April 9, 2025 • 32 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on the impact the impending Trump Tariffs are going to have on everything from the new Nintendo Switch to your favorite sneakers…PLUS – Iconic singer Tracy Chapman is urging fans to support their favorite artist by buying their records instead of streaming their music AND an anonymous testimony is being considered in Diddy trial - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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You can see all the crew, you can see me,
you can see Twala, you can see Mark Ronner and
even Stefan, and also see the studio with the cool
technology we have giving you the simulcast. Let's talk about
these tariffs and the tariff Forgeddon which begins officially. This
is going to be a part of my final thought
remarks tonight. Tariffageddon begins officially at midnight tonight. What do
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you mean, Moe, what do you mean officially? Well, at
midnight there are extra levees which are placed on China
which will equal effectively one hundred and four percent tax
rate on goods from China. One hundred and four percent
starts at midnight tonight. Not even sure whether that's East
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Coast time or West Coast time, so it might be
nine o'clock before the show's over. The trickle down effects
of that is every single good is either going to
be instantly more expensive, or it may not be sold
at all. Here's what I mean. Nintendo switched to. They
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had already started taking pre orders for the gaming console.
It had a four hundred and forty nine dollars US
price tag six point twenty nine in Canada because there
are tariffs already in effect in Canada and it's going
to be going up precipitously everywhere else thanks to the
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other tariffs. Nintendo has now said, given the latest round
of tariffs which are getting ready to take effect, Nintendo
has paused taking orders on the Nintendo Switch to and
they have not said what the price is going to be,
but they did release a statement quote in order to
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assess the potential impact of terrorists and evolving marketing conditions,
we have paused taking all pre orders for the console
in the US. That is probably going to happen widespread
across all companies.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
How do I know, Tulla tell them how I know?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I want you to take it beyond Nintendo for a second,
because we have many listeners who maybe like I don't
play with Nintendo Switch, and I'm not getting my kids
a Nintendo Switch, but you may be planning on taking
your kids to see films this summer, and we may
want our theaters to stay in business and we want
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our summer blockbusters to actually be blockbusters. If China goes
through with this new plan which they are announcing now
that they plan on banning US films in real, banning
across the board US films in response to the tarrors,
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what that does is that literally destroys the rest of
this year's film forget about the summer film release schedule.
We may have studios who say, you know what, we'll
hold off on releasing our film this summer because we
can't afford to take an l based on this.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, it's going to get much worse because think of, oh,
the shoe industry, for example, you have a lot of
companies who produce their shoes in China, and if not
in China, in neighboring Taiwan or Vietnam, and those tarif
rates are forty six percent. So damned if you do,
damned if you don't. If you think that you're gonna
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buy a sneaker in the near future and it's going
to cost the same amount as it did today, you're
deluding yourselves. And also this this is open ended. We
don't know how long this particular tariff war is going
to go on. And in every war, there's collateral damage.
There's collateral damage for consumers, there are there's collateral damage
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for companies, small companies, and providers and suppliers. This is
going to have untold consequences, regardless of how you may
feel about the tariffs, even if you support Donald Trump
one hundred percent in every decision that he makes, there
is Yeah, he said there's going to be short term pain.
I don't think he can make that statement honestly, because
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pain is not going to be evenly distributed, and there
are certain things that you can't come back from. In
other words, let's take Nintendo switch to for example. Let's
say the tariffs go this battle goes on for at
least three four months, you've effectively missed the window of
being able to sell that product, and then if you
do sell that product, you're not going to be able
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to sell it at the original price that you originally
intended to sell.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
What you cannot do is you cannot tell an individual
how to respond after you've taken a swing on them.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
What do you mean I talked.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
About this time and time and time again. Mo, if
you take a swing at somebody, Okay, we were saying,
like the tariffs is taking a swing. The tariffs are
taking a swing. The tariffs are literally just hauling off
and try to hit somebody.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
They started the fight, started the fight.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You cannot respond or you cannot control how the individual
you are swinging on responds. And it's not just one
individual that we are swinging on, it is the globe.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And we know that President Trump has levied this eighty
four percent extra levee which is supposed to take effect
in hours.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
You mentioned shoes just a second ago, and one of
the last figures I saw before we started tonight was
that if you are used to paying one hundred dollars
for say a pair of Nikes, it's going to be
three or four hundred now.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, well, because I'm not paying it, No, that will
be the price.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
No.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Look, I go through your closet, go through your house,
go through everything you go on, look at every single
thing that says made in China, made in Taiwan, and
just add an extra one hundred dollars on top of
whatever it is you call paid for that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Wait, but that's assuming, that's assuming that the punch thrown today,
which lands at midnight, is the last punch thrown in
the fight. The extra eighty four percent in levied tariffs
that the Trump administration has put into effect at midnight
is not necessarily the last blow in the fight. If
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China turns around tomorrow and I can't even say hypothetically,
we'll find out in a few hours and says, okay,
I see your eighty four percent, and I raise you
one hundred and ten percent. Now what which is a
fact you punched us?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
We kick you in the teeth. Yes, because we.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Can't tell China, no, you can't raise your tariffs any higher. No,
they have sovereignty as well. And look out if China says, hey, Taiwan,
Hey Vietnam. We control most of the textile industry in
the United States, between shoes, shirts, apparel, technology, That is it, right?
