May 2, 2025 • 18 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – The debut of “The Sex Doctor Is In” w/ Sam Zia, MA LMFT (#106352), PhD Candidate, Human Sexuality; setting off this new segment examining all the ways in-which EVERYONE engages in gender affirming care - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Quicker joining us in studio right now, we have a
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(00:36):
The Sex Doctor is in and he'll see us now.
His name is Sam Zea. You've heard him different times
on the show, but now we want to make him
a permanent resident here.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Sam.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It is great to see you, and I know people
get to see you probably for the first time.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I assume, yeah, yeah, I mean I've been on your show.
We've been doing the streaming, so that's usually the first
place where where people will catch me. But I've been
I want you know, I've been on the board here
for like two decades. Here y if I So while
I was doing that, I've been going and pursuing my education.
So I've got while while working in this building, I
got a master's degree in clinical psychology and now getting
(01:10):
a PhD in human sexuality.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So you are the sex doctor. Yeah, okay, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So when we talk about these issues, sometimes it may
be humorous, but other times there's some legitimate issues to discuss.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What's on your mind tonight?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
That I think that that you may think that we've
been missing in the discussion of some of these issues
surrounding sex and gender.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Well, a big topic that's been controversial recently, over the
last five or six years especially, it's been pretty politically
chargedes gender affirming care. And you know, I'm not here
to argue with anybody or changing anybody's minds or opinions
on it. Everybody's got their opinions, and if you have
a problem with it, I always I just view it
as being just that it's your opinion. It's your opinion,
(01:51):
it's your problem, not going to change it, it's not
my problem. That's not what I'm here for. But it
occurred to me recently that despite everybody out there seemingly
has very strong opinions on the topic. Very few people
actually know what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Okay, let's down deep.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I was on uh, I was on social media, and
I saw an ad for a product for men that
was made to make larger men look skinnier, a man girdle,
and I am you know, it was late at night,
I had, Yeah, I just come home from karaook, I
had a couple I was ready to go to bed,
and I I just you know, smart ass posts on
there that counts as gender affirming care? Oh because and immediately, oh,
(02:34):
I woke up the next morning and I saw a
rush of people sit in there saying that does that's
not gender affirming care.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
That's not that.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Gender firming care is having surgery to change your your
from male to female, or metal or some sort of
use of pharmaceutical products.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, So, like you know, usually medical interventions for that
are like hormone treatment, surgery, puberty block puberty blockers. Those
are the things that people are most familiar, you're with now,
most people associated with just those medical interventions. But really
the guy one person had the very smart ass comment
on it, Oh, Google is so free, You're wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And I go and I google it and the first thing.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
It says that gender affirming care is a series of social, psychological,
and medical treatments. Okay, so immediately people are only associating
it with those medical treatments, but they're not paying attention
to the social and psychological interventions.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Therapy is one.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
A lot of years of therapy usually has to go
into it before people are going to make those transitions.
But social transitioning, one major social intervention is adjusting personal
appearance to align with gender identity. And that's what a
man girdle is doing in that moment.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It is better identify with the idea of the gender
of being male.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, for that individual, their idea of what's manly is
looking a little thinner is. And you can even for
women putting on makeup, wearing high heels, or for guys
wearing lifts in their shoes, that is gender affirming it
You are looking more like what your personal ideal that
of what your gender should be.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I always make the distinction. There's a difference between sex
and gender. Sex is how we're born. Gender is how
we want to present ourselves to society, yeah, or how
society defines us.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
And different societies have different ideas of what genders are,
and it's a social construct versus what biologically we are. Biologically,
what we are is what we are. People can have
surgeries to change genders and be and to have their
bodies match what their gender is, what their personal identity
of their gender is. But it's not just people who
are trying to transition from male to female or female
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to male.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
People.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
All of us, every single one of us, engages in
gender affirming care.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Can you give us some other examples?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
For women wearing makeup, high heel shoes, or if you
want to go distray up medical only, breast implants, getting
your lips enlarged.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
All of that is GBL care.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, bbl's gender affirming care, guys, if you're gonna be
going out there. Other forms of it are like hair plugs,
getting lipos so that you have a six pack.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Now, don't run pass to hair plugs because men have
been doing that for literal decades because it affirms their manhood,
or at least their concept of it.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
So, really, the concept of gender affirming care only became
controversial when we exclusively assigned the meaning of it towards
people who are transitioning from one gender to another. Or
having or we're trying in that process of transitioning, instead
of looking at it from the perspective of every single
one of us has access to care that affirms our gender,
(05:48):
and all of us do it, every single one of us.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Okay, I know there's someone listening right now who is
probably of the mind it's like Sam the sex doctor.
