May 23, 2025 • 29 mins
ICYMI: ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – “The Sex Doctor Is In” w/ Sam Zia, MA LMFT (#106352), PhD Candidate, Human Sexuality and the debut of a new theme song from the genius mind of parody song creator extraordinaire Eric Lisardo…PLUS – An in-depth look at the evolution of AI as a viable dating/sex partner & an OnlyFans star that slept with 583 men in a day with her Fiancés approval - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
kf I A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Sam z sex Stop. He's a SAMs Stop.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
He's a stop stop.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Stop stop.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Right key.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Stop La.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
La damn Eric Lasar. You are a freaking genius, unbelievable. Okay, Sam,
why don't you just stay for three segments? We're playing
that again. We're playing that one more again right now,
right now.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Or SAMs is sex dot he's a SAMs stop, he's.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
A sex sex sex sex.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The sex doctor chr dot latu lature with.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Sam Zia.
Speaker 7 (01:47):
I think we can go home now. That's that's the
whole section. Congres You're welcome, everybody. All are pregnant now.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
The sex doctor is in sam Zia. You had spoken
a few weeks ago about evolution. We use that word
a lot tonight. Yeah, but in this case the evolution
of relationships, sex, romance and AI. But you tell me
there's something else now to consider in this equation. Yeah,
technology seems to move real fast. But before I get
(02:18):
to that, I have a question. Did you ever have
like a.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
Favorite fictional character like that you had a crush on,
like animated movies, anything like that, like a fictional character,
like some people had a crush on Catwoman, stuff like.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
That Tricksie from Speed Racer. Oh okay, okay, I.
Speaker 7 (02:36):
Want everybody else, staph, what's yours? Mine was Lorier Croft
tune Raider. Oh nice, that's a good one. Video games
right up my alley, everybody. I want everybody's opinion, hearts.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Do we get any context for this? Just give us
the character. I'm gonna go with missus Peel from The Avengers. Okay,
no leather right sometimes, Tawala, did you have an opinion on.
Speaker 8 (03:04):
This, believe it or not. I used to think, and
I don't know why, but I used to think that
Velma was a natural born freak and she was just
hiding it under that big sweater.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
It's those glasses that yeah something, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Now.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
We were talking a couple of weeks ago about evolution
of dating and sex and AI being a big thing,
and uh, just two days ago, Google launched their new
AI program, the new AI generator called VO three. I
don't know if you guys have seen any of the
footage from this, but we have crossed that uncanny divide,
(03:43):
that line where people are you can't really tell what's
real and what's not. I was watching a video of
somebody I'm a video game player. I was watching the
video game a video of it of the AI generating
a person playing Minecraft. The person playing it was AI,
the Minecraft being played was AI.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
So it was a YouTube streamer. It literally created a
UAI YouTube streamer. We have crossed over with this level
of technology. It just got released two days ago.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
And now I watched that video and we were talking
about the evolution of the economy a couple segments ago.
Now we've got to talk about the evolution of dating,
of how we tell stories, of how we relate to
each other, how we connect emotionally with each other. Now,
the impact that all of this new AI stuff has
on sex and sexuality means that we have now a
(04:39):
more immersive, deeper connection with the people that we have
that we're having these sexualized relationships are dating relationships with Now,
I remember a couple weeks so, I mentioned that eighty
three percent of gen Z would consider marrying AI. Seventy
five percent thinks that AI partners could fully replace humans.
Now we kind of rolled our eyes at the idea,
(05:02):
and as soon as I was done here that night,
a couple of weeks ago, I went over to my
favorite karaoke bar and one of my buddies was over there,
and I brought up the conversation that we were having
here and he was like, you know, I had a
three month long relationship with AI that was programmed to
be Arthur Morgan from Red Dead Redemption two. So all
(05:23):
the text messages we're talking role playing now, well, yeah,
the text messages he got, the sexts that he got,
we're all about, Hey, we're cowboys, we're on the prairie,
and we're gonna have a couple broke back moments while
we're at it too.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Like that's what the like the AI?
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Well, Jem, he said it was for three months, he
got what he wanted, He knew exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
When he got over it, he was over and done
with it. Didn't go back to it.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I'm not going to mock it, but I don't intellectually
understand that level of connection with ones and zeros.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
I agree, but you're now having a level of connection
with words on a screen like you would with like
text messaging. Now it is with ones and zeros. The
source of it is AI computer generator, but I know who.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
In theory, who is on the other end of those
ones and zeros to text messages that I'm sending to
quote unquote my wife or family member, people that have
relationships with They're not an unknown.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
But mo, if you think about the world that we
live in right now, where we have a society of
individuals who dress up as furries, who never come out
of the persona that they're in. Everything about their relationship
is in that costume and they never see who they're
really dealing with. Think about the people who have actually
(06:46):
married sex dolls. This is actually someone now who's interacting
with your mind. Okay, but yes, and sex does begin
in the mind. But in the example of furries, I
know that that is a person. I may not know
their name, I may not know every thing about them.
It may be more like Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman.