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Why don't we just go ahead and band together and
put all of our tariffs through the roof on just
the United States, not anyone else, just the United States.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
See how that?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And you may think, well, I'm with the president and
I'm willing to see this through until the end. You
don't know what that is. You don't know what that's
gonna look like. You don't know what that's going to
feel like. And you don't know how their markets are
going to react to that. You don't know what other
countries are going to do to react to it. That's
the uncomfortable truth about this. No one knows where this
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is going, No one knows how long that this is
going to go on, and no one knows how much
collateral damage is going to be had between now and then.
So to say that you know that this is going
to happen on the other side, you're lying because nobody knows.
Because many times a lot of the countries are being
reactionary in the sense of, oh.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Us you're going to do this, well, then we're going
to do that.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
If the United States should pull back their tariffs, then
maybe other countries will pull back their teriffs. If the
United States should add to their terraffs, then maybe other
countries will add to their terrafts.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
In other words, we don't know what's going to happen.
Why because it's a fight.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And if Tawalla swings on me, I may punch, I
may kick, I may pick up a chair. You know,
I may call my friend who's standing behind him, and
someone else jumps in to continue the analogy. It's not
one on one always, and people don't fight fairly economically
or physically. It's Later with mo Kelly can if I
Am six forty life everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and
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mo Kelly.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
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We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app and on YouTube
at mister mo Kelly Fast Card. We all remember that song,
or maybe you've heard it more recently because of Luke Colmes,
who did a remake of it and turned it into
another major hit. And if you love the original, you're
from a different time in music. There's nothing wrong with that.
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That was my time in music, and how we consume
music was different then. Whether we purchased it or how
we purchased it was different then. And I mentioned it
because Tracy Chapman, she doesn't usually give a lot of interviews,
but she gave a recent interview and a rare interview
to the New York Times, and she revealed, among other things,
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that she does not use music streaming services, and in
addition to that, she encouraged people like you and me
to buy physical media.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Buy a CD or vinyl.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
She said, artists get artists get paid when you actually
buy a CD or the vinyl.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's important to me. Close quote. Let's stop right there.
You can't really buy CDs.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Anymore other than on eBay for previously released music collectors' items.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know, you can't go to Walmart and just find anything.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
They may have some they have, but they have all
of the popular things that you would go to Walmart
and Target, Target, especially CDs, vinyl tawala.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know, it's not like you're old enough to know.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It's not like walking into a warehouse or a Sam
Goodie where all music is available.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Maybe the Billboard Hot.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
One hundred, but it's not an extensive music collection. If
I'm looking to buy some music, not likely going to
be found at Walmart. But the larger point is she
is saying, and I agree with her intellectually. Yes, I
am on the side of the artists. If you want
to make sure that the artist gets paid for their artistry,
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you want to make sure that you pay them, and
the direct way to pay them is to buy physical media.
Because we all know that streaming is pities for I
don't know, four million plays. But she's speaking to a
reporter twentieth century print media, twentieth century. I'm just being honest,
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and she's talking about streaming something that she does not
use twenty first century and is trying to say, Hey,
I don't use the twenty first century stuff, but I
want you to support the twentieth century stuff, to support
twenty first century artists. That is not being realistic. I understand,
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and I empathize, but it's not realistic. And she even
goes on to say, quote, I'm maybe going to date
myself now or someone's going to call me a luddite
close quote. Yes, but she goes on, I don't stream music. Yes,
you don't stream music, but the rest of us do.
