January 7, 2025 • 20 mins
ICYMI: ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – An exclusive conversation with ‘Digital Mind State’ CEO Mike Johns’ regarding his wild Waymo self-driving taxi ride - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
KFI AM six forty Yes Later with mo Kelly Live
Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app Happy Monday. Is there such
a thing as happy Monday? Or is that like an oxymoron?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It is an oxymoron there, It does not exist. There
is no happy Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, rainy days and Mondays always get me down, but
not today, not today, Not today.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
It's a pretty good Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You know, there's this video going around, this story about
this guy caught in a way mo He was circling
and circling and circling and missed his flight. Everyone's talking
about it. I mean everyone's talking about it. I heard
Tim talking about it. The story's on NBC four right now.
But here's something you didn't know. He's a longtime friend
(00:50):
of mine, Mike John's known for about thirty years.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Are you serious? I'm being very serious.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
He's at CEES right now, present, right now, right.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Now, as Tauwala condemned him.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yet no, not yet, but Tuala's going to have to
answer for this.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We've been texting back and forth, so we'll talk about
the story tonight. But just know this is the only
show where you're actually going to hear from him and
his story about way Moo and how Tuala is on
the take for Weymo. We now know firsthand Twala is
on the take, and we knew that something like this
(01:30):
was going to eventually happen. I'm not going to get
too much in the story, but we knew this was
going to happen. It was just a matter of time.
But now it's happened to the wrong guy. Why because
not only do I know the guy, not only is
the guy high up in tech. He's going to be
coming on KFI, the number one news talk station in
America and a number one stream station on iHeartRadio's app.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six four.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
By now, you've probably seen the story. You've probably heard
the story about the Los Angeles man trapped.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Circling in a Waymo on the way to the airport.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Now they've been conflicting reports about whether he actually missed
his flight home to Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
We're going to clear all that up.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
As the person involved with an LA tech entrepreneur Mike
Johns and he posted this video a few weeks ago
on LinkedIn, and all of a sudden everyone seemed to.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Discover it in the past two days.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You know, here on Lady with mo Kelly, we have
been discussing Waimo for quite some time. And Taualla Sharp,
you have been in the pocket of Waimo accepting undisclosed funds.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Because you are always.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Super defensive around Waimo, trying to protect them and their brand.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
I am protecting the future of technology. Like Mike Johns himself,
I consider myself a futurist. Maybe not someone of his pedigrees,
someone who is way way up there, but I see
the future as he does. He got into the weymo
why because he trusted it. Now, the Weymo was circling Lax, allegedly,
(03:10):
and that's what it's been a part of his life. Hey, okay,
he was not in any danger. It was just a
frustrating day. Look at you, but there's a frustrating Say
how many times have you been late to Lax to
miss a flight?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Never? But that's just me.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I'll last two three hours earlier. But Mike Johns, let
me just give you some context. The person who was
in this car. He's not just some passenger like you
or me. He is a tech CEO in his own right.
He understands this landscape. He's a CEES Innovation Awards judge.
Last year twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four FCC Communications
(03:47):
Equity and Diversity Council Meeting Advisory Board member created AI
Advisory Board Framework for the City of Los Angeles, created
AI Advisory Board Framework for Southern Nevada UNLV instructor of
Future Literacy, founder of We Are Digital five oh one
C three nonprofit, and he's been my friend for thirty years,
(04:09):
I think, most importantly, most importantly, Okay, now, now we're
going to get to an audio of actually what happened,
and he will give his description of what happened, and
we'll hear from him first person, and he is going
to take you to task on all your blasphemy.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Oh okay, that's right, and understand this happened to a
tech guy. He loves the idea of driverless cars and
was really excited to ride in one. We've been seeing
them all over tonight here in Santa Monica. But now
he says he won't take one again until he knows
they have worked the kinks out?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Okay? Why is this happening to me?
Speaker 6 (04:46):
On a Monday, Mike Johns started rolling as the way
Mow he was in started going round and rounds last
week and he started going in circles with customer service.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Why is this thing going in a circle?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I'm getting dizzy, he says.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
It was spinning like a tea cup at Disney World
in a Scottsdale parking lot, with him trapped inside and
unable to stop.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
It around a parking lot. I got my seat, dot on,
I can't get out the car.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Has this been hacked?
