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So what's on your mind? Everybody's talking about Thanksgiving and
the travel. It always cracks me up on the news
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are they going to say about travel, the busiest travel
day of the year today? And then what did they
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You hydrate, hydrate.
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So this is an interesting time of the year because
now we're in full swing into the holiday season, we
are still sort of recovering from election trauma. Depending on
your perspective, we're going to get into that in our
third hour. We made it through Thanksgiving, hopefully. If you're
listening in the car and you're driving back from some
exotic destination, you have an amusing story to tell, I'd
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love to hear it.
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we'll we'll put you in the air. I actually really
liked taking phone calls. Some people do, some people don't,
but I actually like taking phone calls. So we're in
this mega consumer period of Black Friday and then tomorrow
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is Cyber Monday, so there's all this pressure right to
buy things and I was telling a producer Kyla before
we came on the air, this good friend of mine,
Rabbi Stephen Jacobs, who married my wife and I Janet,
quite a while ago. I was telling this story once
about how he was officiating at a funeral and he
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was in a cemetery looking at the tombstones, the headstones,
and he remarked that all of the headstones were inscribed
with things like loving father, loving husband, caring son, you know,
beloved family member, It's so on and so forth, and
not one headstone said had big house, had giant screen
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TV he bought on Black.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Friday for a great price, drove Ferrari.
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In other words, we're living in this incredibly materialistic society,
which is the exact opposite of.
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The things that are important. Right, It doesn't matter what
you have.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
What's more important your relationships, your friendships, your emotional stability.
Yet we're just bombarded by messages all day long, whether
it's social media, whether it's radio commercials, TV commercials, ads, billboards,
you know, bye bye bye, and hey, I'm not immune
to it. I mean, I bought a TV on Amazon,
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got a great price. Do I need the TV that
I bought? You can argue no. But again, it's like
when you go to Costco and you go in there
for one thing and you come out with a bill
of seven hundred dollars and you say, look how much money?
I say, because I bought four thousand packages of paper towels.
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So this is the world that we live in. And
if you look online these days, there's a ton of articles.
Five tips to avoid overspending this holiday season. How to
avoid overspending during Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Beware fraudsters
seek to trick you with online Black Friday Cyber Monday deals.
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That's an interesting one because cyber criminals do they call it,
are putting in overtime. These are like the best days.
Fake websites, phishing attacks, which is an email where they're
looking for your personal information. This one article from United
Press says there's been an eighty nine percent surgeon websites
related to Black Friday from the same period last year.
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Fake fake websites. So you have to be smart as
a consumer. I mean, if you know TVs dot com
is selling a sixty inch flat screen smart TV for
forty nine to ninety nine, that might is what we
in the business would call a red flag. All right,
So we're just getting warmed up lots to talk about.
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When we come back from the next break, we're going
to get into a new Netflix documentary.
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Do you like true crime?
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I mean just about everybody loves true crime, whether it's
the popularity or a dateline of podcasts of the Netflix
documentaries and the Menandez Brothers and the new there's a
new one on the John Bena Ramsey case, cleverly called
Who Killed John Bene Ramsey? Uh. Then coming aft up
after that, we're going to talk with the Los Angeles
based attorney Brad Gage about the status of the Menendez
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brothers and what it means that there's a new district
attorney in Los Angeles with their current ongoing court proceedings
that might get them released from jail.
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Now, So all that is coming up after the break.
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But I don't.
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I don't.
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all right.
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So a true crime true crime.
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According to research, eighty four percent of people in the
United States that are teenagers and up consume consume true
crime content, whether that's watching a TV show, listening to
a podcast, reading about it on a website, and that accounts,
of course for the popularity of so many shows and
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documentaries like the three part Netflix documentary called Who Killed
John Benay Ramsey. So in December of nineteen ninety six,
I was working for Extra as a news reporter. Extra
you know, the syndicated magazine show. Right now it's on
Fox eleven. Back then it was on NBC, and back
then we did news and show biz. Now it's all
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showbiz with Billy, But back then we did news and
show biz. So in December of nineteen ninety six, I
get a call and they said, listen, we need you
to go to Boulder, Colorado to take over for our
reporter that's been covering the John Binney Ramsey story. You
may recognize the name Lauren Sanchez, current girlfriend slash fiance
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of Jeff Bezos. Yeah, she worked as a reporter for
Extra with us for a while and was great. So
we go, Me and my cameraman go to the airport.
And what I remember about this, which is a weird memory,
is that they sent a producer with us, and again,
this is December. We're going to Colorado, snow, sleet, freezing temperatures.
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Producer shows up, shortz shorts, leaf shirt, no luggage. Okay,
that was the beginning of our trip to Colorado. By
the time I got there, it was probably a week
or so after after the murder. And when I tell
you that the people of Boulder were sick of the
news media by that time, it was a very difficult,
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very difficult assignment. Of course, everybody felt terrible about John
Binney Ramsey, who was six years old when she was killed.