This show is being simulcast on what YouTube. Yes, you
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can stream music on the iHeartRadio app. People, that's how
they get their podcasts, that's how they get their music,
that's how they get the majority of their entertainment. And
I'm not even talking about television. I'm just talking about
the audio media. It's not going back.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yes, we have vinyl which is available for some artists.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yes, there's a researchence in vinyl, but it's not going
to change the direction of the industry.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I don't know, because I was looking at a story
that Kelvin Anderson was involved in it. It was a
story on Kelvin Downton about VP or Mary VIP and
Long Beach, and he was talking about this resurgence and
interest in CD and vinyl and actually owning the music
versus owning a digital copy, which has brought VIP its
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brand back from you know, the brains and is actually
sparking up this resurgence in quote unquote mom and pop
record shop. There are like at least one hundred in
Los Angeles County alone, new record stores that are popping
up that are selling CDs, vinyls, and even some that
are going back and finding cassettes and things like that
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that they can sell.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
It's part of nostalgia.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Not that cassettes are coming back, but CD and vinyl
it is making such a comeback that now targets one
of their biggest sellers are actual stereos. Stereos that have
record players and CD players in them.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Here's where I would disagree with what you're saying. A
resurgence is not an industry. And the resurgence in the
way that you'll have mom and pop record stores, it's
not the same as when you have the chain store
of the Sam Goodie, the Warehouse Tower Records, you had
them in every major city, and the way that you
still have the individual bookstore still exists.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But b Dalton, Barnes and Noble Crown.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Okay, I get it for you them motherfather's are gone.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I just have to throw mother fathers. Yeah, but listen,
it's not like she's telling people to go out and
buy whale oil. People do collect vinyl, they.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Do, they do, But I don't think it's going to
bring about the intended impact or effect that she wants
when she's talking about artists get paid when you actually
buy a CD or the vinyl. The predominant purchasers of
music and this has never changed. You know, the fifteen
and sixteen year old girl who's also going to go
to the concert. Those are the people who are spending
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their disposable income on the artists, the music and also
going to concerts.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
The utes, the utes, two utes.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yes, I don't know if those kids, and they are
literally kids, are going to spin money on the physical
media when predominantly they're not listening to physical media, and
also they love the streaming services and they're going to
go to the concert. Is a disconnect as far as
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the intended audience, the people who buy the most music,
the people who actually go to the concerts, and the
people who are, you know, buying physical CDs and vinyl.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Well, it's not totally unrelated to movies because people are
starting to realize if you own something digitally, you never
really own it. So people are starting to hord physical
media with movies now too.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I want to use your daughter as an example, twallat
please excuse me. Does she care about physical media because
she's the one who's gonna buy this music?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
She actually does.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
She actually every one of her favorite artists, who Billy Eilish,
Taylor Swift, Tyler, the Creator, Olivia Rodrigo, She has actually
gone to Target and purchased the vinyl. When we go
to Target, she would go in and go straight to
the record section, and sometimes she would go through like
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I used to do when I was a kid, and
she will see a cover of something that just looks at.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Her and say, oh my god, look at this album cover.
This looks, I gotta check.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But when she plays her music at home, how does
she play it?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
She has a record player.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
That's when she plays her Beyonce, her Taylor Swift and everything. Yeah, yeah,
she actually has a record player. Would you say that
she is the exception or the emerging rule?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I say that I think she is the emerging rule,
because again, Target, even though their section may not be
you know, six and seven aisle strong, it is at
least three to four aisle strong of vinyl and CDs,
and Targets are across the country. Walmarts are across the country,
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and even Walmart has a very very robust music section
where they are selling physical music. If Tracy Chapman is
trying to encourage fans and other artists do the same,
this could be that thing that brings back a warehouse,
a Sam Goodie, a tower.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I need to see more because I remember a time
in youttube where people would buy a million albums in
a week.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Oh yeah, okay, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
If this happens, then that could happen.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
If then that, yes, all right, we shall see. We
have a Diddy update. Also in the world of music
or you know crime, if you want to think of
it when you come back. It's Later with mo Kelly
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to see me, see Mark, see Stefans, ce Twala, see
some of the studio. What goes on behind the scenes
is we interact with each other, and for example, we're
going to be more interactive. We were talking last segment
about the resurgence or to what degree physical audio media
has come back into our consciousness. In other words, are
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people going to be willing to buy CDs and vinyl more?