Speaker 7 (05:14):
What's going on?
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I feel like I'm in the movie in a video
that's now gone viral. He says the way Mo turned
like a top at least five times before Customer Service
was able to get it under control and headed to
the airport, where John's caught a flight back to la
All the while someone or something talking to him and
failing to ease his concerns.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I don't have an option to control the car.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Well, can he stop this car?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I am trying to over right now?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Apologies?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Where's the empathy?
Speaker 7 (05:45):
Where's the human connection to this? It's just again a
case of today's digital world, half baked product and nobody
meeting the customer, the consumers in the middle.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
He's still not certain he was communicating with a real
person or AI, and says he has real concerns about
the service he'd like to share with Waymo.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Wait it, he knows a little something about this subject matter.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Okay, if his concern is a TEXEO, then damn it.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
We should be concerned.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
How dare you twhy put us in these dangerous things?
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I'm seeing a slight hint of much ado about nothing.
He says he circled five times. It wasn't fifty eleven times,
till the point he was dizzy and throwing up. And
the poor, the poor AI generated voice that was trying
to help him and get him out of this.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Where was his empathy for the AI? Where was his sympathy?
Speaker 6 (06:37):
He has real concerns about the service he'd like to
share with Waymo, but he says no one has reached
out to him, even after his video has been viewed
by more than two million people. John's works in tech
and he wants to see the succeed and thinks it
will maybe just not yet. It's called driver lists, but
to him at this point. There's a better word for.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
It, humanless. Humanless, right, humanless. That's that ghost in the shell, right.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
So we'll hear from him tomorrow on the show, and
we expect him to get to Walla Sharp straight.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I'm excited to hear what it was like to be
in a real life Twilight Zone episode tech guy gets
his come upance with tech.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
All I know is Twalla Sharp has better get his
apology ready, not only Michael, but for me and for
you and the KFI listening public where he tried to
deceive all of us saying that it's safe, it's better
than a human driver. I don't know how many human
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drivers who are not under the influence of something do
circles unless they're trying to do like a street takeover.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Look.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Unfortunately, this story does not meet out all of the details,
and I think things that need to be highlighted. He
is excited about the product. He thinks the product will work.
We got into the Weymo and this was, for my understanding,
this was an Arizona where they had still been having
kinks in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It's the same damn product, you say, if they got
E Coli and McDonald's in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
I shouldn't worry about e Coli in LA.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
That's not fair. That's not a fair comparison. What I'm
saying is the Waymos in LA have never spun around
a parking lot. They've never spun around a parking lot.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Okay, that's like saying the Boeing plane hasn't fallen out
of the sky at this airport.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Oh no, because then if we're trying to compare Boeing
airplanes falling to car circling, that's not a fair comparison.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
That's right, that's right. This is Waymo blasphemy.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
We need to have a way Mo representative on the
phone to counter some of these points.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
You're sitting right there. We need but look, you get
Way Moo to come on the show. I'm getting Mike
Johnson to come on the show tomorrow. Okay, Well, Waymo's busy.
Well you gotta make excuses for them in advance. You
got pre excuse, you got a pre buddle, you got
a pre reason.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I can't believe you.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's like the Sarah Huckabee Sanders of Weimo sitting there.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
You so now now, now, now, now, let's not take
it out on Twalla too much. He picked the wrong
side in this.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
He was of the opinion that Weimo was a safe company,
that it was ready for prime time, that people were
ready to take the next step. Now what people may
not know if you're just tuning into tuning into us
for the first time. I was getting ready to use
a waimo.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
We had talked.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
About me getting a Waymo. We would probably broadcast it.