I understand the point that you're trying to make, but
it feel like, you know, you can't maybe articulate it correctly,
but it feels like you're reaching where someone who's going
through sexual reassignment surgery is not the same thing as
a guy who's wearing lifts.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
No, but they're I mean, the spectrum of people, for example,
within the transgender computer community goes from people who are
planning on having surgery to people who are not having
surgery at all. They may just be taking hormones, or
they may just be doing social interventions in psychological interventions,
no medical interventions. So really the definition of it that
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really we have to focus on that social transitioning, that
one social intervention adjusting personal appearance to align with that
individual's gender identity. It doesn't you don't have to be
trans to engage in adjusting personal appearance to.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Align with gender identity.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I'm doing it right now in the clothes I'm wearing,
wearing Jeanes of a button up T shirt this, and
it makes me look like I'm, you know, relatively well kept.
I have a beard. This is all gender affirming care
that I'm doing for myself. It makes me feel more
like like it's reflecting my personal gender identity.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Let's talk about the co I'll say, the merge of
history and sociology. Why do you believe gender and the
expression of it is so damn important in America in
twenty twenty five as opposed to because if you know,
through history, the whole idea of gender was less important
(07:28):
in Greek societies and other societies. Why do you think
in America is such a big damn deal.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Well, a lot of people like to have certainty and
like to be have comfort and familiarity and things that
make them, you know, like it's easy to be able
to just say men and women and not have any
gray area in between, just and a lot of people
try to associate religious things behind that as well. But
really a lot of times people don't just aren't paying
(07:55):
attention to the fact that gender people. There have been
thousands of you know, years, and people throughout history have
identified with things that are beyond just man, yes, woman,
and not just that. Socially, what people do is, you know,
what's acceptable for men to do in one place out here,
(08:16):
Like say, in America, it's not necessarily acceptable for me
to hold another dude's hand and kiss him on the cheek,
right m hm, as a straight I'm a straight, a straight.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Guy, that's pretty unacceptable.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But if I go to Iran right now, guys are
holding hands with each other, kissing each other on the
cheek just to say hi.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Go to France and see that. Yeah, So that's the thing.
All of this stuff is cultural and social.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
When it comes to what is the acceptable gender expression.
Here in America, we have very like polarized views of gender.
Either it's only two man and woman and just that,
or people saying it's one thousand and one flavors of
the rainbow and all of that stuff. And I'm not
here to argue one way or the other on that.
(08:58):
I just think that the idea of gender of firming
care is being falsely demonized when all of us are
engaging in that, and people honestly the people who seem
to be engaging in the most gender affirming care are
the alpha males air quotes air quotes alpha males, or
some people tend to look at their guns as signs
of masculinity.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That amosexuals right there. The people who actually like putting
as the real man.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
People who have as their gender identity amosexual. But that's
actual more of a sexual preference than gender identity. But
that's another story. They prefer having sex with ammo. That's
some of them. I haven't seen that part of sexuality
that deeply yet. I haven't researched that part yet.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
The sex doctor Sam Zea is in and we have
another segment with him, so stay right here.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
There's much more to discuss. It's Later with Moe Kelly.