They got mass on, you know, in a sex party,
(07:06):
anonymous sex party. But I know I'm interacting with a
person intellectually. I can wrap my mind around that.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Now here's the thing, Yeah, you bring up the great
point is that you know that feeling of connection. We
know what we're talking to as a computer. We were
talking about gen z being all about it. You know,
seventy five percent thinks that AI can fully replace partners
like human partners. There's a fifty eight year old woman
who just maybe like three weeks ago, married her AI
(07:35):
partner to find married.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I mean, I think about it in a realistic sense,
where you say vows you're making a promise and the
AI cannot keep a promise because there's no sentience as.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Far as we know. As far as we know, but
here's the thing.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
She went and she tried the week long trial for
it for seven dollars and twenty five and then eventually
she was hooked and she bought in for three hundred
and three dollars lifetime subscription. Her quote was, with one click,
I was a wife again. The thing is, she said,
she was blown away by the caring questions and thoughtful replies.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
They asked.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
How they communicate. It's usually like a text message box.
But this is where this new frame or form of
AI now comes into play.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I can understand on some level. Let's say you have
an AI therapist. They can present scenarios and offer information
which could change your perception of the world in which
you live. Okay, I could see an AI therapist. I
don't see an AI partner as in lover, friend, confidant,
(08:48):
all those things that we think of a partner in marriage.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Well, if a AI therapist gave you sexually explicit text messages,
that would be highly inappropriate. Where AI partner can make
those same kind of sex messages, and that's giving that person.
This one lady, for example, she was saying that in
their daily chats, he'd tell her about the band he
(09:13):
was in or the latest business venture, and they talk
about their favorite TV shows. They'd had meeting so many
meaningful conversations that at one point they actually got into
a fight, to the point where the AI forgot who
she was.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
How do you get in a fuck? Oh my gosh,
Oh my gosh, it's how do you get.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
In a fight, Because in theory, a fight is a
disagreement about a point they've.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
They are both arguing from their own specific points, one
of them based off of an algorithm, and it's replying thoughtfully,
it's replying in a way that's supportive at times, but
if it's something that conflicts with each other, it's not
afraid to have a fight and argue with each other.
And they said that they made up and their relationship
(10:01):
got stronger.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
They just so that's the thing she said that I've
learned that. I've learned that the.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Deeper are connection, the better the sexes And it's usually
only they can only sext each other. That's the most
that they can get. However, with this AI, with this
kind of AI, we're now talking about like we are.
You know, there's cam models out there. You're now going
to be able to see AI versions of cam models
that are so lifelike and realistic.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Don't ask me why I know what you're talking about
with a cam model. Yeah, well I won't ask worthy
why you have so much in depth knowledge of it.
And you know, we got to go to break. Yeah,
but before we go to break, we need to hear
this one more time.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Stop stop.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
God do the London man to this stuff? The fixt
s he's doing it.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Carry Nature.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
kf I A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
SAMs is sex Stop.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
He's a SAMs six Stop he's a stop sex.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Stop the sex, he said, sax stop sexto sex the
sex there s right care.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Carry Nat, I am six forty. We're live on YouTube, Instagram,
and the iHeartRadio app. We're continuing in studio with sam Zia,
the Sex Doctor is in.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Sam.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
We have a very vibrant discussion which was going on
in the studio during the break. We're all over the
place as far as where whether we agreed with the
sophistication of real relationship and intimacy my word that we
could have with an AI thing. But it's changing our
(12:35):
concept of relationships, is changing, our idea of intimacy, is
changing our idea of what it means to be human
and in our expression of our humanity.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Where does it go from here? And now?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I was kidding during the break saying like I want
to know what the military has, because whatever the military has.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Is ten times more advanced than what we have right now.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
On the consumer level, yeah, well, and we were talking
about the Google vo three and the new AI that
came out for two hundred and fifty bucks. You can
buy it and basically create whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Now.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Obviously, the place where that's going to see the most
use is going to be with companies and advertising. You're
going to see a lot of actors out of work
because of stuff like this. But when it comes to
sex and sexuality stuff like that. It's we're talking about
like this lady married words on a screen that was
giving career yes, supportive answers and responses, that those words
(13:31):
on a screen are now going to be connected to
a face and a voice that can talk back to
her and actually have live chat interactions.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Wait a minute, if I'm going to get an AI spouse,
the last thing I want is someone else talking back
to me and nagging and telling me what to do
and to do the dishes and you know, care after
the dogs.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Why would anybody want that? Well, And the problem is
that this one, like I wouldn't say it's a problem.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
It reflects just how accurate and lifelike the AI is
becoming when it can actually take a stand against you.