You let you host the show. I'd run down getting
a waimo and I would call you and we could
narrate what was happening in the Weimo. I'm not putting
my black ass in one of those things down. I
don't know that still happen. I promise you this my
black ass in Weymo Josh, and he will say, you
know what, Mo, it was fine.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
That little fractice in the parking lot that has put
me off, and it lets me know that way more
needs to step up. It's human interaction and be able
to solve these issues expeditiously and not have any customer
go through this again.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And that's fine. That's fine. It's a new technology. Would
you like some thousand island with that world word solid
of yours? I can't believe this. Tell you very much,
Thank you very much. Two shows nightly.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You know what, let me just go to break, okay,
because it seems like Mike Johnson is calling me right
now from Waymo from the Waymot incidents. So we're gonna
try to get him on the air right now. So
we're gonna break now, break early. We're gonna get Mike
John's on the air. Hold on all right, Mike, don't
go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Kelly.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app And during the
last segment, I was caught off guard because my phone
was going crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Give me some backstory.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
At the beginning of the show, I was talking about
the Waimo story with this guy was caught in a
way Moo going in circles and people are saying like,
oh my gosh, how could that happen? And you know,
here on Lady with Mo Kelly, we always talked about
Waimo and all the issues. Well, when I was looking
at that story about the guy who was caught in
circles trying to get on his flight coming back to La.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
The name was Mike Johns. I'm thinking, Mike Johns.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I know that name, and then I realized it's one
of my fraternity brothers, a friend for like more than
thirty years. We had lost contact because he's a big
tech CEO now making a whole lot of money and
I'm just doing radio, and you know, lives go in
different directions. So I've reached out to him and tried
to figure out if I could get him on the
show tonight. And I think Taalla's talking to him right now.
(11:50):
What's the status right now? Okay, we can get him
on the air.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
It'll be good.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So we can find out and get his story firsthand
of what happened when he was in the way.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Moost he Stephen, tell me what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
They're still trying to get him hooked up right now,
so we can get his story.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
All right, go ahead and bring him up.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Mike Johns, my brother of Mega Sci Fi Fraternity Incorporated.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
How are you doing, my Mike?
Speaker 7 (12:18):
You there, amir? How you doing? Big Dogs?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I am? I am Well.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Look I saw this story of you going around in
a weymo.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
And I said, that looks like someone for me that
I read the stories like.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Mike Johns is like, that's dog from Las Vegas, and
so he said, I got to reach out to you
as soon as possible. Let me get out of the way.
You were in the waymo. You are a tech CEO
of Digital State Mind excuse me, digital Mind State. You
are an authority on AI when all this is going,
(12:50):
tell me why did you get in a way moo?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
And what happened?
Speaker 7 (12:54):
Let's do one better. First of all, I'm a futurist
in tech show. I'm supportive of autonomous vehicles. I am
definitely in full support of that. In this situation, I'm
so much in support of it that me and my
son was actually gonna get in this. But it was
me that did it on this goal. On the second
goal around, I chose it. Just the future is here
(13:17):
and these are things that you're gonna have to embrace regardless.
So the glitches are happening right now. Ultimately they may
get fixed down the line. But in this situation, I
got in the car trying to get back to the airport,
going from Sky Harbor to get to Lax. The first
suit I get in the car, it goes in a
(13:38):
circle and it's like damn. It should have went the
wrong way this way, but instead it did this does
another circle the second time. I'm like, and then I'm thinking, okay,
by the second third, is the prank? Somebody up to
a prank? I thought like, literally, some of my tech
buddies might have been one to do the perfect time.
(14:00):
I mean, even though I'm in Scottsdale at the moment,
somebody might have just set this up. But no, this
is real. This car has actually been There's a glitch,
not hacked. There's some sort of glitch that's going on,
and the people from the control towers right there looking
at the satellite systems probably realize, Hey, this car has
(14:20):
been going in multiple circles. Let me go ahead and
contact the customer and try to resolve the matter. That's
what WEIMO was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Okay, Mike, just so you know, can't have you cuss.
Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But when you were in the car and you're contacting Waymo,
how much time has transpired? I know you took some
time trying to contact Waymo, and it took some time
for them to get back to you. So how long
were you stuck in this loop? Literally?
Speaker 7 (14:49):
So correction you're in the car. I'm wondering what's going on?