As related to Tracy Chapman's plead to people for people
to buy physical media to support artists, we put up
a poll via the YouTube channel and we asked the question,
do you think CDs and physical music media are making
a comeback? Fifty seven percent Tuala said yes, forty three
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percent said no. So the audience watching right now are
more citing with you saying no.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Tuala knows something he's talking about. People are buying more
physical media. I can dig it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I can only because I'm looking at my daughter, who
was of that age where she is a part of
what is trendy, what is happening, what is now?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
So she wants to own these things as I did
when I was her age. So for her, it's not
just about listening to the music, it's about the whole experience,
about actually opening up the vinyl and actually reading all
those notes and coming to be.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Like, oh did you know about this? Did you know
about that?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I just read that?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Is this person distract I'm like, oh wow, this will
be my only response to that. When you say it's trendy,
that means that it's a trend and it will change.
Whereas you and I grew up on it and we
didn't know any life outside of it, where we had
vinyl LPs, we had thirty threes, forty five, and we
had cassette tapes. That wasn't a trend. That was the
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only way we consume music. I would only say in response,
if it's a trend, all trends come to an end.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
It's a trend back towards normalcy. Oh okay, that's the
difference with this trend. This is not a trim because
this is something that's cool and that's hip. This is
a trend towards normalizing that this is the way you
consume music. She has actually noted how good her vinyl
sounds in comparison to listening to something like on the
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radio or listening to her stream or whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
The facts no comparison, the dynamic range of vinyl blows
away anything these young people have ever heard on any
streaming service. Yes, and I can get into all the
reasons why, but it's just the dynamic range what you
can hear is so much wider.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It's not compressed in an MP three file.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And you know, if you don't put this way, if
you're only used to drinking dirty water, you don't know
what clean water tastes like.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And it's interest because I had to explain to her why,
because she was listening to one of her albums. She
was like, this sounds totally different than the song that
I hear on the radio. I'm like, because you're listening
to that, you're listening to everything that they put into
the record versus it being compressed and digitized and played.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Out over the radio.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Speaking of music or tangentially connected to music, Ditty is
back in the news regarding his criminal trial, and get this,
twelve allege victims of Ditty, besides his former girlfriend Cassie Ventura.
Prosecutors are arguing that they should be allowed to testify
at his upcoming trial under pseudonyms because, according to prosecutors,
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forcing them to reveal their true identities would impose quote
unquote real costs on the victims.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And the public. I agree. I absolutely disagree, because.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
It's the court of law, and if you should be
allowed to confront your accusers in a court of law,
I need to at least be able to know who
they are.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Now maybe they're.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
Known to the prosecutors, but if I can't effectively cross
examine them on the merits of their testimony and their
history and their background, which by the way, may let
everyone know who they are the general public.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I think you're putting Ditty, and I'm not a fan
of Didty. I think you're putting his case at a
distinct disadvantage.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I read this.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
As the names have been changed to protect the identity
of the victims, but the victims themselves will testify. It's
just that we are not going to call them, say Cassie,
you will be Jane, you will be Joe. Because of
the fact that there is alleged retaliatory comments that are
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already being made, their retaliatory reports that are coming out
saying that, you know, go and get this person, go
and get that person, shut this person up. This person's
got to go. These are the things that are being
alleged and rumored as far as what has already been
happening for those who have come forward, who have who
have revealed who they.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Are, here's here's the answer to that, And here's the
solution of that. You don't open the proceedings to the public,
because there's still going to be a part of the
court RECORDI assume there's still going to be a part
of you know, the court transcript. Because whether we see
the person's name or not, did he knows who they are.
Diddy's defense team knows that it's Cassi Ventur and five
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other people that you know who've obviously submitted statements, so
his team and his people will already know who these
people are. I don't think that changes their testimony. I
don't think that further protects them. I understand by not
revealing their names to the public what that might do,
because you have crazy ass fans out there of Diddy
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who want to support him, who think that they can
protect him, who want to involve themselves with them and
go after the people who are testifying against Ditty.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I agree with them there.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I wonder if this impugnes the integrity of the process.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Itself, so then all the proceedings should be close court
to make sure that you can speak freely. We're not
involved in it, right, I'm not a victim. You're not
a victim where I need you to know what's happening.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Right, It's not without precedent, and especially in New York.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
We learned from the Trump trial.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
In New York, you don't have a constitutional right for
the State of New York to have cameras in the
courtroom or media in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So you don't have to do that. Now.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
It's a public interest because we're talking about Ditty. I
don't know, maybe five half a billion dollars or so.
