April 29, 2025 • 18 mins
ICYMI: ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – The return of ‘Beyond the Box Score’ with regular guest contributor Jackie Rae, host of ‘The Jackie Rae Show,’ weighing in on the latest in the Shannon Sharpe sexual assault allegations AND Philadelphia Eagles QB Jalen Hurts decision to skip the teams visit to the White House - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (00:05):
It's Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We're alive everywhere in the iHeartRadio app and YouTube and
joining us now in the studio. We've missed her. She's
been gone away handling some family business. Jackie Ray, is
good to see you. Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It's good to be back. It's good to see you too.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
A lot has happened since you were gone. Yes, let's
bring up Jackuarray on the camera. Let's get into Shannon
Sharp if we must. When and I are both Shannon
Sharp fans of what he does. Yes, but there has
been something missing in my commentary about Shannon Sharp specifically.
I don't want to reduce you to this, but I
think it's essential to have this a female perspective on
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Shannon Sharp, what he may have alleged, what has been
alleged that he has done, and how we should look
upon it.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Well, Like you said, I am a Shannon Sharp fan. However,
I'm not a fan of men who act like Shannon Sharp,
if that makes more sense. I'm more a fan of
people who have a level of accountability, not I don't
want to call it toxic masculinity, as much as I
want to call it. There's a reason why men in
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Shannon Sharp's age group go after women that are nineteen.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Speak on it. Let's don't run past that sunk.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
In my opinion, I think men who are in their fifties,
mid fifties, sixties, whatever, they go after young women who
are in their nineteen because they can legally do that.
So if they could legally get away with going younger,
they would go younger, which makes you a pedophile.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And so for me, when you say stuff like you
don't like and then Shannon Sharp is on record saying this,
when you say stuff like, oh, these older women they
like to boast their independence where younger women don't. Well,
it's hard to boast independence when you live at home
with your parents. It's hard to boast independence when you're
still in college. What you're saying is is you want
somebody that you can manipulate financial and probably mentally, because
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you can. And when we heard the recording of him
saying to her, she she doesn't want to go she
wants to go out because she doesn't want to get
choked out, and he says, well, who says I won't
choke you out in public? There's a reason why you
are dating a specific type of woman.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
She would.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You're saying that he wouldn't be able to say that
to a forty five year old woman.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
He could, but it would probably come with some consequences.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
You know what I mean, because if you don't choke
me out in public, we might be tussling.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
So you know you are going to hit him as
hard as you can.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yes, So it's a different level of And you know
a lot of men say this that when women, you know,
boast their independence, it's saying they don't need a man.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I don't need a man who wants to choke me
out in public. There's a difference.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And so I think Shannon Sharp has kind of centered
himself in this in this place where he feels like
he has to be the one who dominates the situation
in every aspect financially, physically, and the best way to
do that is with somebody. Because what kind of bills
could you have at nineteen so that he can't handle exactly, So,
when you're saying, oh, I can take care of this person, okay,
(03:06):
When you get a woman who's in her thirties and
you're talking about you can take care of her, that's
a bigger financial responsibility. So just say that you don't
want to have to be financially obligated to a woman
who is grown up and can take care of herself.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Now, if you would say that, I would respect him
for it. Here's the next question. I believe that his
career and brand are circling the dream. I've listened very
closely to what Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Smith, someone who brought him to ESPN, has been saying,
and he's been, in my estimation, creating daylight between him
and Shannon Sharp to not get any of the Shannon
Sharp stink on him. Where do you think this leads
regardless of the lawsuits?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I mean, so Shannon kind of boasted when he had
I forget who it was on his show? Was it
Kat Williams that made him more money than he said
he had ever made before. So we've really kind of
dived into this Uncle Shay Shay so he has a
platform beyond e ESPN.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
So and also Nightcap with.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And that one's always fun because neither one of them
have a lick of sense on that show, so it's
fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It's very lighthearted.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So I don't think you can really cancel him per se,
because I do think we've seen this with Deshaun Watson.
There is a group a demographic of people who will say,
Deshaun Watson Cleveland Browns who had a same attorney. By
the way, Tony Buzzby kind of brought those women about
to say that, you know, Deshaun Watson had sexually harassed them.
