June 6, 2025 • 26 mins
ICYMI: ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – ‘The Sex Doctor Is In’ w/ Sam Zia; MA LMFT (#106352), PhD Candidate, Human Sexuality, delving into the difficulty of couples “breaking up,” especially when sex is still involved…PLUS – A look at the unintended consequences of “young, female, OnlyFans stars making their lives look aspirational” - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
kf I A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
SAMs Sex Doc.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
He's a SAMs stop.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
He's a sex sex sex Sex Sex Kelly later.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Leach mo k if I am six forty is Later
with Mo Kelly Live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app the
Sex Doctor is in Doc SAMs.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Good to see you. How are you feeling tonight? That's right,
there's a button. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I'm not used to being on this side of this,
usually on the technical director side. Yeah, I'm good. I've
had an interesting day, long day today. My dog was six,
so I had to go and take him to the
vet and make sure he was okay, Okay, Marley's good.
He's an old dog, but he's still kicking all right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I empathize with you because I we worry about them
at all times, oh for sure.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
And yeah you've seen you've met Marley before, so yeah,
you know how much of an awesome dog is. So
I had a little moment of trepidation today, but I
was able to you know, dog's fine.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
He's on an all boiled chicken diet. Good. Good enough.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Right now to the matter at hand, when we talk
about sex, I always say they are There are various
levels of importance in a relationship. In other words, when
you talk about sex, you're also talking about a relationship
of some level of some sort, and it doesn't have
to be explicitly sexual.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
It is just how people relate and interact. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Yeah, there's basically every interaction you have with any human
regardless of if you're having sex or if you're in
an intimate dating relationship. Every interaction you have is a
relationship in and of itself. So you know, sometimes if
you're just you know, a person, you're asking for what
time it is, that's a very brief relationship. You don't
have to worry about any breakups or any emotions there.
(02:21):
But when you have more long term, you know, like
intimate relationships, walking away from those relationships tend to be
a little bit harder. And I was having a hard
time thinking about stuff to talk about today until certain
events happened on social media and I was like, you know, what,
breaking up sounds like something that we should be talking about.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I know Neil Sedaka somewhere saying, hey, I should do
a song about breaking up.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I think Adele has made her entire career off of it.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Let me ask you this, and I think I know
the answer, but I wanted to hear it through your
lens and how you see the world. Why is it
After you have a sexual relationship with someone for any
amount of time, the more difficult, the more emotional, the
breakup tends to be.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Well, sex and emotions tend to get conflated with each other.
Some people can compartmentalize it, and that sex the relationship
of sex can be transactional, whether it's you know, you're
giving me pleasure and thank you very much and I'll
see you next time, or you know that could be
a financial transaction behind it. But there's when it comes
to intimate relationships, sex and emotions tend to blur together.
(03:31):
And that's the thing is that a lot of times
when people are walking away and breaking up, they are
breaking up with more than just that person. They're breaking
up with a lot of the habits that they had
to build around that relationship.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
That's a great point.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
So it's not just I'm not losing the person. I
have this giant void in my life that not only
that doesn't get filled, but gets triggered and gets tripped
over every single time I see anything that reminds me
of that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Other person, I'm just remembering all the bad break up.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
And that's the thing I've I work a lot of
times with couples. I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist,
so I do a lot of work with couples who
are obviously, you know, trying to make things work. But
a lot of the couples I work with are ones
that are breaking up, and the way that they interact
with each other, particularly if they have kids, determines the
outcome on if people's feelings are going to be hurt,
(04:22):
whether they're looking back during the time that you had
together with positive feelings or if you're looking at back
at it with a lot of negativity. Now, ways to
break up, I mean, it's really it's important to just
be able to safely and effectively break up with someone.
The best thing you can do is not send any
mixed messages about what you're doing. Make sure that you
know what you're saying, You're sure about what you're doing,
(04:42):
don't flip flop on it, don't go back and forth like, oh,
I don't think I want to be with you, but
I'm not sure you know that's easier said than done
when you're talking about the totality and complexity of the
emotions involved wrapped up in and around the sex as well. Yeah,
easier said than done for sure. And here's the thing,
and it's same with sex and it's same with relationships.
(05:04):
Communication is key if you're communicating needs sexually as well
as boundaries and needs sexually and within relationships. If you're
doing that effectively, then if things turn out that you
guys are not in a good place at the end
of it, if you find out you're not a good fit,
breaking up is super easy to do because you've already
communicated boundaries and you're seeing where things aren't quite fitting.
(05:25):
So you're now easier and more likely to say, you
know what, we're not fitting with each other. You know what,
I like what we had, but probably best if we
step away. If you're not having that effective communication of
needs and boundaries within the relationship, a lot of times
that's really based in on shame. A lot of people
are really ashamed about some of the things that they
want to talk about feelings that they may have, so
(05:45):
they hold them back, and it really requires a lot
of safety to communicate uncomfortable topics and uncomfortable things with
each other so that you can actually make it so
you can break up effectively.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Okay, you say can break up effectively.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
If we were to generalize in your professional opinion your
experiences dealing with couples, is one sex better or more
adept at navigating breakups than the other?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
No, No, it's different between every individual person. Some people
develop such a sense of familiarity within the relationship that
they don't know what life looks like without that other person.
So there may be somebody who that one within the relationship.