So I understand why we are interested, but I don't
know if the public interest is such that there's a
necessity for us to be part of it and also
involve ourselves.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yes, I would like to protect the people who would be.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Testifying against Ditty, but I don't want something to be
a pe later where you somehow sacrifice, you know, you
make it easier for Dinny to get off, especially we
only get one by to disapple.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Sure that? Sure that, Mark Ronerd.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Let me just ask you very quickly about a case
like this. You were, you had a cop beat, you
were covering a lot of stories like these. Is there
a line somewhere as far as the public interest in
as far as finding out who is testifying or what
have you?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Well?
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I think times are changing and the lines moving because
people are a lot more prone to violence and intimidation now, uh,
and we hadn't seen quite as much of that before.
I don't know what you attributed to. I mean, you
could guess, you could conjecture, but I think people are
much more likely to be harassed and threatened now than
they ever were before, and we're seeing that all across
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our culture, politicians, you name it.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yep. We have more on this when we come back.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
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KFI mo Kelly YouTube livestream, video simulcasts and live everywhere
in the iHeartRadio app. And before the break, we were
talking about Ditty and how prosecutors are arguing that they
want accusers plural to testify anonymously under pseudonyms in court,
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and whereas I am not on the side of Ditty
at all, I wonder about the unintended consequences of having
these individuals testify under pseudonyms and whether that impacts whether
they can be effectively cross examined. The judge has not
rendered a decision yet, but I would not want the
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prosecution to do anything which could be used against them
on appeal. And and I'm not aw I'm just saying
it seems like there might be some daylight here which
could leave the prosecution open for not only scrutiny, but also,
you know, be effectively appealed, and you don't get multiple
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bites at this. And I put the question to Mark
about whether where the line is, if there's a line
between the publics need to know and our desire to know,
and whether we need to be as the general public
involved in this case in any way. And I put
the question to Mark because he had worked at a
crime beat reporter, has been in the court rooms, has
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followed cases which have been involved high profile individuals, and
you can argue OJ Simpson got off in part because
of the cameras in the courtroom, because of his celebrity.
You can argue that Michael Jackson got off because of
the public interests and how that unintentionally or maybe in
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intentionally impacted public perception and also influenced the jury. I
can see both sides of this, but I wonder whether
we have overestimated the need for the public to be involved,
and also does this before I go back to Mark,
the danger confronting would be accusers is absolutely real.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
If you know anything about the case.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
We're talking about P Diddy being accused of blowing up
people's cars orchestrating beatings, orchestrating obviously multiple instances of sexual assault, drugging,
violet rape.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
The implications are real.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
But at the same time, I'm just talking about within
the confines of also effectively prosecuting him.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Mark, you were saying, well, we seem to have a
weird idea of what the public's entitled to see. Not
everything that satisfies your lurid curiosity is something you should
have the right to look at, and it's up to
a prosecutor to determine who's at risk, and you know,
if the costs out weigh the benefits. But there are
things like the Supreme Court that we have every right
(29:09):
in the world to be seeing, but they don't allow cameras.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, at most we'll get and that was only because
of COVID. We will now get an audio feed to
actually hear an argument before the Supreme Court. That was revolutionary.
During COVID, it had never been done. But even then,
that's as far as the Supreme Court is going to.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Go, right, But it puts nobody at risk for the
public to see the Supreme Court debating and going through
their business. But it could put somebody at risk when
you have accusers in a violent crime.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I'm not against it. I just want to be sure
that they get it right so if and when Diddy
is found guilty, this won't be used against them as
an effective means of appeal.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
That's all. Yeah, that's a whole nother layer right there.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
And I also think about this as a former child
protective Services worker. There are all sorts of vulnerable people.
I mean, imagine, you know, having a child on camera
in something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Wait, that's another job. He didn't know you had child. No.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Oh, what people don't know is we'll talk to Mark,
We'll have these conversations, and another bone will fly out
of his closet. And I was like, yeah, he was
recruited by the CIA. Yeah, he had like five degrees.