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So there is going to be a demographic of people
that say, well, this is consensual, full stop, and there's
nothing to talk about. This woman is just trying to
get a financial payout. So I don't think that this
is going to ruin his career. It might ruin his
time with ESPN, but I don't think it ruins his career.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Does this make him unhirable by a network like the
NFL network or some other legitimate broadcasting or cable YEP outlet.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
That's a good question because every outlet is suffering in
some way. Every outlet is losing viewership in some way.
So then it becomes a question of do we get
an influx of viewers because we've presented this shock value.
So I think you just really have to kind of
read the room. If he beats the case, if he
doesn't settle, if he goes to court, that kind of thing,
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would public perception change. I still think he has a shot.
Now it has changed my perception of him. But then
now we're having the debate with the R Kelly like,
can you still listen to his music but hate what
he did as a person, And so now you'll have
that debate. Can we still appreciate him to be a
great commentary he brings a lot of humor, or do
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we just resign him to this moment in time? And
I don't think we would would ever do that with Shannon.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
We when I say we, the media has speculated on
other people, be it Ditty or Kelly, for any number
of reasons. I am going to intentionally speculate in the
sense of broaching a possibility which I've not heard elsewhere. Okay,
and I think it's fair to bring it up for
those who don't know. Shannon Sharp is an NFL Hall
of Famer. He is, he played a number of years
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in the NFL. I'm from Denver, so we've big fans. Okay,
has there been any discussion to your knowledge of whether
there also might be a variable of CTE in this,
and I mentioned that if only because CTE has been
known to create violent impulses and a switch in a
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person's personality where they can be cool one moment and
all of a sudden they can be almost murderous violent.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Listen if there isn't, there's been no discussions of that
to my knowledge, but if I was his attorney, I
definitely would explore that, especially since you can't properly diagno
cte until death.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So we do know that.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You know, in the case of Junior, say how it
resulted in him taking his own site.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
So it does manifest itself in different ways. We've seen
people act violently, We've seen people go into great depressions.
There's no way to really know how someone's going to
react to that, And so if I was his attorney,
I would lean into that, and I would lean in
and say, you know what, he realizes now his behavior
was wrong. He's going to get the help that he
needs because that's what people really want. They want accountability,
(07:16):
So that's what I would lean into.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's kind of hard to say you want accountability, we're
up until this point you've been like, no, not only
he's has he denied everything, He's going to the offensive
to bash the character of the accuser releasing the text messages.
You know, it seems like I don't know if you
can put that toothpaste back in the tooth.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
See.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Now, I go both ways on that, because when you
when you've been accused of something, if you believe you're right. Now,
whether I believe he's right is irrelevant. But if he
believes he's right, he definitely should have released the text
messages because in his mind he feels that that's going
to prove his innocence.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
To me, it made him look far more guilty.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Okay, let me jump in there. But in releasing those
text messages, which were very inflammatory, inflammatory, he also released
the name of the Jane Doe, which of who I'm
not repeating here.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Has he set himself up?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I know we're not legal scholars, but I wonder I
would wonder whether he set himself up for a slam
dunk defamation case.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Well, the best defense against defamation is the truth, and
so from everything we've seen, it was consensual. So we
would have to astart as he's as far as what
he's saying. But even she has said, I've I read
a report the other day that said, yes, the relationship
was consensual. It's not that she's disputing that, she's disputing
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the level of violence that happened to her.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And also she's disputing, yes, the relationship was consensual, just
not every act within the relationship was consensual.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Right, So it's that old saying she said yes one
hundred times. If she said no one time and you
acted on that anyway, then that's a problem. But then
it's always going to come down to where's the proof
in that. Did she go to the police immediately? Who
did she talk to about this? And that's when it
becomes he said, she said, And then it just becomes
impossible to approve.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Until until other receipts may pop up because from what
we understand, they recorded a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Well, we we saw his Instagram live, so we know
he has no problems.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Yeah, the camera being OneD and his concept.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Of of consent might be different than hers.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yes, and then why isn't there a discussion about that?
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Oh it's coming.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
No, I mean this and this is for the young
men out there. There should always be a constant conversation
about consent. Consent isn't a one time conversation. It is
an ongoing conversation.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Throughout the act, throughout the relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Because just because she in this case says yes to
the act in a general sense, does I mean that
she approves everything that he wants to do during that act?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And don't don't try to flip me up. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Don't try to switch me up. I don't try to
do any of that because if i've you don't know.
And that's but that's also what builds true intimacy is
being honest and open about your feelings the entire time.
