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July 24, 2025 • 12 mins
Gary and Shannon bring you some some strange science news. Does bread make you lazy?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for strange science. Strange science.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's like weird science, but strange.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Have you ever heard of a neurobiotic sense? Well, you
have one, and it's in your colonus. Yes, let's the
body detect bacterial signals and control appetite in real time.
The specialized gut cells respond to microbial protein called flagellin.

(00:33):
It triggers the release of the hormone p Y. Why
not pretty young thing, but p Y why? The extra
y is for the vegas, the vegus nerve to tell
the brain to stop eating pretty young vegas v A
g us, not vjgas.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
You're still on really good behavior.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
They actually refer to this as a sense makes sense
that would rival site, smell, taste, touch, and hearing and importance.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
There are certain mice that lack this sensing system, and
these mice ate more food, they gained more weight.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Is there a way to test for this sixth sense?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Can we be missing it some of us?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I suppose it could be. If you're not missing it,
maybe it's muted.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Like when I see the bag of M and ms. Yeah,
does it run and hide this sixth sense?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, I would also say that there's a certain amount
of There's probably two factors there that are against each other.
One is our constant desire to stay fed. Yeah, we
have a very basic desire to eat because that's what
fuels our body. And sugars like that also trigger something
ridiculously powerful in our heads because that's the immediate energy.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
So they work together or they work against each they
work in competition. Well, you on the one hand, and
you're immediately drawn to the eminems. You know, your body
knows it's immediate energy. But you'll never eat enough minems
that your body will go WHOA, that's too many eminems.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I know that's the problem, and that that's where I
want to know what's going on with my vegus nerve,
because that's the thing. There's certain things where it doesn't
kick in and say you've had enough of that. French fries.
French fries also another problem. Remember that study Mondo gave
us years ago. It said, like nine French fries is

(02:30):
the amount you should have.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Who stops it? Nine French fries.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Kind of a psychopathic monster, that's a serial killer. Now,
the current weight loss medications, all these GLP ones that
we've talked about, whether it's ozembic or manjaro or all those.
They target your brain chemistry or they will slow down
your digestion. That's how those work. And they're saying this

(02:55):
kind of research to this, what was the term that
you used. Neurobiotic sense? That would be a completely different approach.
If you could manipulate your bacterial sensing system in your guts,
that may be a way to at least curb cravings.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
But it doesn't seem like cravings the problem.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
It seems like it's like once you start eating whatever
the food it is, it should kick in.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
The secondary portion of it when it tells you to
stop the nine French fry rules, Like when.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
You had that brownie? Yeah, where was the pretty young Vegas?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Where was the end? There was no end. There was
no end until it was gone. You did not finish
it until it disappeared.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
We do have a plane side asteroid headed for Earth.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Let's go sized as got that to tell you about.
We've got bread making its sad to get into as well. Okay,
I have a sad story to tell about a do
you want to hear the story? So I used to
be terrified as spiders. I too would just throw phone
books back when we had phone books at them when
I lived alone, or I'd spray them with whatever it

(04:11):
was in a spray bottle.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Around my home.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
You know, when I used to peroxide my hair, the
spider would get the peroxide. So you had a blond
spider for breeze does a lot of insect killing.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
A blonde smell good spider.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
But then I learned to live amongst the spiders. I
was told that killing a spider is bad luck. So
I've learned to not be afraid of them and just
let them live their lives. So now when I see
a spider in my home, go through a removal process
where you take a pint class and you put it
over the spider and you move it outside.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Let it live its life outside a removal process.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yesterday I went to go take a shower and I
started the hot water in the shower, and then I
was in the bedroom getting something or whatever.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
I come back.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
The shower had been running a minute or so hot water,
and there in the shower and the tub was a
little curled up spider. And I thought, oh, no, I
killed a spider. I'm gonna have bad luck. But maybe
the spider's just resting. Sometimes in the water they curl
up like that to protect themselves. So I had my shower.
I didn't touch the spider. It's there in the shower

(05:17):
with me. I don't touch it. And I was like, hey,
little spider, don't worry. I'm blocking the water with my
mammoth body and I will protect you from any more
hot water. And I took a quick shower, and I
did protect the spider, and then I got out and
I just hope that the spider would dry off and
then leave and walk away and live its spider life.
But when I got home after work that day, I

(05:40):
saw that the spider was still all crumpled up, and
the spider was in fact dead. So I did kill
that spider with the shower water. Now, it was not
an intentional murder. I did not see the spider in there.
I certainly did not intend to kill a spider that
I didnt even know was there with the water.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
But it happened. It was a negligent homicide, is what
it was.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Go back to the part where you shielded the spider
from the water with your mammoth body.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
I did.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
I really tried your mammoth take up as much space
in there as I could to protect the spider who
was already wounded and in a fetal position.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Spider fetal position. It's not just armed, it's not just
bo it's eight and they're all crinkled together.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Bread is uh? Bread is making you depressed?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
They say there is a new theory scientists are exploring
with studies that show a link.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Between gluten, evil evil.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Gluten and an array of mental health conditions, from ADHD
to schizophrenia.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
I have a question. You have a non gluten people
in your life?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I call them magic, the people, the magical. Yes, they're magical.
And we don't say the word gluten.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
We just asked. We just say the word magic.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
So is it in every It's not just in bread.
It's in a lot of things, right, stuff that's made
with flour or okay includes magic.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Okay. So anything with flower in it.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Is that flowers? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Okay, I mean wheat base, like if I got into
a can of pringles gluten.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
That's a great question. This is my question, made potato.
You're constantly looking at labels, is this right? Con awful?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Constantly?

