December 9, 2025 • 12 mins
For #TrueCrimeTuesday, the NY Post’s wild exclusive takes center stage: a nepo-baby accused of killing his girlfriend and immediately calling Dad to lawyer up. The hour wraps with another jaw-dropper, the kayaker who faked his own death to escape his marriage, only to resurface, get caught, and now… walk free.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, this story actually comes to us from London by
way of Chicago. Joshua Michaels, a twenty six year old
guy from Chicago, had been studying filmmaking at Goldsmith's University
of London, describes himself as a cinematographer, photographer, drone pilot,
and his LinkedIn page he had gotten his undergraduate degree
(00:22):
in cinematography and film production from DePaul University a few
years ago.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I feel like the title drone pilot just reeks of
I have disposable income, I have disposable money.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm a drone pilot.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, I can spend hours piloting a drone because I
don't have to work in those hours.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I think it's one of those up and coming things
that probably we I mean, there are people who make
all kinds of money piloting drone for for what our companies,
real estate companies. Well, it's just it's different than what
It's different than what it was ten year years ago.
Perhaps at least that's what he wants us to think
(01:03):
it is. So his he got into a relationship with
Gi Wang, and there was something particular about g that
she was a self confessed germophobe.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Ah, she developed a rash.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
At one point and blamed it on Josh, suggesting he
had given her an STD.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
These two had been seeing each other for only six
months and had slept together only once in that time.
Because of her high standards of cleanliness, I've known people
like this, one person like this who was such a
germophobe that this person did not want to have sex
because this person did not want any sort of.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Exchange.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, you don't have to tell me.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I don't know a lot. I didn't ask a lot
of follow ups.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yeah, I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
She would disinfect his sofa before she sat on it.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
That would be difficult to date someone like that.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
She would clean his apartment when she was over to
visit him, and when they did agree to do the deed,
she sent him instructions on how to come into the apartment,
how to wash himself, how to apply a prophylactic device
(02:41):
before he even entered the boudoir where she would be waiting.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
She also insisted.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Put the sexy into this, doesn't She.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
That this guy show her his test results before they
had sex, but after developing a rash, she demanded that
he'd take another test.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And he refused, so she accused him of ruining her life. Yes,
threatened to go to the university. What are you gonna say,
This guy's got an STD and he's passing it.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
He didn't follow the instructions.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
They argue that because she wanted a serious relationship and
she was frustrated he wasn't making more time with her.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Oh man, he's got to take all the time to
get right now.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
He's got to do a silkwood scrub before he gets
on in there. On the day of the murder, he
had gone to her apartment to make a charcuterie board
to console her. Wait just a dang minute, there is
not one germophobe in the history of germophobes that wants
a sharcutery board.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
There is no way in.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Hell if I'm having you silkwood.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Scrub your ass before you have any sexy time with me,
that I'm going to be impressed with a shark couterie board.
Knowing you've touched all of those things. They've just been
sitting there letting the air touch them and all the
particles in the air. I mean, literally, what a nightmare
for a germophobe. Is the charcuterie board.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Well, that may have been why the argument broke out.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Among other things, he stabbed her in the face twice
and choked her before he left her home. Now he
had said that she went after him originally.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I bet I bet she saw that charcuterie board and
she was like, oh, hell no, you brought all.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Those germs in here. You just have that meat sweat
in the open. And I bet you I'd call I'd
say self defense.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And you know what, there's not a jury in this
land that would not forgive him for any sort of murder.
He made her this beautiful selection of meats and cheeses,
and through her own faults, she saw that as an
attack on her and her lack of germs, and she
went after him, and he defended himself.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I would vote not guilty.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I will say this.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
The prosecutors said she had a shot at living if
he had called the ambulance. Okay, But but instead he
called his dad while she was dying. Yeah, asking for
an attorney.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well, yeah, I mean I can see where that he
would have questions of.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And you know what's worse, he tells.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
The police when they show up.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, Well, I know how this looks Yeah, he said,
it's not what it seems.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
But this is a.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Pretty strong defense. I think he's got a pretty strong defense.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, he's been found guilty. Oh yeah, he has not
yet been sentenced in London. But oh, this is in London.
It's not in America. I was treating this as if
it was in America. In America, we charcuterie goes a
long way.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, we don't turn down perfectly slights, delicious.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Meats and cheeses.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
You know, a follow up to hers.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Kind to our germophobes when they shun our meats.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Follow it to a long ago true Crime Tuesday story.