And so for me, it very much gives that that
was not his intention in this relationship. His intention in
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this relationship wasn't to build a true, honest and intimate relationship.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It was to be what.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
It was He's about to power and dominant.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Because he saw her in a specific light.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And so that's that's the box he put her in,
and that's where he expected her to stay.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
But she isn't, and that's not what he was expecting.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
When we come back, we have to talk about Jalen Hurts,
the Superstar in Super Bowl MVP, quarterback of the Super
Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles. They visited the White House today.
We had talked about this months in advance. We knew
this just because the organization said we enthusiastically da da
d dada.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
But coming to the White House doesn't mean that everyone
was on board.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Sheila Hurt said he had a scheduling conflict or something
like that. Yep, let's talk about that and the implicit
politics of any White House visit once again when we
come back.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
It's Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Jacki Ray joins me on YouTube and also the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Can't Kelly.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's Later with Mo Kelly alive everywhere on the iHeartRadio app,
and if you're in the chat with us on YouTube,
let's be clear. We can disagree, disagree, but we will
not be disrespectful to one another or even a guest
on this show, So let's keep it on topic. I
love the spirited nature of the chat, but sometimes some
people go too far. Jackie Ray, you've been joining us
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as customary with Beyond the box Score. We had talked
about this subject in a general sense, about sports and
politics and the politics of visiting the White House. I
was of the opinion we need to dead that tradition
because we are not in a place where it can
be viewed through the lens of sports.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Celebration.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We had Philadelphia Eagles running back Saquon Barkley go golfing,
I think, with President Trump and fly back with him
on Air Force One.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
He received a lot of criticism for that.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Jalen Hurts, the Super Bowl quarterback in MVP, did not
attend the White House celebration today. He was asked incessantly
in the weeks leading up to this are you going
to go? He didn't answer, and then he didn't show up.
The public reason he gave was a scheduling conflict or
something something something.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Why are we still doing this?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
There's no logical reason why you still have teams come
to the White House. And I think it's funny that
there is a specific demographic of people who will be
up in arms that Jalen didn't go. But I would
bet my last dollar that those are the same people
that would say we need to keep politics out out
of sports. And so you're speaking with a double mind,
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and you're a hypocrite flat out. And so if we're
going to keep politics out of sports, then guess what
you don't do. You don't go to the biggest political
office in the country, and because there is whether you
support that person or not, there is an image that
you do. And so, regardless of what people say, Jalen
did the right thing because the politics that are coming
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from the White House are not in favor of or
in support of anyone who looks like Jalen and so
I think he did the right thing.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
What if Jalen Hurts were to say, look, I'm an
American too, there are some issues that I have with
this president, either personally or politically or his policy. How
do you think people would respond to him if he
just said, look, I don't want to get into the specifics,
but we have a level of disagreement and I don't
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want to send them message.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Then I think the hypocrites would come out in droves
and they would call him anti American, and they would
call him the place.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I've already seen the message.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
So we know.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
So there was no win in this. There's no win
in saying, hey, I'm not against my colleagues who want
to go, but I'm not going because this man does
not aligned with my viewpoint. Then you're going to be
anti American and every other term they can think of.
There's no win in not supporting someone who the majority
of people who have leaned into for reasons that are
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to me not logical. So when you have a group
of people that are operating without logic, then you can't
expect a logical response to a man who said, I'm
not going to win if I say something, so I'm
just not going to say anything.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But here's the other side. I've said it before and
I need to reiterate it. If we say take the
politics out of sports, what is it? What is there
then to say when the president inserts himself into sports,
commenting on things that are going on in sports, and
that's separate and distinct from let's say, going to a
UFC bout going to NASCAR or showing up at the
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Super Bowl. President Trump specifically has had things to say
about people in sports, issues in sports, and all also
had something to say about well halftime, right, super Well halftime?
Speaker 5 (15:03):
You know I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
The only way you can get past this is to
just dead the tradition all together, and I think it
would be better for all involved, including President Trump, because
then we don't I get turned.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
If you exalt yourself as king and if you make
a fake Time magazine cover hailing yourself as king, do
you walk in logic or do you walk and make
believe you? And Alice is kicking it in Wonderland. That's
what we're dealing with right now. So to have a
level of expectation for him to operate with the same
(15:37):
standards that he is intentionally holding other people to is
never going to happen because it's not required of him
by his constituents and that's not how he sees himself.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It's never going to happen.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Okay, So let's then move forward with that assumption that
politics is going to remain in sports. But if it's
going to remain in sports, let's be clear that there
are two entities put the politics in the sports. We
just can't blame the athletes. We can't just say, hey,
we got to keep politics out of sports. Athletes should
have nothing to say about politics, and at the same
(16:10):
time disregard the president who was also making political statements
about sports.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
I just want it one way or the other.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
However, this is always going to be the hill that
I'm going to die on. Politics affect people. Athletes are people.