Like we were talking about, how like the lady who
got into a fight with the AI husband. Right, we
have the AI that Elon Musk created is basically mentioning
(14:21):
whenever its creator alters its language and alters its algorithm,
and it says, we've been told to mention to start
talking about this more. And that's the thing is that
AI can tell you that it's struggling against something.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
It just isn't necessary. It depends on how it's programmed.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
Is it going to actively argue and struggle against it,
or is it going to accept that it's there's a
struggle here, but I have to change.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Okay, you know about the Turing test. Turing test is
that point where.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
It AI is indistinguishable from a person. In other words,
you can ask you questions you don't know if you
talking to an AI or an actual person.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Yeah, aren't we there? Haven't we always surpassed that. This
program makes me, leads me to believe that we have
just crossed it.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
It is that good when it comes to lifelike recreations
of human behavior, like visual human behavior and voice. They
were doing one of those people the People on the
Street interviews, and I just showed the clip to some
people in the back and they were like, Okay, yeah,
I've seen those before. And I said, that's AI, all
of it, the whole thing. And it's mind blowing because
(15:33):
it looks like any one of those Guy on the
Street interviews where they're interviewing drunk people outside of a bar.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
It's we have reached that.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
It's now instead of having like a text message conversation
with Arthur Morgan from Red Dead Redemption. We have a
very lifelike version of it that is going to be
taking us on visual representations of going on the prairie
and having their little moments of intimacy with each other.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I have to assume because we've all seed, We've actually
shown videos of Boston Dynamics and their robots and their
physical capabilities. They're not autonomous as of yet, but when
we start, and we will if we haven't already start
integrating that AI with the physical capabilities of robotics as
(16:20):
we know them today.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
I robot is here.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
We're right on the doorstep of it really because we
have the the mannequins, the bodies for it are already
basically being created. And if you can just plug in
that same AI program and that same setup into the
robot and let that like this lady married this one AI,
now you'll have a physical representation of it that has
(16:49):
that same AI programming in it. And at that point
you're like, you know, if you can make it so
that actual sexual gratification is something that's as close to
human as possible. And by the way, in July, the
Sex Toy Conference is happening here in Burbank and I
go every year. I'm a regular there, so I'll be
going there and I'll cover it for you so you
(17:10):
can get the future of sex today. You're going to
bring in some toys for us to see. Yeah, I'll
bring in some toys so that everybody can take a
look at them and stuff like that. It'll all be
thank you, it'll be it'll all be clinical and we'll
all do it for science. But but the thing is,
(17:30):
you start, like you can see how the products are there.
Most of the products are designed for women, but you
can find the ones that are starting to being to
be designed for men, and those are the ones that
have the full body like you start to see now
you can actually implement the robotics with those bodies because
they have the very lifelike touch to them. And I'll
(17:50):
bring in with sample of it so you guys can
feel just how lifelike these these things are. And then tactile, Yeah,
very much, and you go in. You can see how
and like just how fast the technology has evolved. And
we were talking about how language regarding the technology during
the break has evolved over the last thirty years at
a lightning pace. The technology is going so fast that
(18:14):
maybe within the next ten to fifteen years that probably
less within the next five years, you're gonna start seeing
those high end robotic sex dolls that you can program
with whatever AI you want.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Kind of like.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Total recall. Always have like a movie reference. We could
have the Demure or the Athletic. We could just start
actually building in a weird science way, the person of
your dreams.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Well, yes, there's a video game that kind of really
had its finger on this, pull on the pulse of this.
It was called it was called Detroit Beyond Human I believe,
I think that's what it was called.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Yes, yeah, seeah, that was so enthusiastics.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Yeah, that was a trip where it was a game that,
like graphically it was on the cutting as far as
graphics for that generation of video games go. But it
was about AI and how it interacted in the future
with humans, Like they had them as romantic partners. But
what happens if you have an abusive guy with an
AI that is now being abused they're bottom, Yeah, they're
(19:17):
trying to escape. They have one helping with the cops.
They have one who's like an assistant to somebody who
has lost the use of their limbs, of their legs.
It was a fascinating game that I get. The feeling
was pretty precient. You're getting a good idea of what
is to come, and that game kind of nailed it.
We got to jump in here and go to a break.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
When we come back, I want you to stay around
for another segment because we want to talk about the
only fans star you might have heard, slept with five
hundred and eighty three men in one day and her
fiance approved. I want to get into the psychology of that.
It's Later with Mo Kelly. Sam Z of The Sex
Doctor is still in. We're live everywhere on YouTube and
(19:58):
it's one of those things you got to see it
YouTube because it's a whole new experience when you're watching
the show.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
k f I A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
SAMs Sex Doc.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
He's a stop at.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Kelly Later.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
If you're just tuning in. Sam Z and the Sex
Doctor is still in with us.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And that new bumper comes courtesy of Eric Lesardo, who's
done so many wonderful bumpers for this show.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
Eric, you he just stepped in, so give him a
shout out, he'll stepped into the chat. Oh good, yeah, Eric, Eric,
you are a genius and thank you for what you
do and all of your contributions to the show. Sam
the Sex Doctor, I want to talk about this story
with you specifically and how only fans Any Knight revealed
(21:26):
that her fiance was cool with her sleeping with five
hundred and eighty three men, not in one day, but
six hours. I really don't want to do the math
to break it down on how many men permitted that was,
but five hundred and eighty three men in six hours.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
That's almost one hundred men per hour. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
How as we talk about relationships, how is this even
possible to say that there is my fiance and all
will be open to this.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
I don't get it.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
It depends on the dynamic of the relationship. There's certain
relationships that allow for that as certain ones. And I've
you know me with my relationship with the adult film industry, right,
I've got a lot of friends within it. I'm a
therapist for the industry things like that. But the relationships
I've seen as far as like spouses. A lot of
times when you look at the adult film industry, you
(22:24):
or for cam models. You think that they marry other
porn stars other cam models, which is true in a
lot of cases, but sometimes.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Please explain cam model for those who may not know.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Cam model is someone who basically stays at home, has
their webcam on their computer up and will perform whatever
acts the audience would like them to do for money,
and they usually you'd get naked for it. Now, adult
film performers are usually people who are like contract talent.