Her body was found in December twenty sixth, nineteen ninety six,
and it's never been solved.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I mean, the crime has never been solved.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And so Netflix's Start has done a three part documentary
and the headline from it is is that they claim
that there's evidence and leads that the Bolder police are
not pursuing.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I find that hard to believe, not impossible to leave,
difficult to believe. And Bolder police are sort of fighting
back on that, saying they're rejecting the claim that there's
potential evidence in the John Binney Ramsey case they're not
looking into. They're saying that the department welcomes the news coverage,
welcomes the documentaries, and that the depart has committed to
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solving the case, but needs to be careful about what
the investigation shows. The Netflix documentary interviews the father who
lost his wife a few years ago to cancer. They
still they still have a son, uh, And it's it's
just it's one of those mysteries that we all remember, right,
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John and Patsy Ramsey, the brother Burke, who the suspects were.
The Bolder police were a little bit maybe in over
their heads at the beginning of this case because it's Bolder.
There's never almost never a murder there. The crime scene
was mishandled. I mean, you can go through a lot
of points of criticism of the way the Bolder police
handle that case. But the case does remain unsolved. This
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Netflix documentary, I don't know if you've seen it. I
don't think it necessarily gets us any closer to solving it.
But again, it renews interest in that case, much as
the way the documentary and the drama about the Menendez
brothers renewed interest in that case, because that one was
right here in southern California in Beverly Hills. So when
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we come back, we're going to talk with Attorney Brad
Gage about that. Brad is an attorney that I've done
a lot of stories with over the years. He's very
familiar to Southern California TV viewers. He has a lot
of high profile cases, in particular those involving allegations of
abuse by the LAPD and other law enforcement agencies. And
what I want to talk about, and by the way,
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after this segment, I want to take your calls your
messages on the talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app. Our
phone number again is one eight hundred and five to
oh one KFI. That's one eight hundred and five to
oh one five three four. So, if you've been following
the Menendez case, and who hasn't you know that the
Netflix documentary and then the drama came out, which was
incredibly well done, incredibly powerful, very sympathetic to the brothers,
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and then outgoing attorney District Attorney in Los Angeles County,
Georgia Gascon, said, look, we've been reviewing.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
This case for a while.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yes, the documentary on the series focused more attention on it,
but that was not my motivation that they turned it
over to their resentencing unit, and based on the claims
of abuse and some other new evidence, they're recommending that
the brothers essentially should have been sentenced to life with
the possible ability of parole, and that they've served almost
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thirty five years and they deserve to be released. That
his course is not up to him, it's up to
a judge, up to a parole board. The governor even
has a role in it. But now Gascone, as we
all know, is history. And the new district Attorney, Nathan Hawkman,
who is going to be sworn in on Tuesday, says
he wants to be able to take some time.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
To review the whole case.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Obviously, being an outsider, he dones up access to the
court files that the DA's office maintained. So he says,
and he understand this is understandable that he wants time
to be able to review. What he's talking about thousands
of pages of documents. So what is that mean in
the legal process. That's what I want Brad Gage to
shed a little bit of light on it again, whether
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it's the Ramsey case. If you know who killed John
Banay Ramsey, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Your thoughts on the Menendez case.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
We talked about this last week because there was a
hearing pending which basically was continued, and the calls that
I got again at one eight hundred and five, two
oh one, five three four were I think unanimously against
releasing the Menendez brothers, and I have to say I'm
kind of in that camp, and we'll talk about that.
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Happy to be here, huge AM slash Audio fan, and
about half the people listen on the iHeart Radio app.
I still listen to my old fashioned AMFM clock radio
next to my bed on my nightstand. And I've always
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been a huge fan of talk. It's just it's so intimated,
so immediate, and so powerful. It's much better than social media,
which is like largely becoming a huge waste of time,
although X slash Twitter is a valuable resource for a
disseminating information. So one of the stories, of course, We've
been following here for years. Here in southern California is
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the Menendez case. The Menenda's brothers convicted of murdering their
parents back in nineteen eighty nine. Former Los Angeles County
District Attorney George Gascon has supported their release based on
new evidence of abuse that was testified to at the
first trial, which was a hung jury, not at the
second trial. And if you've been following this along, they
had a hearing last week which was delayed. And now
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there's a new district attorney, Nathan Hankman, taking office. So
how does that impact the ongoing efforts to get the
brothers released? With me now is Attorney Brad Gage to
talk about this. Brad, thanks for coming on with us.
Happy Thanksgiving or Happy Black Friday, Happy Cyber Monday and
all that.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Happy thanks doing to you, Phil, and thank you for
having me on.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So, Brad, I don't know if you heard the earlier segment.
I'm trying to understand. Gas Gone started this ball rolling,
and the court proceedings to have the Menendez brothers essentially
released with time served are already underway. So how does
a new district attorney taking office impact that process?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
It really won't have much impact on this at all
having the new DA because the process was already started
and the new DA cannot stop it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, that was my question, whether he could just cancel
the whole thing. You're saying no, No.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
He cannot because under Aby six hundred, which is allow
a law allowing the judges to engage in resentencing right
once the DA makes that request, and in this case,
you've got the judge who's taken jurisdiction over the case.
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So it's going to proceed regardless of whether the new
DA tries to stop it or not.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
So when the new DA, Nathan Hofkman says, well, I
want time to review the case, why is he saying that?
So he has to decide whether he's going to support
the effort or not.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Perhaps the new DA can decide if he wants to say,
I go along with the recommendations of George Gas, come
on and support it or not. Even if he does
not support it, there's already a presumption that they should
be released, because one district attorney said that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
So the case has been delayed until December, in which
they'll once again go back to court and so educate
our listeners a little bit on the process. My understanding
is essentially it's up to the judge whether to agree
with the distric attorney's motion that they qualify for resentencing.