It's going to be impossible to truly Now you can
have an atmosphere where you can set rules and say, hey,
we're not going to talk about politics while the season
is going on. You cannot publicly on social media or
anything like that support anything political, whether that's policies that
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are being passed or politicians. You could do something like that,
but then you should also take the national anthem out
of every single game, which they probably should do anyway,
because for those of you who don't read and don't know,
the reason why the national anthem was inserted into sporting
events and the NFL specifically, was because there were low
recruitment efforts and they wanted to use the NFL, which
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they felt was the biggest stage to boost recruitment into
military institutions. It had nothing to do with patriarchy. It
had everything to do within listening.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Let me just tell you there was a big scandal
controversy what they call paid patriotism, where the federal government
was paying the NFL yes to have the flag of
the national anthem probably featured at every single game, especially
since nine to eleven to boost recruitment.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Yeah, it's capital it's not patriotism, it's capitalism.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So let's get it right.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
So while you're saying, oh, that's not patriarchy, then you
need to really call your congressman and say, hey, we
need to take this out of sports entirely, because you
cannot say that athletes should keep politics out of sports
when you are demanding and will name call and just
act a complete full when they don't go to the
White House, you're a hypocrite.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It's later with Mo Kelly. She's Jackie Ray, Jackie Ray.
How can they contact you?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I feel like some of y'all got something to say
to me, and trust me, Yeah, the only reason I'm
not saying it back in social media right now, on
YouTube right now is because we're talking. But trust me,
when I leave this room, I'm gonna have this moment
because my clapback game is strong. But if you want
to get at me, my at is Jackie Ray, j
A C K I E R A E t V.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I hope they're ready because if you're not ready, it's
gonna be pain for you.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Some of y'all need it, so it's good.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's good you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on
demand from kf I a M six forty
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (00:05):
It's Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We're alive everywhere in the iHeartRadio app and YouTube and
joining us now in the studio. We've missed her. She's
been gone away handling some family business. Jackie Ray, is
good to see you. Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It's good to be back. It's good to see you too.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
A lot has happened since you were gone. Yes, let's
bring up Jackuarray on the camera. Let's get into Shannon
Sharp if we must. When and I are both Shannon
Sharp fans of what he does. Yes, but there has
been something missing in my commentary about Shannon Sharp specifically.
I don't want to reduce you to this, but I
think it's essential to have this a female perspective on
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Shannon Sharp, what he may have alleged, what has been
alleged that he has done, and how we should look
upon it.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Well, Like you said, I am a Shannon Sharp fan. However,
I'm not a fan of men who act like Shannon Sharp,
if that makes more sense. I'm more a fan of
people who have a level of accountability, not I don't
want to call it toxic masculinity, as much as I
want to call it. There's a reason why men in
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Shannon Sharp's age group go after women that are nineteen.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Speak on it. Let's don't run past that sunk.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
In my opinion, I think men who are in their fifties,
mid fifties, sixties, whatever, they go after young women who
are in their nineteen because they can legally do that.
