July 25, 2025 • 17 mins
ICYMI: ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – A conversation with Author and journalist, Von Braschler, who joins the program to help Mo’ deal with a rather uncomfortable reoccurring dreams with tips from his latest book, ‘Programming Your Lucid Dreams,’ the “step-by-step guide for planning lucid dreams that are vivid, colorful, and personally insightful” - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Forty Later with Kelly Live everywhere on social media and Facebook, Instagram,
iHeartRadio app and YouTube.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Author and journalist Von Braschler is a writer on the
subjects of time, human consciousness, and energy healing. His latest book,
Programming Your Lucid Dreams, is a step by step guide
for planning lucid dreams that are vivid, colorful, and personally insightful.
It's my pleasure to welcome Von Braschler to Later with
(00:43):
mo Kelly, first time on the show tonight.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Vaughn, how are you?
Speaker 5 (00:47):
I mean, just great? Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
No, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And this is part of an ongoing conversation I've been
having with the audience and also George Nori.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
You may be familiar with him.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
And I've had these recurring dreams that I don't understand
and I was hoping you first give us some insight
into them, and then I'm curious how I could be
a more successful lucid dreamer.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Sure, I'll give it a go. I mean, I've been
working at this for a while, mostly on myself as
a guinea pig. And you know, and I've kind of
been around the block on this thing, and now I
think I kind of got a handle on it. It
can at least discuss it with you, all right, let's
give it a go.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I had this recurring dream, and it's something I've been
experienced I'll say maybe three four times a year on average,
where I am in some.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Sort of public place.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I've had this dream where I was in the middle
of a mall, shopping mall. I've been in the middle
of a movie theater. I've been on a corner where
I am sitting on the john in process of doing
a number two. I'm being very serious, and then there
is this anxiety of like, well, how am I going
to get myself out of this situation without bringing any
(02:05):
type of attention to myself.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Have you heard that dream before?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yeah, recurring dreams are sometimes frustrating, but they always call
for our attention. May I ask you just a few
questions about the dream before we continue? Now? Is the
dream very vivid?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Oh, it's very vivid.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
It's so vivid where I'm The actual thoughts are like,
I'm recognizing people around me. People are familiar and I'm
thinking like, Okay, where is the toilet paper? How far
do I have to reach? Yeah, it's very very specific,
very detailed, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Very detailed. And is it? Is it colorful? Is it
in color?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah? Most of my dreams are in color. I don't
dream in black and white.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Oh okay, okay, Now are you aware that you're dreaming
and are you conscious of being No?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I am.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I am not a very successful lucid dreamer. All of
my dreams that I have tend to be very realistic.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
In my mind in the moment.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
In other words, I don't think during the dreams like
wait a minute, this can't be happening.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
This does this is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
No, And it's my mind is wired seemingly that I'm
supposed to work out that situation, regardless of how ridiculous
it may seem.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
This is the way most of our dreams go, you know,
they're they're like there were hired or hardwired to analyze
and process information. And when we can't resolve situations, it's frustrating.
So while we go to sleep and we say we're
going to rest and just let it, just kind of
(03:47):
let it simmer and we'll deal with everything. Tomorrow. You know,
sometimes we don't really go to sleep. You know, these
are like sleepless dreams, sleepless nights, and and and the
mind just keep churning away and journing and cherning, and
it keeps trying to analyze it. And as my first teacher,
who is actually a very successful psychic author, said, you know,
(04:13):
when you're when you're asleep and you're you're trying to
process information, is often more difficult than when you're awake,
because you're not you're not fully conscious, you know, And
I think I think this is But but the fact
that you keep have this recurring dream and and and
(04:34):
what are you trying to resolve in the dream? Can
you answer me that?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
No, that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I think on some level it has to be a
metaphor for something I can't solve in my life. Now
I can say that, despite what I do publicly, I'm
not a person who likes being embarrassed. I can hide it,
but it's one of the least enjoyable emotions. And so
there's that has to be connected. I think somehow my
(05:00):
fear of embarrassment.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Okay, well, what's the common thread that you see in
every situation? Where you have this recurring dream, because you
say you've had it in different settings.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
The only conston is I'm in the same predicament where
I'm on the toilet and I have to somehow get
from here to there while avoiding the embarrassment of being
noticed for doing that in public in front of everyone,
Like I don't have any good sense.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if it's really that, or
or it's really something else that you're just you're trying
to get rid of something, disposed of something, resolve something,
process it through you, and come out clean fresh at the.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Other end, follow up, you're probably right because I'm not
trying to have an actual incident where I'm going to
go to the shopping mally.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. So so uh, you know,
And in lucid dreaming, we always ask people, you know, if,
first of all, if they're conscious that they're in the dream,
that's very important, and they're that that they have awareness
of being in the dream, uh and and and this
(06:17):
conscious awareness then will allow them to deal with it.