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Got a nice message from Mario who's in the YouTube chat,
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leave it at that. Join instance studio is our new
(10:27):
regular commentator, the sex doctor sam Zia.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He's in and he will now see us as his patient.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
We had a really important question that I want to
address which was posed in the chat. This comes from
miss Rachel and it says, can you explain how gender
affirming care supports mental and sexual health for transgender and
non binary individuals during and after transition?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
There's a lot there.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Oh yeah, it supports it in every way you mentioned
psychologically and sexually. Mental health wise, you need to go
through quite a bit of therapy and counseling so that
it becomes like, you know, between your doctor, you, your therapist,
and all the people around you kind of a team
that's working together towards you transitioning. So they're going to
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make sure that before, during, and after whatever if you
are getting the surgery or if you're taking hormone therapy
or whatever it is, that you are covering yourself emotionally
either you know, if you need to go see a psychiatrist,
then that's going to be part of the game. But
really making sure that talk therapy is part of the
whole process is a big thing. Afterwards, then going through
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you know, like as far as actual physical if you
have surgery, there's going to be various forms of care
that goes you know, physical care, there's going to be
you know, we were talking about various forms of gender
affirming care in the last segment. One of them that
I'm not sure if we mentioned was penil implants.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And first, that's a medical intervention.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
That's a medical intervention for people who are either transitioning
or not. Penile implants are things that people get, so
that's something that you know, that's part of the game.
Some of those penile implants are mechanical, So if you
if you're looking to actually have a functional penis as
far as sexually functional penises go, there are mechanical things
(12:24):
that go within it, inserts that go within it that
make it so that you can achieve arousal. You know,
there's pumps, there's different mechanisms that I know. To be
delicate with this, I really am, but I mean there's
a pump that gets inserted into the scrotum that you
it's like a it's like a rebock pump in there.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
For those who are old enough to remember the reboc pump.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, so that's the thing. It's like, there's quite a
few different interventions. It just depends on which form of
gender affirming care. If you are transgender, which form of
affirming gender care you're going for. Some people are not
having the search. They're just sticking with hormones. Some people
are not doing hormones or surgery and they're just doing
social interventions such as pronoun changes, name changes, things like that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Again, I'm thinking about people who may be listening who
may not have a level of comfort with this subject matter.
We started off talking about gender affirming care, non transitional
yeah people, And I remember we had this conversation last
week off air and I said, I'd never really thought
of it that way. What are some of the other
(13:32):
ways that I would say straight CIS men are trying
to reaffirm their own gender that we may not have
historically customarily thought of as such.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
People who you see it a lot when the bodybuilder
competitions guys with giant muscles, that's very much gender affirming
for guys various behaviors. Hunting is a gender affirming behavior
for a lot of guys. So it's an expression of
our manhood exactly. Anything that people equate with manliness that
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can be conceived or be perceived as gender affirming.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
In the way that we look at a woman's role,
air quotes, or the activities that they may involve themselves
in as gender affirming.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Now people are looking at it from like everybody gender affirming,
like from a global perspective, when what's gender affirming is
up to that individual.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So and society is kind of laid out.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, society definitely draws the boundaries of what's acceptable, but
at the same time that one person's individual gender identity
determines what their behaviors typically are.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I remember growing up and my father was very much
about this is how a man is supposed to act,
this is what a man supposed to do, and this
is how a man is supposed to sit. And I
remember my father sitting me down and saying, hey, a
man does not cross his legs.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now, he can put his ankle.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Across is knee, but he does not cross his legs
like a woman. How how much are we programmed to
be a man or a woman as opposed to just
who we want to be?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Well, how much we're programmed almost one hundred percent, because
not all of us are born with that idea of
I can't cross my legs. Not everybody is born with
you shouldn't do that because you're you know, that's not
what men do. Not at that, That's something that's very
much taught. That's why gender is very much a social
construct versus you know, biological sex that.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
You have to draw the distinction.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
The biggest problem right now when people have this discussion
is the conflation of.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Sex and gender.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Absolutely. Now let's talk about the scientific portion real quick.
You know, someone will say, well, I'm I'm a man
or male at least because I have a Y chromosome.