So if they could legally get away with going younger,
they would go younger, which makes you a pedophile.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And so for me, when you say stuff like you
don't like and then Shannon Sharp is on record saying this,
when you say stuff like, oh, these older women they
like to boast their independence where younger women don't. Well,
it's hard to boast independence when you live at home
with your parents. It's hard to boast independence when you're
still in college. What you're saying is is you want
somebody that you can manipulate financial and probably mentally, because
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you can. And when we heard the recording of him
saying to her, she she doesn't want to go she
wants to go out because she doesn't want to get
choked out, and he says, well, who says I won't
choke you out in public? There's a reason why you
are dating a specific type of woman.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
She would.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You're saying that he wouldn't be able to say that
to a forty five year old woman.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
He could, but it would probably come with some consequences.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
You know what I mean, because if you don't choke
me out in public, we might be tussling.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
So you know you are going to hit him as
hard as you can.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yes, So it's a different level of And you know
a lot of men say this that when women, you know,
boast their independence, it's saying they don't need a man.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I don't need a man who wants to choke me
out in public. There's a difference.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And so I think Shannon Sharp has kind of centered
himself in this in this place where he feels like
he has to be the one who dominates the situation
in every aspect financially, physically, and the best way to
do that is with somebody. Because what kind of bills
could you have at nineteen so that he can't handle exactly, So,
when you're saying, oh, I can take care of this person, okay,
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When you get a woman who's in her thirties and
you're talking about you can take care of her, that's
a bigger financial responsibility. So just say that you don't
want to have to be financially obligated to a woman
who is grown up and can take care of herself.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Now, if you would say that, I would respect him
for it. Here's the next question. I believe that his
career and brand are circling the dream. I've listened very
closely to what Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Smith, someone who brought him to ESPN, has been saying,
and he's been, in my estimation, creating daylight between him
and Shannon Sharp to not get any of the Shannon
Sharp stink on him. Where do you think this leads
regardless of the lawsuits?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I mean, so Shannon kind of boasted when he had
I forget who it was on his show? Was it
Kat Williams that made him more money than he said
he had ever made before. So we've really kind of
dived into this Uncle Shay Shay so he has a
platform beyond e ESPN.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
So and also Nightcap with.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And that one's always fun because neither one of them
have a lick of sense on that show, so it's
fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It's very lighthearted.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So I don't think you can really cancel him per se,
because I do think we've seen this with Deshaun Watson.
There is a group a demographic of people who will say,
Deshaun Watson Cleveland Browns who had a same attorney. By
the way, Tony Buzzby kind of brought those women about
to say that, you know, Deshaun Watson had sexually harassed them.
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So there is going to be a demographic of people
that say, well, this is consensual, full stop, and there's
nothing to talk about. This woman is just trying to
get a financial payout. So I don't think that this
is going to ruin his career. It might ruin his
time with ESPN, but I don't think it ruins his career.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Does this make him unhirable by a network like the
NFL network or some other legitimate broadcasting or cable YEP outlet.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
That's a good question because every outlet is suffering in
some way. Every outlet is losing viewership in some way.
So then it becomes a question of do we get
an influx of viewers because we've presented this shock value.
So I think you just really have to kind of
read the room. If he beats the case, if he
doesn't settle, if he goes to court, that kind of thing,
(05:24):
would public perception change. I still think he has a shot.
Now it has changed my perception of him. But then
now we're having the debate with the R Kelly like,
can you still listen to his music but hate what
he did as a person, And so now you'll have
that debate. Can we still appreciate him to be a
great commentary he brings a lot of humor, or do
(05:44):
we just resign him to this moment in time? And
I don't think we would would ever do that with Shannon.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
We when I say we, the media has speculated on
other people, be it Ditty or Kelly, for any number
of reasons. I am going to intentionally speculate in the
sense of broaching a possibility which I've not heard elsewhere. Okay,
and I think it's fair to bring it up for
those who don't know. Shannon Sharp is an NFL Hall
of Famer. He is, he played a number of years
(06:11):
in the NFL. I'm from Denver, so we've big fans. Okay,
has there been any discussion to your knowledge of whether
there also might be a variable of CTE in this,
and I mentioned that if only because CTE has been
known to create violent impulses and a switch in a
(06:32):
person's personality where they can be cool one moment and
all of a sudden they can be almost murderous violent.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Listen if there isn't, there's been no discussions of that
to my knowledge, but if I was his attorney, I
definitely would explore that, especially since you can't properly diagno
cte until death.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So we do know that.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You know, in the case of Junior, say how it
resulted in him taking his own site.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
So it does manifest itself in different ways. We've seen
people act violently, We've seen people go into great depressions.
There's no way to really know how someone's going to
react to that, And so if I was his attorney,
I would lean into that, and I would lean in
and say, you know what, he realizes now his behavior
was wrong. He's going to get the help that he
needs because that's what people really want. They want accountability,
(07:16):
So that's what I would lean into.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's kind of hard to say you want accountability, we're
up until this point you've been like, no, not only
he's has he denied everything, He's going to the offensive
to bash the character of the accuser releasing the text messages.