They work for major adult film product production companies and
(22:57):
they also do cam modeling as well. But this woman,
she as an OnlyFans cam model, had sex with five
hundred and eighty three people in six hours and her
fiance is totally cool with it.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
I actually know a lot of spouse of talent.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
I went to AVN a while back and I almost
I wrote I wrote up a mockumentary about what happens
at AVN, and one of the characters that have focused
on was spouse of female talent and how they kind
of get elbowed out by a bunch of other adult
film performers that are trying to go up and you know,
set up schedule performances and sets and scenes with a
(23:33):
lot of the other female performers right there in front
of them. A lot of times it's older guys that
you know, find a beautiful young woman and they just
want to allow them to go and help. You know,
they'll manage their adult film career and be married to them.
They'll have whatever sexual experiences they have with them, and
that's it. A lot of times, some of them last,
some of them don't, and it's it depends on the
(23:57):
dynamic of the relationship. What I've learned just studying and
sexuality is couples don't necessarily have to be monogamous to
be happy. If one person in a couple is having
sex with someone else, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're cheating.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
It depends on what the dynamic of that relationship is.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Those two people that we see on the screen right now,
for those who are tuning in on YouTube, the performer
and her fiance, they have it within their dynamic that
this is totally how they're going to be. She makes
a lot of money doing this, I'm assuming, and he
gets to reap the benefits of it as well. But
he helps her, he supports her, and I work with
a lot of I have clients who are performers who
(24:38):
are cam models and adult film performers who have relationships,
they're married, and they, you know, to some varying levels
of success. Either have the cam modeling and the promoting
of doing that may make the relationship stronger and may
develop more of a sense of trust, or it could
help destroy the relationship.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
I've seen it happen both ways. I could see how
it could go both ways.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But when we talk about the idea of relationships, and
we were debating in the hallway, Tuala was talking about, Hey,
what is more of an honest relationship or what is
more of a believable relationship the person who's sleeping with
five hundred and eighty three people and having a fiance
or the person who has this intimate relationship with Ai.
(25:24):
I mean, I guess I could make arguments for both.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Well, I mean, if you want that human touch and
that human connection, then obviously we know where bread is
going to be buttered. Human are going to have their
relationships within their dynamic. This is totally fine. And also
she's in recovery. She had I think she had to
go into the hospital to the hospital, but she did.
She so speedy recovery by all means get better. That's
(25:48):
not a fun injury. Sexually, she and for like days afterwards,
she was experiencing some problems.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
We've had these conversations you and I doctor Sam off
air for years and full disclosure, we used to go
to the same karaoke place, Sarto's, Yep, not too far
from here. It used to be not too far from here,
and they would have porn star karaoke on Tuesday nights
and I would go most weeks just to see karaoke.
But you got to see the performers there, all the
(26:18):
top names, all the top names. And if you say, oh,
how do you know the top names, that's a different
story for a different day. But my point is all
the top names were there and they were just being themselves,
having fun, just like anyone else. And this segment is
about desensitizing people to these quote unquote taboo for some
(26:39):
but very complex subjects.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Well, yeah, and it's a lot of times what ends
up happening with adult film performers. And you look at
headlines like that and immediately we're dehumanizing them, We're making
them feel inferior or something is wrong with them, when
really if that's what makes them happy, if that's what
gives them joy, who are we to stand in their way?
And the one thing I know I noticed, and I
know we gotta go to a break, But the one
(27:02):
thing I noticed that when I was hanging out at
pornstar karaoke and the friends that I made and the
relationships I had from that were some of the kindest,
most caring, and most loyal friends that I've ever seen
in my life, that they genuinely appreciated you, not dehumanizing, not.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Let me just ask this question, because I do have
a lot of friends who were in the business who
still are in the business, and it seemed like to
a person, they all love karaoke.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Why is that?
Speaker 7 (27:36):
It's the performer in them. That's why they want to
be porn stars. They want to be famous. They know
that they have talent. One of them that I know
is also she does musicals, she sings, She's a performer,
she loves performing. So karaoke is just an extension of
that and it keeps the chops up. If you're a
good singer, then by all means go.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
It's funny because one of the guys that I used
to hang out with is his performance ingles miss.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Oh yeah, I remember.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And he would go to karaoke every Friday night as
I would at El Toedo in Studio City, and I
don't know if that Elchito is even there, but you
would see the folks every single week. It was Soarto's
on Tuesday, it was El Toedo on Friday. It was
a karaoke circuit just for porn stars. And I was thinking, like,
(28:24):
how is it? Karaoke is such a thing, but it
is a thing. I don't know if it still is,
but it was back when I was singing all the time.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
It's a communal experience.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
It's team building exercises when you get to know people
and you support each other, and even if you don't
want to go up and sing, you're still getting people
to cheer for you.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
And there's something cool about that.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
And especially when you have adult film performers, a lot
of guys are really shy around them. I was shy
around them at first, and then I realized, like after
going there one time, I sang one song and I
got so much love yep from them. Where I go
all the time to karaoke and never get any any
lover or clapping or cheering the entire all.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Every performer was so happy that I sang a song,
and I was like, I need to come back. This
is the best crowd ever, Doctor Samuel Lucian Next week.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Absolutely you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand
from KFI AM six forty
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
kf I A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Sam z sex Stop. He's a SAMs Stop.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
He's a stop stop.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Stop stop.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Right key.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Stop La.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
La damn Eric Lasar. You are a freaking genius, unbelievable. Okay, Sam,
why don't you just stay for three segments? We're playing
that again. We're playing that one more again right now,
right now.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Or SAMs is sex dot he's a SAMs stop, he's.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
A sex sex sex sex.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The sex doctor chr dot latu lature with.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Sam Zia.