One person may be harboring the idea of wanting to
walk away from the relationship for years, but not knowing
(06:33):
how to address it, not knowing how to bring it up,
constantly feeling shamed about anything that feels a little bit different,
while the other person may be feeling totally fine about
the relationship. So by the time the point comes up
where it says the person says, I'm done, we need
to break this off, one person has had a year,
several years long head start on the idea of walking away,
while it's hitting another person like a brick at that moment.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Ah, that's deep.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeah, that's deep, but also the person who gets hit
with the brick like emotions that probably sets into motion
the bad breakup.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Am I wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Well, And that's where communication throughout the relationship is so important.
And if you don't have that good communication throughout the relationship,
it is vital to not send mixed messages if you
are in the process of trying to break up with somebody,
because for that entire length of time that you were together,
they may not even know that you were unhappy, and
now all of a sudden you're hitting them with that
(07:29):
you can't hit them with like a half assed approach,
like well, if only this could be a little different.
Note it's like, you know what, we're not right. We
need to end this, And as difficult as it may
be and as hard as it may be for the
other person, it creates more of a sense of respect
for each other because you didn't lie to each other,
you didn't drag it out, you didn't make it so
(07:50):
that the other person felt like they were gas lit
by the entire relationship just in and of itself.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
When we come back, we'll have more on breaking up
and also the sexual component in that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
With doctor Sam, you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly
on demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It's Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We're still with the sex doctor who's giving us advice.
Sam Zia, we're Life Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and
we're talking about breakups and also let's get more into
the whole idea of how sex is a variable may
play a role. You said last segment that there should
be no mixed messages, but we also know about the
(08:33):
complexity of relationships and the complexity of emotions, and you
may have someone who wants to leave but is not
maybe fully committed to the idea, and then they may
continue to have sex with that person and then things
get confused.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I don't blame.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
A person who may send mixed messages because they themselves
are maybe unsure.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, they may be feeling conflicted about everything and not
quite sure where things are going. And good sex is
a great, great band aid on a bad relationship.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
But say it again, goodcause that's the pull quote for
this whole movie.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Good sex is a great band aid for a bad relationship.
You'll put up with a lot for some good sex,
oh absolutely, and the feelings of good you know, like that,
inflate your ego with good sex and all of that stuff.
It makes it so that you really become blind to
glaring red flags within the relationship a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So yeah, it's important to be able if you are
breaking up.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Sometimes breakups, when they happen, they both A lot of times,
especially nowadays, you find couples who break up but can't
afford to move away from each other, so they're still
cohabiting in the same place. And that's where you usually
find people who have broken up but still have sex
involved with the relationship because they don't have the ability
to go out and have other sexual partners because they
(09:52):
still live together. And that's where the idea of mixed
messages is huge, because sex sends a gigantic message in
that situation.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I know you probably can't quantify this, and this is
not something which is revelatory, but as best you can describe.
Why is sex so powerful in the sense of overpowering
logic and just good sense?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, no, you will do a lot of stupid stuff
for sex. Oh, absolutely, Logic goes out the window. Logic
whispers emotions and hormones and body parts yell through megathones
it's logic will sit there whispering to you.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know that's not Maybe that may not be a
good idea today. Well, your hormones are going I really
want to do that. So who wins? Oh, the person
who yells constantly.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
And it's what leads to a lot a lot of times,
you know, people making decisions that they regret sexually and
things like that. But it's important to be able to
recognize the logic aspect behind it. You have to look
at why you're that within whispering behind you is sitting
there trying to warn you away from it. And with
(11:04):
dating and relationships, that whisper is something that's trying to
tell you, you know, this might.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Not be the right thing.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
It might be the best thing for the next twenty
five minutes. It's gonna be something that feels cathartic.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
In that moment, You're gonna get a good feeling and
that good sexual rush that everybody loves. And at the
end of it, you're just going back to exactly the
same problems that you guys had and the sex you
had just created a bigger hole to dig out of.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Why is it you think that breakups can be so
difficult for one party to navigate how you have a
jilted lover. They feel that they've somehow been misled mistreated,
and we all know how it goes south from there.
And I believe that it's always going to lead back
to sex on some level.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, it if somebody feels misled jilted, it can lead
back to sex. It a lot of times it comes
back to expectations. People a lot of times will have
unrealistic expectations about relationships or the person they're in the
relationship with, and sometimes that person doesn't that they're with
doesn't meet those expectations, and then they start finding ways
(12:11):
to destroy the relationship. But they don't want to be
the person responsible for the destruction of the relationships. They
just slowly erode it over time. For some people, sex
is very, very very important. It could be very very
important important in the way that hey, we're.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Only going to date, We're going to date for least
six months before we have sex.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
They place it on that type of pedestal. And for
other people it's like, yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Know, one nine stand whatever, Yeah, what what do you
think that comes from?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Why is it?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Some people place everything on sex, and some people can
be very casual about it.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
It's based off of their expectations of what sex actually means.
