February 15, 2025 • 15 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from KFI,
a M six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Nature.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Mark talks about pontificates, the pop culture.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Ron and Report with Mark Ronner.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
It's Later with Mo Kelly on KF I am six
forty live everywhere on the iHeart app. I'm Mark Ronner
and it's the Runner Report. This week Captain America, Brave
New World First, my review, then a nerd free for
all with the crew. Maybe we'll hit each other with
folding chairs. That's right, the new movie with a red
Hulk and a black Captain America. Here's the trailer.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Gid's gonna kill all the way.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
See. You know what? I think I got the wrong
trailer here, Garrett Morris, isn't in Captain America A Brave
(01:14):
New World? Here? Maybe maybe this is the right one.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You asked for me.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Here I am you want to help me?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Is there anything you remember.
Speaker 7 (01:31):
Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That is wrong?
Speaker 7 (01:40):
Whatever this is, camp, be careful.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
What do we know? There were five shooters. This was
a coordinated terrorist attack. Sir, I was wartime general. Now
I'm a wartime president. Your inner circle has been compromised.
Let me fix it.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Watch or so.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You're not Steve Rogers, You're right, I'm nah.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
And you kind of need to know some stuff going
into this movie. It picks up a thread and a
character and actor from an older movie, Tim Blake Nelson
as The Leader from two thousand and Eight's The Incredible
Hulk back when Edward Norton was the Hulk. I don't
think they call him the Leader in this movie, and
he doesn't look like he did in the old comics,
but it's nice to finally get a payoff from what
that older movie set up a long time ago. Although
(02:30):
the Leader's been around in comics more than sixty years
and he's one of Hulk's main villains and everybody knows
what he's supposed to look like, maybe it would have
been too silly, like a green cowne head from SNL. Unfortunately,
it also helps if you saw that dull ass Eternals
movie from twenty twenty one and the Black Widow movie
from that same year. Not the cream of the Crop
(02:51):
from Marvel, but look in for a penny, in for
a pounding With these things, at least you don't have
to see Madame Webb or Craven, so you take your
little wins where you can. We know from Avengers End Game,
which you also kind of need to have seen, that
the Steve Rodgers, Captain America from World War Two, who
got thought out to be an Avenger, has shuffled off
to wear socks with sandals while he yells at Wheel
(03:12):
of Fortune or something, and he passed on a shield
to Sam Wilson the Falcon. We also know that William Hurt,
who played General Thunderbolt Ross, passed away in twenty twenty two,
but there's a Marvel franchise to maintain, so he's replaced
by Harrison Ford, who's now President General Ross. Ross seems
to want to give old Chocolate Cap a try and
let bygones be bygones, but he won't take a lot
(03:33):
of static from him and pointedly reminds Sam that you,
like you just heard that he's no Steve Rodgers, which
is a giant ouch moment a message received. There. There's
a mcguffin involving who takes control of an alien super
medal called Adamantium, which makes nerd ears everywhere per Cup,
although I guess the Adamantium stuff is going to come
(03:54):
to fruition and yet another movie, which is one of
a number of things that make this one seem more
like a watchable place of a movie instead of one
that very many people are gonna absolutely love. There is
some skullduggery afoot around the White House that starts with
an attempted hit on the President, and it's tied to
that character from the Old Hulk movie who's been on
ice since then. It's also tied to Isaiah Bradley played
(04:14):
by Carl Lumbley. He was an early black Captain America
super soldier formula guinea pig who got shafted in ways
that comport with real world history. We do know. Let's
just say it didn't get any ticker tape parades. Plot
wise and attitude wise. Brave New World has some things
in common with one of the best Marvel movies, Captain America,
the Winter Soldier, and that Falcon and Winter Soldier mini series.
(04:36):
That said, it's not among the best of the Marvel movies,
but it's nowhere near the worst either. I thought a
lot of the action, and there's plenty of it was
kind of dumb and not sold very well, and I
kept having to remind myself. It's a comic movie. Don't
get hung up on that stuff like physics. Mostly it
involves pardon me, a flying Captain America and his abilities
that are so overpowered that they're more cartoon than comic,
(04:59):
whether it's taken O missiles in the air, or the
unerring magic of his shield throwing, or the fact that
his wings are now somehow kind of giant. Ginsoon knives.