And as I mentioned before, as the car is in
the circle, I believe that from their headquarters. Again, everything
is controlled by GPS and satellites, they were able to
realize that there was a problem. They prompt promptly over
the speaker started to talk to me. I don't even
(15:12):
have known what to do. Okay, then that happening. They
went ahead and needed my phone to help fix the
problem with the car. That's where I was pissed.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They needed your phone.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
In other words, they needed data from you or to
input a command.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
They needed to you know, like edit your ride, something
fixing with the ride itself to then be able to
go its course. So they needed to actually do something
in the app, inside the uh Waimo app, and then
they were able to take control and regain control of
the car.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
All told, how much time did this take before you
got at least moving towards your destination?
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Man? That was they I guess it was about seven minutes.
The longest seven minutes were you?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Hey, let me put it this way, if you needed
to in an emergency, would you have been able to
get out of the car on your.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Own with anger. You know, if it was more of
a if I found myself in a more of a
dangerous or a threatening situation, I would have had to
kick the windows. Absolutely, I would have had to kick
the windows to do something because I couldn't get out
the car.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
The car seemed like it was moving about ten miles
an hour. Is that accurate?
Speaker 7 (16:28):
That's correct?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Did you try to contact anyone else during this process?
Or you only were in contact with Weimo?
Speaker 7 (16:35):
Thank god it was in the parking lot, so I
didn't feel, you know, any danger or anything like that
that I actually filmed it, like, okay, you know, again stunned,
this is happening, let me document this, and again, great
to god, they already knew that they realized that there
was a problem. That's when they promptly got over their
(16:59):
innercount system start talking that they realized that there was
a problem. I didn't call. I wouldn't even have known
how to contact them.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Did you miss your flight?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I saw conflicting stories about whether you actually missed your
flight or no.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Yeah, did not miss the flight, Thank god there was
a delay. Did not miss the flight. People that reported
that I missed the flight were people that didn't talk
to me.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, I saw the video that you posted on your
LinkedIn page. So this happened a while ago. Has Weimo
reached out since and said, hey, we're real sorry, can
we give you like free rides for life?
Speaker 7 (17:31):
I have not had any communication with Weymo.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Not even like a coupon in your email.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
I haven't received any communication from Weymo.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Damn. Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Now, as a tech professional, you said before I let
you go, you said that, of course this is an
I'm paraphrasing that this is to be expected with technology.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
There's going to be glitches.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Would you, at this point, as a futurist and tech CEO,
recommend Waymo for a lay citizen like me?
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Very good question. I would say this as my answer,
you drive at your risk, at your own risk, that's
your own discretion. So a part of me will say, hey,
data is out there that says, you know, autonomous vehicles
are safer than human vehicles. Once you get into the vehicle,
(18:30):
anything can happen, be it autonomous, be it the human,
anything can happen. As the greatest source out there. But
when it comes to me getting back in the call,
have car having a sense of security, one of the
things that I stand on is that for everyday citizens,
you do not want to be a part of the experiment,
especially when you're having the pain to be in the experiment.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Well, damn, I think that pretty much sums it up.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Mike John's CEO Digital Mind State, How can people reach
out to you and more of your.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Work, Mike Johns dot COEO. We're out here doing a
new thing called Make America Smart with AI, and so
the timing of this again, I'm here at CEF campaigning
on that Make America Smart with AI. There's a new
book that's coming out called Depth of a Job that's
really going to be dialing in on what the world
(19:22):
looks like between twenty twenty five and twenty thirty, which
jobs are going to be here change and also which
ones will be obsolete. Very important because the black and
brown community must pay attention to this. Do not be
a part of the obsolete society.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Mike Johns, you need to come in studio and sit
with us sometime. I know you the LA area.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
We're probably like neighbors and I don't even know it,
So let's stay in touchdown.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
I'd love to get with you Inglewood anytime, say win.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Oh, I'm right outside of Inglewood. That's exactly what I'm
talking about. We're neighbors.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
When come on, you're the big man. You don't even
know what you don't know what. I saw your text.
