August 12, 2025 • 16 mins
ICYMI: ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – A look ‘Beyond the Box Score’ with regular guest contributor Jackie Rae; host of ‘The Jackie Rae Show,’ weighing in on Paramount’s $7.7 Billion deal for exclusive right to all UFC events in the U.S. & NFL hopeful Shedeur Sanders still ranking 4th on Browns' on the QB depth chart - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI A six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yes Later with Mo Kelly. Let's go be on the
box Score with Jackie Ray. Jackie Ray, how are you
this evening?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I'm great. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm doing well. I don't choose the news. Why I
choose the news. I can't create the news, and sometimes
news happens for reasons I don't quite understand. Last week
we started talking about this phenomena. Is this as if
it was like a one off or you know, not
a frequent event where people were throwing sex toys on
(00:32):
the court right which could have injured a player, which
could have been very dangerous in a general sense. And
I thought it was just going to die down, And
then we later found out during the week. We didn't
get a chance to find out, but it was I
don't know, some tech bros or some crypto bros bros yep,
I guess, trying to be funny or something.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It worked.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
That cryptocurrency that they created is taking off, So it worked,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But then they kept doing it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Since that time, two people have been arrested and police
are looking for a third person because a twelve year
old girl was struck by one of these sex toys
thrown at a w NBA game in Brooklyn, and I
guess she's gonna be okay.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
She might be traumatized for life.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
To not be okay. It's it's plastic. No, it's snaesthetic.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
No, it's not plastic. I think it's like a polyurethane. Yeah,
it's it's material. It bounces, plastic doesn't bounce. Well, it's
not designed to harm, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
That's debatable pleasure. Sorry, that was probably.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Too far anyway, lost.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
My trader Tony just put his head down. It's like,
I don't want to be part of this at all.
Don't put me in this.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
My point is the w NBA was not hurt by
the added publicity. Yes, it's unseemly, but bottom line, is
probably good for the sport. I mean, it's probably it
was mean spirited and I wouldn't advise it, But it's
not like the w NBA is going to turn down
(02:09):
the attention.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I mean theoretically, and people say, oh, Jackie, that's not true,
but this is a phrase that I actually do live by.
There's no such thing as bad press. It's all in
how you spin it. Well, I mean, that's not bad press,
that's bad actions that the press.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
That's differrect. But when people are just.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Talking about you and there's no harm, no foul, nothing,
nothing nefarious is happening to people because of the actions
you took thereby getting the pressed, there's no such thing
as bad press. This is just a juvenile prank that
is causing people to once again talk about the w
n b A, and that's not.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
A bad thing.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I've noticed that the w n b A is leading
conversations on ESPN and Fox Sports. It's on the landing
page of ESPN and Fox sports dot com. So, if anything,
they've earned their way to to the front page. As
they say, they're now starting the negotiations in earnest for
the new CBA of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. And now
(03:08):
I want to kind of mix some stories here. I
was going to talk about this next story, okay, but
I'm going to start it now because I don't know
if you've heard about the story where Paramount and the
TKO Group which a seven year deal for all UFC
events in US. The UFC is notorious for not paying
its fighters correct even before this deal, and I could
(03:32):
get into the politics or what it looks like giving
this deal, happened Dana White, his political connections, and also
what the President did to intervene with CBS and paramount.
There are a lot of layers to the story, but
this is something I want to get your comment on.
UFC fighters make as little as ten to thirty thousand
dollars per fight.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Fighters have to cover training expenses, medical costs, and other
associated fees. The UFC prior to this deal generated in
annual revenue of one point four billion last year.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
YEP.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Average UFC fighter salary about one hundred and forty thousand
per year, but most fighters usually made closer to fifty
one thousand. Now let's compare that to the WNBA. Now
that's why I'm putting these stories together. The average WNBA
salary for this season is estimated to be around one
hundred and two thousand dollars cost and the minimum salary
(04:25):
is sixty two thousand. The WNBA generated two hundred million
during the previous season, the first season of Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
How is it that the WNBA is paying better per
athlete than the.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
UFC because they're demanding it. So that's what's happening. They
in the last collective bargaining agreement. Shout out to Nekogomakay,
who is the president of the WNBA Basketball the Social
Players Association. You know, very highly educated and she pushes
for certain things. So this is what I to explain
to people when you're seeing players at the WNBA All
(05:03):
Star Game that are wearing a shirt that says, pay
us what you owe us. The WNBA is when you
talk about broke, everybody always says the WNBA has broke.