Ah Okay, people go in a lot of times thinking,
if I have sex with this person, it's because I'm
building this emotional connection with them, and some people have
sex to a void having.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Emotional So that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
It's a matter of what that individual is expecting from
that relationship. And especially you know, when you're talking about breakups,
like we were, sex and breakups become amplified when it
comes to social media.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Why is said because.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
There are people who will after you know, I've seen
people when they break up go to social media and
start bad mouthing the other partner and start saying some
really harsh negative stuff that may be sexually based, maybe
talking about like maybe talking about body size or appendage
size or whatever. And that's where it's like, you're now
(13:39):
showing us who you are. Your bad mouthing isn't necessarily
making the other person look bad. It may make them
look bad, obviously, but it's making you look worse.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So when you see two people.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Who are in a relationship that's ending or has ended,
and they're just sniping back and forth at each other
on social media. Then you start seeing you know, the
problem may not be with the person who's taking the
shots right now. They may be right with what they're saying,
but there's something wrong with them for taking this public.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Let me ask you about sex and expectations, which could
be pre relationship, during relationship, and post relationship. And I
always wonder about stereotypes and suppositions when it comes to
sex and expectations. I was always of the opinion that
women were more likely to conflate sex and emotion or
requiring that emotional component.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
By and large, I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Across the board is that true As far as men
being able to separate sex and emotion better than women.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Men, I get the feeling pretend that they can. It's
a great distinction.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I feel like there's the expectation on men to be
able to have sexual relationships without that emotion and it's
a sign of their virility. And guys give each other
high fives in the bar and all of that stuff
because of it.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, and not just on a belt and keeping scoring
that kind of die.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Absolutely, But at the end of the day, if that
person who's getting all those notches under the belt is
still alone They're not going to be feeling so great
about those notches and under the belt unless they're talking
with people who are giving them a high five, unless
they're getting that approval from other people. If they're by themselves,
it kind of sucks if you need other people's approval,
(15:22):
If you have somebody else who's there, it makes it
a lot easier. You have to have a different approach
to the relationship. You can't look at it from the
way you would look at it like this is just
another conquest. This is someone that you're sharing life with
and sex with and sexual experiences with. And a lot
of times people break up good relationships because of bad communication.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
When you say bad communication, you mentioned social media. My
last question to you is this has social media in
a general sense made breakups that much worse because everyone
is more privy to details of the relationship, even the
breakup that they didn't have to they wouldn't know previously.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, it brings up the idea, should you block the
person you just broke up with?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Okay, let's see, because I've been blocked and I blocked people.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Yeah, Now it comes down to if you are okay
with that person afterwards. Like a lot of times when
you break up with somebody. Part of it the breakup
is establishing the boundaries the new dynamic of the new
relationship you have going forward. If you can't be friends
with each other, that means you're cutting things off. You
don't want to talk to them anymore. If you want
to be friends with them, then prepare to go on
(16:34):
Instagram see them with you know, posting pictures of first
traps and posting pictures on themselves with their first trap,
with their latest secondizing Yeah, no, having pictures of them
with their latest sexual conquests. And you're sitting there being like,
I'm feeling some kind of something about it. If you are,
If you're okay with it, then go ahead and like it,
move on, swipe up and keep moving. If you don't
(16:56):
like it and it causes that emotional distress within you,
then block them. You don't need to see that, You
don't need to be a part of that anymore. That's
not your life anymore. You can let them go on
and be happy. And it goes to the idea of
people who are happy.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
But I still love her. You know, she broke up
with me. I didn't ask her to lee.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Yeah, then it means if you really love her, you
want to see her happy. It doesn't matter if it's
with you or not.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
But many times it's possessive, and that's where the problem is.
If somebody is looking at another person as a possession,
then you are not going to have a very successful
relationship long term. That other person is going to know
that they're feeling like you are theirs, and sometimes they
get a lot of security and sense of safety out
of that feeling.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
But that feeling can.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Ease, like those boundaries can be easily overstepped and people
can feel controlled, and that's where things fall apart.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Sam the Sex Doctor.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
How can people reach out to you for more advice insight?
Obviously you're a certified therapist. How can people reach out?
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Yeah, you can hit me up on my Instagram at
sam z On if you want, you can hit me
up on the was it Psychology Today?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Page? Sam's license number one zero six three five two.
It's later with Mo Kelly. It's always great to see you, Sam.
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yes, sir, We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app, and
believe it or not, we have.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
An only fans update. Maybe you shouldn't leave, Sam, Oh, no, yeah,
you just you saw my eyebrow? Yes, but did you
see mine? I thought you were going to toss to
me with only Fans toss I was going to do.
Did you want to shout out your page? Did you
find it? My only fans listen? You know? OK? If
I do, just don't pay. Well, we gotta make that money.
(18:34):
Oh she said that.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
I was about to start showing my feet, just saying yeah,
no one has to see your face.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Heather. You know you can do it under the table. Literally.
I'm on there right now. All right, Heather Brooker.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
KFI.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
It's Later with mo Kelly Live where they iHeartRadio appened.
Doctor Samsea heard are teas for this segment, and he said, well,
let me just hang around for a while. I might
be able to offer something on the subject. I don't
assume that everyone knows what only Fans is. For the uninitiated,
OnlyFans is a content amateur content creation aggregator where if
(19:21):
I wanted to, I could get on OnlyFans, start an
OnlyFans page, show pictures of my life, show pictures of
my feet, whatever, and then I get to set the
price point for people to have a subscription. Now you
can start off where people have free subscriptions, and then
it may turn into a paid subscription.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I've heard, I don't know, I've been told.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I've heard that people will charge upwards of you know,
twenty nine ninety nine a month or something like that.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
They'll offer a yearly subscription.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Long point short is people have turned into instant multi
millionaires by only fans. Not all people do nudity or
forms of nudity. Sometimes people will just show pictures of
their feet or their hands. I've seen hand models, Sam,
you know more about this world than I do.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
How would you characterize OnlyFans.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
It's a place where people go to make money. They're
putting whatever they can out there. It doesn't necessarily have
to be nude or explicit content. It could just be
people wanting to talk about video games, it people doing comedy.