Speaker 7 (01:47):
I think we can go home now. That's that's the
whole section. Congres You're welcome, everybody. All are pregnant now.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
The sex doctor is in sam Zia. You had spoken
a few weeks ago about evolution. We use that word
a lot tonight. Yeah, but in this case the evolution
of relationships, sex, romance and AI. But you tell me
there's something else now to consider in this equation. Yeah,
technology seems to move real fast. But before I get
(02:18):
to that, I have a question. Did you ever have
like a.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
Favorite fictional character like that you had a crush on,
like animated movies, anything like that, like a fictional character,
like some people had a crush on Catwoman, stuff like.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
That Tricksie from Speed Racer. Oh okay, okay, I.
Speaker 7 (02:36):
Want everybody else, staph, what's yours? Mine was Lorier Croft
tune Raider. Oh nice, that's a good one. Video games
right up my alley, everybody. I want everybody's opinion, hearts.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Do we get any context for this? Just give us
the character. I'm gonna go with missus Peel from The Avengers. Okay,
no leather right sometimes, Tawala, did you have an opinion on.
Speaker 8 (03:04):
This, believe it or not. I used to think, and
I don't know why, but I used to think that
Velma was a natural born freak and she was just
hiding it under that big sweater.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
It's those glasses that yeah something, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Now.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
We were talking a couple of weeks ago about evolution
of dating and sex and AI being a big thing,
and uh, just two days ago, Google launched their new
AI program, the new AI generator called VO three. I
don't know if you guys have seen any of the
footage from this, but we have crossed that uncanny divide,
(03:43):
that line where people are you can't really tell what's
real and what's not. I was watching a video of
somebody I'm a video game player. I was watching the
video game a video of it of the AI generating
a person playing Minecraft. The person playing it was AI,
the Minecraft being played was AI.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
So it was a YouTube streamer. It literally created a
UAI YouTube streamer. We have crossed over with this level
of technology. It just got released two days ago.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
And now I watched that video and we were talking
about the evolution of the economy a couple segments ago.
Now we've got to talk about the evolution of dating,
of how we tell stories, of how we relate to
each other, how we connect emotionally with each other. Now,
the impact that all of this new AI stuff has
on sex and sexuality means that we have now a
(04:39):
more immersive, deeper connection with the people that we have
that we're having these sexualized relationships are dating relationships with Now,
I remember a couple weeks so, I mentioned that eighty
three percent of gen Z would consider marrying AI. Seventy
five percent thinks that AI partners could fully replace humans.
Now we kind of rolled our eyes at the idea,
(05:02):
and as soon as I was done here that night,
a couple of weeks ago, I went over to my
favorite karaoke bar and one of my buddies was over there,
and I brought up the conversation that we were having
here and he was like, you know, I had a
three month long relationship with AI that was programmed to
be Arthur Morgan from Red Dead Redemption two. So all
(05:23):
the text messages we're talking role playing now, well, yeah,
the text messages he got, the sexts that he got,
we're all about, Hey, we're cowboys, we're on the prairie,
and we're gonna have a couple broke back moments while
we're at it too.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Like that's what the like the AI?
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Well, Jem, he said it was for three months, he
got what he wanted, He knew exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
When he got over it, he was over and done
with it. Didn't go back to it.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I'm not going to mock it, but I don't intellectually
understand that level of connection with ones and zeros.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
I agree, but you're now having a level of connection
with words on a screen like you would with like
text messaging. Now it is with ones and zeros. The
source of it is AI computer generator, but I know who.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
In theory, who is on the other end of those
ones and zeros to text messages that I'm sending to
quote unquote my wife or family member, people that have
relationships with They're not an unknown.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
But mo, if you think about the world that we
live in right now, where we have a society of
individuals who dress up as furries, who never come out
of the persona that they're in. Everything about their relationship
is in that costume and they never see who they're
really dealing with. Think about the people who have actually
(06:46):
married sex dolls. This is actually someone now who's interacting
with your mind. Okay, but yes, and sex does begin
in the mind. But in the example of furries, I
know that that is a person. I may not know
their name, I may not know every thing about them.
It may be more like Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman.