You were the one right out of you. N l
V helped set up my first interview. That's my love
for you, my first interview with Warner grew Warner, I
remember Warner Way.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, well, let's let's keep this friendship going.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Mm hmmm, Aitherway.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Let me touch my brother.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
All right, thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
KFI AM six forty Yes Later with mo Kelly Live
Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app Happy Monday. Is there such
a thing as happy Monday? Or is that like an oxymoron?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It is an oxymoron there, It does not exist. There
is no happy Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, rainy days and Mondays always get me down, but
not today, not today, Not today.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
It's a pretty good Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You know, there's this video going around, this story about
this guy caught in a way mo He was circling
and circling and circling and missed his flight. Everyone's talking
about it. I mean everyone's talking about it. I heard
Tim talking about it. The story's on NBC four right now.
But here's something you didn't know. He's a longtime friend
(00:50):
of mine, Mike John's known for about thirty years.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Are you serious? I'm being very serious.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
He's at CEES right now, present, right now, right.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Now, as Tauwala condemned him.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yet no, not yet, but Tuala's going to have to
answer for this.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We've been texting back and forth, so we'll talk about
the story tonight. But just know this is the only
show where you're actually going to hear from him and
his story about way Moo and how Tuala is on
the take for Weymo. We now know firsthand Twala is
on the take, and we knew that something like this
(01:30):
was going to eventually happen. I'm not going to get
too much in the story, but we knew this was
going to happen. It was just a matter of time.
But now it's happened to the wrong guy. Why because
not only do I know the guy, not only is
the guy high up in tech. He's going to be
coming on KFI, the number one news talk station in
America and a number one stream station on iHeartRadio's app.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six four.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
By now, you've probably seen the story. You've probably heard
the story about the Los Angeles man trapped.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Circling in a Waymo on the way to the airport.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Now they've been conflicting reports about whether he actually missed
his flight home to Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
We're going to clear all that up.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
As the person involved with an LA tech entrepreneur Mike
Johns and he posted this video a few weeks ago
on LinkedIn, and all of a sudden everyone seemed to.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Discover it in the past two days.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You know, here on Lady with mo Kelly, we have
been discussing Waimo for quite some time. And Taualla Sharp,
you have been in the pocket of Waimo accepting undisclosed funds.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Because you are always.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Super defensive around Waimo, trying to protect them and their brand.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
I am protecting the future of technology. Like Mike Johns himself,
I consider myself a futurist. Maybe not someone of his pedigrees,
someone who is way way up there, but I see
the future as he does. He got into the weymo
why because he trusted it. Now, the Weymo was circling Lax, allegedly,
(03:10):
and that's what it's been a part of his life. Hey, okay,
he was not in any danger. It was just a
frustrating day. Look at you, but there's a frustrating Say
how many times have you been late to Lax to
miss a flight?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Never? But that's just me.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I'll last two three hours earlier. But Mike Johns, let
me just give you some context. The person who was
in this car. He's not just some passenger like you
or me. He is a tech CEO in his own right.
He understands this landscape. He's a CEES Innovation Awards judge.
Last year twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four FCC Communications
(03:47):
Equity and Diversity Council Meeting Advisory Board member created AI
Advisory Board Framework for the City of Los Angeles, created
AI Advisory Board Framework for Southern Nevada UNLV instructor of
Future Literacy, founder of We Are Digital five oh one
C three nonprofit, and he's been my friend for thirty years,
(04:09):
I think, most importantly, most importantly, Okay, now, now we're
going to get to an audio of actually what happened,
and he will give his description of what happened, and
we'll hear from him first person, and he is going
to take you to task on all your blasphemy.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Oh okay, that's right, and understand this happened to a
tech guy. He loves the idea of driverless cars and
was really excited to ride in one. We've been seeing
them all over tonight here in Santa Monica. But now
he says he won't take one again until he knows
they have worked the kinks out?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Okay? Why is this happening to me?
Speaker 6 (04:46):
On a Monday, Mike Johns started rolling as the way
Mow he was in started going round and rounds last
week and he started going in circles with customer service.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Why is this thing going in a circle?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I'm getting dizzy, he says.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
It was spinning like a tea cup at Disney World
in a Scottsdale parking lot, with him trapped inside and
unable to stop.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
It around a parking lot. I got my seat, dot on,
I can't get out the car.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Has this been hacked?