It could be just about anything. And now, the thing
that's most known for and the thing that seems to
(20:33):
generate the most money are people who are using it
to distribute or do live explicit content.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
How much money have you heard people have been making
in a given year over million dollars easily. Some people
that I've heard have pulled in at least six figures
or sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Eight figures. Eight figures.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And these are oftentimes random people when I mean random,
not professionals just decided to do this.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Yeah, I work one of my jobs obviously, I'm a
licensed marriage and family therapist. I work for an organization
called Pineapple Support. They offer mental health services to sex workers,
cam models, porn stars, things like that. So I have
a lot of clients who are cam models, and they
went from places like they were working in kitchens working
(21:22):
as chefs, or they were working get just doing minimum
wage jobs. And the thing that was the big moment
that led people into that was the pandemic where a
bunch of industries shut down.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
People got laid off, people got fired.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Nobody knew when they were going to get back to work,
nobody knew how they were going to make money, and
it became a thing of desperation. They needed to make
money anyway they could, any way possible. And so one
of my clients went from being a minimum wage worker
to making six figures within two months.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
And this is not work in the sense of when
you're putting in eight hours or twelve hours on a set,
working with six or seven different people, with the physical
toll it may put on you.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
This is just your own creativity.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
You're at home, you're in your own comfortable setting. You
choose your hours, you choose when you want to go.
You can set up a schedule for it. You can
shoot content with other people and post it on there
and have people pay for each individual scene that you shoot.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
There's a thousand such individual photo.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah, there's one thousand and one different ways to make
money on there, and people have a lot of times
like say, for example, we talk a lot about the
porn industry before the pandemic, the porn industry looked at
only fans and sites like that with a little bit
of like they look down upon them a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
If you go to like AVN, really, yeah, have a surprise.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
If you go to like AVN, there would always be
the booth for the cam models, like specifically who were
there for the companies that were you know, like the
specific websites that we're doing that were filming or doing
the footage. The rest of the people who were contract
talent at first weren't holding them at the same standards,
and they were holding each other separate. You could tell
they were like it was kind of a niche. They
(23:04):
were owned in their own individual groups. Now, especially after
the pandemic, it made it so that, you know, the industry,
the first industry to come back during the pandemic was
the porn industry because they're very good about how they
keep things clean on set, so they had great protocol
when it came to COVID, and so they came back
faster than any other industry. But what happened during in
(23:27):
the meantime was that all of those performers found out
they were making way more money without having to filter
money through the companies and the production companies and the
corporations and all of the other middlemen, and just do
it directly from their own house, not worrying about going
to a set, and make more money, have more interaction
with their fans, do less work that and have more
(23:48):
control over their work. So people who are porn stars
now found that this was a great way to make money.
Now you see the production companies coming out with their
own sites, using their own contract talents.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Let me ask you this, since OnlyFans doesn't limit itself.
As far as successibility, you have younger and younger, and
this is the real point of the story. Content creators
offering does it even have to be explicit content, but
they're offering content and they are teenagers or teenage adjacent.
Do you have any trepidation or concern about where OnlyFans
(24:23):
is going as far as shaping the minds of younger
people who have access to not only content creation, but
content consumption.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah, uh well, I mean it just provides a means
of people getting more attention. I think it's not just
with Only Fans. You see a lot of content creators
using Instagram, using TikTok, using all these other sites to
find ways to generate that attention and put the spotlight
on them so that they can get money or get
clout or whatever they're looking for in that moment. There
(24:52):
are a lot of young people that do go and
look at only Fans as a first option. Yes, specific
and just like you would say there's a lot of
people who just turn eighteen and look at stripping as
an option.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
That's that's true. That's a real thing.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Instead of instead of being in a situation where like
say a person who turns eighteen, Like I'm gonna go
and you know, I'm in college, but i want to
make some extra money, so I'm gonna strip at night,
and nobody's gonna know about it. Those people are gonna
be way I mean, seriously, there was a lot of
people in the eighties, nineties, early two thousands that made
a lot of money doing that. There's way more money
to be made on only fans, and you're in a
(25:28):
way more safe, controlled environment at home to make all
of that money. And you see a lot of people
who go from situations where they have no money to
all of a sudden they have all the money they
can handle. And there's a lot of you know, obviously
there's you know, people get very happy. A lot of
problems go away with that, but you get a whole
new world of problems that come with it.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And I always say, you know, choose your problems, don't
let your problems choose you.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Absolutely, absolutely, And that's that's the thing. If you can afford,
if you can make enough money to make your problems
go away, then more power to you. But if you
a lot of people if they can't and they end
up like doing stuff within the industry, and some people
find ways to keep it going and find or successfully
walk away with no guilt, no shame, and some people
(26:13):
end up being like, yeah, I definitely needed the money,
but now I'm feeling a little bit off that I have,
you know, bits and pieces of me floating around on the.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Internet forever forever.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
And the thing is if a lot, when you make
a lot of money, it can give you a lot
more money to afford really good therapy to deal.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
With it, and they'll come see Sam Zu. Thanks, Thanks Tom.