I guess they had to compensate for the fact that
Sam Wilson's character doesn't have powers from that super soldier
serum that Rogers and Bradley took, but less would have
been more. I think this movie shows about the same
respect for physics as RFK Junior does for microbiology. There's
(05:22):
also a running theme of General President Ross being estranged
from his daughter played by liv Tyler back in two
thousand and eight and again here that gets so mawkish
it almost grinds the movie to a halt a couple times.
See Ross is really trying to change, and he does. Look,
if you want subtlety, go watch The Brutalist. So Anthony Mackie,
he's always been more of a supporting actor in Marvel,
(05:45):
and his character's never really been front and center. So
can he carry a movie? I think so sure. But
maybe that's also why they paid the extra for Harrison
Ford here. But listen, I didn't grow up reading superhero
comics just to avoid the elephant in the room like
a dirty cow black Captain America. One paper that I
saw called this movie a woke disaster. I can explain
(06:07):
my feelings about this a lot like how I felt
when I used to work for Child Protective Services a
long time ago. I don't have any greater than average
affinity for children. I don't even have any of my own,
but I do have a white hot instant hatred for
anyone who would harm children. You see where I'm going
with this. Captain America is a comic character, and yes,
the black partner taken over the role was part of
(06:28):
the comics, in fact, written by I think my former
friend Ed Brubaker about a decade ago. It's a good
storyline and it's meant to address racism to a degree.
I think Bucky the Winter Soldier also filled in for
Cap for a while. It's comics. They try everything, but
I don't need any of that to justify saying that
if anyone has a problem with the Black Cap. Their
tears nourish me as much as the tears of anyone
(06:51):
who complained about the super Bowl halftime show, or who
couldn't choke down that the Democratic National Convention looked like
showtime at the Apollo. And you better believe that the
old Stanley Soapbox and the old Marvel Comics was crystal
clear on that issue, although he tended to say things
like excelsior instead of suck it, bigots. I admired that
(07:13):
the movie took a stab at some relevant themes, even
if the end result is more of a Captain a
e Mehica. Anyone who complains comics superhero movies getting political
or touching on social issues just doesn't understand any of it.
Maybe you just want to see muscular guys frollicking with
each other, I mean, punching each other. But comics have
always done this, all the way back to the one
(07:34):
in nineteen in the forties with Cap socking Hitler in
the jaw was punching Hitler. Woke get out of here
with that nonsense. I think if I were to pick
any already existing comic story to adapt to a mini
series today, it'd be the Hard Traveling Heroes series with
Green Lantern and Green Arrow from the early seventies, where
they travel around the old us of A and deal
(07:54):
with issues from racism to drug addiction. Look it up
if you don't know it. It's by Danny O'Neill and Adams,
and it's one of the all time greats. My words,
Speedy is a junkie. I love that stuff. Of course.
The most shocking thing now is that a single adult
man has a young male ward. That's a whole nother thing.
And I will not let Moe drag me into that,
no matter how hard he tries. I'm just gonna say.
(08:16):
I'm just gonna say this. This is why in the
sixties Batman Show they brought Aunt Harriet on board so
Bruce and Dick weren't left of frolic in Wayne manor
by themselves. You can't have that, Mo, you can't have that.
I'm going to leave that alone. I'm going to reserve
my remarks about chocolate cap. You like that?
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Yes, And the next segment, as we'll have the last
rest of the crew chied me in about what they
thought about the movie. I want to make sure you
had your full uninterrupted commentary and space to flesh out
everything you thought about the movie, and we'll have our
say when we come back.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Last segment, we had Mark Ronner in his run on
a report give his review of Captain America A Brave
New World. Now the Fellas will give hours. We all
saw the movie at the same time, same theater, same showing,
so we had, for the most part, the same experience,
and I think just by listening to Mark we perceive
(09:18):
the movie and varying levels of enjoyment. We are not
all going to be the same on this one. Toilette,
I think you have the most to say take it away.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Maybe not the most to say, but I think the
perspective that I have and from hearing Mark and talking
to different people today has really informed my review in
that I like this film a lot. I like it
a lot because I am into all things Marvel Cinematic
(09:48):
Universe and Marvel comics. This is a film that did
not need to be great for me because I already
like what Marvel is giving me. What I needed this
to do is tie up all of the loose threads
that were introduced through Sam Wilson and when he was
first brought in in Winter Soldier. There's been a lot
(10:10):
of story connected to that character beyond the comics, just
just in the film and television universe that I needed
to see come to a head. Did they fully develop
the character And what I saw on the screen was
a fully realized Captain America as the story should progress.