You know, it seems like I don't know if you
can put that toothpaste back in the tooth.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
See.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Now, I go both ways on that, because when you
when you've been accused of something, if you believe you're right. Now,
whether I believe he's right is irrelevant. But if he
believes he's right, he definitely should have released the text
messages because in his mind he feels that that's going
to prove his innocence.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
To me, it made him look far more guilty.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Okay, let me jump in there. But in releasing those
text messages, which were very inflammatory, inflammatory, he also released
the name of the Jane Doe, which of who I'm
not repeating here.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Has he set himself up?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I know we're not legal scholars, but I wonder I
would wonder whether he set himself up for a slam
dunk defamation case.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Well, the best defense against defamation is the truth, and
so from everything we've seen, it was consensual. So we
would have to astart as he's as far as what
he's saying. But even she has said, I've I read
a report the other day that said, yes, the relationship
was consensual. It's not that she's disputing that, she's disputing
(08:37):
the level of violence that happened to her.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And also she's disputing, yes, the relationship was consensual, just
not every act within the relationship was consensual.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Right, So it's that old saying she said yes one
hundred times. If she said no one time and you
acted on that anyway, then that's a problem. But then
it's always going to come down to where's the proof
in that. Did she go to the police immediately? Who
did she talk to about this? And that's when it
becomes he said, she said, And then it just becomes
impossible to approve.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Until until other receipts may pop up because from what
we understand, they recorded a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Well, we we saw his Instagram live, so we know
he has no problems.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Yeah, the camera being OneD and his concept.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Of of consent might be different than hers.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yes, and then why isn't there a discussion about that?
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Oh it's coming.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
No, I mean this and this is for the young
men out there. There should always be a constant conversation
about consent. Consent isn't a one time conversation. It is
an ongoing conversation.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Throughout the act, throughout the relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Because just because she in this case says yes to
the act in a general sense, does I mean that
she approves everything that he wants to do during that act?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And don't don't try to flip me up. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Don't try to switch me up. I don't try to
do any of that because if i've you don't know.
And that's but that's also what builds true intimacy is
being honest and open about your feelings the entire time.
And so for me, it very much gives that that
was not his intention in this relationship. His intention in
(10:16):
this relationship wasn't to build a true, honest and intimate relationship.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It was to be what.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
It was He's about to power and dominant.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Because he saw her in a specific light.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And so that's that's the box he put her in,
and that's where he expected her to stay.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
But she isn't, and that's not what he was expecting.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
When we come back, we have to talk about Jalen Hurts,
the Superstar in Super Bowl MVP, quarterback of the Super
Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles. They visited the White House today.
We had talked about this months in advance. We knew
this just because the organization said we enthusiastically da da
d dada.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
But coming to the White House doesn't mean that everyone
was on board.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Sheila Hurt said he had a scheduling conflict or something
like that. Yep, let's talk about that and the implicit
politics of any White House visit once again when we
come back.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
It's Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Jacki Ray joins me on YouTube and also the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Can't Kelly.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's Later with Mo Kelly alive everywhere on the iHeartRadio app,
and if you're in the chat with us on YouTube,
let's be clear. We can disagree, disagree, but we will
not be disrespectful to one another or even a guest
on this show, So let's keep it on topic. I
love the spirited nature of the chat, but sometimes some
people go too far. Jackie Ray, you've been joining us
(11:39):
as customary with Beyond the box Score. We had talked
about this subject in a general sense, about sports and
politics and the politics of visiting the White House. I
was of the opinion we need to dead that tradition
because we are not in a place where it can
be viewed through the lens of sports.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Celebration.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We had Philadelphia Eagles running back Saquon Barkley go golfing,
I think, with President Trump and fly back with him
on Air Force One.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
He received a lot of criticism for that.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Jalen Hurts, the Super Bowl quarterback in MVP, did not
attend the White House celebration today. He was asked incessantly
in the weeks leading up to this are you going
to go? He didn't answer, and then he didn't show up.