Speaker 7 (05:14):
What's going on?
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I feel like I'm in the movie in a video
that's now gone viral. He says the way Mo turned
like a top at least five times before Customer Service
was able to get it under control and headed to
the airport, where John's caught a flight back to la
All the while someone or something talking to him and
failing to ease his concerns.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I don't have an option to control the car.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Well, can he stop this car?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I am trying to over right now?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Apologies?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Where's the empathy?
Speaker 7 (05:45):
Where's the human connection to this? It's just again a
case of today's digital world, half baked product and nobody
meeting the customer, the consumers in the middle.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
He's still not certain he was communicating with a real
person or AI, and says he has real concerns about
the service he'd like to share with Waymo.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Wait it, he knows a little something about this subject matter.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Okay, if his concern is a TEXEO, then damn it.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
We should be concerned.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
How dare you twhy put us in these dangerous things?
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I'm seeing a slight hint of much ado about nothing.
He says he circled five times. It wasn't fifty eleven times,
till the point he was dizzy and throwing up. And
the poor, the poor AI generated voice that was trying
to help him and get him out of this.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Where was his empathy for the AI? Where was his sympathy?
Speaker 6 (06:37):
He has real concerns about the service he'd like to
share with Waymo, but he says no one has reached
out to him, even after his video has been viewed
by more than two million people. John's works in tech
and he wants to see the succeed and thinks it
will maybe just not yet. It's called driver lists, but
to him at this point. There's a better word for.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
It, humanless. Humanless, right, humanless. That's that ghost in the shell, right.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
So we'll hear from him tomorrow on the show, and
we expect him to get to Walla Sharp straight.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I'm excited to hear what it was like to be
in a real life Twilight Zone episode tech guy gets
his come upance with tech.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
All I know is Twalla Sharp has better get his
apology ready, not only Michael, but for me and for
you and the KFI listening public where he tried to
deceive all of us saying that it's safe, it's better
than a human driver. I don't know how many human
(07:41):
drivers who are not under the influence of something do
circles unless they're trying to do like a street takeover.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Look.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Unfortunately, this story does not meet out all of the details,
and I think things that need to be highlighted. He
is excited about the product. He thinks the product will work.
We got into the Weymo and this was, for my understanding,
this was an Arizona where they had still been having
kinks in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It's the same damn product, you say, if they got
E Coli and McDonald's in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
I shouldn't worry about e Coli in LA.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
That's not fair. That's not a fair comparison. What I'm
saying is the Waymos in LA have never spun around
a parking lot. They've never spun around a parking lot.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Okay, that's like saying the Boeing plane hasn't fallen out
of the sky at this airport.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Oh no, because then if we're trying to compare Boeing
airplanes falling to car circling, that's not a fair comparison.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
That's right, that's right. This is Waymo blasphemy.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
We need to have a way Mo representative on the
phone to counter some of these points.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
You're sitting right there. We need but look, you get
Way Moo to come on the show. I'm getting Mike
Johnson to come on the show tomorrow. Okay, Well, Waymo's busy.
Well you gotta make excuses for them in advance. You
got pre excuse, you got a pre buddle, you got
a pre reason.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I can't believe you.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's like the Sarah Huckabee Sanders of Weimo sitting there.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
You so now now, now, now, now, let's not take
it out on Twalla too much. He picked the wrong
side in this.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
He was of the opinion that Weimo was a safe company,
that it was ready for prime time, that people were
ready to take the next step. Now what people may
not know if you're just tuning into tuning into us
for the first time. I was getting ready to use
a waimo.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
We had talked.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
About me getting a Waymo. We would probably broadcast it.