When we first met him, he was awed by Captain
(10:32):
America and he made uncomfortable, you know, somewhat off putting
jokes at Tazer are like, this isn't the moment to
be funny, and Cap played it straight in this film.
He said things that were funny, but he was not
joking anywhere in this film. He was very serious about
who he was and he recognized who he was to
(10:54):
the world. That was very important to me, beyond paying
off so many beautiful, gorgeous threads that I wanted to
see brought together. It brought everything that we saw from
Falconing the Winter Soldier, everything we saw from Incredible Holp,
from the Eternals, from Black Widow. Stories that had nothing
(11:16):
to do with Cap on the surface, but they still
put it on him to do one thing, and this
is the most important thing that this film did. It
moved the entirety of the Marvel Cinematic Universe forward, saying,
anyone who wants to get on board with the Marvel
Cinematic Universe and where we're going, this is your starting point.
This is the film where you get on, where you
(11:37):
get to see how the next phase of the Marvel
Cinematic Universe is built, exactly how Captain America First Avenger
did for the Marvel Cinematic Universe to begin with.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
For me, it was much more simple. I didn't dislike
the movie. I thought it was good. I thought the
action scenes were very entertaining over all, enjoyed it, despite
what Mark is trying to do has slander me with
my snoring, but that aside that. Notwithstanding, I thought the
trailers showed too much as far as what was shown
(12:12):
in the movie. The trailer shows so much I was
thinking that, Okay, they must have this big reveal that
they're holding back. Spoiler it doesn't happen. So you've seen
a lot of the movie and the plot points and
the reasoning for a lot of what you see in
the trailers.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I did not like that.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Anthony Macking's performance I was fine with and it was
a continuation of the growth of not only him as
an actor, but also him into the character and the
growth of Sam Wilson into being Captain America. And that
is paid off through the Falcon and Winter Soldiers series
where you see him go through his paces as far
(12:50):
as learning how to throw the shield, learning how to
step into the moment, learning to forge his own identity
which is separate from Steve Rodgers. And you see more
that when Harrison Thunderbolt Ross says you're not Steve Rodgers,
he basically said, mother, father, Yes, I know this, and
I'm not trying to be Steve Rogers. I'm gonna see
it again on Sunday and have probably more thoughts about it.
(13:13):
But it didn't need to save the Marvel Universe. It
wasn't supposed to. I love the tonality of it because
it took us back to The Winter Soldier, which is
the best MCU movie as far as I'm concerned, and
people forget. When The Winter Soldier debuted, it had middling
reviews and financially did not do great out the gate.
(13:34):
It grew in its fandom over the course of years.
Anthony Mack will be fine. And if you don't like
him as Captain America because you have some hang up
which is not connected to the comics or is not
connected to his actual performance, foh, I don't care.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Stephen.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
What'd you think about the movie last night?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I guess as an outsider, I would say it was
pretty good, but you kind of took the word right
out of my mouth. I was like, we kind of
saw a majority of in the theater in the trailer.
It kind of gave away I think a little bit
too much. But the action was fun and I don't
know a lot about about it, but it was kind
of cool seeing a Red Hulk.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
I think one thing that my biggest critique of the
film is that it relies too much on you being
a super fan or you having a great depth of
knowledge of the Marvel cinematic universe, at least even the
comic threads aside, It did rely too much on individuals
(14:43):
knowing what was going on. They jumped into this film
and it's like, hey, everyone, we're just moving this long.