It's Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
kf I A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
SAMs Sex Doc.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
He's a SAMs stop.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
He's a sex sex sex Sex Sex Kelly later.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Leach mo k if I am six forty is Later
with Mo Kelly Live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app the
Sex Doctor is in Doc SAMs.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Good to see you. How are you feeling tonight? That's right,
there's a button. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I'm not used to being on this side of this,
usually on the technical director side. Yeah, I'm good. I've
had an interesting day, long day today. My dog was six,
so I had to go and take him to the
vet and make sure he was okay, Okay, Marley's good.
He's an old dog, but he's still kicking all right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I empathize with you because I we worry about them
at all times, oh for sure.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
And yeah you've seen you've met Marley before, so yeah,
you know how much of an awesome dog is. So
I had a little moment of trepidation today, but I
was able to you know, dog's fine.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
He's on an all boiled chicken diet. Good. Good enough.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Right now to the matter at hand, when we talk
about sex, I always say they are There are various
levels of importance in a relationship. In other words, when
you talk about sex, you're also talking about a relationship
of some level of some sort, and it doesn't have
to be explicitly sexual.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
It is just how people relate and interact. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Yeah, there's basically every interaction you have with any human
regardless of if you're having sex or if you're in
an intimate dating relationship. Every interaction you have is a
relationship in and of itself. So you know, sometimes if
you're just you know, a person, you're asking for what
time it is, that's a very brief relationship. You don't
have to worry about any breakups or any emotions there.
(02:21):
But when you have more long term, you know, like
intimate relationships, walking away from those relationships tend to be
a little bit harder. And I was having a hard
time thinking about stuff to talk about today until certain
events happened on social media and I was like, you know, what,
breaking up sounds like something that we should be talking about.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I know Neil Sedaka somewhere saying, hey, I should do
a song about breaking up.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I think Adele has made her entire career off of it.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Let me ask you this, and I think I know
the answer, but I wanted to hear it through your
lens and how you see the world. Why is it
After you have a sexual relationship with someone for any
amount of time, the more difficult, the more emotional, the
breakup tends to be.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Well, sex and emotions tend to get conflated with each other.
Some people can compartmentalize it, and that sex the relationship
of sex can be transactional, whether it's you know, you're
giving me pleasure and thank you very much and I'll
see you next time, or you know that could be
a financial transaction behind it. But there's when it comes
to intimate relationships, sex and emotions tend to blur together.
(03:31):
And that's the thing is that a lot of times
when people are walking away and breaking up, they are
breaking up with more than just that person. They're breaking
up with a lot of the habits that they had
to build around that relationship.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
That's a great point.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
So it's not just I'm not losing the person. I
have this giant void in my life that not only
that doesn't get filled, but gets triggered and gets tripped
over every single time I see anything that reminds me
of that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Other person, I'm just remembering all the bad break up.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
And that's the thing I've I work a lot of
times with couples. I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist,
so I do a lot of work with couples who
are obviously, you know, trying to make things work. But
a lot of the couples I work with are ones
that are breaking up, and the way that they interact
with each other, particularly if they have kids, determines the
outcome on if people's feelings are going to be hurt,
(04:22):
whether they're looking back during the time that you had
together with positive feelings or if you're looking at back
at it with a lot of negativity. Now, ways to
break up, I mean, it's really it's important to just
be able to safely and effectively break up with someone.
The best thing you can do is not send any
mixed messages about what you're doing. Make sure that you
know what you're saying, You're sure about what you're doing,
(04:42):
don't flip flop on it, don't go back and forth like, oh,
I don't think I want to be with you, but
I'm not sure you know that's easier said than done
when you're talking about the totality and complexity of the
emotions involved wrapped up in and around the sex as well. Yeah,
easier said than done for sure. And here's the thing,
and it's same with sex and it's same with relationships.
(05:04):
Communication is key if you're communicating needs sexually as well
as boundaries and needs sexually and within relationships. If you're
doing that effectively, then if things turn out that you
guys are not in a good place at the end
of it, if you find out you're not a good fit,
breaking up is super easy to do because you've already
communicated boundaries and you're seeing where things aren't quite fitting.
(05:25):
So you're now easier and more likely to say, you
know what, we're not fitting with each other. You know what,
I like what we had, but probably best if we
step away. If you're not having that effective communication of
needs and boundaries within the relationship, a lot of times
that's really based in on shame. A lot of people
are really ashamed about some of the things that they
want to talk about feelings that they may have, so
(05:45):
they hold them back, and it really requires a lot
of safety to communicate uncomfortable topics and uncomfortable things with
each other so that you can actually make it so
you can break up effectively.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Okay, you say can break up effectively.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
If we were to generalize in your professional opinion your
experiences dealing with couples, is one sex better or more
adept at navigating breakups than the other?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
No, No, it's different between every individual person. Some people
develop such a sense of familiarity within the relationship that
they don't know what life looks like without that other person.
So there may be somebody who that one within the relationship.