So one way that I found of dealing with what
I call troublesome dreams and I and I let me
tell you about mine. Mine is where my ex wife
leaves me over and over and over over. Uh you
(06:39):
go ahead, and and and it's like do I miss her? No,
But she keeps doing it and just just keeps hurting me,
and she finds different ways to do it, usually like
she gets us together and then she dumps me at
the end of the dream. And it's like, oh, okay,
I mean this is this is me exposing myself on
the toilet because this is what's inside my head. But
(07:00):
let let's let me share with you how I resolved it.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I set up a lucid dream where I went and
I set up that very dream scenario, and and and
and and I would have that dream, and I planned
and programmed that dream, and I went in and into
it with the plan of actually being having action, taking
(07:25):
action and resolving the situation and resolving it and then
and then having an end to it and into it,
not not only not only you know, because some things
we can't understand, but we just want to come out
the other end cleaned. Right.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, n let me ask you this before we go
to break. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
On the very few times and occasions that I've been
able to have a lucid dream, like I'm aware that
I'm dreaming, and I start redirecting the dream. My mind
becomes too active, and then I find myself waking up
because I'm actively participating.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Yeah, I could help with that. It's really honest. It's
harder to think, you know, it's not that hard. We
can go through it. You know, there's a few little
simple tricks, you know. Gosh, if I can do it,
if anybody can do it. You know. I was, I
was one of these people that had these these these
uh these sweat dreams, you know, all the time, just
(08:24):
having the same horrible dreams over and over and over
and over and long before I had the dream that
I just described, I had other dreams. It would like,
over and over and over, I kept having the same
over the same recurring dream. It was just troublesome. It's
like ow, you know, it's I don't know if if
you ever stepped on the same wounded be before or
(08:46):
or or or you know, I kept I kept hitting
the same toe against the same rock over and over
and over, and finally I said enough enough and I
and I and I just asked they went into the
dream and cleaned it up. You know, there's a lot
of examples of that, you know, like people who see
(09:07):
animals in the dreams, you know, and confront the animal. Well,
you can only confront the animal if you're aware that
you're in a dream and you're having this stream and
it's an animal and you need to actually confront it.
Otherwise it's like an unknown question mark. It's a perplexing
situation and you don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You know, VA, Like, you're so right, because I feel
like I'm starting over each time, because each time I
have the dream, it doesn't appear as familiar. It's not
until I wake up and I realize it's the same
damn dream over and over again from a different vantish
point in a different location. But we got to go
to break. My guest right now is Vaughn Braschler, and
(09:49):
he is author and journalist. His latest book, Programming Your
Lucid Dreams is available right now, and it's it a
step by step guide for planning lucid dreams that are vivid,
colorful and person insightful. More with von Braschler in just
a Moment. It's later with mo Kelly k If. I
am six forty.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty when moo Kelly on.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Six live, everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, and on YouTube
and all over social media. If you just tuning in.
My guest right now is Von Braschler. We're talking about
my dreams and possibly your dreams as well. His latest
book is Programming Your Lucid Dreams. We're gonna pick our
conversation from there. Von, let me bring you back into this.
(10:39):
And you have been so kind as far as being
able to speak to at least my recurring dream but
their other dreams. What would you say about recurring dreams
in general? What on a very general level, what do
they mean?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Well, after all, the one thing we know about dreams,
they are windows to the soul. On any level, are
dreams or windows to the soul. There are things that
are important to you. They're important, they have to be analyzed,
they have to be understood. They have great meaning. And
even if it's just a common nightmare that you cannot resolve,
(11:21):
it's suggesting that something is psychologically really stressing you and
you need to resolve it. If it's something you could
be a dream of prophecy. It could be a dream
of insight. It could be a flashback to something that
you needed to analyze. It could be one of these lucid, vivid,
(11:42):
detailed dreams. But they're always telling us something, They're always
filled with meaning, and when they recur over and over
and over and over again, they're just demanding your attention.