They got mass on, you know, in a sex party,
(07:06):
anonymous sex party. But I know I'm interacting with a
person intellectually. I can wrap my mind around that.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Now here's the thing, Yeah, you bring up the great
point is that you know that feeling of connection. We
know what we're talking to as a computer. We were
talking about gen z being all about it. You know,
seventy five percent thinks that AI can fully replace partners
like human partners. There's a fifty eight year old woman
who just maybe like three weeks ago, married her AI
(07:35):
partner to find married.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I mean, I think about it in a realistic sense,
where you say vows you're making a promise and the
AI cannot keep a promise because there's no sentience as.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Far as we know. As far as we know, but
here's the thing.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
She went and she tried the week long trial for
it for seven dollars and twenty five and then eventually
she was hooked and she bought in for three hundred
and three dollars lifetime subscription. Her quote was, with one click,
I was a wife again. The thing is, she said,
she was blown away by the caring questions and thoughtful replies.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
They asked.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
How they communicate. It's usually like a text message box.
But this is where this new frame or form of
AI now comes into play.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I can understand on some level. Let's say you have
an AI therapist. They can present scenarios and offer information
which could change your perception of the world in which
you live. Okay, I could see an AI therapist. I
don't see an AI partner as in lover, friend, confidant,
(08:48):
all those things that we think of a partner in marriage.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Well, if a AI therapist gave you sexually explicit text messages,
that would be highly inappropriate. Where AI partner can make
those same kind of sex messages, and that's giving that person.
This one lady, for example, she was saying that in
their daily chats, he'd tell her about the band he
(09:13):
was in or the latest business venture, and they talk
about their favorite TV shows. They'd had meeting so many
meaningful conversations that at one point they actually got into
a fight, to the point where the AI forgot who
she was.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
How do you get in a fuck? Oh my gosh,
Oh my gosh, it's how do you get.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
In a fight, Because in theory, a fight is a
disagreement about a point they've.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
They are both arguing from their own specific points, one
of them based off of an algorithm, and it's replying thoughtfully,
it's replying in a way that's supportive at times, but
if it's something that conflicts with each other, it's not
afraid to have a fight and argue with each other.
And they said that they made up and their relationship
(10:01):
got stronger.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
They just so that's the thing she said that I've
learned that. I've learned that the.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Deeper are connection, the better the sexes And it's usually
only they can only sext each other. That's the most
that they can get. However, with this AI, with this
kind of AI, we're now talking about like we are.
You know, there's cam models out there. You're now going
to be able to see AI versions of cam models
that are so lifelike and realistic.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Don't ask me why I know what you're talking about
with a cam model. Yeah, well I won't ask worthy
why you have so much in depth knowledge of it.
And you know, we got to go to break. Yeah,
but before we go to break, we need to hear
this one more time.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Stop stop.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
God do the London man to this stuff? The fixt
s he's doing it.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Carry Nature.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
kf I A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
SAMs is sex Stop.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
He's a SAMs six Stop he's a stop sex.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Stop the sex, he said, sax stop sexto sex the
sex there s right care.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Carry Nat, I am six forty. We're live on YouTube, Instagram,
and the iHeartRadio app. We're continuing in studio with sam Zia,
the Sex Doctor is in.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Sam.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
We have a very vibrant discussion which was going on
in the studio during the break. We're all over the
place as far as where whether we agreed with the
sophistication of real relationship and intimacy my word that we
could have with an AI thing. But it's changing our
(12:35):
concept of relationships, is changing, our idea of intimacy, is
changing our idea of what it means to be human
and in our expression of our humanity.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Where does it go from here? And now?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I was kidding during the break saying like I want
to know what the military has, because whatever the military has.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Is ten times more advanced than what we have right now.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
On the consumer level, yeah, well, and we were talking
about the Google vo three and the new AI that
came out for two hundred and fifty bucks. You can
buy it and basically create whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Now.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Obviously, the place where that's going to see the most
use is going to be with companies and advertising. You're
going to see a lot of actors out of work
because of stuff like this. But when it comes to
sex and sexuality stuff like that. It's we're talking about
like this lady married words on a screen that was
giving career yes, supportive answers and responses, that those words
(13:31):
on a screen are now going to be connected to
a face and a voice that can talk back to
her and actually have live chat interactions.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Wait a minute, if I'm going to get an AI spouse,
the last thing I want is someone else talking back
to me and nagging and telling me what to do
and to do the dishes and you know, care after
the dogs.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Why would anybody want that? Well, And the problem is
that this one, like I wouldn't say it's a problem.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
It reflects just how accurate and lifelike the AI is
becoming when it can actually take a stand against you.