You're broke, and rich people broke, not saying broke. It
is not the same broke. And so just stop saying
that because that just shows how little you understand.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Finance is beyond your own. That's first and foremost.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
So the players are asking for money from this influx
of revenue that they are receiving, and they are fighting
for it.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Let's break it down when you say revenue that has
to do with merchandise. Merchandise has name, image and likeness
on a professional level of commercial revenue and the big.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
One TV deals and so that's the thing people forget.
The rise of Jake Paul came out of UFC players
not being paid enough and being very verbal about Dana
White being a crook and not only not paying fighters
collectively as much being discriminatory on which fighters he would
pay more than others. But they they didn't fight loud enough,
(05:59):
and they didn't fight long enough.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
They're not unionized yet, are they are not? And so
that's another problem.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Nor have they fought pun intended to benionized.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And now already is not lost on this, like how
is it you fight harder in the ring?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Exactly right in the boardroom.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And this is something that we've seen in the fighting
world Forever's people going into the ring risking their lives.
We know what happens when whether you win that fight
or not, we know the long term effects of you
consistently being in that ring and consistently boxing. There is
long term health risk that come with that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I got to jump in there because the lie that
was told, and it was a lie that MMA was
safer than boxing because it didn't go twelve rounds or
fifteen rounds and you weren't subject to as many headshots.
Now that we've had the UFC for a good thirty
plus years.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
We are seeing the long term effects and the people
that didn't know that was a lie out to jump
seeing all the blood in the ring, fight in and
fight out. This is why people get away with stuff
because people are uneducated about topics and they won't educate
themselves on the topics and so. But at the same time,
when you have a fan base that just wants to
(07:06):
see these types of fights, and you have these fighters
that won't fight for equal pay or even just pay,
then who's to blame in that situation? By all means,
it should be the players that are getting into that
ring that should be the loudest or here's the other part.
Stop fighting. If there's no product, Dana White has no
(07:27):
choice but to acquiesce to your request.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Ah. But here's the difference between the UFC, which is
modeled more like at the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
UFC is the brand which is promoted. There is no
fighter which is bigger than the brand. Correct.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Same with the NFL. It's the shield. It's not the
individual players. You know about them, but they're not promoted
above the league. It's different with the NBA. You know,
Lebron is bigger than the brand of the NBA. Absolutely
and that's intentional as far as the UFC, because that's
why fighters are so disposable.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Oh, John Owes.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Jones, doesn't matter if he doesn't want to fight anymore.
It's the UFC. They have a fight every month eighty
nine to ninety five. People are still going to buy.
Why because to their credit, they still have better fights
on average matchups of people who want to see than boxing.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Correct Because even if you have a long ticket and
there's a couple of bad fights on there, there's a
couple of great fights. You get sea fighters you've never
seen before and they're great and now you become Now
that part I love about the UFC that you can
just see people that I ain't even heard of this person,
then all of a sudden you're and they look fantastic.
I also like how they're promoting, you know, women in
the sport as well, so they're doing some good things.
(08:35):
This is not to be completely disparaging. However, when you
are making the kind of money that you make and
you walk yourself into every photo opp Dana White and
make it look like you're some sort of savior, and
you know you're paying people peanuts, something's fundamentally wrong with you.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Let's pick this up on the other side.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's Later with Mo Kelly, be on the box Score
with Jackie Red k if I AM six forty. We're
live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app and social media.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
On video.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Six forty. It's Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
We're still going to be on the box Score with
Jackie Ray and Jackuerary. Let's talk a little bit of
NFL football, but it's not really about the football itself.