They should be resentenced, which would lead to their release.
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But then that has to be approved by a parole board,
the parole board or at least some members of it,
and then the governor still has the right to h
to cancel that should it go in the brothers favor?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Is that? Is that an accurate summary?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Correct? There's three different ways of going clemency by the
governor babas corpus, which is a writ requiring a person
under arrest or in jail to be brought before judge
to secure their release, and resentencing, which would go through
the parole board.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
What do you think is going to happen based on
your experience.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I think that they're going to let it out.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
You do.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
So, you know, you you've done cases with You're friendly
with your professional colleagues, with their lead attorney, Mark Garrigos.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Is his work like determinative in this?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I mean, would another attorney that's not as high profile
been as successful. Do you think that's relevant or is
it just simply this case they deserve to be released
on the merits, and that quote unquote, any defense attorney
might have been able to do this.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Any defense attorney might be able to do it, they
probably cannot do it as successfully. Once you are a
high profile lawyer with years of experience, you certainly get
a chance to represent a person in a different way.
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Courts know who you are. You get better.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I mean, you certainly get better media coverage. But I
mean do.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Judges treat Do judges treat high profile attorneys differently?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Even subconsciously? Perhaps?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I think that it depends on what your high profile for.
If you have a good reputation and a high profile lawyer,
I just certainly know who you are and have a
certain amount of respect for you. If you're a high
profile lawyer that they don't like what you're there for,
then it's the reverse.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So how fast can this happen?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
You remember Gary gos was originally talking about I'd like
to have them out by Thanksgiving. I'll have them to
my house for Thanksgiving dinner. Now I think he's talking
about Christmas. Do you know how much time would elapse
between Let's say a judge agrees with the petition to
release them, and then the parole board would review it,
and then the governor would review that.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I mean, is it days, is it weeks? Is it months?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
It can take a while. I have a case that
I'm handling that you're successful on a habeas corpus petition
with ruling back a month ago for my client to
be released from prison that was ruled on by the
judge with in order to release him. We thought he'd
be out long before Thanksgiving, but then the DA followed
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an objection to it. It may go to the core
of appeal and get delayed for months, if not longer,
which is a tragedy and travesty in that client's case,
and to be for the Menentoz brothers as well.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, it seems like when it comes to the legal system,
it sounds like a cliche, but nothing happens quickly, right.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Hurry up and wait, hurry up and wait.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Definitely so, But your prediction, based on your experience and
your understanding of the case, is that whether it's sooner
or later, that they ultimately will be released. Essentially, is
it accurate to use the term time served or re
sentences and eligible for parole since they've already served thirty
plus years.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
What's the correct terminology?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
We can use any of those terms. Probably. The fact
is they've been imprisoned about thirty four years according to
the public records, demonstrated that they have model citizens in
the jail system. They have engaged in programs to help
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other inmates. They've both gone to college. One already has
his bachelor's degree and it's working on a master's. The
other ones should get the bachelor's degree soon. Those are
all positive factors that go a long way in resentencing
or receiving parole.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Sure, no matters to no matter the circumstances of the
original crime.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Well, the circumstances of the original crime certainly are important,
and first degree murder is the most serious crime there is. Sure,
the fact is that usually if you're a victim of abuse,
then you're a lot less likely to go ahead and
murder someone else than just a person that goes on
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a murdering rampage.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Of course, I mean, I don't think any right after
no one would argue that they are a threat to society.
But one more question, I'll let you go the issue
that I have. Let's say you buy the allegations of
abuse and there certainly seems to be evidence of that.
The problem, if you want to call it a problem
that I have and a lot of people have, is
the mother. Why shotgun the mother to death as well?
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And how do you excuse that?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Well, fortunately, not going to have to excuse that, but
I think that the argument that is going to be
made is that the mother was aware of the abuse
for years, condoned it, didn't try to stop it. She
was also allegedly depressed over an allegation that the husband
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was having a long term affair and want to commit
suicide of that on one of the documentaries, and so
there were a couple of arguments made that number one,
he was putting the boys when they were boys at
risk at risk as well, and also that he did
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not want to live any further. So, those are some
of the factors that were raised by them.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Well, Brad Gage, I appreciate it. Brad Gage attorney based
out in Woodland Hills. You may have seen him on
news coverage. We've covered a lot of the high profile
stories that he's involved in, particularly lawsuits against law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Brad, thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
We call on you again as this case continues to
wind its way through the legal system.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Thank you for having me. I'd be happy to speak
with you again further in the future.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Till thanks so much, Holiday you too.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
K IF I AM six forty live everywhere in the
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Baday Ramsey case if you of a certain age or
remember that one, and of course the Menendez brothers. So
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bump for traffic coming back from Vegas or the desert.
You can weigh in at one eight hundred five two
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one five three four when we come back. Lots more
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You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand a.
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Sunday afternoon here in the KFI studios in Burbank. I'm
Phil Schuman, sitting in for Chris Merrill. Thanks for the
opportunity to take over the microphone here at KFI AM
six forty Live everywhere on the iHeart Radio app. I'm
a little bit surprised because I think a lot of
people are in their cars that we didn't get calls
on the Menendez case or the job Bade Ramsey case.