You absolutely need to start writing them down, thinking about them.
It's extremely important to get a handle on it because
(12:06):
it's calling for your attention and it will not let
up until you've you've dealt with the situation. I mean,
you're right in saying that these dreams should be should be,
should be understood. They shouldn't be just swept away. They
should be they should be uh, they should be interpreted
if you can. But I maintain that the only person
(12:28):
really qualified to interpret your dream. I don't know if
you're gonna like this is you, because you're because your
dream is so personal, extremely it's you. It's you talking
to you. It's your inner self talking to you, and
it's saying, look, you know, this is something you know,
you know, and it acts it out for you. It's
like a play, right, It's like little theater you know,
(12:52):
and and and and it's important to like, uh as
it happens over and over and over again, to see
if pattern. And that's why I think it's good to
write it down. You don't have to analyze it if
you don't want, but just write down and some kind
of a journal or a piece of paper or whatever, notebook,
whatever you want to do, just write down an outline
(13:13):
in the dream, an outline person you can see like
some some basic threads, you know, and then and it'll
hit you. Because the important thing is that you just
quietly reflect on it. Don't try to like, you know,
really overthink it. Just quietly reflect on it, be quiet,
and get deep inside yourself. When you do this, you
(13:35):
know that's where the answers will come, because this is
something that's deep rooted. So you have to kind of
get deep inside yourself. So I always say, get very quiet,
lie down, and just and just kind of let that
dream wash over you. Just let it wash over you.
And then and then see see if you can see
(13:56):
the pattern, you know, because you're going to have to.
You're going to have to get a handle on this thing.
The other thing you can do is even if you can't,
if you have trouble setting up the lucid dream. We
could get into that if you want. I mean, it's
not that hard. It's really putting yourself to sleep. But
but but but if you just tell yourself, you give
yourself a like if you want a post hiptotic suggestion,
(14:21):
you're telling yourself that I attend when I, when I
when I, when I dream tonight, if I have this
recurring dream again, then I'm going to be aware of it,
and I'm going to be and I'm going to observe it,
and I'm going to have I'm going to be extremely
aware in the dream. Now, by awareness, I mean not
that you're just you're you're you're you're somewhat savvy about
(14:44):
having the dream, but you have you have then you
have a new set of skills. You have conscious awareness
working for you because in your dream, you know, things
are not going to quite quite look the same. They're
not going to like feel the same, they're not going
to hear the same. You hear sounds, but you don't
hear sounds. It's kind of like thought forms. It's really different.
(15:07):
Is there really a different realm? You know it's a
non physical realm, So you need to have a new
way of dealing with it other than our five physical senses,
which do you no good. You need to develop a
sense of awareness, almost an animal cunning for this. And
I always think of, like dealt with a lot of
(15:31):
people and personally experienced dreams of animals where you know
an animal is chasing you or confronting you, and it's
like sometimes frightening, but sometimes it's like extremely meaning, extremely meaningful.
If you have this over and over and over again,
it indicates to you that an animal is like an
(15:52):
animal spirit is trying to communicate to you. And so
it is with our dreams that are recurring. They're trying
to say something to you, and they'll keep saying it
over and over and over until we simply get quiet
enough to listen and observe it, observe it enough to
uh to uh to see what it is and see
(16:14):
with new eyes, the eyes of awareness.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Vaughn, I wish I had more time with you. I
could speak with you all night. So this is what
I need to happen in the future. I need you
to come back on the show so we can continue this.
We got your number now, because I have all these
questions from listeners that I couldn't even get to. And
I have Mark Runner, our news guy, he has some dreams,
and Stephan, our tech guy who has some dreams. And
(16:38):
the only way we can accommodate everyone is to have
you just come back on for a longer conversation.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, and we could set up a really powerful dream
approach that'll that will really be helpful to people. I
think I look.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Forward to it. He is Vn Brashlar.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
He is the author of Programming Your Lucid Dreams and
Vaughn very quickly. How can people find you on social media?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Go to Von braschlarwebsite dot com. It's pretty easy. Von
Braschlar website dot com.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
That's b R A S C H L E R
dot com.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Ch Yes, sir, yep, yep, b O N yep.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
We're going to do this again.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Great, Thank you, have a great evening, you too, sir.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
k f I A M six forty
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Forty Later with Kelly Live everywhere on social media and Facebook, Instagram,
iHeartRadio app and YouTube.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Author and journalist Von Braschler is a writer on the
subjects of time, human consciousness, and energy healing. His latest book,
Programming Your Lucid Dreams, is a step by step guide
for planning lucid dreams that are vivid, colorful, and personally insightful.