It's about what's happening outside of football. Schudoor Sanders. You
know something about him and he played for Colorado. You're
from Colorado. For those who may not know that, hud Sanders.
I think he and his father made some mistakes which
(09:34):
led to him being drafted I think in the fifth
round as opposed to possibly potentially number one overall.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
He had his first preseason game with the Browns. Did
very well.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, he had through two touchdowns, no interceptions. Looked like
I'm going to prove everybody wrong, Shoodoor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
They just released the depth chart for week two. Oh
I didn't see this. Uh huh. See I thought I
was gonna surprise you.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, Shoudoor Sanders is still number four on the depth chart,
and you've said, what does that mean? In other words,
he's rated as the fourth quarterback. If this were an
actual game, he'd be fourth to come in if need be.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
And can you list the names ahead of him?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Please? Oh my gosh, let me find it real quick.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Because that's the thing that's going to get me, because
there's no possible way that the Joe Flacco, Oh god,
stop right there, Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And Dylan Gabriel. Joe Flacco a longtime veteran. I think
he want to ring with the other the Ravens. Kenny Pickett,
he's a journeyman quarterback. Dylan Gabriel also a rookie drafted
in Shudor Sanders. Now, let me play both sides of this.
Shudor Sanders had a great three quarters of an exhibition
(10:47):
game where he was not playing the three quarters against
the number ones of the defense.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Correct, So try to keep it in context.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But I do believe he did enough to at least
move up to the number three on the draft board. Now,
not going to go full football on this, but there
is a social commentary. Here is Shudor Sanders being treated
unfairly for reasons having nothing to do with football.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Absolutely, And this is the problem that I always have
when people say, oh, just keep it about the game,
just keep it about football. It's never just about football
when it comes to specific people, most times melanated people.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Okay, And I also have to say this.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
The team owner came out and said in so many words,
I'm paraphrasing him, so please don't think this is a quote.
It's like, this is not my pick talking about shood
Or Sanders, saying that he would have never picked him,
didn't want him.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
He pawned off on the GM.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
And gave no context because I heard that quote. He
gave no context as to why he wouldn't want him.
So and that's where I have a problem, because me,
Jackie Ray, if I own a team, I would say
this is not my pick because the type of offense
we want, we want it to be pass heavy. He's
shown that maybe he's not his past.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Oh trying to get your football on.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, I'm trying. I'm trying to be log It's cool.
You know, this is a new thing out here in
these American streets. But I'm trying to be logical, so
I would have reasons why, because people forget that there
are certain schemes that a certain quarterback just might not
fit into, if that's the type of offense you're running.
But when you just say, full stop, he's not my pick,
and you don't follow.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Up with a why a football? Why a football? Why?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
It can't be it can't even be a personality. Why
you can't say, oh, I you know, I don't like him.
I think he has bad breath, Like, give him a
minute and move on with your life. If he's good
at what he does. But when you just say he's
not my quarterback and you leave it at that, we know,
we can read the context clues. We know that it
has nothing to do with football, and you either a
feel like he's too confident for it, and this happens.
(12:41):
I know a lot of people don't want to talk
about this, but I've been watching football my whole life.
There's a level an expectation that black men specifically have
to come in with a level of humility that white
men do not have to have.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, there's also the history of black quarterbacks in the NFL, right,
and there's a stigma that the black quarterback does not
process the game from the quarterback position as well as
his white predecessors. But to your point, when the owner
doesn't specify right reasons, then you leave it up to
speculation and you can't say, well, you can't. You can't
(13:12):
say it's that no, no, until you rule it out.