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But that's fine one eight hundred five to two oh
one KFI. If you'd like to give us a call
and weigh in on what you think should happen on
the minutes Brother's case and what your thoughts are about.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
The Ramsey case.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
You know, I've spent quite a bit of time decades
covering the news here in southern California, and there's always
a challenge covering a criminal trial, especially ones involving murders,
so emotional, so emotional, and so on so many different
ways from obviously we think about it from the victims
point of view, nothing will ever top. Of course, the
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OJ Simpson case, I was able to cover both the
criminal trial and the civil trial in that case, covered
some of the John Baday Ramsey case, covered a lot
of the Menendez case and one of the things that
always has struck me and and I guess you'd call
it a cold case in the Ramsey murder. Absolutely, that's
part of the title of the Netflix documentary, which is
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three parts. By the way, I'm assuming if you were
listening to KFI that you've been able to spend the
money and afford Netflix. I mean, I think that would
be one of the key streaming sites to have so
much happening on Netflix, and this three parter essentially says
that there's new evidence that the Boulder police are I
wouldn't say ignoring, but not actively pursuing. This is a
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trailer for who killed John Boney Ramsey? Oh hullo. It
was a case that people couldn't stop talking about.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Some people don't think it's ever going to be solved.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Prior to Christmas Day of nineteen ninety six, we were
just a regular family.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And question that all changed. Someone killed this six year
old child. Do you mind taking us through the day?
It was just unbelievable. Why to me, what's goin on?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Okay, we haven't kidnapped nor door.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
It received national news attention right away. How many Ramsey
was in child due to pageants.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
When you dressed your child up, you might innocently attract
a predator.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Was there an intruder or was the family in fom
The press was going wild that Birthley kill him. We
thought this is crazy. He didn't write that note. The
amount was one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, which is
really bizarre. The Childloyds were crucial in pushing the narrative.
They were untrue, unfounded, but that didn't matter. It was
a good story. People hated the Ramsies. It's like, oh
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my god, how low could you go? And I did
not kill my daughter? John Benett.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
The Boulder Police Department made a lot of mistakes early
on in this case.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Was there a concern that some crucial evidence might have
been lost? That lack of experience created a lot of
problems in the crime scene. There is evidence of an intruder.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I say this over and over and over again.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
If this case is ever going to be solved, we
might be looking at the best chance. Right now, I.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Die accident. We've been ruling people out for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Everybody's from you back on the table. You have to
go deeper. Wow, that sounds compelling. They really know how
to put these together. I mean the John Benny Ramsey case.
At the time, everybody was saying, well, it's cause she's
a pretty young Caucasian girl and there are all these
photos of her in your beauty pageant outfits, and if
it was just anybody else or maybe a minority, that
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nobody would have paid attention. I don't necessarily agree with that,
but I understand some people have that viewpoint.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It was a very compelling story.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
There are pictures and videos of her, and the beauty
pageants were out there, which is very.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Visual for the news media.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So if you're interested in this case, you're interested in
true crime. As I said, probably eight or nine out
of ten of us are. I would definitely think it's
worth checking out. Again, it's a three parter on Netflix.
And it's also worth reminding you that the Bolder police,
who admitted that there was some mistakes made that they
weren't experienced in these kinds of homicide cases and high
profile cases. They're refuting the central allegation of this new
(30:04):
documentary that there's so called new evidence that they are
not pursuing. I can't imagine a scenario in which a
cold case like that, which was a subject of so
much attention, so much heartache, so many resources, that any
law enforcement officer who's dedicated would intentionally ignore potential new evidence.
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Call me naive, but that's my thought. All right, I'm
Phil Schumann. At the top of the hour, we're going
to hear from a local political political political consultant, Matt Klink,
about the headlines that are. You just heard Andrew Caravella
talking about them. That President Biden is set to issue
a pardon of his son Hunter. He has officially he
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has officially done it.
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Okay, it's been done.
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sports in there. We're gonna talk true crime. We have
a couple of guests on, one of which to talk
about the Menendez brothers, which is getting a little bit complicated.
We're going to talk about World AIDS Day, Magic Johnson Project,
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that's all about looking for your help and your donations.
So we're in this sort of interesting time. By the way,
as I mentioned, I'm Phil Schumann. You might recognize my
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name or my voice from maybe Fox eleven News, where
I've been for quite a while before that Extra. We're
going to talk about Extra tonight and the John Beneta
Ramsey case. And then if you go way back with me,
we're talking about k and BC Channel four News, the
former studios. It always makes me a little nostalgic, a
little emotional looking right out the window here at KFI
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and Burbank at the former Channel four studios now I
think it's called the Burbank Studios and Channel four moved
over to the Universal lot on Langerasham there in the
studio city. Still have a lot of good friends there.
