really it's
really easy to lean into that, especially when it comes
to things like social media or whatever, where you see
other people succeeding when you're not right. The other people
are posting about their wins and you don't have any
to post about, and that it just, you know, continues.
We've talked before about the algorithm that once you start
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seeing that stuff, you can't not see it anymore, right,
And that's kind of one of the.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
You're right, Shannon, because and Gary, like I'm looking back,
middle school has so far has been the most difficult
part of parenting. I would say it's even more difficult
than when they were babies, like just with the lack
of sleep, because there's there's just this different weight of
emotional Like there their emotion, they're learning about how to
deal with their emotions, and there's just bigger states at
what's going on in their life for them, and I
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think even for me as their dad. And when my
son was he he was failing a lot like things
were not going well with him. But what ended up
happening was he did not get cast in the dance ensemble,
and without being asked, he came home very upset, like
in tears.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He just said.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
He went to the choreographer and said, can I just
come to the rehearsals. I just this is to this
day so far, this is one of the most proudest
things my son has ever done.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
In my opinion.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
He went in there and said, I just want to
be here for the practices even though I can't do it,
because I want to learn. And eventually the teacher respected
it and put him in the dance ensemble by the
end of the year, even though he said at the
beginning he's like, you're not getting in.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
That's really incredible, right he was twelve years old.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
To be that vulnerable at that age and just commit
saying I just want to do this. And the reason
why I think I came in here all hot, saying
I think Tom Brady brings up a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Of good points, even the ships.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Right he never talked to his kids when they were little,
is that he might need to.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Maybe I'm projecting myself into what he's doing because when
I looked at that opportunity. Even though overcoming that is
a big reason why my son is as self confident
as he is, and it's hard to break his self confidence.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
That wasn't something he overcome.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
He took the matter into his own hands and changed
his fate in the in the matter.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yes, like that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
With no chance of reward, no promise of anything. Did
it just blindly because he felt that's the right thing
to do.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
That's something you would do, I think so.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I don't think I would have done it his age.
I really don't think I would have done it as twelve.
I was so weak. He also like he's got character
of like get a girlfriend, he gets into high school.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
He's a good looking dude. He's my son. Come on,
he's got a comment. How could he not be?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
The jeans are there regardless of what his mom was
bringing to the soup.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay, but the point is soup.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
One day we're gonna have her in here. We'd be like, no,
that could never happen. Just Nie comes out of the closet.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
He changed.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I wish I was different, not like when she was around.
That's not that's that's what makes me worse. But at
these girls that were liking him, that were older, and
he just he was always into his girlfriend at the time.
And I can tell you without a shadow of a
doubt that if a freshman Justin had a girl that
was like a sophomore or junior that was firting with me,
I'd be like, it's been lovely, thank you for your time.
I'm just gonna go see what's going on over here
(16:15):
for a quick sec. But there, he's a good kid.
They're both good dudes.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Horror long as it could last. Sorry, what dudes do?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I'm a lady.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Okay, tell me where?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
My god, he's on fire. Ye stop, we have to stop.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
He said where with such a perfect intonation it was stopped.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Myness,
By the way, never sorry, you're your your prayer for
Shannon had been dying and you don't know me, and
it was definitely heightened by your sheer enjoyment of it.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
That made it okay for all of us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
To the pastors that are like, no, it's not correct, well.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Even that was great, they were like, I know theologically
that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
No, I think under the rail, I like that.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
That's scarier for you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You don't me at all meant to be paying attention
in any way. The first time it was said, it's like,
that's funny, Garry, but he really knows you. Wait what
I have to leave and rethink a lot of my choices.