It's my pleasure to welcome Von Braschler to Later with
(00:43):
mo Kelly, first time on the show tonight.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Vaughn, how are you?
Speaker 5 (00:47):
I mean, just great? Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
No, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And this is part of an ongoing conversation I've been
having with the audience and also George Nori.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
You may be familiar with him.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
And I've had these recurring dreams that I don't understand
and I was hoping you first give us some insight
into them, and then I'm curious how I could be
a more successful lucid dreamer.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Sure, I'll give it a go. I mean, I've been
working at this for a while, mostly on myself as
a guinea pig. And you know, and I've kind of
been around the block on this thing, and now I
think I kind of got a handle on it. It
can at least discuss it with you, all right, let's
give it a go.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I had this recurring dream, and it's something I've been
experienced I'll say maybe three four times a year on average,
where I am in some.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Sort of public place.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I've had this dream where I was in the middle
of a mall, shopping mall. I've been in the middle
of a movie theater. I've been on a corner where
I am sitting on the john in process of doing
a number two. I'm being very serious, and then there
is this anxiety of like, well, how am I going
to get myself out of this situation without bringing any
(02:05):
type of attention to myself.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Have you heard that dream before?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yeah, recurring dreams are sometimes frustrating, but they always call
for our attention. May I ask you just a few
questions about the dream before we continue? Now? Is the
dream very vivid?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Oh, it's very vivid.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
It's so vivid where I'm The actual thoughts are like,
I'm recognizing people around me. People are familiar and I'm
thinking like, Okay, where is the toilet paper? How far
do I have to reach? Yeah, it's very very specific,
very detailed, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Very detailed. And is it? Is it colorful? Is it
in color?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah? Most of my dreams are in color. I don't
dream in black and white.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Oh okay, okay, Now are you aware that you're dreaming
and are you conscious of being No?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I am.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I am not a very successful lucid dreamer. All of
my dreams that I have tend to be very realistic.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
In my mind in the moment.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
In other words, I don't think during the dreams like
wait a minute, this can't be happening.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
This does this is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
No, And it's my mind is wired seemingly that I'm
supposed to work out that situation, regardless of how ridiculous
it may seem.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
This is the way most of our dreams go, you know,
they're they're like there were hired or hardwired to analyze
and process information. And when we can't resolve situations, it's frustrating.
So while we go to sleep and we say we're
going to rest and just let it, just kind of
(03:47):
let it simmer and we'll deal with everything. Tomorrow. You know,
sometimes we don't really go to sleep. You know, these
are like sleepless dreams, sleepless nights, and and and the
mind just keep churning away and journing and cherning, and
it keeps trying to analyze it. And as my first teacher,
who is actually a very successful psychic author, said, you know,
(04:13):
when you're when you're asleep and you're you're trying to
process information, is often more difficult than when you're awake,
because you're not you're not fully conscious, you know, And
I think I think this is But but the fact
that you keep have this recurring dream and and and
(04:34):
what are you trying to resolve in the dream? Can
you answer me that?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
No, that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I think on some level it has to be a
metaphor for something I can't solve in my life. Now
I can say that, despite what I do publicly, I'm
not a person who likes being embarrassed. I can hide it,
but it's one of the least enjoyable emotions. And so
there's that has to be connected. I think somehow my
(05:00):
fear of embarrassment.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Okay, well, what's the common thread that you see in
every situation? Where you have this recurring dream, because you
say you've had it in different settings.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
The only conston is I'm in the same predicament where
I'm on the toilet and I have to somehow get
from here to there while avoiding the embarrassment of being
noticed for doing that in public in front of everyone,
Like I don't have any good sense.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if it's really that, or
or it's really something else that you're just you're trying
to get rid of something, disposed of something, resolve something,
process it through you, and come out clean fresh at the.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Other end, follow up, you're probably right because I'm not
trying to have an actual incident where I'm going to
go to the shopping mally.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. So so uh, you know,
And in lucid dreaming, we always ask people, you know, if,
first of all, if they're conscious that they're in the dream,
that's very important, and they're that that they have awareness
of being in the dream, uh and and and this
(06:17):
conscious awareness then will allow them to deal with it.