So what's on your mind? Everybody's talking about Thanksgiving and
the travel. It always cracks me up on the news
because today when you hear or watch the news, what
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are they going to say about travel, the busiest travel
day of the year today? And then what did they
say yesterday? The busiest travel whatever day it is, is
the busiest travel day of the year. And then you
get great tips like, if you're heading to the airport,
you might want to check with your airline to see
if your flight's on time. It's like, thank you, thank
you for that advice, and goes back to the hot
(02:20):
weather stories. Remember we've all done them.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You hydrate, hydrate.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
So this is an interesting time of the year because
now we're in full swing into the holiday season, we
are still sort of recovering from election trauma. Depending on
your perspective, we're going to get into that in our
third hour. We made it through Thanksgiving, hopefully. If you're
listening in the car and you're driving back from some
exotic destination, you have an amusing story to tell, I'd
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love to hear it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Make sure it's a good one.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You can do the talk radio again, talk radio on
the iHeartRadio app, or give us a phone call one
E one hundred and five to a one KFI and
we'll we'll put you in the air. I actually really
liked taking phone calls. Some people do, some people don't,
but I actually like taking phone calls. So we're in
this mega consumer period of Black Friday and then tomorrow
(03:13):
is Cyber Monday, so there's all this pressure right to
buy things and I was telling a producer Kyla before
we came on the air, this good friend of mine,
Rabbi Stephen Jacobs, who married my wife and I Janet,
quite a while ago. I was telling this story once
about how he was officiating at a funeral and he
(03:38):
was in a cemetery looking at the tombstones, the headstones,
and he remarked that all of the headstones were inscribed
with things like loving father, loving husband, caring son, you know,
beloved family member, It's so on and so forth, and
not one headstone said had big house, had giant screen
(04:01):
TV he bought on Black.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Friday for a great price, drove Ferrari.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
In other words, we're living in this incredibly materialistic society,
which is the exact opposite of.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
The things that are important. Right, It doesn't matter what
you have.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
What's more important your relationships, your friendships, your emotional stability.
Yet we're just bombarded by messages all day long, whether
it's social media, whether it's radio commercials, TV commercials, ads, billboards,
you know, bye bye bye, and hey, I'm not immune
to it. I mean, I bought a TV on Amazon,
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got a great price. Do I need the TV that
I bought? You can argue no. But again, it's like
when you go to Costco and you go in there
for one thing and you come out with a bill
of seven hundred dollars and you say, look how much money?
I say, because I bought four thousand packages of paper towels.
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So this is the world that we live in. And
if you look online these days, there's a ton of articles.
Five tips to avoid overspending this holiday season. How to
avoid overspending during Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Beware fraudsters
seek to trick you with online Black Friday Cyber Monday deals.
(05:25):
That's an interesting one because cyber criminals do they call it,
are putting in overtime. These are like the best days.
Fake websites, phishing attacks, which is an email where they're
looking for your personal information. This one article from United
Press says there's been an eighty nine percent surgeon websites
related to Black Friday from the same period last year.
(05:46):
Fake fake websites. So you have to be smart as
a consumer. I mean, if you know TVs dot com
is selling a sixty inch flat screen smart TV for
forty nine to ninety nine, that might is what we
in the business would call a red flag. All right,
So we're just getting warmed up lots to talk about.
(06:07):
When we come back from the next break, we're going
to get into a new Netflix documentary.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Do you like true crime?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I mean just about everybody loves true crime, whether it's
the popularity or a dateline of podcasts of the Netflix
documentaries and the Menandez Brothers and the new there's a
new one on the John Bena Ramsey case, cleverly called
Who Killed John Bene Ramsey? Uh. Then coming aft up
after that, we're going to talk with the Los Angeles
based attorney Brad Gage about the status of the Menendez
(06:37):
brothers and what it means that there's a new district
attorney in Los Angeles with their current ongoing court proceedings
that might get them released from jail.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Now, So all that is coming up after the break.
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You heard that promo right before we came back from
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I'm very interested in Wendy Walsh and her career because
she transitioned from like a hardcore newswoman into a therapist PhD.
And has a really interesting take, like you heard her
talking about relationships require strategy, and she has the inside scoop.
So I've been married for thirty something years, so maybe
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I don't need her information.
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But hey, I'm always happy. I'm always happy to learn.
Maybe you have the secret, then, Phil.
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No, I don't have the secret other than just saying yes,
which is not a big you know, a big, a
big secret.
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But I don't.
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I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
My wife hasn't been super thrilled with me lately because
I've I've been recovering from a from a little bit
of surgery, so I've required a little little bit more
help and attention. Then she said, at what point She's like,
don't get used to this, Like, Okay, don't worry, I won't,
all right.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So a true crime true crime.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
According to research, eighty four percent of people in the
United States that are teenagers and up consume consume true
crime content, whether that's watching a TV show, listening to
a podcast, reading about it on a website, and that accounts,
of course for the popularity of so many shows and
(08:36):
documentaries like the three part Netflix documentary called Who Killed
John Benay Ramsey. So in December of nineteen ninety six,
I was working for Extra as a news reporter. Extra
you know, the syndicated magazine show. Right now it's on
Fox eleven. Back then it was on NBC, and back
then we did news and show biz. Now it's all
(08:59):
showbiz with Billy, But back then we did news and
show biz. So in December of nineteen ninety six, I
get a call and they said, listen, we need you
to go to Boulder, Colorado to take over for our
reporter that's been covering the John Binney Ramsey story. You
may recognize the name Lauren Sanchez, current girlfriend slash fiance
(09:23):
of Jeff Bezos. Yeah, she worked as a reporter for
Extra with us for a while and was great. So
we go, Me and my cameraman go to the airport.
And what I remember about this, which is a weird memory,
is that they sent a producer with us, and again,
this is December. We're going to Colorado, snow, sleet, freezing temperatures.
