October 1, 2024 • 34 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – A look ‘Beyond the Box Score’ with regular guest contributor Jackie Rae; Long Beach Post/WNBA Reporter and host of ‘The Jackie Rae Show,’ weighing in on the anticipation of LeBron & Bronny making history on NBA court AND the back and forth ‘trash talk’ between Director Spike Lee and WNBA star Kelsey Plum…PLUS – Thoughts on the growing discussions surrounding the #MeToo movement in the music industry - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's Later with Mo Kelly. We're live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. Let's go beyond the box Score with our
regular commentator and contributor Jackie Ray. Jackie Ray, good evening,
How are you tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm great, good to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I know that you and I have talked about this.
We hoped against it, we wished it wasn't true, but
the Lakers actually went ahead and drafted Brownie James, the
son of Lebron James, even though the general consensus was
he's not ready. Brownie's not ready to play in the NBA.
Maggie Johnson last week said he's not ready. He needs
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at least a year in the G League, which is
the development league. Now. The season is upon us October fourth.
The Lakers start the preseason against the Minnesota Timberwolves. The
Lakers is going to make a big to do about this.
Where do you think all of this is headed for
the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
The Lakers kind of realize something that we all know.
It's just good basketball if you have some sort of drama,
something that people can talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Agree with or disagree with.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I don't want to say it's good basketball, because that's
not exactly what I think we're gonna see.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
But it's good television.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Especially being in a city like Los Angeles, which is
one of the entertainment capitals of the world. I think
this is going to be entertaining. But I still stand
by what you and I.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Have both said.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
This is not a good move if you're trying to
move in the direction of building a team who can
make a championship. Now, like Magic Johnson said, if you're
just gonna get Bronni and you're gonna throw him in
the G League and let him develop, I think Magic
was being nice when he said one year.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I would say two is what he really needs.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
But if that's what you were gonna do, then I
would say, you know, that's great. Pull him up for
some preseason games so we have that moment, those moments
of bron to Bronni. You know, that looks great in
a preseason game. But if you're trying to win a championship,
then this is not a phrase I should hear commentators
saying a lot during the regular season.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I don't believe that the Lakers are trying to win
a championship. I think they're trying to be interesting and
you can win the headlines that way. People will come
to the games to see bron and Bronnie. I get
the marketing aspect, but like you, I don't see the
basketball picture of it. And they have a new coach
and JJ Reddick. I don't know what that's going to be.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's an entertainment move as well.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Right right, the Lakers will always be at the top
of the conversation list. I don't know if they'll be
at the top of the standings now when people will say,
or if they're not familiar with lebron James junior Bronnie James,
why he's not ready. Well, let's just quickly review. He
did not dominate on the high school level, right, he
did not dominate on the college level, only playing one
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year and coming off the bench and was injured for
much of that season. In other words, he has not
shown that at any basketball level he is a superior
talent or elite athlete. Now he may turn into that.
I say may. The evidence doesn't support that, but he may.
I'll give him that room for growth. But if this
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doesn't pan out or it turns out to be a
horrendous failure on the court. What do you think this means,
if anything, for Lebron James Senior's legacy.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I don't think this impacts his legacy in the way
that people might say, oh, his son has to succeed.
I mean his son has already succeeded in a way
he has proved. Lebron James has proven that the name
Lebron James carries so much weight that his son can
get into the league and he's not ready. I don't
really co sign on the fact of, oh, he's taking
a spot from someone who deserves it, because like it
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or not, nepotism is real. I don't have children, but
I've said this before. If there's a road that I
can make a little bit easier for my god daughter,
I'm gonna do it. And so I don't have a
problem with this per se. So I don't think this
impacts his legacy. I do think a lot of people
are saying, Bron he's ready, But I would say that's
the power of social media because we.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Only see the great clips.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
We only see him dunking, we only see him doing
great passes. Nobody who is around but again, that speaks
to Lebron James's legacy because he knows what it's like
to come into a league in a time where social
media is not prevalent and you are doing great things,
but you're scrutinized over the top.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You know the scrutiny that you're receiving.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So now he can kind of facilitate what goes out
with his son and of course those around him. So
I don't think that this really impacts his legacy in
that way. I don't even know if he's thinking about it,
because everything points to Lebron is thinking about his last
day in the NBA. He is thinking about what's next,
and so for him, I think having his son in
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the league as he moves on to other things, solidifies
his legacy for him. Now what that does for other people,
other commentators, I don't think that matters to him.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
For him, it's that he's leaving behind a legacy.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
And let's not forget Bryce is on the way, and
I think Bryce is going to be exponentially better than Bronny.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
This is going to be a long winded question, so
bear with me, and I don't want to go too
far inside basketball, but I think this needs to be said.
Lebron James Junior is maybe six ' to two. He's
an undersized gone guard, but he doesn't play point guard.
He plays the shooting guard. In other words, his ball
handling skills as of this moment are not NBA level.
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I don't know if there's any real position for him
in the league. I don't know if he can guard
point guards, and he'll be probably guarding the off guard,
which is usually six or five or taller. I don't
know if there is a place for him in this league.
I don't know. And that Lebron James has said this
that he doesn't want his son calling him dad on
the court. Well, thanks for that, Lebron. But my question
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is what happens if and when he starts messing up
and Lebron is forced to treat him on the court
like any other player that he would yell at, that
he would wave off, that he would disrespect. Would he
treat his son the same way as he would I
don't know, Di'angelo Russell, I'm not so sure.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I think you would.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Lebron basketball player is definitely different than Lebron Dad, than
Lebron husband, and the way he sees the game, and
we've seen this if you're really paying attention. His relationship
with Anthony Davis, I think is great, but there's times
where he has called out and got in Anthony's David's
face and it has yelled at him and then they
be going back and playing on PlayStation later. His mind
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flips when he is in basketball mode.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
The question really.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Is is Bronni ready for that, Because when you're at
a level of professionalism and you know you're playing with
one of the goats of the game, you have to
mentally be ready for that. Bronnie has experienced Dad his
whole entire life. He's never been on the court. So
now the question is because if they're playing together, it
is going to happen, because Bronni is going to make
some really over the top, bone headed mistakes because he's
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not ready. And then when you add the fact that
he's not ready, and then the nerves and then the
spotlight and then all the scrutiny that comes with it.
I know he says he doesn't pay attention, but we
can all throw that out the window. Everybody pays attention.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oh everybody doesn't. Because I remember how Kobe Bryant flamed
out in the playoffs his rookie year against Utah with
a bunch of air balls. All these people are human.
But speaking of humans, one more question before we go
to the break, talking about legacies, does this mean anything
one way or the other for Genie Buss. I honestly
believe that Rob Polinka the GM, this is his last
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her off this team doesn't do well, I mean very well.
I think he's out. But Genie Bus, it's a different story.
She's not going anywhere. She's not gonna be voted out.