We're not We're not going to set anything up. Everything's
already been set up. And I think there are way
fewer people like me who know everything, and that is
what's going to make this film suffers because there's not
an people who are gonna know enough about it to
(15:03):
appreciate what was done.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
This one other things before we get on with name
that movie called classic. It also debuted in only like
forty one hundred theaters. Where you have a movie like
Deadpool and Wolverine which is in I think forty five
hundred theaters, that is significant. You can't talk about box
office if you have movie theaters which are not even
showing the movie, which would probably do better than any
(15:26):
theater any movie that they're already showing. So I could
do a long dissertation about how the headwinds of people
resisting Anthony Mackie as Captain America reverberates beyond just fandom,
but even actual movie theaters which are resistant to the idea.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from KFI,
a M six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Nature.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Mark talks about pontificates, the pop culture.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Ron and Report with Mark Ronner.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
It's Later with Mo Kelly on KF I am six
forty live everywhere on the iHeart app. I'm Mark Ronner
and it's the Runner Report. This week Captain America, Brave
New World First, my review, then a nerd free for
all with the crew. Maybe we'll hit each other with
folding chairs. That's right, the new movie with a red
Hulk and a black Captain America. Here's the trailer.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Gid's gonna kill all the way.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
See. You know what? I think I got the wrong
trailer here, Garrett Morris, isn't in Captain America A Brave
(01:14):
New World? Here? Maybe maybe this is the right one.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You asked for me.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Here I am you want to help me?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Is there anything you remember.
Speaker 7 (01:31):
Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That is wrong?
Speaker 7 (01:40):
Whatever this is, camp, be careful.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
What do we know? There were five shooters. This was
a coordinated terrorist attack. Sir, I was wartime general. Now
I'm a wartime president. Your inner circle has been compromised.
Let me fix it.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Watch or so.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You're not Steve Rogers, You're right, I'm nah.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
And you kind of need to know some stuff going
into this movie. It picks up a thread and a
character and actor from an older movie, Tim Blake Nelson
as The Leader from two thousand and Eight's The Incredible
Hulk back when Edward Norton was the Hulk. I don't
think they call him the Leader in this movie, and
he doesn't look like he did in the old comics,
but it's nice to finally get a payoff from what
that older movie set up a long time ago. Although
(02:30):
the Leader's been around in comics more than sixty years
and he's one of Hulk's main villains and everybody knows
what he's supposed to look like, maybe it would have
been too silly, like a green cowne head from SNL. Unfortunately,
it also helps if you saw that dull ass Eternals
movie from twenty twenty one and the Black Widow movie
from that same year. Not the cream of the Crop
(02:51):
from Marvel, but look in for a penny, in for
a pounding With these things, at least you don't have
to see Madame Webb or Craven, so you take your
little wins where you can. We know from Avengers End Game,
which you also kind of need to have seen, that
the Steve Rodgers, Captain America from World War Two, who
got thought out to be an Avenger, has shuffled off
to wear socks with sandals while he yells at Wheel
(03:12):
of Fortune or something, and he passed on a shield
to Sam Wilson the Falcon. We also know that William Hurt,
who played General Thunderbolt Ross, passed away in twenty twenty two,
but there's a Marvel franchise to maintain, so he's replaced
by Harrison Ford, who's now President General Ross. Ross seems
to want to give old Chocolate Cap a try and
let bygones be bygones, but he won't take a lot
(03:33):
of static from him and pointedly reminds Sam that you,
like you just heard that he's no Steve Rodgers, which
is a giant ouch moment a message received. There. There's
a mcguffin involving who takes control of an alien super
medal called Adamantium, which makes nerd ears everywhere per Cup,
although I guess the Adamantium stuff is going to come
(03:54):
to fruition and yet another movie, which is one of
a number of things that make this one seem more
like a watchable place of a movie instead of one
that very many people are gonna absolutely love. There is
some skullduggery afoot around the White House that starts with
an attempted hit on the President, and it's tied to
that character from the Old Hulk movie who's been on
ice since then. It's also tied to Isaiah Bradley played
(04:14):
by Carl Lumbley. He was an early black Captain America
super soldier formula guinea pig who got shafted in ways
that comport with real world history. We do know. Let's
just say it didn't get any ticker tape parades. Plot
wise and attitude wise. Brave New World has some things
in common with one of the best Marvel movies, Captain America,
the Winter Soldier, and that Falcon and Winter Soldier mini series.
(04:36):
That said, it's not among the best of the Marvel movies,
but it's nowhere near the worst either. I thought a
lot of the action, and there's plenty of it was
kind of dumb and not sold very well, and I
kept having to remind myself. It's a comic movie. Don't
get hung up on that stuff like physics. Mostly it
involves pardon me, a flying Captain America and his abilities
that are so overpowered that they're more cartoon than comic,
(04:59):
whether it's taken O missiles in the air, or the
unerring magic of his shield throwing, or the fact that
his wings are now somehow kind of giant. Ginsoon knives.