(09:47):
Producer shows up, shortz shorts, leaf shirt, no luggage. Okay,
that was the beginning of our trip to Colorado. By
the time I got there, it was probably a week
or so after after the murder. And when I tell
you that the people of Boulder were sick of the
news media by that time, it was a very difficult,
(10:07):
very difficult assignment. Of course, everybody felt terrible about John
Binney Ramsey, who was six years old when she was killed.
Her body was found in December twenty sixth, nineteen ninety six,
and it's never been solved.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I mean, the crime has never been solved.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And so Netflix's Start has done a three part documentary
and the headline from it is is that they claim
that there's evidence and leads that the Bolder police are
not pursuing.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I find that hard to believe, not impossible to leave,
difficult to believe. And Bolder police are sort of fighting
back on that, saying they're rejecting the claim that there's
potential evidence in the John Binney Ramsey case they're not
looking into. They're saying that the department welcomes the news coverage,
welcomes the documentaries, and that the depart has committed to
(11:01):
solving the case, but needs to be careful about what
the investigation shows. The Netflix documentary interviews the father who
lost his wife a few years ago to cancer. They
still they still have a son, uh, And it's it's
just it's one of those mysteries that we all remember, right,
(11:22):
John and Patsy Ramsey, the brother Burke, who the suspects were.
The Bolder police were a little bit maybe in over
their heads at the beginning of this case because it's Bolder.
There's never almost never a murder there. The crime scene
was mishandled. I mean, you can go through a lot
of points of criticism of the way the Bolder police
handle that case. But the case does remain unsolved. This
(11:47):
Netflix documentary, I don't know if you've seen it. I
don't think it necessarily gets us any closer to solving it.
But again, it renews interest in that case, much as
the way the documentary and the drama about the Menendez
brothers renewed interest in that case, because that one was
right here in southern California in Beverly Hills. So when
(12:07):
we come back, we're going to talk with Attorney Brad
Gage about that. Brad is an attorney that I've done
a lot of stories with over the years. He's very
familiar to Southern California TV viewers. He has a lot
of high profile cases, in particular those involving allegations of
abuse by the LAPD and other law enforcement agencies. And
what I want to talk about, and by the way,
(12:29):
after this segment, I want to take your calls your
messages on the talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app. Our
phone number again is one eight hundred and five to
oh one KFI. That's one eight hundred and five to
oh one five three four. So, if you've been following
the Menendez case, and who hasn't you know that the
Netflix documentary and then the drama came out, which was
incredibly well done, incredibly powerful, very sympathetic to the brothers,
(12:53):
and then outgoing attorney District Attorney in Los Angeles County,
Georgia Gascon, said, look, we've been reviewing.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
This case for a while.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yes, the documentary on the series focused more attention on it,
but that was not my motivation that they turned it
over to their resentencing unit, and based on the claims
of abuse and some other new evidence, they're recommending that
the brothers essentially should have been sentenced to life with
the possible ability of parole, and that they've served almost
(13:21):
thirty five years and they deserve to be released. That
his course is not up to him, it's up to
a judge, up to a parole board. The governor even
has a role in it. But now Gascone, as we
all know, is history. And the new district Attorney, Nathan Hawkman,
who is going to be sworn in on Tuesday, says
he wants to be able to take some time.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
To review the whole case.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Obviously, being an outsider, he dones up access to the
court files that the DA's office maintained. So he says,
and he understand this is understandable that he wants time
to be able to review. What he's talking about thousands
of pages of documents. So what is that mean in
the legal process. That's what I want Brad Gage to
shed a little bit of light on it again, whether
(14:06):
it's the Ramsey case. If you know who killed John
Banay Ramsey, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Your thoughts on the Menendez case.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
We talked about this last week because there was a
hearing pending which basically was continued, and the calls that
I got again at one eight hundred and five, two
oh one, five three four were I think unanimously against
releasing the Menendez brothers, and I have to say I'm
kind of in that camp, and we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Here on KFI AM six forty Live Everywhere and the
iHeartRadio app. I'm Phil Schumann in for Chris Merril with
you till seven o'clock tonight when Wendy Walsh takes over.
Happy to be here, huge AM slash Audio fan, and
about half the people listen on the iHeart Radio app.
I still listen to my old fashioned AMFM clock radio
next to my bed on my nightstand. And I've always
(14:58):
been a huge fan of talk. It's just it's so intimated,
so immediate, and so powerful. It's much better than social media,
which is like largely becoming a huge waste of time,
although X slash Twitter is a valuable resource for a
disseminating information. So one of the stories, of course, We've
been following here for years. Here in southern California is
(15:20):
the Menendez case. The Menenda's brothers convicted of murdering their
parents back in nineteen eighty nine. Former Los Angeles County
District Attorney George Gascon has supported their release based on
new evidence of abuse that was testified to at the
first trial, which was a hung jury, not at the
second trial. And if you've been following this along, they
had a hearing last week which was delayed. And now
(15:41):
there's a new district attorney, Nathan Hankman, taking office. So
how does that impact the ongoing efforts to get the
brothers released? With me now is Attorney Brad Gage to
talk about this. Brad, thanks for coming on with us.
Happy Thanksgiving or Happy Black Friday, Happy Cyber Monday and
all that.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Happy thanks doing to you, Phil, and thank you for
having me on.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So, Brad, I don't know if you heard the earlier segment.