Where does the science come out as far as the
excess and.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Wise, But you can have the X and Y chromosome
and be female on a sex level. On a phenotype level,
phenotype is what we look like. Genotype is what genetically
we are, what our chromosomes are. So genetically you may
have somebody who is genetically male, but phenotype, what they're
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presenting physically is female, and that is that their choice
or something that's what they're biologically born as. And this
is something that is an interesting Now you're exploding my
head trying yeah, no, this is and this is something
that wasn't I didn't even think that I was going
to mention this, but now that's here, I definitely should.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
When people when babies are born intersex.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Because people are like, you're either male or female, they
discount the fact that, like some studies say, two percent
of the population is born intersex. Now, if you have
a baby who's born presenting both male and female genitalia,
that birth is considered a medical emergency, and at that
moment the doctors have to talk with the parents to
(17:02):
determine make a decision. Yeah, make a decision either or
can't be both, doesn't matter if they choose wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
The oh okay, so.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
So you're there to tell you one way or the other,
which way they think they are, which way they naturally are.
But it's a medical emergency that requires immediate intervention.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
If I understand you correctly.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Since that medical procedure decision is being made by the parents,
separate and distinct of what the child may grow up
and feel internally, there may be some sort of not
even a contradiction, but some sort of internal struggle bingo.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
And when you talk about limiting gender affirming care, because
that's the thing. All of us have access to gender
affirming care, but it seems like politically we only want
to we want to limit it from a specific part
of the population. Now, the thing is that gender affirming
care may be the only relief for people like that,
the people who were born, but the parents had to
make a choice and they chose something that wasn't actually
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what that kid ended up becoming or what actually was.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
This is fascinating.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
So the one thing that you can do, the one
intervention that they had to get psychological, physic, physiological relief
from all of it is now has now become a
political football.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
So when I cut my hair short, that's gender of
firm and care as opposed to letting it grow long,
because we think a female gender expression is long hair.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Depending on what part of the world you are, you
or it could be different.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Ah, Sam to sex Doctor, nice introduction. Yeah, I come
back next week.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I will.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I would definitely be here next week. I got more
fun stuff to talk about.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Sam to sex Doctor is now leaving the building, It's
laid with mo Kelly.
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Quicker joining us in studio right now, we have a
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(00:36):
The Sex Doctor is in and he'll see us now.
His name is Sam Zea. You've heard him different times
on the show, but now we want to make him
a permanent resident here.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Sam.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It is great to see you, and I know people
get to see you probably for the first time.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I assume, yeah, yeah, I mean I've been on your show.
We've been doing the streaming, so that's usually the first
place where where people will catch me. But I've been
I want you know, I've been on the board here
for like two decades. Here y if I So while
I was doing that, I've been going and pursuing my education.
So I've got while while working in this building, I
got a master's degree in clinical psychology and now getting
(01:10):
a PhD in human sexuality.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So you are the sex doctor. Yeah, okay, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So when we talk about these issues, sometimes it may
be humorous, but other times there's some legitimate issues to discuss.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What's on your mind tonight?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
That I think that that you may think that we've
been missing in the discussion of some of these issues
surrounding sex and gender.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Well, a big topic that's been controversial recently, over the
last five or six years especially, it's been pretty politically
chargedes gender affirming care. And you know, I'm not here
to argue with anybody or changing anybody's minds or opinions
on it. Everybody's got their opinions, and if you have
a problem with it, I always I just view it
as being just that it's your opinion. It's your opinion,
(01:51):
it's your problem, not going to change it, it's not
my problem. That's not what I'm here for. But it
occurred to me recently that despite everybody out there seemingly
has very strong opinions on the topic. Very few people
actually know what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Okay, let's down deep.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I was on uh, I was on social media, and
I saw an ad for a product for men that
was made to make larger men look skinnier, a man girdle,
and I am you know, it was late at night,
I had, Yeah, I just come home from karaook, I
had a couple I was ready to go to bed,
and I I just you know, smart ass posts on
there that counts as gender affirming care? Oh because and immediately, oh,
(02:34):
I woke up the next morning and I saw a
rush of people sit in there saying that does that's
not gender affirming care.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
That's not that.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Gender firming care is having surgery to change your your
from male to female, or metal or some sort of
use of pharmaceutical products.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, So, like you know, usually medical interventions for that
are like hormone treatment, surgery, puberty block puberty blockers. Those
are the things that people are most familiar, you're with now,
most people associated with just those medical interventions. But really
the guy one person had the very smart ass comment
on it, Oh, Google is so free, You're wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And I go and I google it and the first thing.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
It says that gender affirming care is a series of social, psychological,
and medical treatments. Okay, so immediately people are only associating
it with those medical treatments, but they're not paying attention
to the social and psychological interventions.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Therapy is one.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
A lot of years of therapy usually has to go
into it before people are going to make those transitions.