I have so many amends to make.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
I mean, next hour, we're going to be talking about
the best Thanksgiving side dish. So you can always send
us a talkback feature on the iHeart what's your best
Thanksgiving such?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I love sweet potatoes.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I have a great sweet potato story too, because when
my wife was pregnant with our first son, it was
Father's Day weekend, we were visiting the family and she
had a craving of sweet potatoes and my mom had
some cand one in there, and so she put it
in the thing and put the marshmallows on top, even
though it was like summer. And my eight year old
niece was in front of my wife to make her plate,
and my eight year old niece scooped off half of
(01:35):
the marshmallows on the top of the tray and slapped
them on her plate, and my wife said, hey, some
of us want to eat that to you, little bitch
and stabbed her a hand with a fork.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
She was an eight year old girl was an eight
month old girl.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
No, eight year old, eight year old. I don't know,
it makes it better. It's definitely better than eight month old.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Pregnant.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, yeah, she was probably.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
About Yeah, it's a pregnant woman.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Or Natalie just in general, my wife with food in general,
she is she gets nasty.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Like really, oh yeah, you would like put your hand
next to her face when she's eating.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
We had a very big calf guy with a ponytail
come by so I could to socialize with my.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Wife food in security.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I think it's I used to have a joke in
my stand up BacT this is so bad for Natalie.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Uh Like being married to me isn't enough.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But she used to we went to Chipotle while I
was on the road, and she was pregnant, and.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I had to resist her to laugh because she was
This is.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
While I'm driving the car to the comedy club. This
is what I hear.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Look at her and just she's there with her pregnant
belly and all her adorable dust and just shoveling every
hoop hole.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And I couldn't resist.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I'm not a good enough man. I had to go, honey, honey, nobody's.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Gonna take that from me.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I got to tell him.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
She was like a dog.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It was like an as m of a dog eating
and she was breathing heavy because of the spice that
heightened it.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
But so she's say things like is it time to feed?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I love him. You believe you're so really about my wife?
Then you just thought it was you. I think it's
all women.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
I really so pretty and so polite. Yeah, you know,
I expect this kind of behavior from men.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Justin Morrison has joined. As we talk all stuff parenting.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
We talked a lot about phones at school and whether
or not kids are actually safer with phones at school.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
If anybody's really interested, I don't know. It says about me,
but because of this new legislation that Gavin Newsom's putting
out saying that you know, phones are not going to
be allowed in schools right, And there's more and more
states that I think are doing that are already had
existing legislation.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So Psychology Today.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Is doing a series on this topic, and one of
the things that they talked about is that and this
is what I hear from parents. I don't know if
it's the same thing, is that the pushback parents have
for wanting their kids to have a phone is for
their safety. And what I hear, whether it's right or not,
is that they are concerned that there is going to
be some kind of an active shooter situation at their
school and they won't be able to get in touch
with their kids and to or their kids to be
(04:04):
able to get in touch with them, and somehow that's
going to change things. I don't know why. It makes
me feel like I'm a bad parent, but I don't.
I feel like I don't need my kid to call
me like I think. If that's going on, there are
people there that are working through it, and that's a
lot of the arguments that they have. Experts like police
officers and principals superintendents who weighed in on this, and
(04:24):
they've said, we've had actual situations where there was an
emergency on campus and that the system gets so overloaded
from parents trying to contact their kids that they can't
contact their kids. There was another example that was given
where I think by a principle where he said the
kids were calling and when the cops arrived, there were
so many parents already at the school that the cops
(04:46):
couldn't even get to the school easily.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
There was just too much traffic.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
I'm trying to think if because when you said I
don't need my kids to call me, but once your
kids want to call you if they were terrified, Like,
wouldn't that be who they wanted to call?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Or no, Yes, I don't know. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm just being honest, Like I get that, I totally
get that. But the whole time I'm reading this and
every time I hear this argument from parents, like like, I.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Don't want to think of my kids terrified in a
class themselves, even wanting to get a hold of me,
and me not being able to be there for them,
like in that moment, I don't know that's really hard
to think about that scenario, but.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
We have to remember that the as high profile as
school shootings are, they're very very very rare.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yes, yes, but your mind goes to worst case scenario.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, And I get.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I mean, I've done plenty of that awful mind game
stuff that you do with your own kids in their
safety or health or whatever. I just would assume that
kids are more likely to be in a car accident
on the way to or from school.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Then That's what I was going to say, is that,
for whatever, I think, Shannon's point has kind of honestly
blown my mind a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I'm thinking because it's for such.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
A joking, Like, I'm genuinely sensitive person, But why is
it that I don't I'm not. I never crossed my
mind to think that my kid would be terrified. And
I think it's because I'm more thinking of like the
risk reward, right if they don't have their phones, and
that means that they're just paying better attention in the
classroom when that's what they're that's what they're there to do, right,
And I don't think I even have to worry about
(06:17):
my sons in this regard. But still I'm like, to me,
it makes sense. I'm like, fine, take the phone. He
doesn't need it. People went forever in school, including all
of us, never had a phone, and we're all fine.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
That's the other issue that I mean, because we've talked
about this before in the context of LA Unified and
their plans, you know, coming up in a couple of
months where they're going to ban phones from schools. Basically,
the and the and the pushback a lot of times
is this issue of I would I would not allow
my kid to go to school without a phone, and
(06:48):
I I don't know. I guess it just seems to
me like it's naive or or we're now so conditioned
to having immediate contact that in those moments that we
don't have it, we think automatically think the worst. We
talked about it just a couple of weeks ago when
we were talking about who you track, who do you
follow on your phone? You know, why do you need
(07:09):
to know your kid's location twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Because we've gotten used to it, that's why.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Not because it makes you any better, or make your
kids safer, or make it's just that we've gotten used
to it.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
For me, it's entirely selfish. I've tracked my wife and
now my kids. But I started tracking my wife's phone
when I was on the road because before she knew it,
before she even knew my name.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's because if I.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Was gone on the road and I had a time
that I want to talk to when I called her
and if she didn't answer, it would genuinely help me
not worry. If I looked at where she was and
if I saw she was at home, could be wrong.