I'm trying to understand. Gas Gone started this ball rolling,
and the court proceedings to have the Menendez brothers essentially
released with time served are already underway. So how does
a new district attorney taking office impact that process?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
It really won't have much impact on this at all
having the new DA because the process was already started
and the new DA cannot stop it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, that was my question, whether he could just cancel
the whole thing. You're saying no, No.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
He cannot because under Aby six hundred, which is allow
a law allowing the judges to engage in resentencing right
once the DA makes that request, and in this case,
you've got the judge who's taken jurisdiction over the case.
(17:00):
So it's going to proceed regardless of whether the new
DA tries to stop it or not.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
So when the new DA, Nathan Hofkman says, well, I
want time to review the case, why is he saying that?
So he has to decide whether he's going to support
the effort or not.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Perhaps the new DA can decide if he wants to say,
I go along with the recommendations of George Gas, come
on and support it or not. Even if he does
not support it, there's already a presumption that they should
be released, because one district attorney said that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
So the case has been delayed until December, in which
they'll once again go back to court and so educate
our listeners a little bit on the process. My understanding
is essentially it's up to the judge whether to agree
with the distric attorney's motion that they qualify for resentencing.
They should be resentenced, which would lead to their release.
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But then that has to be approved by a parole board,
the parole board or at least some members of it,
and then the governor still has the right to h
to cancel that should it go in the brothers favor?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Is that? Is that an accurate summary?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Correct? There's three different ways of going clemency by the
governor babas corpus, which is a writ requiring a person
under arrest or in jail to be brought before judge
to secure their release, and resentencing, which would go through
the parole board.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
What do you think is going to happen based on
your experience.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I think that they're going to let it out.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
You do.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
So, you know, you you've done cases with You're friendly
with your professional colleagues, with their lead attorney, Mark Garrigos.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Is his work like determinative in this?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I mean, would another attorney that's not as high profile
been as successful. Do you think that's relevant or is
it just simply this case they deserve to be released
on the merits, and that quote unquote, any defense attorney
might have been able to do this.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Any defense attorney might be able to do it, they
probably cannot do it as successfully. Once you are a
high profile lawyer with years of experience, you certainly get
a chance to represent a person in a different way.
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Courts know who you are. You get better.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I mean, you certainly get better media coverage. But I
mean do.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Judges treat Do judges treat high profile attorneys differently?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Even subconsciously? Perhaps?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I think that it depends on what your high profile for.
If you have a good reputation and a high profile lawyer,
I just certainly know who you are and have a
certain amount of respect for you. If you're a high
profile lawyer that they don't like what you're there for,
then it's the reverse.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So how fast can this happen?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
You remember Gary gos was originally talking about I'd like
to have them out by Thanksgiving. I'll have them to
my house for Thanksgiving dinner. Now I think he's talking
about Christmas. Do you know how much time would elapse
between Let's say a judge agrees with the petition to
release them, and then the parole board would review it,
and then the governor would review that.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I mean, is it days, is it weeks? Is it months?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
It can take a while. I have a case that
I'm handling that you're successful on a habeas corpus petition
with ruling back a month ago for my client to
be released from prison that was ruled on by the
judge with in order to release him. We thought he'd
be out long before Thanksgiving, but then the DA followed
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an objection to it. It may go to the core
of appeal and get delayed for months, if not longer,
which is a tragedy and travesty in that client's case,
and to be for the Menentoz brothers as well.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, it seems like when it comes to the legal system,
it sounds like a cliche, but nothing happens quickly, right.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Hurry up and wait, hurry up and wait.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Definitely so, But your prediction, based on your experience and
your understanding of the case, is that whether it's sooner
or later, that they ultimately will be released. Essentially, is
it accurate to use the term time served or re
sentences and eligible for parole since they've already served thirty
plus years.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
What's the correct terminology?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
We can use any of those terms. Probably. The fact
is they've been imprisoned about thirty four years according to
the public records, demonstrated that they have model citizens in
the jail system. They have engaged in programs to help
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other inmates. They've both gone to college. One already has
his bachelor's degree and it's working on a master's. The
other ones should get the bachelor's degree soon. Those are
all positive factors that go a long way in resentencing
or receiving parole.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Sure, no matters to no matter the circumstances of the
original crime.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Well, the circumstances of the original crime certainly are important,
and first degree murder is the most serious crime there is. Sure,
the fact is that usually if you're a victim of abuse,
then you're a lot less likely to go ahead and
murder someone else than just a person that goes on
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a murdering rampage.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Of course, I mean, I don't think any right after
no one would argue that they are a threat to society.
But one more question, I'll let you go the issue
that I have. Let's say you buy the allegations of
abuse and there certainly seems to be evidence of that.
The problem, if you want to call it a problem
that I have and a lot of people have, is
the mother. Why shotgun the mother to death as well?
(23:21):
And how do you excuse that?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Well, fortunately, not going to have to excuse that, but
I think that the argument that is going to be
made is that the mother was aware of the abuse
for years, condoned it, didn't try to stop it. She
was also allegedly depressed over an allegation that the husband
(23:47):
was having a long term affair and want to commit
suicide of that on one of the documentaries, and so
there were a couple of arguments made that number one,
he was putting the boys when they were boys at
risk at risk as well, and also that he did
(24:09):
not want to live any further. So, those are some
of the factors that were raised by them.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Well, Brad Gage, I appreciate it. Brad Gage attorney based
out in Woodland Hills. You may have seen him on
news coverage. We've covered a lot of the high profile
stories that he's involved in, particularly lawsuits against law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Brad, thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
We call on you again as this case continues to
wind its way through the legal system.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Thank you for having me. I'd be happy to speak
with you again further in the future.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Till thanks so much, Holiday you too.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
K IF I AM six forty live everywhere in the
iHeartRadio app. You probably have strong opinions about the John
Baday Ramsey case if you of a certain age or
remember that one, and of course the Menendez brothers. So
I'd love to hear from you, whether you send us
a message on the microphone feature on the iHeart Radio app,
or if you're driving and you're sitting and bumper to
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bump for traffic coming back from Vegas or the desert.