Some people are going to rule it in.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
All things are on the table until you'd prove me otherwise.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Now, I wonder if I'm Shodoor Sanders, i would say
I'm auditioning for my next team.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
That's exactly what I'd be saying, because no matter what
I'm I'm hell bent on getting out.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
They're not keeping four quarterbacks and Shood Door Sanders is
probably not going to be the starter a week one,
so and they would get whoever gets shood or Sanderson
is going to get him on you know, a discount
because he was drafted in the fifth round. His contract
is not going to change traded to another team.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And you can't get any worse in Cleveland, Let's be honest,
you absolutely can't.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I always say that Cleveland is purgatory for football, That's
where careers go to die.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I'm trying to think the last successful football player to
come out of Cleveland. Dude, I'm being honest, and I
know football.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I'm trying to think.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Damn, that's about right, though, Bernie co Star, I think
that's about right.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Bryansipe.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I can't think of really anyone who's made their career
in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah, it's a notoriously bad team.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
There was once upon a time Cleveland had a thing
called the Dog Pound because they were great defensively. I
would bet my last dollar most people in the chat
don't even remember that because it's been that long ago.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That was early nineties.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yep, because I watched that and that's when they messed
off that playoff game, Ernest Byner fumbled at the football
at the at the goal line.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yep. That's the last time anybody cared about it.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Look, I know some football. I know some football. Jackiwary,
what are you talking about in your show?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Okay, So tomorrow the Jackie Ray Show is coming out.
It's all about mental health and this therapy that I
personally did because I don't sleep well.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It's called blink therapy.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And if it can work on my bre and I
feel like it could work on anybody's because I have
a stubborn brain, y'all.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
So you have a great clap back, thank you. I'd
be quick with it, right, Who are you clapping back?
Within that clip that you showed me? So I showed
a clip.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
You can't see it on my TikTok because apparently it's
not allowed, but it is on my Instagram. But there
was a gentleman on my TikTok live this morning, gentlemen
that he kept doing these little comments about the w NBA,
and so I was telling him places he can learn,
like if he seemed like he really wanted to learn
about the WNBA. So I was like, okay, you can
follow this podcast, follow this creator, blah blah blah, and
(15:33):
he goes, no, I absolutely won't do that because I
don't like the fact that the women in the WNBA
I'll look and sound like men.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yuck.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And so then so he's trolling. But I you know,
I have a bunch of nicknames. One of them is
Petty Ray. So I clicked on his picture and then
I reminded him of why he should not say such things.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
In other words, don't come for Jackie Ray unless she
sends for you, amen, And not a minute before Yes, Jackuary,
It's always good to see pleasure. It's Later with Mo
Kelly KFI AM six forty five everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
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You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yes Later with Mo Kelly. Let's go be on the
box Score with Jackie Ray. Jackie Ray, how are you
this evening?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I'm great. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm doing well. I don't choose the news. Why I
choose the news. I can't create the news, and sometimes
news happens for reasons I don't quite understand. Last week
we started talking about this phenomena. Is this as if
it was like a one off or you know, not
a frequent event where people were throwing sex toys on
(00:32):
the court right which could have injured a player, which
could have been very dangerous in a general sense. And
I thought it was just going to die down, And
then we later found out during the week. We didn't
get a chance to find out, but it was I
don't know, some tech bros or some crypto bros bros yep,
I guess, trying to be funny or something.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It worked.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
That cryptocurrency that they created is taking off, So it worked,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But then they kept doing it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Since that time, two people have been arrested and police
are looking for a third person because a twelve year
old girl was struck by one of these sex toys
thrown at a w NBA game in Brooklyn, and I
guess she's gonna be okay.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
She might be traumatized for life.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
To not be okay. It's it's plastic. No, it's snaesthetic.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
No, it's not plastic. I think it's like a polyurethane. Yeah,
it's it's material. It bounces, plastic doesn't bounce. Well, it's
not designed to harm, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
That's debatable pleasure. Sorry, that was probably.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Too far anyway, lost.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
My trader Tony just put his head down. It's like,
I don't want to be part of this at all.
Don't put me in this.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
My point is the w NBA was not hurt by
the added publicity. Yes, it's unseemly, but bottom line, is
probably good for the sport. I mean, it's probably it
was mean spirited and I wouldn't advise it, But it's
not like the w NBA is going to turn down
(02:09):
the attention.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I mean theoretically, and people say, oh, Jackie, that's not true,
but this is a phrase that I actually do live by.