But social transitioning, one major social intervention is adjusting personal
appearance to align with gender identity. And that's what a
man girdle is doing in that moment.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It is better identify with the idea of the gender
of being male.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, for that individual, their idea of what's manly is
looking a little thinner is. And you can even for
women putting on makeup, wearing high heels, or for guys
wearing lifts in their shoes, that is gender affirming it
You are looking more like what your personal ideal that
of what your gender should be.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I always make the distinction. There's a difference between sex
and gender. Sex is how we're born. Gender is how
we want to present ourselves to society, yeah, or how
society defines us.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
And different societies have different ideas of what genders are,
and it's a social construct versus what biologically we are. Biologically,
what we are is what we are. People can have
surgeries to change genders and be and to have their
bodies match what their gender is, what their personal identity
of their gender is. But it's not just people who
are trying to transition from male to female or female
(04:47):
to male.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
People.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
All of us, every single one of us, engages in
gender affirming care.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Can you give us some other examples?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
For women wearing makeup, high heel shoes, or if you
want to go distray up medical only, breast implants, getting
your lips enlarged.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
All of that is GBL care.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, bbl's gender affirming care, guys, if you're gonna be
going out there. Other forms of it are like hair plugs,
getting lipos so that you have a six pack.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Now, don't run pass to hair plugs because men have
been doing that for literal decades because it affirms their manhood,
or at least their concept of it.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
So, really, the concept of gender affirming care only became
controversial when we exclusively assigned the meaning of it towards
people who are transitioning from one gender to another. Or
having or we're trying in that process of transitioning, instead
of looking at it from the perspective of every single
one of us has access to care that affirms our gender,
(05:48):
and all of us do it, every single one of us.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Okay, I know there's someone listening right now who is
probably of the mind it's like Sam the sex doctor.
I understand the point that you're trying to make, but
it feel like, you know, you can't maybe articulate it correctly,
but it feels like you're reaching where someone who's going
through sexual reassignment surgery is not the same thing as
a guy who's wearing lifts.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
No, but they're I mean, the spectrum of people, for example,
within the transgender computer community goes from people who are
planning on having surgery to people who are not having
surgery at all. They may just be taking hormones, or
they may just be doing social interventions in psychological interventions,
no medical interventions. So really the definition of it that
(06:31):
really we have to focus on that social transitioning, that
one social intervention adjusting personal appearance to align with that
individual's gender identity. It doesn't you don't have to be
trans to engage in adjusting personal appearance to.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Align with gender identity.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I'm doing it right now in the clothes I'm wearing,
wearing Jeanes of a button up T shirt this, and
it makes me look like I'm, you know, relatively well kept.