I guess they had to compensate for the fact that
Sam Wilson's character doesn't have powers from that super soldier
serum that Rogers and Bradley took, but less would have
been more. I think this movie shows about the same
respect for physics as RFK Junior does for microbiology. There's
(05:22):
also a running theme of General President Ross being estranged
from his daughter played by liv Tyler back in two
thousand and eight and again here that gets so mawkish
it almost grinds the movie to a halt a couple times.
See Ross is really trying to change, and he does. Look,
if you want subtlety, go watch The Brutalist. So Anthony Mackie,
he's always been more of a supporting actor in Marvel,
(05:45):
and his character's never really been front and center. So
can he carry a movie? I think so sure. But
maybe that's also why they paid the extra for Harrison
Ford here. But listen, I didn't grow up reading superhero
comics just to avoid the elephant in the room like
a dirty cow black Captain America. One paper that I
saw called this movie a woke disaster. I can explain
(06:07):
my feelings about this a lot like how I felt
when I used to work for Child Protective Services a
long time ago. I don't have any greater than average
affinity for children. I don't even have any of my own,
but I do have a white hot instant hatred for
anyone who would harm children. You see where I'm going
with this. Captain America is a comic character, and yes,
the black partner taken over the role was part of
(06:28):
the comics, in fact, written by I think my former
friend Ed Brubaker about a decade ago. It's a good
storyline and it's meant to address racism to a degree.
I think Bucky the Winter Soldier also filled in for
Cap for a while. It's comics. They try everything, but
I don't need any of that to justify saying that
if anyone has a problem with the Black Cap. Their
tears nourish me as much as the tears of anyone
(06:51):
who complained about the super Bowl halftime show, or who
couldn't choke down that the Democratic National Convention looked like
showtime at the Apollo. And you better believe that the
old Stanley Soapbox and the old Marvel Comics was crystal
clear on that issue, although he tended to say things
like excelsior instead of suck it, bigots. I admired that
(07:13):
the movie took a stab at some relevant themes, even
if the end result is more of a Captain a
e Mehica. Anyone who complains comics superhero movies getting political
or touching on social issues just doesn't understand any of it.
Maybe you just want to see muscular guys frollicking with
each other, I mean, punching each other. But comics have
always done this, all the way back to the one
(07:34):
in nineteen in the forties with Cap socking Hitler in
the jaw was punching Hitler. Woke get out of here
with that nonsense. I think if I were to pick
any already existing comic story to adapt to a mini
series today, it'd be the Hard Traveling Heroes series with
Green Lantern and Green Arrow from the early seventies, where
they travel around the old us of A and deal
(07:54):
with issues from racism to drug addiction. Look it up
if you don't know it. It's by Danny O'Neill and Adams,
and it's one of the all time greats. My words,
Speedy is a junkie. I love that stuff. Of course.
The most shocking thing now is that a single adult
man has a young male ward. That's a whole nother thing.
And I will not let Moe drag me into that,
no matter how hard he tries. I'm just gonna say.
(08:16):
I'm just gonna say this. This is why in the
sixties Batman Show they brought Aunt Harriet on board so
Bruce and Dick weren't left of frolic in Wayne manor
by themselves. You can't have that, Mo, you can't have that.
I'm going to leave that alone. I'm going to reserve
my remarks about chocolate cap. You like that?
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Yes, And the next segment, as we'll have the last
rest of the crew chied me in about what they
thought about the movie. I want to make sure you
had your full uninterrupted commentary and space to flesh out
everything you thought about the movie, and we'll have our
say when we come back.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Last segment, we had Mark Ronner in his run on
a report give his review of Captain America A Brave
New World. Now the Fellas will give hours. We all
saw the movie at the same time, same theater, same showing,
so we had, for the most part, the same experience,
and I think just by listening to Mark we perceive
(09:18):
the movie and varying levels of enjoyment. We are not
all going to be the same on this one. Toilette,
I think you have the most to say take it away.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Maybe not the most to say, but I think the
perspective that I have and from hearing Mark and talking
to different people today has really informed my review in
that I like this film a lot. I like it
a lot because I am into all things Marvel Cinematic
(09:48):
Universe and Marvel comics. This is a film that did
not need to be great for me because I already
like what Marvel is giving me. What I needed this
to do is tie up all of the loose threads
that were introduced through Sam Wilson and when he was
first brought in in Winter Soldier. There's been a lot
(10:10):
of story connected to that character beyond the comics, just
just in the film and television universe that I needed
to see come to a head. Did they fully develop
the character And what I saw on the screen was
a fully realized Captain America as the story should progress.