There's no such thing as bad press. It's all in
how you spin it. Well, I mean, that's not bad press,
that's bad actions that the press.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
That's differrect. But when people are just.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Talking about you and there's no harm, no foul, nothing,
nothing nefarious is happening to people because of the actions
you took thereby getting the pressed, there's no such thing
as bad press. This is just a juvenile prank that
is causing people to once again talk about the w
n b A, and that's not.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
A bad thing.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I've noticed that the w n b A is leading
conversations on ESPN and Fox Sports. It's on the landing
page of ESPN and Fox sports dot com. So, if anything,
they've earned their way to to the front page. As
they say, they're now starting the negotiations in earnest for
the new CBA of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. And now
(03:08):
I want to kind of mix some stories here. I
was going to talk about this next story, okay, but
I'm going to start it now because I don't know
if you've heard about the story where Paramount and the
TKO Group which a seven year deal for all UFC
events in US. The UFC is notorious for not paying
its fighters correct even before this deal, and I could
(03:32):
get into the politics or what it looks like giving
this deal, happened Dana White, his political connections, and also
what the President did to intervene with CBS and paramount.
There are a lot of layers to the story, but
this is something I want to get your comment on.
UFC fighters make as little as ten to thirty thousand
dollars per fight.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Fighters have to cover training expenses, medical costs, and other
associated fees. The UFC prior to this deal generated in
annual revenue of one point four billion last year.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
YEP.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Average UFC fighter salary about one hundred and forty thousand
per year, but most fighters usually made closer to fifty
one thousand. Now let's compare that to the WNBA. Now
that's why I'm putting these stories together. The average WNBA
salary for this season is estimated to be around one
hundred and two thousand dollars cost and the minimum salary
(04:25):
is sixty two thousand. The WNBA generated two hundred million
during the previous season, the first season of Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
How is it that the WNBA is paying better per
athlete than the.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
UFC because they're demanding it. So that's what's happening. They
in the last collective bargaining agreement. Shout out to Nekogomakay,
who is the president of the WNBA Basketball the Social
Players Association. You know, very highly educated and she pushes
for certain things. So this is what I to explain
to people when you're seeing players at the WNBA All
(05:03):
Star Game that are wearing a shirt that says, pay
us what you owe us. The WNBA is when you
talk about broke, everybody always says the WNBA has broke.
You're broke, and rich people broke, not saying broke. It
is not the same broke. And so just stop saying
that because that just shows how little you understand.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Finance is beyond your own. That's first and foremost.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
So the players are asking for money from this influx
of revenue that they are receiving, and they are fighting
for it.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Let's break it down when you say revenue that has
to do with merchandise. Merchandise has name, image and likeness
on a professional level of commercial revenue and the big.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
One TV deals and so that's the thing people forget.
The rise of Jake Paul came out of UFC players
not being paid enough and being very verbal about Dana
White being a crook and not only not paying fighters
collectively as much being discriminatory on which fighters he would
pay more than others. But they they didn't fight loud enough,
(05:59):
and they didn't fight long enough.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
They're not unionized yet, are they are not? And so
that's another problem.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Nor have they fought pun intended to benionized.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And now already is not lost on this, like how
is it you fight harder in the ring?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Exactly right in the boardroom.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And this is something that we've seen in the fighting
world Forever's people going into the ring risking their lives.
We know what happens when whether you win that fight
or not, we know the long term effects of you
consistently being in that ring and consistently boxing. There is
long term health risk that come with that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I got to jump in there because the lie that
was told, and it was a lie that MMA was
safer than boxing because it didn't go twelve rounds or
fifteen rounds and you weren't subject to as many headshots.
Now that we've had the UFC for a good thirty
plus years.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
We are seeing the long term effects and the people
that didn't know that was a lie out to jump
seeing all the blood in the ring, fight in and
fight out. This is why people get away with stuff
because people are uneducated about topics and they won't educate
themselves on the topics and so. But at the same time,
when you have a fan base that just wants to
(07:06):
see these types of fights, and you have these fighters
that won't fight for equal pay or even just pay,
then who's to blame in that situation? By all means,
it should be the players that are getting into that
ring that should be the loudest or here's the other part.