She's not gonna lose control of the team. How do
you think she will be viewed in the league or
at least amongst Laker fans.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I think whatever negativity Genie Buss receives, she deserves. One
of the things that she said that I scrutinized her
for and everybody got mad at me. But there was
a moment in time I forget the boneheaded move she
had made with the Lakers. But then like a week later,
it was the birthday of Kobe Bryant, and she said,
I really miss my friend and him telling me what
to do, and that to me signified Okay, there is
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the proof that I needed that Lebron is.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Telling you what to do. If you aren't incapable of running.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
A franchise independently of the feelings and the request of
the players, you are in the wrong business.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And she needs to take a heart look at herself.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
KFI AM six forty we're live everywhere at the iHeartRadio app.
When we come back, we have more basketball talk, but
I don't know if everyone saws this. There's this clip
which has gone viral between Spike Lee, the film director,
and also Kelsey Plum on the court. Now, we all
know that Spike Lee is is a huge basketball fan,
and we know that he loves to talk trash to
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players from the court. If you know anything about him
and Reggie Reggie Miller. This is nothing new, but it's
new when it includes an w NBA player and there's
the male female dynamic. We'll get into that next.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Forty KFI Mo Kelly and Jackie Ray. We're all live
everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. And as we continue to
go beyond the box score, we talked about the WNBA
and we talk about the NBA. But what about the intersection.
You have Spike Lee, who's world known as a film
director but also as an avid basketball fan of course
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of the Nicks. But what happens when he starts trash
talking a female WNBA player in the name of Kelsey
Plum and she gives just as good as she gets.
How do you think. I've seen the clip, and you've
seen the clip. What does that do for the WNBA?
And is there something uncomfortable about the male female dynamic
of the trash talking?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Not to me, I loved every single aspect of it.
I think that every single WNBA player would tell you
that they love this moment. Kelsey Plumb actually in the
postgame talked about it. She said, she can't say on
the microphone what was said in between them, she said,
but she loves seeing him there, and she loves the
fact that he's so supportive of the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So I think the trash talk is great.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
One of the things that I kind of laughed with
my friend about when I was watching that game. I
was like, now, see, if that had been somebody in
the NBA, they would have called the security and asked.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Them to be escorted out.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
But that's not happening in the W because the w's
in this very unique time where they appreciate now some
of the views that they've been getting as toxic. Whatever
Lee says, it was not toxic. It's all in good fun.
They both ended up ended up laughing at the end
of it. And I think that in our society, sure,
the way people now are, every little thing has to
have some deeper meaning to it. It could be like,
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oh my god, look at how this man is talking
to this woman.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
But Kelsey Plumb goes by k dogg.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
She she's got that dog in her like, she does
not care about this man talking stuff on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
She welcomes it. I thought it was a great moment.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I said a while ago. I think to you and
definitely to other folks, the WNBA is going to need
those sideline celebrities, be it Jason Sedakis or Spike Lee
or any number of celebrities who are now gravitating toward
the w NBA game. And since the getting these prime
television slots like Sunday on ABC at noon, you know
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that the celebrities are going to start coming out. Where
do the celebrities sit in this game? As far as
you were concerned.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Celebrities who know the game are great.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I think celebrities specifically like Spike Lee are great because
he's been around so long. I mean, the Sparks haven't
won in forever, but it would be great to see
see if like Jack Nicholson, like if he was on
the side, that would be great because these are celebrities
that are constantly present at games. I'm not a Drake fan,
but Drake is constantly present at certain games. So if
he starts going to games, you know, in Toronto, I
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think that'll be great. The reality of it is is
that people are gravitating to who they like, and.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
People like these specific celebrities.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
So seeing their favorite celebrity on the sideline is not
only great for that celebrity, it's great for the game
of basketball, and to the novice fans, it kind of
solidifies how great this game is when you have a
big name sitting on the sideline. Now, to those of
us who've been watching the WNBA for a long time
that it doesn't mean the same thing, but for the
new fans it really kind of says, oh, these women
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are important. What they're doing is important because these celebrities
are making time to come out and watch these games.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Caitlin Clark as Wilson have both said down after the
season they're not going to play in Unrivaled. They're going
to take some time off because with Kaitlyn Clark she
went straight from college to pro and Asian Wilson was
pro in Olympics. Does this mean because you have increased
viewership and increased interest, that players will now have the
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ability to not go overseas in the off season.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
No, it doesn't mean that at all.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It means Caitlin Clark and Asia Wilson don't have to
because they have the endorsements that they can relax. Everybody
else needs to be looking. You know, Kelsey Plumb probably
doesn't have to. I just saw a commercial with her
and Giannis Antetokupo.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And his brother. She probably doesn't have to. She has
a shoe deal as well.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
So there are certain individuals that don't have to go overseas.
But the reality of it is, and I know I
have to work five jobs to do it, but I
make more than the average person in the WNBA. So
the reality of it is, no, they're still going to
have to go overseas. I would prefer them to play
in unrivaled. I know there's not enough slots for everyone
to play an unrival But when you're talking about safety,
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but you're talking about building the WNBA, we don't watch
them when they're overseas. We see highlights, but we're not
watching teams play in China or in Germany.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We're not watching that.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
So to have the continued eyes on the league, I
think playing and unrivaled, if you're going to play year round,
is your best bet, although you're probably still gonna make
more money overseas, so it's gonna take time.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
What do you think, if anything, the jailing of Britney
Griner did for the perception of WNB player w NBA
players and considering Russia, is Russia now just a done
deal where nobody's gonna go or they're still going to
test those waters because they're playing good.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Money they're playing.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I think Russia, Russia and Germany play pay the best,
so you've got to go.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
That's where you want to go.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
But when you're talking about now, let me just say this,
because I haven't talked to every single person in the league,
but from the people that I have talked to, nobody's
going to Russia. And I think when you're talking about
just as a American citizens, American citizens as a whole
have been encouraged not to go to Russia because of
what can potentially happen to you, even if you're not
a celebrity. So no one in my knowledge is going
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to Russia, and no one in the future of Russia
has pretty much shot themselves in the foot in my
opinion on getting another American player to play over there.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Ever, again, I get it, and I don't blame them. Jacuary,
what are you working on?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
So I am excited about this.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Actually the next two weeks of the Jackuary Show, which
came back last week. If you missed it, you can
go check that out. It was a great episode. Olivia
Nelson Odota was on their Plus I had Jax from
watching me Sports Bar, which I'm going to go to tonight.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
It's here in Long Beaches, a girls bar, so go
check it out.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
But this week, we're really going to start breaking down
some of the things that people say about both presidential candidates,
whether it's true or not true. We're going to break
down what's true and what's not true. We're also going
to break down if you live in so Cow. There's
going to be some measures on the ballot that I
honestly don't think are getting enough attention. People don't know
what they're voting on, and so we're going to start
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breaking those down making sure you understand it so when
you do go out and vote, you can make an
informed vote. And then next week I'm going to have
Anthony Holmes. He is a person who works with the
refuse department here in Long Beach. I wrote an article
about him and the discrimination that he's experiencing.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
So he's going to be on the show. So that's
going to be fun as well.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
All right, talk to you soon, Jackie Ray.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
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Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Bill Maher Real Time with Bill Maher. He is a
political pundit. He is a comedian, he's a podcaster. He
has a voice in many spaces and places. But Bill
has gone through this change. It seems like he's socially inquisitive.