You can weigh in at one eight hundred five two
oh one KFI. That's one eight hundred five two oh
one five three four when we come back. Lots more
to talk about here on KFI AM. Phil Schuman vid
you till seven o'clock. We're going to give you an
update on Pastathon, a huge effort to help those in
need here at KFI AM six forty, and we'll tell
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you how you can help out.
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You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand a.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Sunday afternoon here in the KFI studios in Burbank. I'm
Phil Schuman, sitting in for Chris Merrill. Thanks for the
opportunity to take over the microphone here at KFI AM
six forty Live everywhere on the iHeart Radio app. I'm
a little bit surprised because I think a lot of
people are in their cars that we didn't get calls
on the Menendez case or the job Bade Ramsey case.
(25:52):
But that's fine one eight hundred five to two oh
one KFI. If you'd like to give us a call
and weigh in on what you think should happen on
the minutes Brother's case and what your thoughts are about.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
The Ramsey case.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
You know, I've spent quite a bit of time decades
covering the news here in southern California, and there's always
a challenge covering a criminal trial, especially ones involving murders,
so emotional, so emotional, and so on so many different
ways from obviously we think about it from the victims
point of view, nothing will ever top. Of course, the
(26:25):
OJ Simpson case, I was able to cover both the
criminal trial and the civil trial in that case, covered
some of the John Baday Ramsey case, covered a lot
of the Menendez case and one of the things that
always has struck me and and I guess you'd call
it a cold case in the Ramsey murder. Absolutely, that's
part of the title of the Netflix documentary, which is
(26:47):
three parts. By the way, I'm assuming if you were
listening to KFI that you've been able to spend the
money and afford Netflix. I mean, I think that would
be one of the key streaming sites to have so
much happening on Netflix, and this three parter essentially says
that there's new evidence that the Boulder police are I
wouldn't say ignoring, but not actively pursuing. This is a
(27:11):
trailer for who killed John Boney Ramsey? Oh hullo. It
was a case that people couldn't stop talking about.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Some people don't think it's ever going to be solved.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Prior to Christmas Day of nineteen ninety six, we were
just a regular family.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And question that all changed. Someone killed this six year
old child. Do you mind taking us through the day?
It was just unbelievable. Why to me, what's goin on?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Okay, we haven't kidnapped nor door.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
It received national news attention right away. How many Ramsey
was in child due to pageants.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
When you dressed your child up, you might innocently attract
a predator.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Was there an intruder or was the family in fom
The press was going wild that Birthley kill him. We
thought this is crazy. He didn't write that note. The
amount was one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, which is
really bizarre. The Childloyds were crucial in pushing the narrative.
They were untrue, unfounded, but that didn't matter. It was
a good story. People hated the Ramsies. It's like, oh
(28:28):
my god, how low could you go? And I did
not kill my daughter? John Benett.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
The Boulder Police Department made a lot of mistakes early
on in this case.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Was there a concern that some crucial evidence might have
been lost? That lack of experience created a lot of
problems in the crime scene. There is evidence of an intruder.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I say this over and over and over again.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
If this case is ever going to be solved, we
might be looking at the best chance. Right now, I.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Die accident. We've been ruling people out for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Everybody's from you back on the table. You have to
go deeper. Wow, that sounds compelling. They really know how
to put these together. I mean the John Benny Ramsey case.
At the time, everybody was saying, well, it's cause she's
a pretty young Caucasian girl and there are all these
photos of her in your beauty pageant outfits, and if
it was just anybody else or maybe a minority, that
(29:29):
nobody would have paid attention. I don't necessarily agree with that,
but I understand some people have that viewpoint.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It was a very compelling story.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
There are pictures and videos of her, and the beauty
pageants were out there, which is very.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Visual for the news media.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So if you're interested in this case, you're interested in
true crime. As I said, probably eight or nine out
of ten of us are. I would definitely think it's
worth checking out. Again, it's a three parter on Netflix.
And it's also worth reminding you that the Bolder police,
who admitted that there was some mistakes made that they
weren't experienced in these kinds of homicide cases and high
profile cases. They're refuting the central allegation of this new
(30:04):
documentary that there's so called new evidence that they are
not pursuing. I can't imagine a scenario in which a
cold case like that, which was a subject of so
much attention, so much heartache, so many resources, that any
law enforcement officer who's dedicated would intentionally ignore potential new evidence.
(30:27):
Call me naive, but that's my thought. All right, I'm
Phil Schumann. At the top of the hour, we're going
to hear from a local political political political consultant, Matt Klink,
about the headlines that are. You just heard Andrew Caravella
talking about them. That President Biden is set to issue
a pardon of his son Hunter. He has officially he
(30:49):
has officially done it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Okay, it's been done.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Kfix on demand,
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