But a guy who faked his own death. This is
probably the best way it could have worked out.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
My husband and I have this understanding with each other
where we say to each other, just divorce me, don't
kill me, because how often do you watch a dateline
or twenty twenty or anything in Keith Morrison vehicle and
they could have just gotten a divorce. Yeah, why do
you have to kill the other person, Just get a divorce.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
You guys talk about this, Yes, you.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And your wife have never had the conversation of if
you want to leave me, just get a divorce.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Don't kill me.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Oh, with the amount of murder that goes on in relationships,
I think it's something that should be addressed.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I'll bring it up this afternoon. I'm sure that it
will be received very warm. Honey. I was thinking, honey.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I was thinking today at work, who are you liking
on Instagram? And then there's this If you want to
kill me, just divorce me.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
A few years ago, we told you the story about
Ryan Borgwart. He is a guy from Wisconsin who faked
his own death so he could leave his wife of
twenty two.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Years, father of three, and they're in their mid forties,
and apparently he wanted to leave the country, leave his
family behind, so he could be with his lover. At first,
the disappearance, when we covered I think we disappeared. We
covered it disappearing, father of three and Wisconsin, and it
was weird because it was Wisconsin and the kayaking and
(07:41):
all of the things, and it was three young kids.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And did he drowned and this is all very weird.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yes, the sudden disappearance treated as a possible drowning. But
they searched and they searched, and they searched for fifty
eight days to the tune of thirty thousand dollars, and
those odd clues started to rear their heads, didn't they.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, I mean originally he'd flipped his kayak, he dumped
his phone, he put everything into the water, but he
had also packed an inflatable boat and then e biked
his way to Madison, Wisconsin. Overnight he crossed into the border.
Sorry crossed over the border into Canada and was said
(08:21):
to be in communication with this Russian mistress, Katya, mother
of two. He eventually got a new passport, He got
a three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars life insurance
policy BEFO, before fleeing to Georgia, the Soviet Georgia, not
the Atlanta Georgia.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
They say you spent four months there before returning to
America after investigators convinced him to do so.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And I'm gonna call bs on that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I think he spent four months with Katia and was like,
you know what, I don't like her either. This isn't
the grass isn't greener. I gotta get the hell away
from this woman. She's Russian and she's crazy. Where's America at?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
He turned himself in charged with obstruction. Two days after
he got home, Emily filed for divorce. Because that's a
hard sell a guy.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
She didn't kill him, She filed for divorce.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
A guy from Wisconsin hooking up with a Russian woman.
That is quite a one eighty. Like you're a guy
from the Midwest. You like your brats, you like your beer,
you like your Packers football, and suddenly you're involved with
a Russian and she's slinging vodka, and it's cold, and
she never smiles. It's colder than Wisconsin cold. It's Russia cold.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Now. A tabloid reached out.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Can't cook.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
If you can't cook for a Wisconsin man, you're screwed.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
You're as door dash.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
A tabloid reached out to Katya, and again, this is
the Russian mom that he left his wife for. She
said that she told officers that she's probably skinny.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Ryan Borgwart, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Borgwart was just a friend who had been helping her
with problem before, asking why they contacted her. After a
few weeks of communication, she eventually put them in touch
with borg Wart, saying, I will talk to Ryan so
that he comes back sooner. I beg you please help
him so that he does not have many problems with
the law, and so that they tried to keep his passport,
(10:19):
and she says, maybe they will listen to your word.
He was always honest with you in touch. No one
knows how hard it is for him now, though he
tries not to show it. He explained that they had
met online last year and she initially said that she
was from Ukraine, that they quickly became close, that they
had identical personalities. It took about a month.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
She said, yeah, she was who you wanted her to be,
because she wanted your American dollars.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
When he finally turned himself in, he revealed that he
deliberately flipped his kayak, dumped his phone and his stuff
in the water before he paddled to safety on an
inflatable boat, and then rode that ee bike into Madison overnight.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I think he got hungry, do you think so?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
You don't think Georgia has a lot of great food
down there.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I don't think Russian slash Ukrainian women are I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
She looks pretty young and thin. When these pictures that
I'm pulling up, you can't have. You can't have that
with a guy from Wisconsin. You got to give him
his meats.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
He only had to cheese curds. He only had to
serve eighty nine days in jail. The state judge did
order him to pay the costs of the search. If
you remember, it cost about thirty grand to look for
him after they thought that his kayak had gone down
with him in it on Green Lake there in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I was on that road trip to Utah. I stopped
at a lot of Maverick gas stations. You buy cheese
curds there. They had different flavored cheese curds in the car. Really,
I mean, why not?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I guess that's I've never thought of that. We're doing
real work here today. Why not. I got a lot
of topics to bring up with my wife when I
get home.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Say please don't. Yeah, you're not going to be allowed
back here.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Maybe cheese curts in the car.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Honey, Look what I brought home. I got a cheese
curts from the gas station. Okay, we're leaving.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I got dinner tonight.