It seems like he's asking questions as if he actually
wants to know the answer, and I don't think he does.
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And here's why I say this, because Bill is asking
questions at the wrong time of the wrong people, supposedly
in search of the right answers. And if you're in
search of the right answers, then you have to be
more mindful of to whom you're speaking and also how
you're fielding your knowledge base, what type of information you're
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trying to gather that you come to your conclusions. Now,
I don't know if he listens to me. I know
he knows who I am because I've criticized him publicly
many times, and he's very sensitive to being criticized, so
I know he's aware of me. He's never asked me
on his show. I doubt that he ever will. But
if you want some sincere answers to his questions, he
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would do better and listen to me. Here's what I mean.
On his most recent show, Friday Night, he was asking
about two things surrounding the B two movement. First, he
had this view about cancel culture, and he asked a
question seemingly sincere, but to whom he was asking it
and how it was posing it was being posed? It
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says to me that either you don't want to know
the answer, or you don't want to ask the right
person for the answer. Here's Bill his latest commentary on
cancel culture.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
We're in a strange place in this country, like the
people who want to find somebody guilty even when there
are investigations and they're exonerated. Sorry, not good enough. Kevin
Spacey had two completely innocent in two countries. Sorry, we
don't care. You're still out. Doesn't matter what. Either you
believe in the rule of law or you don't.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
No, Okay, let me let me address what he's saying.
He's basically saying, well, if someone is found not guilty,
not innocent, but not guilty in a court of law,
then that person he or she should be made whole
of their life goes back to where it was before
the criminal allegations or the sexual misc conduct allegations came down.
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I completely disagree with it. Just because someone is either
found not guilty or find some degree of exoneration, it
does not mean that you deserve a paycheck. It does
not mean that everyone is going to feel comfortable working
with you, or offering a million dollar part to you,
or putting you in their movie or TV show. Those
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things are completely separate. And let me just point to
Oj Simpson. He was found not guilty the first case,
so the criminal murder case in a court of law.
No one was begging for him to get a job right.
No one thought that he should be made whole. No
one thought that, well, he should be going back to
doing a comedic of appearances and he should be back
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in movies. Now why he was found not guilty. No,
it just meant that he was found not guilty. It
did not mean he was innocent. And either way enough
people were uncomfortable at the idea of providing a safe
space for Oj Simpson, Kevin Spacey. Yes, he's been found
not guilty, he's been exonerated or or charges have mysteriously
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disappeared because the person who was accusing him dropped the charges.
But it doesn't mean and I'll give you a perfect example,
a lot of these times, these actors are actresses of people.
They may be found not guilty of the things which
are publicly known, but the behavior is so pervasive. There
are other instances that people in the know, people in
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the industry know about that they don't want to have
anything to do with him, say with R. Kelly, I'll
use him. For example. R Kelly, he was a known quantity.
He had a child pornography case against him many years
before this recent spate of cases in which he was
eventually found guilty and locked up, presumably for the rest
of his life. I worked in the music industry at
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the time. His behavior was well known. It's just that
a lot of people either did not want to mess
up the gravy train, or the people who were willing
to come forward were not believed. So just because R.
Kelly will found not guilty of that first child pornography
case in which he was viewed having sex with a
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minor on a videotape, and he wriggled his way out
of that. It was later found out that he was
paying off witnesses, tried to jury, tamper, and all those things.
His career had a precipitous drop after that because people
did not want to associate themselves with him or his
ongoing behavior, and it turned out that ongoing behavior turned
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into criminal behavior. And the rest, they say, is history.
Just because Kevin Spacey was found not guilty or he
was exonerated of these two instances, it does not mean,
and I don't have any insight knowledge as far as
Kevin Spacey's concerned, it does not mean that everything that
he was possibly doing or allegedly doing that didn't come
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to light was enough to make people comfortable to going
back to work with him, to going to risk having
him as the star of their movie. Sometimes it's okay
to say know to someone. Same with Mel Gibson. We
all heard the tapes, we heard what he said. It
doesn't matter to me. To me and if you were here,
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we've tried to get him on the show. It doesn't
matter to me whether someone hires him or not. That's
up to whoever feels comfortable with spending their money. Mel
Gibson doesn't deserve a movie just because he's Mel Gibson.
As it turned out, some people have hired him, and
he's had minor to middleing roles, so it's up to
the industry, is up to the moneymakers to decide. That's
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why I vehemently disagree with Bill Maher. And there's this
and this is what really got me mad. And Bill,
if you're listening, you really really need to change the
people that you're talking to. In this clip, Bill is
speaking to social and cultural commentator fran Lebovitz, who is
a very knowledgeable individual, but even in the clip, doesn't
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really know much about the Puffy p Diddy situation. Why
was he asking her? Number one? She's not a music
industry veteran, And after you realize that she wasn't the
one who'd be knowledgeable about it, why did you keep
going down this road? Here's Bill and frandle Buitz.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I'm been asking this question for seven years, since twenty
seventeen when the me too thing happened. Why why not
the music industry? I mean they went after NPR pretty
bad that show. They got like four or five guys
from NPR, like old guys. Who's like they posted like
a an outrageous limerick on the doorway of the bookshop.
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The music industry is this open cesspool of misogyny and
frankly rape and sexual harassment, and somehow they have just
the angel of death has flown over them.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
But why do you think that will? Why is Bill
maher asking her that? Is she like some record industry mobile?
Is she familiar with the ins and outs of the
music industry? I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Why do you come gradually.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I think it's because this is a capitalist country and
the music industry is much more lucrative than NPR.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
No, that is not it. That has nothing to do
with it, zero, completely wrong. More, don't applaud that. Let's
just asking the wrong person and then clapping for the
wrong answer. It's categorically incorrect.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
That would more, you know, I did.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
I mean a lot of the stories about everybody, starting
with me too. I've heard a lot of these stories,
you know, for many years.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You know, so.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Puffius was not exactly a state secret, you know, but
was state secret apparently to them.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, it was not a state secret to anyone. And
let me just boil it down to this. And I know, Twela,
you got to get some of this. The issue was
that the danger was real in the music industry, and
there was a history, a well documented history. That's why
I mentioned r Kelly of people coming forward, not only
being threatened after they came forward, but not believe. There
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was witness tampering, There was jewelry tampering. Kid Cutty had
his car blown up in relation to Cassie and her
allegations against P Diddy. Back in the day, there were
real threats of violence. People were not worried about just
losing their careers. They were worried about losing their lives
or endangering family members. That's why it's different. That's why,
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even though it was an open secret, nobody did anything.