You let you host the show. I'd run down getting
a waimo and I would call you and we could
narrate what was happening in the Weimo. I'm not putting
my black ass in one of those things down. I
don't know that still happen. I promise you this my
black ass in Weymo Josh, and he will say, you
know what, Mo, it was fine.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
That little fractice in the parking lot that has put
me off, and it lets me know that way more
needs to step up. It's human interaction and be able
to solve these issues expeditiously and not have any customer
go through this again.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And that's fine. That's fine. It's a new technology. Would
you like some thousand island with that world word solid
of yours? I can't believe this. Tell you very much,
Thank you very much. Two shows nightly.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You know what, let me just go to break, okay,
because it seems like Mike Johnson is calling me right
now from Waymo from the Waymot incidents. So we're gonna
try to get him on the air right now. So
we're gonna break now, break early. We're gonna get Mike
John's on the air. Hold on all right, Mike, don't
go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Kelly.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app And during the
last segment, I was caught off guard because my phone
was going crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Give me some backstory.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
At the beginning of the show, I was talking about
the Waimo story with this guy was caught in a
way Moo going in circles and people are saying like,
oh my gosh, how could that happen? And you know,
here on Lady with Mo Kelly, we always talked about
Waimo and all the issues. Well, when I was looking
at that story about the guy who was caught in
circles trying to get on his flight coming back to La.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
The name was Mike Johns. I'm thinking, Mike Johns.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I know that name, and then I realized it's one
of my fraternity brothers, a friend for like more than
thirty years. We had lost contact because he's a big
tech CEO now making a whole lot of money and
I'm just doing radio, and you know, lives go in
different directions. So I've reached out to him and tried
to figure out if I could get him on the
show tonight. And I think Taalla's talking to him right now.
(11:50):
What's the status right now? Okay, we can get him
on the air.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
It'll be good.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So we can find out and get his story firsthand
of what happened when he was in the way.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Moost he Stephen, tell me what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
They're still trying to get him hooked up right now,
so we can get his story.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
All right, go ahead and bring him up.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Mike Johns, my brother of Mega Sci Fi Fraternity Incorporated.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
How are you doing, my Mike?
Speaker 7 (12:18):
You there, amir? How you doing? Big Dogs?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I am? I am Well.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Look I saw this story of you going around in
a weymo.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
And I said, that looks like someone for me that
I read the stories like.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Mike Johns is like, that's dog from Las Vegas, and
so he said, I got to reach out to you
as soon as possible. Let me get out of the way.
You were in the waymo. You are a tech CEO
of Digital State Mind excuse me, digital Mind State. You
are an authority on AI when all this is going,
(12:50):
tell me why did you get in a way moo?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
And what happened?
Speaker 7 (12:54):
Let's do one better. First of all, I'm a futurist
in tech show. I'm supportive of autonomous vehicles. I am
definitely in full support of that. In this situation, I'm
so much in support of it that me and my
son was actually gonna get in this. But it was
me that did it on this goal. On the second
goal around, I chose it. Just the future is here
(13:17):
and these are things that you're gonna have to embrace regardless.
So the glitches are happening right now. Ultimately they may
get fixed down the line. But in this situation, I
got in the car trying to get back to the airport,
going from Sky Harbor to get to Lax. The first
suit I get in the car, it goes in a
(13:38):
circle and it's like damn. It should have went the
wrong way this way, but instead it did this does
another circle the second time. I'm like, and then I'm thinking, okay,
by the second third, is the prank? Somebody up to
a prank? I thought like, literally, some of my tech
buddies might have been one to do the perfect time.
(14:00):
I mean, even though I'm in Scottsdale at the moment,
somebody might have just set this up. But no, this
is real. This car has actually been There's a glitch,
not hacked. There's some sort of glitch that's going on,
and the people from the control towers right there looking
at the satellite systems probably realize, Hey, this car has
(14:20):
been going in multiple circles. Let me go ahead and
contact the customer and try to resolve the matter. That's
what WEIMO was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Okay, Mike, just so you know, can't have you cuss.
Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But when you were in the car and you're contacting Waymo,
how much time has transpired? I know you took some
time trying to contact Waymo, and it took some time
for them to get back to you. So how long
were you stuck in this loop? Literally?
Speaker 7 (14:49):
So correction you're in the car. I'm wondering what's going on?