Well, this story actually comes to us from London by
way of Chicago. Joshua Michaels, a twenty six year old
guy from Chicago, had been studying filmmaking at Goldsmith's University
of London, describes himself as a cinematographer, photographer, drone pilot,
and his LinkedIn page he had gotten his undergraduate degree
(00:22):
in cinematography and film production from DePaul University a few
years ago.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I feel like the title drone pilot just reeks of
I have disposable income, I have disposable money.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm a drone pilot.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, I can spend hours piloting a drone because I
don't have to work in those hours.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I think it's one of those up and coming things
that probably we I mean, there are people who make
all kinds of money piloting drone for for what our companies,
real estate companies. Well, it's just it's different than what
It's different than what it was ten year years ago.
Perhaps at least that's what he wants us to think
(01:03):
it is. So his he got into a relationship with
Gi Wang, and there was something particular about g that
she was a self confessed germophobe.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Ah, she developed a rash.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
At one point and blamed it on Josh, suggesting he
had given her an STD.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
These two had been seeing each other for only six
months and had slept together only once in that time.
Because of her high standards of cleanliness, I've known people
like this, one person like this who was such a
germophobe that this person did not want to have sex
because this person did not want any sort of.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Exchange.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, you don't have to tell me.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I don't know a lot. I didn't ask a lot
of follow ups.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yeah, I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
She would disinfect his sofa before she sat on it.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
That would be difficult to date someone like that.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
She would clean his apartment when she was over to
visit him, and when they did agree to do the deed,
she sent him instructions on how to come into the apartment,
how to wash himself, how to apply a prophylactic device
(02:41):
before he even entered the boudoir where she would be waiting.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
She also insisted.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Put the sexy into this, doesn't She.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
That this guy show her his test results before they
had sex, but after developing a rash, she demanded that
he'd take another test.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And he refused, so she accused him of ruining her life. Yes,
threatened to go to the university. What are you gonna say,
This guy's got an STD and he's passing it.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
He didn't follow the instructions.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
They argue that because she wanted a serious relationship and
she was frustrated he wasn't making more time with her.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Oh man, he's got to take all the time to
get right now.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
He's got to do a silkwood scrub before he gets
on in there. On the day of the murder, he
had gone to her apartment to make a charcuterie board
to console her. Wait just a dang minute, there is
not one germophobe in the history of germophobes that wants
a sharcutery board.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
There is no way in.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Hell if I'm having you silkwood.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Scrub your ass before you have any sexy time with me,
that I'm going to be impressed with a shark couterie board.
Knowing you've touched all of those things. They've just been
sitting there letting the air touch them and all the
particles in the air. I mean, literally, what a nightmare
for a germophobe. Is the charcuterie board.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Well, that may have been why the argument broke out.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Among other things, he stabbed her in the face twice
and choked her before he left her home. Now he
had said that she went after him originally.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I bet I bet she saw that charcuterie board and
she was like, oh, hell no, you brought all.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Those germs in here. You just have that meat sweat
in the open. And I bet you I'd call I'd
say self defense.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And you know what, there's not a jury in this
land that would not forgive him for any sort of murder.
He made her this beautiful selection of meats and cheeses,
and through her own faults, she saw that as an
attack on her and her lack of germs, and she
went after him, and he defended himself.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I would vote not guilty.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I will say this.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
The prosecutors said she had a shot at living if
he had called the ambulance. Okay, But but instead he
called his dad while she was dying. Yeah, asking for
an attorney.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well, yeah, I mean I can see where that he
would have questions of.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And you know what's worse, he tells.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
The police when they show up.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, Well, I know how this looks Yeah, he said,
it's not what it seems.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
But this is a.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Pretty strong defense. I think he's got a pretty strong defense.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, he's been found guilty. Oh yeah, he has not
yet been sentenced in London. But oh, this is in London.
It's not in America. I was treating this as if
it was in America. In America, we charcuterie goes a
long way.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, we don't turn down perfectly slights, delicious.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Meats and cheeses.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
You know, a follow up to hers.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Kind to our germophobes when they shun our meats.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Follow it to a long ago true Crime Tuesday story.