And also, you have people. Powerful people are connected to
powerful people. You have Eric Adams, mayor Eric Adams under
indictment given the key of the city to p Diddy
under indictment. Powerful people know powerful people. That's why it
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took another seven years, Bill and Fran.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
A lot of these stories that people are hearing about
are actually not news stories.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
A lot of this has.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Been revealed and discussed about Diddy and several other musicians
and music moguls within the same vein. But to your point,
a lot of these stories went away. A lot of
these individuals were threatened. There are individuals that both you
and I MO know that were threatened to the point
where they had to leave California because their lives were
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threatened just for handing a record over to a DJ
and playing it without the green light of this notorious
record company. It was real. There's a rapper that you
all know and love. He had a song called Ice
Ice Baby. Listen to some of the things that he
said years ago about what was happening to him in
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the music industry, and no one was believing him.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You're talking about they hung out of a window, stuff
like that about the window. Yes, I know that for
a fact, that that's a real story.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
He said that, and no one believe and they thought,
oh whatever, that's just talk.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And that was a dude. Okay, that was a dude.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
So when those things are happening to dudes, and those
things are happening to record executives, you and I both
know a program director who was beaten. We know record
executive off beaten in their offices.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
And I told the story of Steve Stout. It was
in the La Times, So I have no problem talking
about it. Have Steve Stout executive at Interscope Records. When
I was at Interscope Records when P Diddy and his
goons came into the New York office and beat the
crap out of him in his office, hit him in
the head with a telephone, and walked out. They later
arrested him. But my point is the threats and violence
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were real, and so you want a woman who may
have been raped by Diddy allegedly to come forward and
risk her life, her family's lives, and knowing that no
one's gonna believe her because powerful people know powerful people.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Some of the comments that I saw with the last
victim to come forward, I think it was on Friday,
some of the comments that I read in the fee
talking about what happened? How come she didn't come out sooner?
Did you read the graphic nature of what happened to her?
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Read that and then talk to me about why she
did not come forward?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You know what? And everything changed after people finally saw
the video of Cassile getting beat by the elevator. You
know what that was in her life. Tuesday, it's Later
with mo Kelly ca if I am six forty. Hey, Bill,
you know, I know you love your show and everything,
but if you want to ask real questions, come see me,
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Speaker 1 (27:35):
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Speaker 2 (27:40):
And there was more to be said about that subject.
I started last segment playing some audio from Bill Maher
from his most recent show this week talking about the
Meto movement. Why it took seven years in his estimation,
for the Meto movement to find the music industry something
we have been talking about for quite some time. For
whatever reasons, Bill didn't think that we knew what we
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were talking about. It didn't call us or whatever. But
he was asking the wrong people if he actually wanted
a real answer or the right answer to his question.
And no disrespect to fran Libavist, but she has no
connection to the music industry, just not none. But he
felt she was the one to ask because she was
a guest on his show, and I was making the
point in twelve, was making the point. The reason why
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the music industry had escaped the me Too movement in
part was because the music industry was built upon the
pathology of misogyny, from the lyrics and records to the
violence in how the music industry conducted business, from people
walking into radio stations and beating the crap out of
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programmers forcing them to play records, to the payola which
was going on behind the scenes, forcing people to pay records,
to the extortion all of that, and that has nothing
to do with how the women were treated. As far
as videos, I can tell you about Nelly in the video,
you can look it up right now. Who are he's
swiping a credit card through a woman's behind. It wasn't
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done just because it was something they thought it would
be cute for a video. It's something that was done
at parties all the time, paying for lap dances and
other favors.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
You made a phenomenal stellar point during the break regarding
why people did not come forward early with some of
these stories. And when you lay all that out, all
that violence and everything that goes into the music industry,
you hadn't made the comparison to why people did not
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come forward against the mob.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yes, because they would have been killed or their families
would have been killed. And there's something else that people
forget a lot, especially in hip hop, especially hip hop music.
A lot of the record companies, and I'm not going
to call any names, because there's still people a lot
out there who can do stuff. A lot of the
hip hop record companies were directly related to the drug trade.
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They were fronts for the drug trade. A lot of
the companies were run by drug lords and they had
violence all around them. The music was a way of
laundering what they were doing in the drug scene. That's
all I can say.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
Yeah, No, there are stories that you can google and
maybe you will believe them now about some of the
illicit trade that happens within rap music. And I note
a lot of time you listen to these songs that
may be on the radio, and you may think it's
just music or it's just entertainment, because several several times
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when you get these individuals on the witness stand, they say,
it's just music, that's not really my life. But that's
not true. We're seeing more and more and more within
today's at least within the hip hop community. We are
seeing more and more artists who are bringing that actual,
real violence to their music and to their performance to
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streets everywhere. And it's not a surprise. It's not a
surprise to Mona because we've seen that from day one.
It was fun back in the day being a part
of the music industry that it was thrilling. It was fun,
it was, but you were always on the edge of
your seat. If you've ever had a recording artist coming
to a meeting with a gun talking about why aren't
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you playing their music, you get a very real sense
of how serious and how precarious your life is in
moments like that, when you're thinking to yourself, this individual
actually has a gun, in this music meeting.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I forgot how often that we went to parties and
guns were just around, how drugs were around. The threats
were actually real. When I said my life was threatened
more than once. You know, I laugh about it now
because I should have been smart enough to take it
more seriously back then. But yeah, it was a real thing.
The folence was real. And if you were a woman,
then who number one, No one's gonna believe you. There
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was no social media to get your message out, and
the powerful people knew powerful people, so they would head
you off at the past and if that didn't work,
they would bring harm to you or your family. It
wasn't about It wasn't about oh my gosh, they may
ruin my career. No, they may kill you. Yeah, that's
what people were having, like, including the New York Times.
Why is it a me too movement? Is just getting
around to the music industry. No, because people were afraid
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they were going to die. That's why they weren't going
to come forward. And look how was Cassie treated when
she came forward originally, And we knew most of those stories,
everything she said in her lawsuit, it wasn't unknown. The
difference was she was finally ready and felt safe enough
to tell her story, and the change in the law,
the survivor's law, allowed her the opportunity to do that.
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And when she told her story and then I'll say,
did he blinked, made that apology and made that I
don't know, seven eight figure payment to Cassie, Then that
kind of opened the floodgates for people to finally to
feel safe enough in numbers to tell their story without
harm coming to them. Because there was such a spotlight
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on Diddy and he's just the first. We keep telling you.
Let's say it again. Okay, we got to get this
on the record again because someone's gonna ask the dumb
ass question, Oh my gosh, is it a me too
moment for the music industry? Yes, yes, and they're gonna
be many more. They're gonna be big names, names that
you've heard of, people you're not heard of. You're gonna
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wonder like this happened to this female artist. Yes, that
female arts So what about Yes her too, not me too,
but her too. And you're gonna start to finally believe
Oh my gosh, Swallen and Mo, they actually predicted this,
not really, not really It's just that we knew where
all this was headed and we were paying attention, and
now some people would just want to get on the
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lake freight and act like they're breaking new ground. It's like, oh,
my goodness, did you realize that the me too movement
had caught up to the music industry. Yeah, we said
that when it was all about TV and movies. We
told you then you knew. Then you did nothing. You
didn't believe us. You didn't believe us. We tried to
tell you, and then people tuned into Bill Maher and
start clapping because he asked me out. Oh my gosh,
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there's been seven years of the me too movement and
they haven't brought in the gone after the music industry.