I have a beard. This is all gender affirming care
that I'm doing for myself. It makes me feel more
like like it's reflecting my personal gender identity.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Let's talk about the co I'll say, the merge of
history and sociology. Why do you believe gender and the
expression of it is so damn important in America in
twenty twenty five as opposed to because if you know,
through history, the whole idea of gender was less important
(07:28):
in Greek societies and other societies. Why do you think
in America is such a big damn deal.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Well, a lot of people like to have certainty and
like to be have comfort and familiarity and things that
make them, you know, like it's easy to be able
to just say men and women and not have any
gray area in between, just and a lot of people
try to associate religious things behind that as well. But
really a lot of times people don't just aren't paying
(07:55):
attention to the fact that gender people. There have been
thousands of you know, years, and people throughout history have
identified with things that are beyond just man, yes, woman,
and not just that. Socially, what people do is, you know,
what's acceptable for men to do in one place out here,
(08:16):
Like say, in America, it's not necessarily acceptable for me
to hold another dude's hand and kiss him on the cheek,
right m hm, as a straight I'm a straight, a straight.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Guy, that's pretty unacceptable.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But if I go to Iran right now, guys are
holding hands with each other, kissing each other on the
cheek just to say hi.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Go to France and see that. Yeah, So that's the thing.
All of this stuff is cultural and social.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
When it comes to what is the acceptable gender expression.
Here in America, we have very like polarized views of gender.
Either it's only two man and woman and just that,
or people saying it's one thousand and one flavors of
the rainbow and all of that stuff. And I'm not
here to argue one way or the other on that.
(08:58):
I just think that the idea of gender of firming
care is being falsely demonized when all of us are
engaging in that, and people honestly the people who seem
to be engaging in the most gender affirming care are
the alpha males air quotes air quotes alpha males, or
some people tend to look at their guns as signs
of masculinity.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That amosexuals right there. The people who actually like putting
as the real man.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
People who have as their gender identity amosexual. But that's
actual more of a sexual preference than gender identity. But
that's another story. They prefer having sex with ammo. That's
some of them. I haven't seen that part of sexuality
that deeply yet. I haven't researched that part yet.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
The sex doctor Sam Zea is in and we have
another segment with him, so stay right here.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
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Speaker 3 (10:33):
We had a really important question that I want to
address which was posed in the chat. This comes from
miss Rachel and it says, can you explain how gender
affirming care supports mental and sexual health for transgender and
non binary individuals during and after transition?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
There's a lot there.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Oh yeah, it supports it in every way you mentioned
psychologically and sexually. Mental health wise, you need to go
through quite a bit of therapy and counseling so that
it becomes like, you know, between your doctor, you, your therapist,
and all the people around you kind of a team
that's working together towards you transitioning. So they're going to
(11:18):
make sure that before, during, and after whatever if you
are getting the surgery or if you're taking hormone therapy
or whatever it is, that you are covering yourself emotionally
either you know, if you need to go see a psychiatrist,
then that's going to be part of the game. But
really making sure that talk therapy is part of the
whole process is a big thing. Afterwards, then going through
(11:39):
you know, like as far as actual physical if you
have surgery, there's going to be various forms of care
that goes you know, physical care, there's going to be
you know, we were talking about various forms of gender
affirming care in the last segment. One of them that
I'm not sure if we mentioned was penil implants.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And first, that's a medical intervention.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
That's a medical intervention for people who are either transitioning
or not. Penile implants are things that people get, so
that's something that you know, that's part of the game.
Some of those penile implants are mechanical, So if you
if you're looking to actually have a functional penis as
far as sexually functional penises go, there are mechanical things
(12:24):
that go within it, inserts that go within it that
make it so that you can achieve arousal. You know,
there's pumps, there's different mechanisms that I know. To be
delicate with this, I really am, but I mean there's
a pump that gets inserted into the scrotum that you
it's like a it's like a rebock pump in there.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
For those who are old enough to remember the reboc pump.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, so that's the thing. It's like, there's quite a
few different interventions. It just depends on which form of
gender affirming care. If you are transgender, which form of
affirming gender care you're going for. Some people are not
having the search. They're just sticking with hormones. Some people
are not doing hormones or surgery and they're just doing
social interventions such as pronoun changes, name changes, things like that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Again, I'm thinking about people who may be listening who
may not have a level of comfort with this subject matter.