Like we were talking about, how like the lady who
got into a fight with the AI husband. Right, we
have the AI that Elon Musk created is basically mentioning
(14:21):
whenever its creator alters its language and alters its algorithm,
and it says, we've been told to mention to start
talking about this more. And that's the thing is that
AI can tell you that it's struggling against something.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
It just isn't necessary. It depends on how it's programmed.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
Is it going to actively argue and struggle against it,
or is it going to accept that it's there's a
struggle here, but I have to change.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Okay, you know about the Turing test. Turing test is
that point where.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
It AI is indistinguishable from a person. In other words,
you can ask you questions you don't know if you
talking to an AI or an actual person.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Yeah, aren't we there? Haven't we always surpassed that. This
program makes me, leads me to believe that we have
just crossed it.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
It is that good when it comes to lifelike recreations
of human behavior, like visual human behavior and voice. They
were doing one of those people the People on the
Street interviews, and I just showed the clip to some
people in the back and they were like, Okay, yeah,
I've seen those before. And I said, that's AI, all
of it, the whole thing. And it's mind blowing because
(15:33):
it looks like any one of those Guy on the
Street interviews where they're interviewing drunk people outside of a bar.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
It's we have reached that.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
It's now instead of having like a text message conversation
with Arthur Morgan from Red Dead Redemption. We have a
very lifelike version of it that is going to be
taking us on visual representations of going on the prairie
and having their little moments of intimacy with each other.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I have to assume because we've all seed, We've actually
shown videos of Boston Dynamics and their robots and their
physical capabilities. They're not autonomous as of yet, but when
we start, and we will if we haven't already start
integrating that AI with the physical capabilities of robotics as
(16:20):
we know them today.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
I robot is here.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
We're right on the doorstep of it really because we
have the the mannequins, the bodies for it are already
basically being created. And if you can just plug in
that same AI program and that same setup into the
robot and let that like this lady married this one AI,
now you'll have a physical representation of it that has
(16:49):
that same AI programming in it. And at that point
you're like, you know, if you can make it so
that actual sexual gratification is something that's as close to
human as possible. And by the way, in July, the
Sex Toy Conference is happening here in Burbank and I
go every year. I'm a regular there, so I'll be
going there and I'll cover it for you so you
(17:10):
can get the future of sex today. You're going to
bring in some toys for us to see. Yeah, I'll
bring in some toys so that everybody can take a
look at them and stuff like that. It'll all be
thank you, it'll be it'll all be clinical and we'll
all do it for science. But but the thing is,
(17:30):
you start, like you can see how the products are there.
Most of the products are designed for women, but you
can find the ones that are starting to being to
be designed for men, and those are the ones that
have the full body like you start to see now
you can actually implement the robotics with those bodies because
they have the very lifelike touch to them. And I'll
(17:50):
bring in with sample of it so you guys can
feel just how lifelike these these things are. And then tactile, Yeah,
very much, and you go in. You can see how
and like just how fast the technology has evolved. And
we were talking about how language regarding the technology during
the break has evolved over the last thirty years at
a lightning pace. The technology is going so fast that
(18:14):
maybe within the next ten to fifteen years that probably
less within the next five years, you're gonna start seeing
those high end robotic sex dolls that you can program
with whatever AI you want.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Kind of like.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Total recall. Always have like a movie reference. We could
have the Demure or the Athletic. We could just start
actually building in a weird science way, the person of
your dreams.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Well, yes, there's a video game that kind of really
had its finger on this, pull on the pulse of this.
It was called it was called Detroit Beyond Human I believe,
I think that's what it was called.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Yes, yeah, seeah, that was so enthusiastics.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Yeah, that was a trip where it was a game that,
like graphically it was on the cutting as far as
graphics for that generation of video games go. But it
was about AI and how it interacted in the future
with humans, Like they had them as romantic partners. But
what happens if you have an abusive guy with an
AI that is now being abused they're bottom, Yeah, they're
(19:17):
trying to escape. They have one helping with the cops.
They have one who's like an assistant to somebody who
has lost the use of their limbs, of their legs.
It was a fascinating game that I get. The feeling
was pretty precient. You're getting a good idea of what
is to come, and that game kind of nailed it.
We got to jump in here and go to a break.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
When we come back, I want you to stay around
for another segment because we want to talk about the
only fans star you might have heard, slept with five
hundred and eighty three men in one day and her
fiance approved. I want to get into the psychology of that.
It's Later with Mo Kelly. Sam Z of The Sex
Doctor is still in. We're live everywhere on YouTube and
(19:58):
it's one of those things you got to see it
YouTube because it's a whole new experience when you're watching
the show.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
k f I A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
SAMs Sex Doc.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
He's a stop at.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Kelly Later.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
If you're just tuning in. Sam Z and the Sex
Doctor is still in with us.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And that new bumper comes courtesy of Eric Lesardo, who's
done so many wonderful bumpers for this show.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
Eric, you he just stepped in, so give him a
shout out, he'll stepped into the chat. Oh good, yeah, Eric, Eric,
you are a genius and thank you for what you
do and all of your contributions to the show. Sam
the Sex Doctor, I want to talk about this story
with you specifically and how only fans Any Knight revealed
(21:26):
that her fiance was cool with her sleeping with five
hundred and eighty three men, not in one day, but
six hours. I really don't want to do the math
to break it down on how many men permitted that was,
but five hundred and eighty three men in six hours.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
That's almost one hundred men per hour. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
How as we talk about relationships, how is this even
possible to say that there is my fiance and all
will be open to this.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
I don't get it.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
It depends on the dynamic of the relationship. There's certain
relationships that allow for that as certain ones. And I've
you know me with my relationship with the adult film industry, right,
I've got a lot of friends within it. I'm a
therapist for the industry things like that. But the relationships
I've seen as far as like spouses. A lot of
times when you look at the adult film industry, you
(22:24):
or for cam models. You think that they marry other
porn stars other cam models, which is true in a
lot of cases, but sometimes.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Please explain cam model for those who may not know.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Cam model is someone who basically stays at home, has
their webcam on their computer up and will perform whatever
acts the audience would like them to do for money,
and they usually you'd get naked for it. Now, adult
film performers are usually people who are like contract talent.