We've been telling you this for years, and that's the
frustrating part. Because women have been abused. We told you
they were abused. I told you about my time at
the Grammys. I told you what I did there. I
told you how I spoke out. It's not new except
to the people who don't know what the frick they're
talking about, like Bill barr k if I am six forty,
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think we've got all the answers. Well, we've got news
for you. Chief. No, seriously, we've got news right now.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's Later with Mo Kelly. We're live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. Let's go beyond the box Score with our
regular commentator and contributor Jackie Ray. Jackie Ray, good evening,
How are you tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm great, good to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I know that you and I have talked about this.
We hoped against it, we wished it wasn't true, but
the Lakers actually went ahead and drafted Brownie James, the
son of Lebron James, even though the general consensus was
he's not ready. Brownie's not ready to play in the NBA.
Maggie Johnson last week said he's not ready. He needs
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at least a year in the G League, which is
the development league. Now. The season is upon us October fourth.
The Lakers start the preseason against the Minnesota Timberwolves. The
Lakers is going to make a big to do about this.
Where do you think all of this is headed for
the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
The Lakers kind of realize something that we all know.
It's just good basketball if you have some sort of drama,
something that people can talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Agree with or disagree with.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I don't want to say it's good basketball, because that's
not exactly what I think we're gonna see.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
But it's good television.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Especially being in a city like Los Angeles, which is
one of the entertainment capitals of the world. I think
this is going to be entertaining. But I still stand
by what you and I.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Have both said.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
This is not a good move if you're trying to
move in the direction of building a team who can
make a championship. Now, like Magic Johnson said, if you're
just gonna get Bronni and you're gonna throw him in
the G League and let him develop, I think Magic
was being nice when he said one year.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I would say two is what he really needs.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
But if that's what you were gonna do, then I
would say, you know, that's great. Pull him up for
some preseason games so we have that moment, those moments
of bron to Bronni. You know, that looks great in
a preseason game. But if you're trying to win a championship,
then this is not a phrase I should hear commentators
saying a lot during the regular season.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I don't believe that the Lakers are trying to win
a championship. I think they're trying to be interesting and
you can win the headlines that way. People will come
to the games to see bron and Bronnie. I get
the marketing aspect, but like you, I don't see the
basketball picture of it. And they have a new coach
and JJ Reddick. I don't know what that's going to be.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's an entertainment move as well.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Right right, the Lakers will always be at the top
of the conversation list. I don't know if they'll be
at the top of the standings now when people will say,
or if they're not familiar with lebron James junior Bronnie James,
why he's not ready. Well, let's just quickly review. He
did not dominate on the high school level, right, he
did not dominate on the college level, only playing one
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year and coming off the bench and was injured for
much of that season. In other words, he has not
shown that at any basketball level he is a superior
talent or elite athlete. Now he may turn into that.
I say may. The evidence doesn't support that, but he may.
I'll give him that room for growth. But if this
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doesn't pan out or it turns out to be a
horrendous failure on the court. What do you think this means,
if anything, for Lebron James Senior's legacy.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I don't think this impacts his legacy in the way
that people might say, oh, his son has to succeed.
I mean his son has already succeeded in a way
he has proved. Lebron James has proven that the name
Lebron James carries so much weight that his son can
get into the league and he's not ready. I don't
really co sign on the fact of, oh, he's taking
a spot from someone who deserves it, because like it
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or not, nepotism is real. I don't have children, but
I've said this before. If there's a road that I
can make a little bit easier for my god daughter,
I'm gonna do it. And so I don't have a
problem with this per se. So I don't think this
impacts his legacy. I do think a lot of people
are saying, Bron he's ready, But I would say that's
the power of social media because we.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Only see the great clips.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
We only see him dunking, we only see him doing
great passes. Nobody who is around but again, that speaks
to Lebron James's legacy because he knows what it's like
to come into a league in a time where social
media is not prevalent and you are doing great things,
but you're scrutinized over the top.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You know the scrutiny that you're receiving.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So now he can kind of facilitate what goes out
with his son and of course those around him. So
I don't think that this really impacts his legacy in
that way. I don't even know if he's thinking about it,
because everything points to Lebron is thinking about his last
day in the NBA. He is thinking about what's next,
and so for him, I think having his son in
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the league as he moves on to other things, solidifies
his legacy for him. Now what that does for other people,
other commentators, I don't think that matters to him.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
For him, it's that he's leaving behind a legacy.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
And let's not forget Bryce is on the way, and
I think Bryce is going to be exponentially better than Bronny.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
This is going to be a long winded question, so
bear with me, and I don't want to go too
far inside basketball, but I think this needs to be said.
Lebron James Junior is maybe six ' to two. He's
an undersized gone guard, but he doesn't play point guard.
He plays the shooting guard. In other words, his ball
handling skills as of this moment are not NBA level.
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I don't know if there's any real position for him
in the league. I don't know if he can guard
point guards, and he'll be probably guarding the off guard,
which is usually six or five or taller. I don't
know if there is a place for him in this league.
I don't know. And that Lebron James has said this
that he doesn't want his son calling him dad on
the court. Well, thanks for that, Lebron. But my question
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is what happens if and when he starts messing up
and Lebron is forced to treat him on the court
like any other player that he would yell at, that
he would wave off, that he would disrespect. Would he
treat his son the same way as he would I
don't know, Di'angelo Russell, I'm not so sure.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I think you would.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Lebron basketball player is definitely different than Lebron Dad, than
Lebron husband, and the way he sees the game, and
we've seen this if you're really paying attention. His relationship
with Anthony Davis, I think is great, but there's times
where he has called out and got in Anthony's David's
face and it has yelled at him and then they
be going back and playing on PlayStation later. His mind
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flips when he is in basketball mode.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
The question really.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Is is Bronni ready for that, Because when you're at
a level of professionalism and you know you're playing with
one of the goats of the game, you have to
mentally be ready for that. Bronnie has experienced Dad his
whole entire life. He's never been on the court. So
now the question is because if they're playing together, it
is going to happen, because Bronni is going to make
some really over the top, bone headed mistakes because he's
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not ready. And then when you add the fact that
he's not ready, and then the nerves and then the
spotlight and then all the scrutiny that comes with it.
I know he says he doesn't pay attention, but we
can all throw that out the window. Everybody pays attention.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oh everybody doesn't. Because I remember how Kobe Bryant flamed
out in the playoffs his rookie year against Utah with
a bunch of air balls. All these people are human.
But speaking of humans, one more question before we go
to the break, talking about legacies, does this mean anything
one way or the other for Genie Buss. I honestly
believe that Rob Polinka the GM, this is his last
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her off this team doesn't do well, I mean very well.
I think he's out. But Genie Bus, it's a different story.
She's not going anywhere. She's not gonna be voted out.
She's not gonna lose control of the team. How do
you think she will be viewed in the league or
at least amongst Laker fans.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I think whatever negativity Genie Buss receives, she deserves. One
of the things that she said that I scrutinized her
for and everybody got mad at me. But there was
a moment in time I forget the boneheaded move she
had made with the Lakers. But then like a week later,
it was the birthday of Kobe Bryant, and she said,
I really miss my friend and him telling me what
to do, and that to me signified Okay, there is
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the proof that I needed that Lebron is.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Telling you what to do. If you aren't incapable of running.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
A franchise independently of the feelings and the request of
the players, you are in the wrong business.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And she needs to take a heart look at herself.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
KFI AM six forty we're live everywhere at the iHeartRadio app.