Stop fighting. If there's no product, Dana White has no
(07:27):
choice but to acquiesce to your request.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Ah. But here's the difference between the UFC, which is
modeled more like at the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
UFC is the brand which is promoted. There is no
fighter which is bigger than the brand. Correct.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Same with the NFL. It's the shield. It's not the
individual players. You know about them, but they're not promoted
above the league. It's different with the NBA. You know,
Lebron is bigger than the brand of the NBA. Absolutely
and that's intentional as far as the UFC, because that's
why fighters are so disposable.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Oh, John Owes.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Jones, doesn't matter if he doesn't want to fight anymore.
It's the UFC. They have a fight every month eighty
nine to ninety five. People are still going to buy.
Why because to their credit, they still have better fights
on average matchups of people who want to see than boxing.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Correct Because even if you have a long ticket and
there's a couple of bad fights on there, there's a
couple of great fights. You get sea fighters you've never
seen before and they're great and now you become Now
that part I love about the UFC that you can
just see people that I ain't even heard of this person,
then all of a sudden you're and they look fantastic.
I also like how they're promoting, you know, women in
the sport as well, so they're doing some good things.
(08:35):
This is not to be completely disparaging. However, when you
are making the kind of money that you make and
you walk yourself into every photo opp Dana White and
make it look like you're some sort of savior, and
you know you're paying people peanuts, something's fundamentally wrong with you.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Let's pick this up on the other side.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's Later with Mo Kelly, be on the box Score
with Jackie Red k if I AM six forty. We're
live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app and social media.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
On video.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Six forty. It's Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
We're still going to be on the box Score with
Jackie Ray and Jackuerary. Let's talk a little bit of
NFL football, but it's not really about the football itself.
It's about what's happening outside of football. Schudoor Sanders. You
know something about him and he played for Colorado. You're
from Colorado. For those who may not know that, hud Sanders.
I think he and his father made some mistakes which
(09:34):
led to him being drafted I think in the fifth
round as opposed to possibly potentially number one overall.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
He had his first preseason game with the Browns. Did
very well.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, he had through two touchdowns, no interceptions. Looked like
I'm going to prove everybody wrong, Shoodoor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
They just released the depth chart for week two. Oh
I didn't see this. Uh huh. See I thought I
was gonna surprise you.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, Shoudoor Sanders is still number four on the depth chart,
and you've said, what does that mean? In other words,
he's rated as the fourth quarterback. If this were an
actual game, he'd be fourth to come in if need be.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
And can you list the names ahead of him?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Please? Oh my gosh, let me find it real quick.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Because that's the thing that's going to get me, because
there's no possible way that the Joe Flacco, Oh god,
stop right there, Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And Dylan Gabriel. Joe Flacco a longtime veteran. I think
he want to ring with the other the Ravens. Kenny Pickett,
he's a journeyman quarterback. Dylan Gabriel also a rookie drafted
in Shudor Sanders. Now, let me play both sides of this.
Shudor Sanders had a great three quarters of an exhibition
(10:47):
game where he was not playing the three quarters against
the number ones of the defense.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Correct, So try to keep it in context.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But I do believe he did enough to at least
move up to the number three on the draft board. Now,
not going to go full football on this, but there
is a social commentary. Here is Shudor Sanders being treated
unfairly for reasons having nothing to do with football.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Absolutely, And this is the problem that I always have
when people say, oh, just keep it about the game,
just keep it about football. It's never just about football
when it comes to specific people, most times melanated people.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Okay, And I also have to say this.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
The team owner came out and said in so many words,
I'm paraphrasing him, so please don't think this is a quote.
It's like, this is not my pick talking about shood
Or Sanders, saying that he would have never picked him,
didn't want him.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
He pawned off on the GM.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
And gave no context because I heard that quote. He
gave no context as to why he wouldn't want him.