So one way that I found of dealing with what
I call troublesome dreams and I and I let me
tell you about mine. Mine is where my ex wife
leaves me over and over and over over. Uh you
(06:39):
go ahead, and and and it's like do I miss her? No,
But she keeps doing it and just just keeps hurting me,
and she finds different ways to do it, usually like
she gets us together and then she dumps me at
the end of the dream. And it's like, oh, okay,
I mean this is this is me exposing myself on
the toilet because this is what's inside my head. But
(07:00):
let let's let me share with you how I resolved it.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I set up a lucid dream where I went and
I set up that very dream scenario, and and and
and and I would have that dream, and I planned
and programmed that dream, and I went in and into
it with the plan of actually being having action, taking
(07:25):
action and resolving the situation and resolving it and then
and then having an end to it and into it,
not not only not only you know, because some things
we can't understand, but we just want to come out
the other end cleaned. Right.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, n let me ask you this before we go
to break. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
On the very few times and occasions that I've been
able to have a lucid dream, like I'm aware that
I'm dreaming, and I start redirecting the dream. My mind
becomes too active, and then I find myself waking up
because I'm actively participating.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Yeah, I could help with that. It's really honest. It's
harder to think, you know, it's not that hard. We
can go through it. You know, there's a few little
simple tricks, you know. Gosh, if I can do it,
if anybody can do it. You know. I was, I
was one of these people that had these these these
uh these sweat dreams, you know, all the time, just
(08:24):
having the same horrible dreams over and over and over
and over and long before I had the dream that
I just described, I had other dreams. It would like,
over and over and over, I kept having the same
over the same recurring dream. It was just troublesome. It's
like ow, you know, it's I don't know if if
you ever stepped on the same wounded be before or
(08:46):
or or or you know, I kept I kept hitting
the same toe against the same rock over and over
and over, and finally I said enough enough and I
and I and I just asked they went into the
dream and cleaned it up. You know, there's a lot
of examples of that, you know, like people who see
(09:07):
animals in the dreams, you know, and confront the animal. Well,
you can only confront the animal if you're aware that
you're in a dream and you're having this stream and
it's an animal and you need to actually confront it.
Otherwise it's like an unknown question mark. It's a perplexing
situation and you don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You know, VA, Like, you're so right, because I feel
like I'm starting over each time, because each time I
have the dream, it doesn't appear as familiar. It's not
until I wake up and I realize it's the same
damn dream over and over again from a different vantish
point in a different location. But we got to go
to break. My guest right now is Vaughn Braschler, and
(09:49):
he is author and journalist. His latest book, Programming Your
Lucid Dreams is available right now, and it's it a
step by step guide for planning lucid dreams that are vivid,
colorful and person insightful. More with von Braschler in just
a Moment. It's later with mo Kelly k If. I
am six forty.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty when moo Kelly on.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Six live, everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, and on YouTube
and all over social media. If you just tuning in.
My guest right now is Von Braschler. We're talking about
my dreams and possibly your dreams as well. His latest
book is Programming Your Lucid Dreams. We're gonna pick our
conversation from there. Von, let me bring you back into this.
(10:39):
And you have been so kind as far as being
able to speak to at least my recurring dream but
their other dreams. What would you say about recurring dreams
in general? What on a very general level, what do
they mean?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Well, after all, the one thing we know about dreams,
they are windows to the soul. On any level, are
dreams or windows to the soul. There are things that
are important to you. They're important, they have to be analyzed,
they have to be understood. They have great meaning. And
even if it's just a common nightmare that you cannot resolve,
(11:21):
it's suggesting that something is psychologically really stressing you and
you need to resolve it. If it's something you could
be a dream of prophecy. It could be a dream
of insight. It could be a flashback to something that
you needed to analyze. It could be one of these lucid, vivid,
(11:42):
detailed dreams. But they're always telling us something, They're always
filled with meaning, and when they recur over and over
and over and over again, they're just demanding your attention.