When we come back, we have more basketball talk, but
I don't know if everyone saws this. There's this clip
which has gone viral between Spike Lee, the film director,
and also Kelsey Plum on the court. Now, we all
know that Spike Lee is is a huge basketball fan,
and we know that he loves to talk trash to
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players from the court. If you know anything about him
and Reggie Reggie Miller. This is nothing new, but it's
new when it includes an w NBA player and there's
the male female dynamic. We'll get into that next.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Forty KFI Mo Kelly and Jackie Ray. We're all live
everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. And as we continue to
go beyond the box score, we talked about the WNBA
and we talk about the NBA. But what about the intersection.
You have Spike Lee, who's world known as a film
director but also as an avid basketball fan of course
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of the Nicks. But what happens when he starts trash
talking a female WNBA player in the name of Kelsey
Plum and she gives just as good as she gets.
How do you think. I've seen the clip, and you've
seen the clip. What does that do for the WNBA?
And is there something uncomfortable about the male female dynamic
of the trash talking?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Not to me, I loved every single aspect of it.
I think that every single WNBA player would tell you
that they love this moment. Kelsey Plumb actually in the
postgame talked about it. She said, she can't say on
the microphone what was said in between them, she said,
but she loves seeing him there, and she loves the
fact that he's so supportive of the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So I think the trash talk is great.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
One of the things that I kind of laughed with
my friend about when I was watching that game. I
was like, now, see, if that had been somebody in
the NBA, they would have called the security and asked.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Them to be escorted out.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
But that's not happening in the W because the w's
in this very unique time where they appreciate now some
of the views that they've been getting as toxic. Whatever
Lee says, it was not toxic. It's all in good fun.
They both ended up ended up laughing at the end
of it. And I think that in our society, sure,
the way people now are, every little thing has to
have some deeper meaning to it. It could be like,
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oh my god, look at how this man is talking
to this woman.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
But Kelsey Plumb goes by k dogg.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
She she's got that dog in her like, she does
not care about this man talking stuff on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
She welcomes it. I thought it was a great moment.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I said a while ago. I think to you and
definitely to other folks, the WNBA is going to need
those sideline celebrities, be it Jason Sedakis or Spike Lee
or any number of celebrities who are now gravitating toward
the w NBA game. And since the getting these prime
television slots like Sunday on ABC at noon, you know
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that the celebrities are going to start coming out. Where
do the celebrities sit in this game? As far as
you were concerned.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Celebrities who know the game are great.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I think celebrities specifically like Spike Lee are great because
he's been around so long. I mean, the Sparks haven't
won in forever, but it would be great to see
see if like Jack Nicholson, like if he was on
the side, that would be great because these are celebrities
that are constantly present at games. I'm not a Drake fan,
but Drake is constantly present at certain games. So if
he starts going to games, you know, in Toronto, I
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think that'll be great. The reality of it is is
that people are gravitating to who they like, and.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
People like these specific celebrities.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
So seeing their favorite celebrity on the sideline is not
only great for that celebrity, it's great for the game
of basketball, and to the novice fans, it kind of
solidifies how great this game is when you have a
big name sitting on the sideline. Now, to those of
us who've been watching the WNBA for a long time
that it doesn't mean the same thing, but for the
new fans it really kind of says, oh, these women
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are important. What they're doing is important because these celebrities
are making time to come out and watch these games.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Caitlin Clark as Wilson have both said down after the
season they're not going to play in Unrivaled. They're going
to take some time off because with Kaitlyn Clark she
went straight from college to pro and Asian Wilson was
pro in Olympics. Does this mean because you have increased
viewership and increased interest, that players will now have the
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ability to not go overseas in the off season.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
No, it doesn't mean that at all.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It means Caitlin Clark and Asia Wilson don't have to
because they have the endorsements that they can relax. Everybody
else needs to be looking. You know, Kelsey Plumb probably
doesn't have to. I just saw a commercial with her
and Giannis Antetokupo.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And his brother. She probably doesn't have to. She has
a shoe deal as well.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
So there are certain individuals that don't have to go overseas.
But the reality of it is, and I know I
have to work five jobs to do it, but I
make more than the average person in the WNBA. So
the reality of it is, no, they're still going to
have to go overseas. I would prefer them to play
in unrivaled. I know there's not enough slots for everyone
to play an unrival But when you're talking about safety,
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but you're talking about building the WNBA, we don't watch
them when they're overseas. We see highlights, but we're not
watching teams play in China or in Germany.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We're not watching that.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
So to have the continued eyes on the league, I
think playing and unrivaled, if you're going to play year round,
is your best bet, although you're probably still gonna make
more money overseas, so it's gonna take time.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
What do you think, if anything, the jailing of Britney
Griner did for the perception of WNB player w NBA
players and considering Russia, is Russia now just a done
deal where nobody's gonna go or they're still going to
test those waters because they're playing good.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Money they're playing.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I think Russia, Russia and Germany play pay the best,
so you've got to go.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
That's where you want to go.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
But when you're talking about now, let me just say this,
because I haven't talked to every single person in the league,
but from the people that I have talked to, nobody's
going to Russia. And I think when you're talking about
just as a American citizens, American citizens as a whole
have been encouraged not to go to Russia because of
what can potentially happen to you, even if you're not
a celebrity. So no one in my knowledge is going
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to Russia, and no one in the future of Russia
has pretty much shot themselves in the foot in my
opinion on getting another American player to play over there.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Ever, again, I get it, and I don't blame them. Jacuary,
what are you working on?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
So I am excited about this.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Actually the next two weeks of the Jackuary Show, which
came back last week. If you missed it, you can
go check that out. It was a great episode. Olivia
Nelson Odota was on their Plus I had Jax from
watching me Sports Bar, which I'm going to go to tonight.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
It's here in Long Beaches, a girls bar, so go
check it out.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
But this week, we're really going to start breaking down
some of the things that people say about both presidential candidates,
whether it's true or not true. We're going to break
down what's true and what's not true. We're also going
to break down if you live in so Cow. There's
going to be some measures on the ballot that I
honestly don't think are getting enough attention. People don't know
what they're voting on, and so we're going to start
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breaking those down making sure you understand it so when
you do go out and vote, you can make an
informed vote. And then next week I'm going to have
Anthony Holmes. He is a person who works with the
refuse department here in Long Beach. I wrote an article
about him and the discrimination that he's experiencing.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
So he's going to be on the show. So that's
going to be fun as well.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
All right, talk to you soon, Jackie Ray.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's a letter with Mo Kelly CAFI AM six forty
Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Bill Maher Real Time with Bill Maher. He is a
political pundit. He is a comedian, he's a podcaster. He
has a voice in many spaces and places. But Bill
has gone through this change. It seems like he's socially inquisitive.
It seems like he's asking questions as if he actually
wants to know the answer, and I don't think he does.