The public reason he gave was a scheduling conflict or
something something something.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Why are we still doing this?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
There's no logical reason why you still have teams come
to the White House. And I think it's funny that
there is a specific demographic of people who will be
up in arms that Jalen didn't go. But I would
bet my last dollar that those are the same people
that would say we need to keep politics out out
of sports. And so you're speaking with a double mind,
(12:56):
and you're a hypocrite flat out. And so if we're
going to keep politics out of sports, then guess what
you don't do. You don't go to the biggest political
office in the country, and because there is whether you
support that person or not, there is an image that
you do. And so, regardless of what people say, Jalen
did the right thing because the politics that are coming
(13:18):
from the White House are not in favor of or
in support of anyone who looks like Jalen and so
I think he did the right thing.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
What if Jalen Hurts were to say, look, I'm an
American too, there are some issues that I have with
this president, either personally or politically or his policy. How
do you think people would respond to him if he
just said, look, I don't want to get into the specifics,
but we have a level of disagreement and I don't
(13:46):
want to send them message.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Then I think the hypocrites would come out in droves
and they would call him anti American, and they would
call him the place.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I've already seen the message.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
So we know.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
So there was no win in this. There's no win
in saying, hey, I'm not against my colleagues who want
to go, but I'm not going because this man does
not aligned with my viewpoint. Then you're going to be
anti American and every other term they can think of.
There's no win in not supporting someone who the majority
of people who have leaned into for reasons that are
(14:17):
to me not logical. So when you have a group
of people that are operating without logic, then you can't
expect a logical response to a man who said, I'm
not going to win if I say something, so I'm
just not going to say anything.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But here's the other side. I've said it before and
I need to reiterate it. If we say take the
politics out of sports, what is it? What is there
then to say when the president inserts himself into sports,
commenting on things that are going on in sports, and
that's separate and distinct from let's say, going to a
UFC bout going to NASCAR or showing up at the
(14:50):
Super Bowl. President Trump specifically has had things to say
about people in sports, issues in sports, and all also
had something to say about well halftime, right, super Well halftime?
Speaker 5 (15:03):
You know I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
The only way you can get past this is to
just dead the tradition all together, and I think it
would be better for all involved, including President Trump, because
then we don't I get turned.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
If you exalt yourself as king and if you make
a fake Time magazine cover hailing yourself as king, do
you walk in logic or do you walk and make
believe you? And Alice is kicking it in Wonderland. That's
what we're dealing with right now. So to have a
level of expectation for him to operate with the same
(15:37):
standards that he is intentionally holding other people to is
never going to happen because it's not required of him
by his constituents and that's not how he sees himself.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It's never going to happen.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Okay, So let's then move forward with that assumption that
politics is going to remain in sports. But if it's
going to remain in sports, let's be clear that there
are two entities put the politics in the sports. We
just can't blame the athletes. We can't just say, hey,
we got to keep politics out of sports. Athletes should
have nothing to say about politics, and at the same
(16:10):
time disregard the president who was also making political statements
about sports.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
I just want it one way or the other.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
However, this is always going to be the hill that
I'm going to die on. Politics affect people. Athletes are people.
It's going to be impossible to truly Now you can
have an atmosphere where you can set rules and say, hey,
we're not going to talk about politics while the season
is going on. You cannot publicly on social media or
anything like that support anything political, whether that's policies that
(16:42):
are being passed or politicians. You could do something like that,
but then you should also take the national anthem out
of every single game, which they probably should do anyway,
because for those of you who don't read and don't know,
the reason why the national anthem was inserted into sporting
events and the NFL specifically, was because there were low
recruitment efforts and they wanted to use the NFL, which
(17:03):
they felt was the biggest stage to boost recruitment into
military institutions. It had nothing to do with patriarchy. It
had everything to do within listening.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Let me just tell you there was a big scandal
controversy what they call paid patriotism, where the federal government
was paying the NFL yes to have the flag of
the national anthem probably featured at every single game, especially
since nine to eleven to boost recruitment.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Yeah, it's capital it's not patriotism, it's capitalism.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So let's get it right.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
So while you're saying, oh, that's not patriarchy, then you
need to really call your congressman and say, hey, we
need to take this out of sports entirely, because you
cannot say that athletes should keep politics out of sports
when you are demanding and will name call and just
act a complete full when they don't go to the
White House, you're a hypocrite.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It's later with Mo Kelly. She's Jackie Ray, Jackie Ray.
How can they contact you?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I feel like some of y'all got something to say
to me, and trust me, Yeah, the only reason I'm
not saying it back in social media right now, on
YouTube right now is because we're talking. But trust me,
when I leave this room, I'm gonna have this moment
because my clapback game is strong. But if you want
to get at me, my at is Jackie Ray, j
A C K I E R A E t V.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I hope they're ready because if you're not ready, it's
gonna be pain for you.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Some of y'all need it, so it's good.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's good you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on
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