One person may be harboring the idea of wanting to
walk away from the relationship for years, but not knowing
(06:33):
how to address it, not knowing how to bring it up,
constantly feeling shamed about anything that feels a little bit different,
while the other person may be feeling totally fine about
the relationship. So by the time the point comes up
where it says the person says, I'm done, we need
to break this off, one person has had a year,
several years long head start on the idea of walking away,
while it's hitting another person like a brick at that moment.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Ah, that's deep.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeah, that's deep, but also the person who gets hit
with the brick like emotions that probably sets into motion
the bad breakup.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Am I wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Well, And that's where communication throughout the relationship is so important.
And if you don't have that good communication throughout the relationship,
it is vital to not send mixed messages if you
are in the process of trying to break up with somebody,
because for that entire length of time that you were together,
they may not even know that you were unhappy, and
now all of a sudden you're hitting them with that
(07:29):
you can't hit them with like a half assed approach,
like well, if only this could be a little different.
Note it's like, you know what, we're not right. We
need to end this, And as difficult as it may
be and as hard as it may be for the
other person, it creates more of a sense of respect
for each other because you didn't lie to each other,
you didn't drag it out, you didn't make it so
(07:50):
that the other person felt like they were gas lit
by the entire relationship just in and of itself.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
When we come back, we'll have more on breaking up
and also the sexual component in that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
With doctor Sam, you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly
on demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It's Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We're still with the sex doctor who's giving us advice.
Sam Zia, we're Life Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and
we're talking about breakups and also let's get more into
the whole idea of how sex is a variable may
play a role. You said last segment that there should
be no mixed messages, but we also know about the
(08:33):
complexity of relationships and the complexity of emotions, and you
may have someone who wants to leave but is not
maybe fully committed to the idea, and then they may
continue to have sex with that person and then things
get confused.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I don't blame.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
A person who may send mixed messages because they themselves
are maybe unsure.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, they may be feeling conflicted about everything and not
quite sure where things are going. And good sex is
a great, great band aid on a bad relationship.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
But say it again, goodcause that's the pull quote for
this whole movie.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Good sex is a great band aid for a bad relationship.
You'll put up with a lot for some good sex,
oh absolutely, and the feelings of good you know, like that,
inflate your ego with good sex and all of that stuff.
It makes it so that you really become blind to
glaring red flags within the relationship a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So yeah, it's important to be able if you are
breaking up.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Sometimes breakups, when they happen, they both A lot of times,
especially nowadays, you find couples who break up but can't
afford to move away from each other, so they're still
cohabiting in the same place. And that's where you usually
find people who have broken up but still have sex
involved with the relationship because they don't have the ability
to go out and have other sexual partners because they
(09:52):
still live together. And that's where the idea of mixed
messages is huge, because sex sends a gigantic message in
that situation.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I know you probably can't quantify this, and this is
not something which is revelatory, but as best you can describe.
Why is sex so powerful in the sense of overpowering
logic and just good sense?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, no, you will do a lot of stupid stuff
for sex. Oh, absolutely, Logic goes out the window. Logic
whispers emotions and hormones and body parts yell through megathones
it's logic will sit there whispering to you.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know that's not Maybe that may not be a
good idea today. Well, your hormones are going I really
want to do that. So who wins? Oh, the person
who yells constantly.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
And it's what leads to a lot a lot of times,
you know, people making decisions that they regret sexually and
things like that. But it's important to be able to
recognize the logic aspect behind it. You have to look
at why you're that within whispering behind you is sitting
there trying to warn you away from it. And with
(11:04):
dating and relationships, that whisper is something that's trying to
tell you, you know, this might.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Not be the right thing.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
It might be the best thing for the next twenty
five minutes. It's gonna be something that feels cathartic.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
In that moment, You're gonna get a good feeling and
that good sexual rush that everybody loves. And at the
end of it, you're just going back to exactly the
same problems that you guys had and the sex you
had just created a bigger hole to dig out of.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Why is it you think that breakups can be so
difficult for one party to navigate how you have a
jilted lover. They feel that they've somehow been misled mistreated,
and we all know how it goes south from there.
And I believe that it's always going to lead back
to sex on some level.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, it if somebody feels misled jilted, it can lead
back to sex. It a lot of times it comes
back to expectations. People a lot of times will have
unrealistic expectations about relationships or the person they're in the
relationship with, and sometimes that person doesn't that they're with
doesn't meet those expectations, and then they start finding ways
(12:11):
to destroy the relationship. But they don't want to be
the person responsible for the destruction of the relationships. They
just slowly erode it over time. For some people, sex
is very, very very important. It could be very very
important important in the way that hey, we're.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Only going to date, We're going to date for least
six months before we have sex.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
They place it on that type of pedestal. And for
other people it's like, yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Know, one nine stand whatever, Yeah, what what do you
think that comes from?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Why is it?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Some people place everything on sex, and some people can
be very casual about it.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
It's based off of their expectations of what sex actually means.