(15:56):
And here's why I say this, because Bill is asking
questions at the wrong time of the wrong people, supposedly
in search of the right answers. And if you're in
search of the right answers, then you have to be
more mindful of to whom you're speaking and also how
you're fielding your knowledge base, what type of information you're
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trying to gather that you come to your conclusions. Now,
I don't know if he listens to me. I know
he knows who I am because I've criticized him publicly
many times, and he's very sensitive to being criticized, so
I know he's aware of me. He's never asked me
on his show. I doubt that he ever will. But
if you want some sincere answers to his questions, he
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would do better and listen to me. Here's what I mean.
On his most recent show, Friday Night, he was asking
about two things surrounding the B two movement. First, he
had this view about cancel culture, and he asked a
question seemingly sincere, but to whom he was asking it
and how it was posing it was being posed? It
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says to me that either you don't want to know
the answer, or you don't want to ask the right
person for the answer. Here's Bill his latest commentary on
cancel culture.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
We're in a strange place in this country, like the
people who want to find somebody guilty even when there
are investigations and they're exonerated. Sorry, not good enough. Kevin
Spacey had two completely innocent in two countries. Sorry, we
don't care. You're still out. Doesn't matter what. Either you
believe in the rule of law or you don't.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
No, Okay, let me let me address what he's saying.
He's basically saying, well, if someone is found not guilty,
not innocent, but not guilty in a court of law,
then that person he or she should be made whole
of their life goes back to where it was before
the criminal allegations or the sexual misc conduct allegations came down.
(17:58):
I completely disagree with it. Just because someone is either
found not guilty or find some degree of exoneration, it
does not mean that you deserve a paycheck. It does
not mean that everyone is going to feel comfortable working
with you, or offering a million dollar part to you,
or putting you in their movie or TV show. Those
(18:21):
things are completely separate. And let me just point to
Oj Simpson. He was found not guilty the first case,
so the criminal murder case in a court of law.
No one was begging for him to get a job right.
No one thought that he should be made whole. No
one thought that, well, he should be going back to
doing a comedic of appearances and he should be back
(18:42):
in movies. Now why he was found not guilty. No,
it just meant that he was found not guilty. It
did not mean he was innocent. And either way enough
people were uncomfortable at the idea of providing a safe
space for Oj Simpson, Kevin Spacey. Yes, he's been found
not guilty, he's been exonerated or or charges have mysteriously
(19:03):
disappeared because the person who was accusing him dropped the charges.
But it doesn't mean and I'll give you a perfect example,
a lot of these times, these actors are actresses of people.
They may be found not guilty of the things which
are publicly known, but the behavior is so pervasive. There
are other instances that people in the know, people in
(19:23):
the industry know about that they don't want to have
anything to do with him, say with R. Kelly, I'll
use him. For example. R Kelly, he was a known quantity.
He had a child pornography case against him many years
before this recent spate of cases in which he was
eventually found guilty and locked up, presumably for the rest
of his life. I worked in the music industry at
(19:45):
the time. His behavior was well known. It's just that
a lot of people either did not want to mess
up the gravy train, or the people who were willing
to come forward were not believed. So just because R.
Kelly will found not guilty of that first child pornography
case in which he was viewed having sex with a
(20:06):
minor on a videotape, and he wriggled his way out
of that. It was later found out that he was
paying off witnesses, tried to jury, tamper, and all those things.
His career had a precipitous drop after that because people
did not want to associate themselves with him or his
ongoing behavior, and it turned out that ongoing behavior turned
(20:27):
into criminal behavior. And the rest, they say, is history.
Just because Kevin Spacey was found not guilty or he
was exonerated of these two instances, it does not mean,
and I don't have any insight knowledge as far as
Kevin Spacey's concerned, it does not mean that everything that
he was possibly doing or allegedly doing that didn't come
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to light was enough to make people comfortable to going
back to work with him, to going to risk having
him as the star of their movie. Sometimes it's okay
to say know to someone. Same with Mel Gibson. We
all heard the tapes, we heard what he said. It
doesn't matter to me. To me and if you were here,
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we've tried to get him on the show. It doesn't
matter to me whether someone hires him or not. That's
up to whoever feels comfortable with spending their money. Mel
Gibson doesn't deserve a movie just because he's Mel Gibson.
As it turned out, some people have hired him, and
he's had minor to middleing roles, so it's up to
the industry, is up to the moneymakers to decide. That's
(21:30):
why I vehemently disagree with Bill Maher. And there's this
and this is what really got me mad. And Bill,
if you're listening, you really really need to change the
people that you're talking to. In this clip, Bill is
speaking to social and cultural commentator fran Lebovitz, who is
a very knowledgeable individual, but even in the clip, doesn't
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really know much about the Puffy p Diddy situation. Why
was he asking her? Number one? She's not a music
industry veteran, And after you realize that she wasn't the
one who'd be knowledgeable about it, why did you keep
going down this road? Here's Bill and frandle Buitz.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I'm been asking this question for seven years, since twenty
seventeen when the me too thing happened. Why why not
the music industry? I mean they went after NPR pretty
bad that show. They got like four or five guys
from NPR, like old guys. Who's like they posted like
a an outrageous limerick on the doorway of the bookshop.
(22:33):
The music industry is this open cesspool of misogyny and
frankly rape and sexual harassment, and somehow they have just
the angel of death has flown over them.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
But why do you think that will? Why is Bill
maher asking her that? Is she like some record industry mobile?
Is she familiar with the ins and outs of the
music industry? I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Why do you come gradually.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I think it's because this is a capitalist country and
the music industry is much more lucrative than NPR.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
No, that is not it. That has nothing to do
with it, zero, completely wrong. More, don't applaud that. Let's
just asking the wrong person and then clapping for the
wrong answer. It's categorically incorrect.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
That would more, you know, I did.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
I mean a lot of the stories about everybody, starting
with me too. I've heard a lot of these stories,
you know, for many years.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You know, so.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Puffius was not exactly a state secret, you know, but
was state secret apparently to them.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, it was not a state secret to anyone. And
let me just boil it down to this. And I know, Twela,
you got to get some of this. The issue was
that the danger was real in the music industry, and
there was a history, a well documented history. That's why
I mentioned r Kelly of people coming forward, not only
being threatened after they came forward, but not believe. There
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was witness tampering, There was jewelry tampering. Kid Cutty had
his car blown up in relation to Cassie and her
allegations against P Diddy. Back in the day, there were
real threats of violence. People were not worried about just
losing their careers. They were worried about losing their lives
or endangering family members. That's why it's different. That's why,
(24:31):
even though it was an open secret, nobody did anything.