Speaker 4 (07:22):
I'm sorry?

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Do you have a magic menu? I'm sorry? Do you
serve magic pizza cross.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
When you have these people in your home, what stops
you from just feeding them nuts and berries nothing or
like broccoli, like just actuals.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
That we're not a holes.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
So if somebody has a problem, a legitimate problem, right,
will go out of our.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Way to accommy.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
And I know that.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I just if somebody says that they're magic simply because
they want to be magic and want to appear magic,
that's very annoying.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
How do you know the difference?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Probably don't, Yeah, probably don't.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
But I mean.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
It's it's hard to exclude gluten from whatever you're serving people,
I would imagine.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, Well it takes some sometimes it takes some creativity.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Like your wife makes great lad.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Great enchiladas gluten and most of the time is gluten
and cheese. Well it's funny, Oh my god, there was
a corn problem before and she wraps them in corn tortillas.
Now she can make them with a flower tortilla, or
you can make them with a gluten free tortilla, a
gluten free or a corn tortilla. Anyway, a corn tortilla
is gluten free, yes, because there's no flour in. But

(08:30):
there it's the corn right when the corn was the
problem last time. So then we had to do the
magic the magic tortillas, which wasn't a problem because there
was no one match.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Do you ever just want to take a crap in
the enchiladas and say, here's your uh, here you go.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
I bet you're allergic to this.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Deanna Kelly's a professor of psychiatry for Mental Illness Research
at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, spent the
last seventeen years leading clinical trials and schizophrenic and severe
mental illness, and said, I would have been skeptical if
you told me I'd end up studying this connection. But
my line of thinking was therapy and medications. I don't
know food. I didn't know food and diet could actually

(09:14):
be good medicine. So she said she was This all
started because she was analyzing scientists, sorry, she was analyzing
soldiers from the Second World War, and then during wheat
shortages when we were fighting in World War Two, during
wheat shortages, hospitalizations went down.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
I feel like there's another factor at play. He could be.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, listen, it doesn't necessarily mean there's a connection. There's
some sort of correlation, but we don't know what it was.
The other thing was she looked at the work in
Out of the nineteen seventies a psychiatrist did a study
and looked at people with schizophrenia who recovered after taking
on a wheat free diet.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
The last thing we need is people with schizophrenia having
another reason not to take their medication for schizophrenia. Oh
maybe I'll just try wheatless, give up bread, and then
it'll all be cured. Isn't that a major problem with
people who have schizophrenia. They don't take their mind, they
don't want to take their meds. And I get it
that you don't feel like yourself. It's awful. You feel
like your numbed, doubt or what have you. That would

(10:27):
be awful.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
But that same guy who worked in the seventies talking
about the schizophrenia recovering on a wheat free diet schizophrenics,
I should say, he also visited islands in Papua New
Guinea where wheat is not part of the diet and
they have virtually zero cases of schizophrenia. Now, again, it's
not to say that wheat or gluten causes schizophrenia, but

(10:53):
that's a weird correlation. She wrote a book called Get
Your Brain Off Grain. And we've talked about before gluten sensitivity. Obviously,
glutens a bunch of proteins that are found in wheats
and barley's and rice, key grains that are found in breads,
in the pastas and the pastries, which is what makes

(11:14):
them taste so good. Some people are sensitive to gluten,
which means their immune system will fight against the gluten
because it considers it a foreign invader in the body
that will blow apart your plumbing.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
The end result.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Gluten was only introduced into our diets about six thousand
years ago, is what they said.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
It's making me want bread real bad.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well, it can cause and.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
The I kind of just want to go home, get
a loaf of bread, sit on the couch. Maybe just
bring the butter from the fridge to the couch, Like
just what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, don't scoop it, spread it onto individual wad.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Just bring the cube.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Cuba butter in one hand, ye, get in the other.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
I don't even if I'm gonna bother with a knife
at this point.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Why you got a bunch of little knives in your mouth.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
You're damn right, just as God intended what do you
think he gave me these for the problem, if not
for gnawing on a cube of butter.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
The problem, she thinks, is the inflammation that occurs when
your body fights against the gluten dare. It can also
occur in your brain, and when the antibodies fight gets
to the brain, the symptoms that could develop foggy thinking,
lack of energy, poor emotional control, anxiety, mood changes, hallucinations,
seizures even in some cases, and the concern is that

(12:38):
that on in rare occasions, could potentially be the cause
of some schizophrenia.
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