When we first met him, he was awed by Captain
(10:32):
America and he made uncomfortable, you know, somewhat off putting
jokes at Tazer are like, this isn't the moment to
be funny, and Cap played it straight in this film.
He said things that were funny, but he was not
joking anywhere in this film. He was very serious about
who he was and he recognized who he was to
(10:54):
the world. That was very important to me, beyond paying
off so many beautiful, gorgeous threads that I wanted to
see brought together. It brought everything that we saw from
Falconing the Winter Soldier, everything we saw from Incredible Holp,
from the Eternals, from Black Widow. Stories that had nothing
(11:16):
to do with Cap on the surface, but they still
put it on him to do one thing, and this
is the most important thing that this film did. It
moved the entirety of the Marvel Cinematic Universe forward, saying,
anyone who wants to get on board with the Marvel
Cinematic Universe and where we're going, this is your starting point.
This is the film where you get on, where you
(11:37):
get to see how the next phase of the Marvel
Cinematic Universe is built, exactly how Captain America First Avenger
did for the Marvel Cinematic Universe to begin with.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
For me, it was much more simple. I didn't dislike
the movie. I thought it was good. I thought the
action scenes were very entertaining over all, enjoyed it, despite
what Mark is trying to do has slander me with
my snoring, but that aside that. Notwithstanding, I thought the
trailers showed too much as far as what was shown
(12:12):
in the movie. The trailer shows so much I was
thinking that, Okay, they must have this big reveal that
they're holding back. Spoiler it doesn't happen. So you've seen
a lot of the movie and the plot points and
the reasoning for a lot of what you see in
the trailers.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I did not like that.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Anthony Macking's performance I was fine with and it was
a continuation of the growth of not only him as
an actor, but also him into the character and the
growth of Sam Wilson into being Captain America. And that
is paid off through the Falcon and Winter Soldiers series
where you see him go through his paces as far
(12:50):
as learning how to throw the shield, learning how to
step into the moment, learning to forge his own identity
which is separate from Steve Rodgers. And you see more
that when Harrison Thunderbolt Ross says you're not Steve Rodgers,
he basically said, mother, father, Yes, I know this, and
I'm not trying to be Steve Rogers. I'm gonna see
it again on Sunday and have probably more thoughts about it.
(13:13):
But it didn't need to save the Marvel Universe. It
wasn't supposed to. I love the tonality of it because
it took us back to The Winter Soldier, which is
the best MCU movie as far as I'm concerned, and
people forget. When The Winter Soldier debuted, it had middling
reviews and financially did not do great out the gate.
(13:34):
It grew in its fandom over the course of years.
Anthony Mack will be fine. And if you don't like
him as Captain America because you have some hang up
which is not connected to the comics or is not
connected to his actual performance, foh, I don't care.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Stephen.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
What'd you think about the movie last night?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I guess as an outsider, I would say it was
pretty good, but you kind of took the word right
out of my mouth. I was like, we kind of
saw a majority of in the theater in the trailer.
It kind of gave away I think a little bit
too much. But the action was fun and I don't
know a lot about about it, but it was kind
of cool seeing a Red Hulk.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
I think one thing that my biggest critique of the
film is that it relies too much on you being
a super fan or you having a great depth of
knowledge of the Marvel cinematic universe, at least even the
comic threads aside, It did rely too much on individuals
(14:43):
knowing what was going on. They jumped into this film
and it's like, hey, everyone, we're just moving this long.
We're not We're not going to set anything up. Everything's
already been set up. And I think there are way
fewer people like me who know everything, and that is
what's going to make this film suffers because there's not
an people who are gonna know enough about it to
(15:03):
appreciate what was done.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
This one other things before we get on with name
that movie called classic. It also debuted in only like
forty one hundred theaters. Where you have a movie like
Deadpool and Wolverine which is in I think forty five
hundred theaters, that is significant. You can't talk about box
office if you have movie theaters which are not even
showing the movie, which would probably do better than any
(15:26):
theater any movie that they're already showing. So I could
do a long dissertation about how the headwinds of people
resisting Anthony Mackie as Captain America reverberates beyond just fandom,
but even actual movie theaters which are resistant to the idea.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
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