Ah Okay, people go in a lot of times thinking,
if I have sex with this person, it's because I'm
building this emotional connection with them, and some people have
sex to a void having.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Emotional So that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
It's a matter of what that individual is expecting from
that relationship. And especially you know, when you're talking about breakups,
like we were, sex and breakups become amplified when it
comes to social media.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Why is said because.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
There are people who will after you know, I've seen
people when they break up go to social media and
start bad mouthing the other partner and start saying some
really harsh negative stuff that may be sexually based, maybe
talking about like maybe talking about body size or appendage
size or whatever. And that's where it's like, you're now
(13:39):
showing us who you are. Your bad mouthing isn't necessarily
making the other person look bad. It may make them
look bad, obviously, but it's making you look worse.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So when you see two people.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Who are in a relationship that's ending or has ended,
and they're just sniping back and forth at each other
on social media. Then you start seeing you know, the
problem may not be with the person who's taking the
shots right now. They may be right with what they're saying,
but there's something wrong with them for taking this public.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Let me ask you about sex and expectations, which could
be pre relationship, during relationship, and post relationship. And I
always wonder about stereotypes and suppositions when it comes to
sex and expectations. I was always of the opinion that
women were more likely to conflate sex and emotion or
requiring that emotional component.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
By and large, I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Across the board is that true As far as men
being able to separate sex and emotion better than women.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Men, I get the feeling pretend that they can. It's
a great distinction.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I feel like there's the expectation on men to be
able to have sexual relationships without that emotion and it's
a sign of their virility. And guys give each other
high fives in the bar and all of that stuff
because of it.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, and not just on a belt and keeping scoring
that kind of die.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Absolutely, But at the end of the day, if that
person who's getting all those notches under the belt is
still alone They're not going to be feeling so great
about those notches and under the belt unless they're talking
with people who are giving them a high five, unless
they're getting that approval from other people. If they're by themselves,
it kind of sucks if you need other people's approval,
(15:22):
If you have somebody else who's there, it makes it
a lot easier. You have to have a different approach
to the relationship. You can't look at it from the
way you would look at it like this is just
another conquest. This is someone that you're sharing life with
and sex with and sexual experiences with. And a lot
of times people break up good relationships because of bad communication.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
When you say bad communication, you mentioned social media. My
last question to you is this has social media in
a general sense made breakups that much worse because everyone
is more privy to details of the relationship, even the
breakup that they didn't have to they wouldn't know previously.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, it brings up the idea, should you block the
person you just broke up with?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Okay, let's see, because I've been blocked and I blocked people.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Yeah, Now it comes down to if you are okay
with that person afterwards. Like a lot of times when
you break up with somebody. Part of it the breakup
is establishing the boundaries the new dynamic of the new
relationship you have going forward. If you can't be friends
with each other, that means you're cutting things off. You
don't want to talk to them anymore. If you want
to be friends with them, then prepare to go on
(16:34):
Instagram see them with you know, posting pictures of first
traps and posting pictures on themselves with their first trap,
with their latest secondizing Yeah, no, having pictures of them
with their latest sexual conquests. And you're sitting there being like,
I'm feeling some kind of something about it. If you are,
If you're okay with it, then go ahead and like it,
move on, swipe up and keep moving. If you don't
(16:56):
like it and it causes that emotional distress within you,
then block them. You don't need to see that, You
don't need to be a part of that anymore. That's
not your life anymore. You can let them go on
and be happy. And it goes to the idea of
people who are happy.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
But I still love her. You know, she broke up
with me. I didn't ask her to lee.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Yeah, then it means if you really love her, you
want to see her happy. It doesn't matter if it's
with you or not.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
But many times it's possessive, and that's where the problem is.
If somebody is looking at another person as a possession,
then you are not going to have a very successful
relationship long term. That other person is going to know
that they're feeling like you are theirs, and sometimes they
get a lot of security and sense of safety out
of that feeling.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
But that feeling can.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Ease, like those boundaries can be easily overstepped and people
can feel controlled, and that's where things fall apart.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Sam the Sex Doctor.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
How can people reach out to you for more advice insight?
Obviously you're a certified therapist. How can people reach out?
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Yeah, you can hit me up on my Instagram at
sam z On if you want, you can hit me
up on the was it Psychology Today?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Page? Sam's license number one zero six three five two.
It's later with Mo Kelly. It's always great to see you, Sam.
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yes, sir, We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app, and
believe it or not, we have.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
An only fans update. Maybe you shouldn't leave, Sam, Oh, no, yeah,
you just you saw my eyebrow? Yes, but did you
see mine? I thought you were going to toss to
me with only Fans toss I was going to do.
Did you want to shout out your page? Did you
find it? My only fans listen? You know? OK? If
I do, just don't pay. Well, we gotta make that money.
(18:34):
Oh she said that.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
I was about to start showing my feet, just saying yeah,
no one has to see your face.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Heather. You know you can do it under the table. Literally.
I'm on there right now. All right, Heather Brooker.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
KFI.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
It's Later with mo Kelly Live where they iHeartRadio appened.
Doctor Samsea heard are teas for this segment, and he said, well,
let me just hang around for a while. I might
be able to offer something on the subject. I don't
assume that everyone knows what only Fans is. For the uninitiated,
OnlyFans is a content amateur content creation aggregator where if
(19:21):
I wanted to, I could get on OnlyFans, start an
OnlyFans page, show pictures of my life, show pictures of
my feet, whatever, and then I get to set the
price point for people to have a subscription. Now you
can start off where people have free subscriptions, and then
it may turn into a paid subscription.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I've heard, I don't know, I've been told.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I've heard that people will charge upwards of you know,
twenty nine ninety nine a month or something like that.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
They'll offer a yearly subscription.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Long point short is people have turned into instant multi
millionaires by only fans. Not all people do nudity or
forms of nudity. Sometimes people will just show pictures of
their feet or their hands. I've seen hand models, Sam,
you know more about this world than I do.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
How would you characterize OnlyFans.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
It's a place where people go to make money. They're
putting whatever they can out there. It doesn't necessarily have
to be nude or explicit content. It could just be
people wanting to talk about video games, it people doing comedy.