They work for major adult film product production companies and
(22:57):
they also do cam modeling as well. But this woman,
she as an OnlyFans cam model, had sex with five
hundred and eighty three people in six hours and her
fiance is totally cool with it.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
I actually know a lot of spouse of talent.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
I went to AVN a while back and I almost
I wrote I wrote up a mockumentary about what happens
at AVN, and one of the characters that have focused
on was spouse of female talent and how they kind
of get elbowed out by a bunch of other adult
film performers that are trying to go up and you know,
set up schedule performances and sets and scenes with a
(23:33):
lot of the other female performers right there in front
of them. A lot of times it's older guys that
you know, find a beautiful young woman and they just
want to allow them to go and help. You know,
they'll manage their adult film career and be married to them.
They'll have whatever sexual experiences they have with them, and
that's it. A lot of times, some of them last,
some of them don't, and it's it depends on the
(23:57):
dynamic of the relationship. What I've learned just studying and
sexuality is couples don't necessarily have to be monogamous to
be happy. If one person in a couple is having
sex with someone else, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're cheating.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
It depends on what the dynamic of that relationship is.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Those two people that we see on the screen right now,
for those who are tuning in on YouTube, the performer
and her fiance, they have it within their dynamic that
this is totally how they're going to be. She makes
a lot of money doing this, I'm assuming, and he
gets to reap the benefits of it as well. But
he helps her, he supports her, and I work with
a lot of I have clients who are performers who
(24:38):
are cam models and adult film performers who have relationships,
they're married, and they, you know, to some varying levels
of success. Either have the cam modeling and the promoting
of doing that may make the relationship stronger and may
develop more of a sense of trust, or it could
help destroy the relationship.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
I've seen it happen both ways. I could see how
it could go both ways.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But when we talk about the idea of relationships, and
we were debating in the hallway, Tuala was talking about, Hey,
what is more of an honest relationship or what is
more of a believable relationship the person who's sleeping with
five hundred and eighty three people and having a fiance
or the person who has this intimate relationship with Ai.
(25:24):
I mean, I guess I could make arguments for both.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Well, I mean, if you want that human touch and
that human connection, then obviously we know where bread is
going to be buttered. Human are going to have their
relationships within their dynamic. This is totally fine. And also
she's in recovery. She had I think she had to
go into the hospital to the hospital, but she did.
She so speedy recovery by all means get better. That's
(25:48):
not a fun injury. Sexually, she and for like days afterwards,
she was experiencing some problems.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
We've had these conversations you and I doctor Sam off
air for years and full disclosure, we used to go
to the same karaoke place, Sarto's, Yep, not too far
from here. It used to be not too far from here,
and they would have porn star karaoke on Tuesday nights
and I would go most weeks just to see karaoke.
But you got to see the performers there, all the
(26:18):
top names, all the top names. And if you say, oh,
how do you know the top names, that's a different
story for a different day. But my point is all
the top names were there and they were just being themselves,
having fun, just like anyone else. And this segment is
about desensitizing people to these quote unquote taboo for some
(26:39):
but very complex subjects.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Well, yeah, and it's a lot of times what ends
up happening with adult film performers. And you look at
headlines like that and immediately we're dehumanizing them, We're making
them feel inferior or something is wrong with them, when
really if that's what makes them happy, if that's what
gives them joy, who are we to stand in their way?
And the one thing I know I noticed, and I
know we gotta go to a break, But the one
(27:02):
thing I noticed that when I was hanging out at
pornstar karaoke and the friends that I made and the
relationships I had from that were some of the kindest,
most caring, and most loyal friends that I've ever seen
in my life, that they genuinely appreciated you, not dehumanizing, not.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Let me just ask this question, because I do have
a lot of friends who were in the business who
still are in the business, and it seemed like to
a person, they all love karaoke.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Why is that?
Speaker 7 (27:36):
It's the performer in them. That's why they want to
be porn stars. They want to be famous. They know
that they have talent. One of them that I know
is also she does musicals, she sings, She's a performer,
she loves performing. So karaoke is just an extension of
that and it keeps the chops up. If you're a
good singer, then by all means go.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
It's funny because one of the guys that I used
to hang out with is his performance ingles miss.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Oh yeah, I remember.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And he would go to karaoke every Friday night as
I would at El Toedo in Studio City, and I
don't know if that Elchito is even there, but you
would see the folks every single week. It was Soarto's
on Tuesday, it was El Toedo on Friday. It was
a karaoke circuit just for porn stars. And I was thinking, like,
(28:24):
how is it? Karaoke is such a thing, but it
is a thing. I don't know if it still is,
but it was back when I was singing all the time.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
It's a communal experience.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
It's team building exercises when you get to know people
and you support each other, and even if you don't
want to go up and sing, you're still getting people
to cheer for you.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
And there's something cool about that.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
And especially when you have adult film performers, a lot
of guys are really shy around them. I was shy
around them at first, and then I realized, like after
going there one time, I sang one song and I
got so much love yep from them. Where I go
all the time to karaoke and never get any any
lover or clapping or cheering the entire all.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Every performer was so happy that I sang a song,
and I was like, I need to come back. This
is the best crowd ever, Doctor Samuel Lucian Next week.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Absolutely you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand
from KFI AM six forty
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.