And as I mentioned before, as the car is in
the circle, I believe that from their headquarters. Again, everything
is controlled by GPS and satellites, they were able to
realize that there was a problem. They prompt promptly over
the speaker started to talk to me. I don't even
(15:12):
have known what to do. Okay, then that happening. They
went ahead and needed my phone to help fix the
problem with the car. That's where I was pissed.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They needed your phone.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
In other words, they needed data from you or to
input a command.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
They needed to you know, like edit your ride, something
fixing with the ride itself to then be able to
go its course. So they needed to actually do something
in the app, inside the uh Waimo app, and then
they were able to take control and regain control of
the car.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
All told, how much time did this take before you
got at least moving towards your destination?
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Man? That was they I guess it was about seven minutes.
The longest seven minutes were you?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Hey, let me put it this way, if you needed
to in an emergency, would you have been able to
get out of the car on your.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Own with anger. You know, if it was more of
a if I found myself in a more of a
dangerous or a threatening situation, I would have had to
kick the windows. Absolutely, I would have had to kick
the windows to do something because I couldn't get out
the car.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
The car seemed like it was moving about ten miles
an hour. Is that accurate?
Speaker 7 (16:28):
That's correct?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Did you try to contact anyone else during this process?
Or you only were in contact with Weimo?
Speaker 7 (16:35):
Thank god it was in the parking lot, so I
didn't feel, you know, any danger or anything like that
that I actually filmed it, like, okay, you know, again stunned,
this is happening, let me document this, and again, great
to god, they already knew that they realized that there
was a problem. That's when they promptly got over their
(16:59):
innercount system start talking that they realized that there was
a problem. I didn't call. I wouldn't even have known
how to contact them.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Did you miss your flight?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I saw conflicting stories about whether you actually missed your
flight or no.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Yeah, did not miss the flight, Thank god there was
a delay. Did not miss the flight. People that reported
that I missed the flight were people that didn't talk
to me.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, I saw the video that you posted on your
LinkedIn page. So this happened a while ago. Has Weimo
reached out since and said, hey, we're real sorry, can
we give you like free rides for life?
Speaker 7 (17:31):
I have not had any communication with Weymo.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Not even like a coupon in your email.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
I haven't received any communication from Weymo.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Damn. Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Now, as a tech professional, you said before I let
you go, you said that, of course this is an
I'm paraphrasing that this is to be expected with technology.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
There's going to be glitches.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Would you, at this point, as a futurist and tech CEO,
recommend Waymo for a lay citizen like me?
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Very good question. I would say this as my answer,
you drive at your risk, at your own risk, that's
your own discretion. So a part of me will say, hey,
data is out there that says, you know, autonomous vehicles
are safer than human vehicles. Once you get into the vehicle,
(18:30):
anything can happen, be it autonomous, be it the human,
anything can happen. As the greatest source out there. But
when it comes to me getting back in the call,
have car having a sense of security, one of the
things that I stand on is that for everyday citizens,
you do not want to be a part of the experiment,
especially when you're having the pain to be in the experiment.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Well, damn, I think that pretty much sums it up.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Mike John's CEO Digital Mind State, How can people reach
out to you and more of your.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Work, Mike Johns dot COEO. We're out here doing a
new thing called Make America Smart with AI, and so
the timing of this again, I'm here at CEF campaigning
on that Make America Smart with AI. There's a new
book that's coming out called Depth of a Job that's
really going to be dialing in on what the world
(19:22):
looks like between twenty twenty five and twenty thirty, which
jobs are going to be here change and also which
ones will be obsolete. Very important because the black and
brown community must pay attention to this. Do not be
a part of the obsolete society.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Mike Johns, you need to come in studio and sit
with us sometime. I know you the LA area.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
We're probably like neighbors and I don't even know it,
So let's stay in touchdown.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
I'd love to get with you Inglewood anytime, say win.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Oh, I'm right outside of Inglewood. That's exactly what I'm
talking about. We're neighbors.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
When come on, you're the big man. You don't even
know what you don't know what. I saw your text.
You were the one right out of you. N l
V helped set up my first interview. That's my love
for you, my first interview with Warner grew Warner, I
remember Warner Way.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, well, let's let's keep this friendship going.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Mm hmmm, Aitherway.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Let me touch my brother.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
All right, thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
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