We started off talking about gender affirming care, non transitional
yeah people, And I remember we had this conversation last
week off air and I said, I'd never really thought
of it that way. What are some of the other
(13:32):
ways that I would say straight CIS men are trying
to reaffirm their own gender that we may not have
historically customarily thought of as such.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
People who you see it a lot when the bodybuilder
competitions guys with giant muscles, that's very much gender affirming
for guys various behaviors. Hunting is a gender affirming behavior
for a lot of guys. So it's an expression of
our manhood exactly. Anything that people equate with manliness that
(14:08):
can be conceived or be perceived as gender affirming.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
In the way that we look at a woman's role,
air quotes, or the activities that they may involve themselves
in as gender affirming.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Now people are looking at it from like everybody gender affirming,
like from a global perspective, when what's gender affirming is
up to that individual.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So and society is kind of laid out.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, society definitely draws the boundaries of what's acceptable, but
at the same time that one person's individual gender identity
determines what their behaviors typically are.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I remember growing up and my father was very much
about this is how a man is supposed to act,
this is what a man supposed to do, and this
is how a man is supposed to sit. And I
remember my father sitting me down and saying, hey, a
man does not cross his legs.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now, he can put his ankle.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Across is knee, but he does not cross his legs
like a woman. How how much are we programmed to
be a man or a woman as opposed to just
who we want to be?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Well, how much we're programmed almost one hundred percent, because
not all of us are born with that idea of
I can't cross my legs. Not everybody is born with
you shouldn't do that because you're you know, that's not
what men do. Not at that, That's something that's very
much taught. That's why gender is very much a social
construct versus you know, biological sex that.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
You have to draw the distinction.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
The biggest problem right now when people have this discussion
is the conflation of.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Sex and gender.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Absolutely. Now let's talk about the scientific portion real quick.
You know, someone will say, well, I'm I'm a man
or male at least because I have a Y chromosome.
Where does the science come out as far as the
excess and.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Wise, But you can have the X and Y chromosome
and be female on a sex level. On a phenotype level,
phenotype is what we look like. Genotype is what genetically
we are, what our chromosomes are. So genetically you may
have somebody who is genetically male, but phenotype, what they're
(16:18):
presenting physically is female, and that is that their choice
or something that's what they're biologically born as. And this
is something that is an interesting Now you're exploding my
head trying yeah, no, this is and this is something
that wasn't I didn't even think that I was going
to mention this, but now that's here, I definitely should.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
When people when babies are born intersex.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Because people are like, you're either male or female, they
discount the fact that, like some studies say, two percent
of the population is born intersex. Now, if you have
a baby who's born presenting both male and female genitalia,
that birth is considered a medical emergency, and at that
moment the doctors have to talk with the parents to
(17:02):
determine make a decision. Yeah, make a decision either or
can't be both, doesn't matter if they choose wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
The oh okay, so.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
So you're there to tell you one way or the other,
which way they think they are, which way they naturally are.
But it's a medical emergency that requires immediate intervention.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
If I understand you correctly.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Since that medical procedure decision is being made by the parents,
separate and distinct of what the child may grow up
and feel internally, there may be some sort of not
even a contradiction, but some sort of internal struggle bingo.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
And when you talk about limiting gender affirming care, because
that's the thing. All of us have access to gender
affirming care, but it seems like politically we only want
to we want to limit it from a specific part
of the population. Now, the thing is that gender affirming
care may be the only relief for people like that,
the people who were born, but the parents had to
make a choice and they chose something that wasn't actually
(18:01):
what that kid ended up becoming or what actually was.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
This is fascinating.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
So the one thing that you can do, the one
intervention that they had to get psychological, physic, physiological relief
from all of it is now has now become a
political football.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
So when I cut my hair short, that's gender of
firm and care as opposed to letting it grow long,
because we think a female gender expression is long hair.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Depending on what part of the world you are, you
or it could be different.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Ah, Sam to sex Doctor, nice introduction. Yeah, I come
back next week.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I will.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I would definitely be here next week. I got more
fun stuff to talk about.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Sam to sex Doctor is now leaving the building, It's
laid with mo Kelly.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
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