But a guy who faked his own death. This is
probably the best way it could have worked out.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
My husband and I have this understanding with each other
where we say to each other, just divorce me, don't
kill me, because how often do you watch a dateline
or twenty twenty or anything in Keith Morrison vehicle and
they could have just gotten a divorce. Yeah, why do
you have to kill the other person, Just get a divorce.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
You guys talk about this, Yes, you.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And your wife have never had the conversation of if
you want to leave me, just get a divorce.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Don't kill me.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Oh, with the amount of murder that goes on in relationships,
I think it's something that should be addressed.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I'll bring it up this afternoon. I'm sure that it
will be received very warm. Honey. I was thinking, honey.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I was thinking today at work, who are you liking
on Instagram? And then there's this If you want to
kill me, just divorce me.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
A few years ago, we told you the story about
Ryan Borgwart. He is a guy from Wisconsin who faked
his own death so he could leave his wife of
twenty two.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Years, father of three, and they're in their mid forties,
and apparently he wanted to leave the country, leave his
family behind, so he could be with his lover. At first,
the disappearance, when we covered I think we disappeared. We
covered it disappearing, father of three and Wisconsin, and it
was weird because it was Wisconsin and the kayaking and
(07:41):
all of the things, and it was three young kids.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And did he drowned and this is all very weird.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yes, the sudden disappearance treated as a possible drowning. But
they searched and they searched, and they searched for fifty
eight days to the tune of thirty thousand dollars, and
those odd clues started to rear their heads, didn't they.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, I mean originally he'd flipped his kayak, he dumped
his phone, he put everything into the water, but he
had also packed an inflatable boat and then e biked
his way to Madison, Wisconsin. Overnight he crossed into the border.
Sorry crossed over the border into Canada and was said
(08:21):
to be in communication with this Russian mistress, Katya, mother
of two. He eventually got a new passport, He got
a three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars life insurance
policy BEFO, before fleeing to Georgia, the Soviet Georgia, not
the Atlanta Georgia.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
They say you spent four months there before returning to
America after investigators convinced him to do so.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And I'm gonna call bs on that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I think he spent four months with Katia and was like,
you know what, I don't like her either. This isn't
the grass isn't greener. I gotta get the hell away
from this woman. She's Russian and she's crazy. Where's America at?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
He turned himself in charged with obstruction. Two days after
he got home, Emily filed for divorce. Because that's a
hard sell a guy.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
She didn't kill him, She filed for divorce.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
A guy from Wisconsin hooking up with a Russian woman.
That is quite a one eighty. Like you're a guy
from the Midwest. You like your brats, you like your beer,
you like your Packers football, and suddenly you're involved with
a Russian and she's slinging vodka, and it's cold, and
she never smiles. It's colder than Wisconsin cold. It's Russia cold.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Now. A tabloid reached out.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Can't cook.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
If you can't cook for a Wisconsin man, you're screwed.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
You're as door dash.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
A tabloid reached out to Katya, and again, this is
the Russian mom that he left his wife for. She
said that she told officers that she's probably skinny.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Ryan Borgwart, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Borgwart was just a friend who had been helping her
with problem before, asking why they contacted her. After a
few weeks of communication, she eventually put them in touch
with borg Wart, saying, I will talk to Ryan so
that he comes back sooner. I beg you please help
him so that he does not have many problems with
the law, and so that they tried to keep his passport,
(10:19):
and she says, maybe they will listen to your word.
He was always honest with you in touch. No one
knows how hard it is for him now, though he
tries not to show it. He explained that they had
met online last year and she initially said that she
was from Ukraine, that they quickly became close, that they
had identical personalities. It took about a month.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
She said, yeah, she was who you wanted her to be,
because she wanted your American dollars.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
When he finally turned himself in, he revealed that he
deliberately flipped his kayak, dumped his phone and his stuff
in the water before he paddled to safety on an
inflatable boat, and then rode that ee bike into Madison overnight.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I think he got hungry, do you think so?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
You don't think Georgia has a lot of great food
down there.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I don't think Russian slash Ukrainian women are I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
She looks pretty young and thin. When these pictures that
I'm pulling up, you can't have. You can't have that
with a guy from Wisconsin. You got to give him
his meats.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
He only had to cheese curds. He only had to
serve eighty nine days in jail. The state judge did
order him to pay the costs of the search. If
you remember, it cost about thirty grand to look for
him after they thought that his kayak had gone down
with him in it on Green Lake there in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I was on that road trip to Utah. I stopped
at a lot of Maverick gas stations. You buy cheese
curds there. They had different flavored cheese curds in the car. Really,
I mean, why not?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I guess that's I've never thought of that. We're doing
real work here today. Why not. I got a lot
of topics to bring up with my wife when I
get home.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Say please don't. Yeah, you're not going to be allowed
back here.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Maybe cheese curts in the car.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Honey, Look what I brought home. I got a cheese
curts from the gas station. Okay, we're leaving.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I got dinner tonight.
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The Brothers Ortiz is the story of two brothers–both successful, but in very different ways. Gabe Ortiz becomes a third-highest ranking officer in all of Texas while his younger brother Larry climbs the ranks in Puro Tango Blast, a notorious Texas Prison gang. Gabe doesn’t know all the details of his brother’s nefarious dealings, and he’s made a point not to ask, to protect their relationship. But when Larry is murdered during a home invasion in a rented beach house, Gabe has no choice but to look into what happened that night. To solve Larry’s murder, Gabe, and the whole Ortiz family, must ask each other tough questions.