And also, you have people. Powerful people are connected to
powerful people. You have Eric Adams, mayor Eric Adams under
indictment given the key of the city to p Diddy
under indictment. Powerful people know powerful people. That's why it
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took another seven years, Bill and Fran.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
A lot of these stories that people are hearing about
are actually not news stories.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
A lot of this has.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Been revealed and discussed about Diddy and several other musicians
and music moguls within the same vein. But to your point,
a lot of these stories went away. A lot of
these individuals were threatened. There are individuals that both you
and I MO know that were threatened to the point
where they had to leave California because their lives were
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threatened just for handing a record over to a DJ
and playing it without the green light of this notorious
record company. It was real. There's a rapper that you
all know and love. He had a song called Ice
Ice Baby. Listen to some of the things that he
said years ago about what was happening to him in
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the music industry, and no one was believing him.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You're talking about they hung out of a window, stuff
like that about the window. Yes, I know that for
a fact, that that's a real story.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
He said that, and no one believe and they thought,
oh whatever, that's just talk.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And that was a dude. Okay, that was a dude.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
So when those things are happening to dudes, and those
things are happening to record executives, you and I both
know a program director who was beaten. We know record
executive off beaten in their offices.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
And I told the story of Steve Stout. It was
in the La Times, So I have no problem talking
about it. Have Steve Stout executive at Interscope Records. When
I was at Interscope Records when P Diddy and his
goons came into the New York office and beat the
crap out of him in his office, hit him in
the head with a telephone, and walked out. They later
arrested him. But my point is the threats and violence
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were real, and so you want a woman who may
have been raped by Diddy allegedly to come forward and
risk her life, her family's lives, and knowing that no
one's gonna believe her because powerful people know powerful people.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Some of the comments that I saw with the last
victim to come forward, I think it was on Friday,
some of the comments that I read in the fee
talking about what happened? How come she didn't come out sooner?
Did you read the graphic nature of what happened to her?
(27:13):
Read that and then talk to me about why she
did not come forward?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You know what? And everything changed after people finally saw
the video of Cassile getting beat by the elevator. You
know what that was in her life. Tuesday, it's Later
with mo Kelly ca if I am six forty. Hey, Bill,
you know, I know you love your show and everything,
but if you want to ask real questions, come see me,
dal Come see me.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
And there was more to be said about that subject.
I started last segment playing some audio from Bill Maher
from his most recent show this week talking about the
Meto movement. Why it took seven years in his estimation,
for the Meto movement to find the music industry something
we have been talking about for quite some time. For
whatever reasons, Bill didn't think that we knew what we
(28:02):
were talking about. It didn't call us or whatever. But
he was asking the wrong people if he actually wanted
a real answer or the right answer to his question.
And no disrespect to fran Libavist, but she has no
connection to the music industry, just not none. But he
felt she was the one to ask because she was
a guest on his show, and I was making the
point in twelve, was making the point. The reason why
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the music industry had escaped the me Too movement in
part was because the music industry was built upon the
pathology of misogyny, from the lyrics and records to the
violence in how the music industry conducted business, from people
walking into radio stations and beating the crap out of
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programmers forcing them to play records, to the payola which
was going on behind the scenes, forcing people to pay records,
to the extortion all of that, and that has nothing
to do with how the women were treated. As far
as videos, I can tell you about Nelly in the video,
you can look it up right now. Who are he's
swiping a credit card through a woman's behind. It wasn't
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done just because it was something they thought it would
be cute for a video. It's something that was done
at parties all the time, paying for lap dances and
other favors.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
You made a phenomenal stellar point during the break regarding
why people did not come forward early with some of
these stories. And when you lay all that out, all
that violence and everything that goes into the music industry,
you hadn't made the comparison to why people did not
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come forward against the mob.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yes, because they would have been killed or their families
would have been killed. And there's something else that people
forget a lot, especially in hip hop, especially hip hop music.
A lot of the record companies, and I'm not going
to call any names, because there's still people a lot
out there who can do stuff. A lot of the
hip hop record companies were directly related to the drug trade.
(30:01):
They were fronts for the drug trade. A lot of
the companies were run by drug lords and they had
violence all around them. The music was a way of
laundering what they were doing in the drug scene. That's
all I can say.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
Yeah, No, there are stories that you can google and
maybe you will believe them now about some of the
illicit trade that happens within rap music. And I note
a lot of time you listen to these songs that
may be on the radio, and you may think it's
just music or it's just entertainment, because several several times
(30:44):
when you get these individuals on the witness stand, they say,
it's just music, that's not really my life. But that's
not true. We're seeing more and more and more within
today's at least within the hip hop community. We are
seeing more and more artists who are bringing that actual,
real violence to their music and to their performance to
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streets everywhere. And it's not a surprise. It's not a
surprise to Mona because we've seen that from day one.
It was fun back in the day being a part
of the music industry that it was thrilling. It was fun,
it was, but you were always on the edge of
your seat. If you've ever had a recording artist coming
to a meeting with a gun talking about why aren't
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you playing their music, you get a very real sense
of how serious and how precarious your life is in
moments like that, when you're thinking to yourself, this individual
actually has a gun, in this music meeting.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I forgot how often that we went to parties and
guns were just around, how drugs were around. The threats
were actually real. When I said my life was threatened
more than once. You know, I laugh about it now
because I should have been smart enough to take it
more seriously back then. But yeah, it was a real thing.
The folence was real. And if you were a woman,
then who number one, No one's gonna believe you. There
(32:02):
was no social media to get your message out, and
the powerful people knew powerful people, so they would head
you off at the past and if that didn't work,
they would bring harm to you or your family. It
wasn't about It wasn't about oh my gosh, they may
ruin my career. No, they may kill you. Yeah, that's
what people were having, like, including the New York Times.
Why is it a me too movement? Is just getting
around to the music industry. No, because people were afraid
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they were going to die. That's why they weren't going
to come forward. And look how was Cassie treated when
she came forward originally, And we knew most of those stories,
everything she said in her lawsuit, it wasn't unknown. The
difference was she was finally ready and felt safe enough
to tell her story, and the change in the law,
the survivor's law, allowed her the opportunity to do that.
(32:49):
And when she told her story and then I'll say,
did he blinked, made that apology and made that I
don't know, seven eight figure payment to Cassie, Then that
kind of opened the floodgates for people to finally to
feel safe enough in numbers to tell their story without
harm coming to them. Because there was such a spotlight
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on Diddy and he's just the first. We keep telling you.
Let's say it again. Okay, we got to get this
on the record again because someone's gonna ask the dumb
ass question, Oh my gosh, is it a me too
moment for the music industry? Yes, yes, and they're gonna
be many more. They're gonna be big names, names that
you've heard of, people you're not heard of. You're gonna
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wonder like this happened to this female artist. Yes, that
female arts So what about Yes her too, not me too,
but her too. And you're gonna start to finally believe
Oh my gosh, Swallen and Mo, they actually predicted this,
not really, not really It's just that we knew where
all this was headed and we were paying attention, and
now some people would just want to get on the
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lake freight and act like they're breaking new ground. It's like, oh,
my goodness, did you realize that the me too movement
had caught up to the music industry. Yeah, we said
that when it was all about TV and movies. We
told you then you knew. Then you did nothing. You
didn't believe us. You didn't believe us. We tried to
tell you, and then people tuned into Bill Maher and
start clapping because he asked me out. Oh my gosh,
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there's been seven years of the me too movement and
they haven't brought in the gone after the music industry.
We've been telling you this for years, and that's the
frustrating part. Because women have been abused. We told you
they were abused. I told you about my time at
the Grammys. I told you what I did there. I
told you how I spoke out. It's not new except
to the people who don't know what the frick they're
talking about, like Bill barr k if I am six forty,
(34:39):
we're live everywhere in the heart radio app. If you
think we've got all the answers. Well, we've got news
for you. Chief. No, seriously, we've got news right now.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
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