So and that's where I have a problem, because me,
Jackie Ray, if I own a team, I would say
this is not my pick because the type of offense
we want, we want it to be pass heavy. He's
shown that maybe he's not his past.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Oh trying to get your football on.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, I'm trying. I'm trying to be log It's cool.
You know, this is a new thing out here in
these American streets. But I'm trying to be logical, so
I would have reasons why, because people forget that there
are certain schemes that a certain quarterback just might not
fit into, if that's the type of offense you're running.
But when you just say, full stop, he's not my pick,
and you don't follow.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Up with a why a football? Why a football? Why?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
It can't be it can't even be a personality. Why
you can't say, oh, I you know, I don't like him.
I think he has bad breath, Like, give him a
minute and move on with your life. If he's good
at what he does. But when you just say he's
not my quarterback and you leave it at that, we know,
we can read the context clues. We know that it
has nothing to do with football, and you either a
feel like he's too confident for it, and this happens.
(12:41):
I know a lot of people don't want to talk
about this, but I've been watching football my whole life.
There's a level an expectation that black men specifically have
to come in with a level of humility that white
men do not have to have.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, there's also the history of black quarterbacks in the NFL, right,
and there's a stigma that the black quarterback does not
process the game from the quarterback position as well as
his white predecessors. But to your point, when the owner
doesn't specify right reasons, then you leave it up to
speculation and you can't say, well, you can't. You can't
(13:12):
say it's that no, no, until you rule it out.
Some people are going to rule it in.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
All things are on the table until you'd prove me otherwise.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Now, I wonder if I'm Shodoor Sanders, i would say
I'm auditioning for my next team.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
That's exactly what I'd be saying, because no matter what
I'm I'm hell bent on getting out.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
They're not keeping four quarterbacks and Shood Door Sanders is
probably not going to be the starter a week one,
so and they would get whoever gets shood or Sanderson
is going to get him on you know, a discount
because he was drafted in the fifth round. His contract
is not going to change traded to another team.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And you can't get any worse in Cleveland, Let's be honest,
you absolutely can't.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I always say that Cleveland is purgatory for football, That's
where careers go to die.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I'm trying to think the last successful football player to
come out of Cleveland. Dude, I'm being honest, and I
know football.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I'm trying to think.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Damn, that's about right, though, Bernie co Star, I think
that's about right.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Bryansipe.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I can't think of really anyone who's made their career
in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah, it's a notoriously bad team.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
There was once upon a time Cleveland had a thing
called the Dog Pound because they were great defensively. I
would bet my last dollar most people in the chat
don't even remember that because it's been that long ago.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That was early nineties.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yep, because I watched that and that's when they messed
off that playoff game, Ernest Byner fumbled at the football
at the at the goal line.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yep. That's the last time anybody cared about it.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Look, I know some football. I know some football. Jackiwary,
what are you talking about in your show?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Okay, So tomorrow the Jackie Ray Show is coming out.
It's all about mental health and this therapy that I
personally did because I don't sleep well.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It's called blink therapy.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And if it can work on my bre and I
feel like it could work on anybody's because I have
a stubborn brain, y'all.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
So you have a great clap back, thank you. I'd
be quick with it, right, Who are you clapping back?
Within that clip that you showed me? So I showed
a clip.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
You can't see it on my TikTok because apparently it's
not allowed, but it is on my Instagram. But there
was a gentleman on my TikTok live this morning, gentlemen
that he kept doing these little comments about the w NBA,
and so I was telling him places he can learn,
like if he seemed like he really wanted to learn
about the WNBA. So I was like, okay, you can
follow this podcast, follow this creator, blah blah blah, and
(15:33):
he goes, no, I absolutely won't do that because I
don't like the fact that the women in the WNBA
I'll look and sound like men.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yuck.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And so then so he's trolling. But I you know,
I have a bunch of nicknames. One of them is
Petty Ray. So I clicked on his picture and then
I reminded him of why he should not say such things.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
In other words, don't come for Jackie Ray unless she
sends for you, amen, And not a minute before Yes, Jackuary,
It's always good to see pleasure. It's Later with Mo
Kelly KFI AM six forty five everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
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