It could be just about anything. And now, the thing
that's most known for and the thing that seems to
(20:33):
generate the most money are people who are using it
to distribute or do live explicit content.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
How much money have you heard people have been making
in a given year over million dollars easily. Some people
that I've heard have pulled in at least six figures
or sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Eight figures. Eight figures.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And these are oftentimes random people when I mean random,
not professionals just decided to do this.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Yeah, I work one of my jobs obviously, I'm a
licensed marriage and family therapist. I work for an organization
called Pineapple Support. They offer mental health services to sex workers,
cam models, porn stars, things like that. So I have
a lot of clients who are cam models, and they
went from places like they were working in kitchens working
(21:22):
as chefs, or they were working get just doing minimum
wage jobs. And the thing that was the big moment
that led people into that was the pandemic where a
bunch of industries shut down.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
People got laid off, people got fired.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Nobody knew when they were going to get back to work,
nobody knew how they were going to make money, and
it became a thing of desperation. They needed to make
money anyway they could, any way possible. And so one
of my clients went from being a minimum wage worker
to making six figures within two months.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
And this is not work in the sense of when
you're putting in eight hours or twelve hours on a set,
working with six or seven different people, with the physical
toll it may put on you.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
This is just your own creativity.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
You're at home, you're in your own comfortable setting. You
choose your hours, you choose when you want to go.
You can set up a schedule for it. You can
shoot content with other people and post it on there
and have people pay for each individual scene that you shoot.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
There's a thousand such individual photo.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah, there's one thousand and one different ways to make
money on there, and people have a lot of times
like say, for example, we talk a lot about the
porn industry before the pandemic, the porn industry looked at
only fans and sites like that with a little bit
of like they look down upon them a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
If you go to like AVN, really, yeah, have a surprise.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
If you go to like AVN, there would always be
the booth for the cam models, like specifically who were
there for the companies that were you know, like the
specific websites that we're doing that were filming or doing
the footage. The rest of the people who were contract
talent at first weren't holding them at the same standards,
and they were holding each other separate. You could tell
they were like it was kind of a niche. They
(23:04):
were owned in their own individual groups. Now, especially after
the pandemic, it made it so that, you know, the industry,
the first industry to come back during the pandemic was
the porn industry because they're very good about how they
keep things clean on set, so they had great protocol
when it came to COVID, and so they came back
faster than any other industry. But what happened during in
(23:27):
the meantime was that all of those performers found out
they were making way more money without having to filter
money through the companies and the production companies and the
corporations and all of the other middlemen, and just do
it directly from their own house, not worrying about going
to a set, and make more money, have more interaction
with their fans, do less work that and have more
(23:48):
control over their work. So people who are porn stars
now found that this was a great way to make money.
Now you see the production companies coming out with their
own sites, using their own contract talents.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Let me ask you this, since OnlyFans doesn't limit itself.
As far as successibility, you have younger and younger, and
this is the real point of the story. Content creators
offering does it even have to be explicit content, but
they're offering content and they are teenagers or teenage adjacent.
Do you have any trepidation or concern about where OnlyFans
(24:23):
is going as far as shaping the minds of younger
people who have access to not only content creation, but
content consumption.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah, uh well, I mean it just provides a means
of people getting more attention. I think it's not just
with Only Fans. You see a lot of content creators
using Instagram, using TikTok, using all these other sites to
find ways to generate that attention and put the spotlight
on them so that they can get money or get
clout or whatever they're looking for in that moment. There
(24:52):
are a lot of young people that do go and
look at only Fans as a first option. Yes, specific
and just like you would say there's a lot of
people who just turn eighteen and look at stripping as
an option.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
That's that's true. That's a real thing.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Instead of instead of being in a situation where like
say a person who turns eighteen, Like I'm gonna go
and you know, I'm in college, but i want to
make some extra money, so I'm gonna strip at night,
and nobody's gonna know about it. Those people are gonna
be way I mean, seriously, there was a lot of
people in the eighties, nineties, early two thousands that made
a lot of money doing that. There's way more money
to be made on only fans, and you're in a
(25:28):
way more safe, controlled environment at home to make all
of that money. And you see a lot of people
who go from situations where they have no money to
all of a sudden they have all the money they
can handle. And there's a lot of you know, obviously
there's you know, people get very happy. A lot of
problems go away with that, but you get a whole
new world of problems that come with it.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And I always say, you know, choose your problems, don't
let your problems choose you.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Absolutely, absolutely, And that's that's the thing. If you can afford,
if you can make enough money to make your problems
go away, then more power to you. But if you
a lot of people if they can't and they end
up like doing stuff within the industry, and some people
find ways to keep it going and find or successfully
walk away with no guilt, no shame, and some people
(26:13):
end up being like, yeah, I definitely needed the money,
but now I'm feeling a little bit off that I have,
you know, bits and pieces of me floating around on the.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Internet forever forever.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
And the thing is if a lot, when you make
a lot of money, it can give you a lot
more money to afford really good therapy to deal.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
With it, and they'll come see Sam Zu. Thanks, Thanks Tom.
It's Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.