She could have left the phone. This is just my
dumb brain. But I was like, if it's at home,
she's taking care of the kids.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Or she's out.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I see she's at the grocery store, she's busy, she
can't talk right now, like that kind of stuff. But
people thought it was because I didn't trust her, and
it wasn't that. It was because I just I just
made me feel easier to be in Texas and know
what was going on. To a certain extent, Yes, and
I mean I have the same I tracked my wife
and my kids. I know where they are, but I
(08:12):
don't need to all the time, and it's not something
that I'm obsessed with. But I wonder if there's a
if I took it off my phone, or if I
dis disfollow, unfollow social media, if I unfollowed them from
from Find my Friends or whatever, would I then constantly
think about, God, how do I find where they are?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I don't think I wouldn't. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I'm honestly this sounds like I'm making fun, But I
think Shannon's comment is going to make me do a
little bit of soul searching of like, what is it
about me that doesn't make me first go to why
what my kids terrified? I would want them to be
able to reach out to rely if possible. And I
really think it's that the cell phones have to be
such a huge problem in the classroom for teachers and
the schools just to manage I mean think about it,
(08:58):
for them to go to a legislate extent on this
stuff is really seems like there's got to be a
lot of people complaining about it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, Justin Warsham has joined.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
As we talk parenting, Tom Brady has given you a
run for your money, man.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He is, He's coming in hot with a lot of
the parenting advice. There was this clickfait thing where he
said that what he screwed up his kids. But this
is another interview that he did with the editor in
chief of Fortune magazine, and he said, this is a quote,
think of today's world, how we screw these kids up.
Every time they mess up, we send them to an
easier place to succeed. And he goes on to basically
(09:31):
talk about I think what it is is that I
don't know of I can't think of a specific example
where anybody that I know has looked put a kid
in a situation and go, let's take them out of
this and find someplace else where they can succeed.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I know people who have moved out of the state
so that their kid would be a starting player on
a footpath.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
There seems to be a growing trend though, of like
these players who are transferring to different schools just because
it's a better opportunity. It always made sense to me
because it's like, well, for they they need to get
exposure so they can hopefully get a better draft spot
or even a draft spot in the NFL. But his
point is is that you have to learn to overcome
that adversity, and I think all of us would agree
with that. I think that this growing trend of making
(10:13):
things easier for your kids is taking away their ability
to overcome struggle and difficulty.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And I think that's really.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
What he's going at, Like, if you don't make your
kids push through and overcome something like even says, let
me see if I can find it. He basically says
that whatever's great. Oh, we've all faced different challenges in life.
We've all faced our own adversities. Look at the hardest thing,
that hardest things that have happened ever happened. We look
back at those and realize they're the best things that
(10:41):
could have happened.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And I don't I would agree, like usually when you.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
As you're Tom Brady, of course winning that many super
Bowls is the best thing that has ever happened in
the hardest time.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I don't think he's talking about that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I think he's like he's saying that like struggling in
high school to become the starter and doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think at Michigan. I think he's saying overcoming all.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
That that's more important to him than those successes because
they define his character.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Am I am I putting too many words in. I mean,
don't get me wrong, Shan.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I think it's very easy to listen bad advice when
you're Tom Brady because it all worked out.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
I'm not exactly. I'm not a hater of Tom Brady.