You absolutely need to start writing them down, thinking about them.
It's extremely important to get a handle on it because
(12:06):
it's calling for your attention and it will not let
up until you've you've dealt with the situation. I mean,
you're right in saying that these dreams should be should be,
should be understood. They shouldn't be just swept away. They
should be they should be uh, they should be interpreted
if you can. But I maintain that the only person
(12:28):
really qualified to interpret your dream. I don't know if
you're gonna like this is you, because you're because your
dream is so personal, extremely it's you. It's you talking
to you. It's your inner self talking to you, and
it's saying, look, you know, this is something you know,
you know, and it acts it out for you. It's
like a play, right, It's like little theater you know,
(12:52):
and and and and it's important to like, uh as
it happens over and over and over again, to see
if pattern. And that's why I think it's good to
write it down. You don't have to analyze it if
you don't want, but just write down and some kind
of a journal or a piece of paper or whatever, notebook,
whatever you want to do, just write down an outline
(13:13):
in the dream, an outline person you can see like
some some basic threads, you know, and then and it'll
hit you. Because the important thing is that you just
quietly reflect on it. Don't try to like, you know,
really overthink it. Just quietly reflect on it, be quiet,
and get deep inside yourself. When you do this, you
(13:35):
know that's where the answers will come, because this is
something that's deep rooted. So you have to kind of
get deep inside yourself. So I always say, get very quiet,
lie down, and just and just kind of let that
dream wash over you. Just let it wash over you.
And then and then see see if you can see
(13:56):
the pattern, you know, because you're going to have to.
You're going to have to get a handle on this thing.
The other thing you can do is even if you can't,
if you have trouble setting up the lucid dream. We
could get into that if you want. I mean, it's
not that hard. It's really putting yourself to sleep. But
but but but if you just tell yourself, you give
yourself a like if you want a post hiptotic suggestion,
(14:21):
you're telling yourself that I attend when I, when I
when I, when I dream tonight, if I have this
recurring dream again, then I'm going to be aware of it,
and I'm going to be and I'm going to observe it,
and I'm going to have I'm going to be extremely
aware in the dream. Now, by awareness, I mean not
that you're just you're you're you're you're somewhat savvy about
(14:44):
having the dream, but you have you have then you
have a new set of skills. You have conscious awareness
working for you because in your dream, you know, things
are not going to quite quite look the same. They're
not going to like feel the same, they're not going
to hear the same. You hear sounds, but you don't
hear sounds. It's kind of like thought forms. It's really different.
(15:07):
Is there really a different realm? You know it's a
non physical realm, So you need to have a new
way of dealing with it other than our five physical senses,
which do you no good. You need to develop a
sense of awareness, almost an animal cunning for this. And
I always think of, like dealt with a lot of
(15:31):
people and personally experienced dreams of animals where you know
an animal is chasing you or confronting you, and it's
like sometimes frightening, but sometimes it's like extremely meaning, extremely meaningful.
If you have this over and over and over again,
it indicates to you that an animal is like an
(15:52):
animal spirit is trying to communicate to you. And so
it is with our dreams that are recurring. They're trying
to say something to you, and they'll keep saying it
over and over and over until we simply get quiet
enough to listen and observe it, observe it enough to
uh to uh to see what it is and see
(16:14):
with new eyes, the eyes of awareness.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Vaughn, I wish I had more time with you. I
could speak with you all night. So this is what
I need to happen in the future. I need you
to come back on the show so we can continue this.
We got your number now, because I have all these
questions from listeners that I couldn't even get to. And
I have Mark Runner, our news guy, he has some dreams,
and Stephan, our tech guy who has some dreams. And
(16:38):
the only way we can accommodate everyone is to have
you just come back on for a longer conversation.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, and we could set up a really powerful dream
approach that'll that will really be helpful to people. I
think I look.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Forward to it. He is Vn Brashlar.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
He is the author of Programming Your Lucid Dreams and
Vaughn very quickly. How can people find you on social media?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Go to Von braschlarwebsite dot com. It's pretty easy. Von
Braschlar website dot com.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
That's b R A S C H L E R
dot com.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Ch Yes, sir, yep, yep, b O N yep.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
We're going to do this again.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Great, Thank you, have a great evening, you too, sir.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
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