I don't hate excellence. I don't hate complete dedication to
being the best.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I applaud it. But I'm not going to Tom Brady
for parenting advice. If you know one thing in the NFL,
he was in the NFL for how many years?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Twenty three?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Okay, he never saw his kids. And that's not me
being rude.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
That's seeing how much time players and coaches spend at
the facility and playing football and at a high level
to do and to do it for that long, he
didn't parent.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
There was no parenting there.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
So like, maybe that's why he's now talking about it,
because he actually has eyes on his kids. And it's
not a knock on him personally. It's just that schedule
does not allow you to raise your kids the way
you raise your kids.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
True, yeah, I would not.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I would not be Tom Brady because I would like
I quit being a stand up because I wanted to
be home with my kids.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
There's this secondary issue here too that I think is
that at least he may be pointing to which is
it's good to have a kid get a win every
once in a while. I mean, the struggle is one thing,
learning how to struggle, learning how to cope, learning how
to pick yourself up and start over. The constant failure
is constant failure is bad. I mean, if you're not
(12:23):
of the right mindset, you're done. It'll be hard to
get win back in your sales.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
I have a girlfriend whose son is I believe he's thirteen, twelve, thirteen,
and did we have a conversation recently where he was
trying up for a play and he didn't get the
role that he wanted, and then something went wrong at school,
and she's like, I just this kid needs to have
a win, like at that time of his life, you know,
that that middle school time, how boys in particular can
(12:50):
get really down on themselves when it feels like everything's
against them, you know. And it was just like, I
just got to figure out a way to get this
kid a win. And then he ended up having like
a great soccer game or football year. I forget what
sport he was playing at the time, but you know,
it was just great that he had a good night,
you know, and it kind of made everything go away,
but that he was really down for like a week
(13:10):
or so because it seemed like things were stacking up
against him well.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And that.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Doom loop that we talked about before is really it's
really easy to lean into that, especially when it comes
to things like social media or whatever, where you see
other people succeeding when you're not right. The other people
are posting about their wins and you don't have any
to post about, and that it just, you know, continues.
We've talked before about the algorithm that once you start
(13:38):
seeing that stuff, you can't not see it anymore, right,
And that's kind of one of the.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
You're right, Shannon, because and Gary, like I'm looking back,
middle school has so far has been the most difficult
part of parenting. I would say it's even more difficult
than when they were babies, like just with the lack
of sleep, because there's there's just this different weight of
emotional Like there their emotion, they're learning about how to
deal with their emotions, and there's just bigger states at
what's going on in their life for them, and I
(14:02):
think even for me as their dad. And when my
son was he he was failing a lot like things
were not going well with him. But what ended up
happening was he did not get cast in the dance ensemble,
and without being asked, he came home very upset, like
in tears.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He just said.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
He went to the choreographer and said, can I just
come to the rehearsals. I just this is to this
day so far, this is one of the most proudest
things my son has ever done.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
In my opinion.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
He went in there and said, I just want to
be here for the practices even though I can't do it,
because I want to learn. And eventually the teacher respected
it and put him in the dance ensemble by the
end of the year, even though he said at the
beginning he's like, you're not getting in.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
That's really incredible, right he was twelve years old.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
To be that vulnerable at that age and just commit
saying I just want to do this. And the reason
why I think I came in here all hot, saying
I think Tom Brady brings up a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Of good points, even the ships.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Right he never talked to his kids when they were little,
is that he might need to.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Maybe I'm projecting myself into what he's doing because when
I looked at that opportunity. Even though overcoming that is
a big reason why my son is as self confident
as he is, and it's hard to break his self confidence.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
That wasn't something he overcome.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
He took the matter into his own hands and changed
his fate in the in the matter.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yes, like that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
With no chance of reward, no promise of anything. Did
it just blindly because he felt that's the right thing
to do.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
That's something you would do, I think so.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I don't think I would have done it his age.
I really don't think I would have done it as twelve.
I was so weak. He also like he's got character
of like get a girlfriend, he gets into high school.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
He's a good looking dude. He's my son. Come on,
he's got a comment. How could he not be?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
The jeans are there regardless of what his mom was
bringing to the soup.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay, but the point is soup.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
One day we're gonna have her in here. We'd be like, no,
that could never happen. Just Nie comes out of the closet.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
He changed.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I wish I was different, not like when she was around.
That's not that's that's what makes me worse. But at
these girls that were liking him, that were older, and
he just he was always into his girlfriend at the time.
And I can tell you without a shadow of a
doubt that if a freshman Justin had a girl that
was like a sophomore or junior that was firting with me,
I'd be like, it's been lovely, thank you for your time.
I'm just gonna go see what's going on over here
(16:15):
for a quick sec. But there, he's a good kid.
They're both good dudes.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Horror long as it could last. Sorry, what dudes do?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I'm a lady.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Okay, tell me where?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
My god, he's on fire. Ye stop, we have to stop.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
He said where with such a perfect intonation it was stopped.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Myness,
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