He was on his way to get doctorate. And it's
always something news, like you learned something, and he says
it so cavalierly.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
I don't realize you didn't know that. Yeah, for a
little less than a year between degrees.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I worked first. Between degrees.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Well, I mean, you know, you finished your degree or
your second one or whatever. You wonder what you're going
to do, and then you got to pay the bills,
and so I don't know what you're thinking is but
I always kind of want to do things that I
think are worthwhile, and this was literally fighting bad guys.
My job was to go out on overnight cases of
child abuse and neglect with the cops, and of course
(30:57):
the cops who were armed always made me go through
the door first. But that's the story of that very briefly.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
So actually it's fair to say then that this particular
criminal case speaks to you in a different way than
the general public.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I think so, because you always want to be cognizant
of who could be harmed by what you're doing. You know,
look at the greater good t.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I think we're going to find out a lot of
stuff that we didn't want to find out about Diddy,
his parties, his practices, and he's not the only one.
I keep trying to tell people he's not the only one.
And that's why a lot of people are remaining silent.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I think the public may be the ones that are
in store to learn a lot of what we also
already know.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Eller It's later with Mo Kelly. We're live everywhere on
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technology we have giving you the simulcast. Let's talk about
these tariffs and the tariff Forgeddon which begins officially. This
is going to be a part of my final thought
remarks tonight. Tariffageddon begins officially at midnight tonight. What do
(00:40):
you mean, Moe, what do you mean officially? Well, at
midnight there are extra levees which are placed on China
which will equal effectively one hundred and four percent tax
rate on goods from China. One hundred and four percent
starts at midnight tonight. Not even sure whether that's East
(01:01):
Coast time or West Coast time, so it might be
nine o'clock before the show's over. The trickle down effects
of that is every single good is either going to
be instantly more expensive, or it may not be sold
at all. Here's what I mean. Nintendo switched to. They
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had already started taking pre orders for the gaming console.
It had a four hundred and forty nine dollars US
price tag six point twenty nine in Canada because there
are tariffs already in effect in Canada and it's going
to be going up precipitously everywhere else thanks to the
(01:43):
other tariffs. Nintendo has now said, given the latest round
of tariffs which are getting ready to take effect, Nintendo
has paused taking orders on the Nintendo Switch to and
they have not said what the price is going to be,
but they did release a statement quote in order to
(02:05):
assess the potential impact of terrorists and evolving marketing conditions,
we have paused taking all pre orders for the console
in the US. That is probably going to happen widespread
across all companies.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
How do I know, Tulla tell them how I know?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I want you to take it beyond Nintendo for a second,
because we have many listeners who maybe like I don't
play with Nintendo Switch, and I'm not getting my kids
a Nintendo Switch, but you may be planning on taking
your kids to see films this summer, and we may
want our theaters to stay in business and we want
(02:46):
our summer blockbusters to actually be blockbusters. If China goes
through with this new plan which they are announcing now
that they plan on banning US films in real, banning
across the board US films in response to the tarrors,
(03:07):
what that does is that literally destroys the rest of
this year's film forget about the summer film release schedule.
We may have studios who say, you know what, we'll
hold off on releasing our film this summer because we
can't afford to take an l based on this.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, it's going to get much worse because think of, oh,
the shoe industry, for example, you have a lot of
companies who produce their shoes in China, and if not
in China, in neighboring Taiwan or Vietnam, and those tarif
rates are forty six percent. So damned if you do,
damned if you don't. If you think that you're gonna
(03:49):
buy a sneaker in the near future and it's going
to cost the same amount as it did today, you're
deluding yourselves. And also this this is open ended. We
don't know how long this particular tariff war is going
to go on. And in every war, there's collateral damage.
There's collateral damage for consumers, there are there's collateral damage
(04:09):
for companies, small companies, and providers and suppliers. This is
going to have untold consequences, regardless of how you may
feel about the tariffs, even if you support Donald Trump
one hundred percent in every decision that he makes, there
is Yeah, he said there's going to be short term pain.
I don't think he can make that statement honestly, because
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pain is not going to be evenly distributed, and there
are certain things that you can't come back from. In
other words, let's take Nintendo switch to for example. Let's
say the tariffs go this battle goes on for at
least three four months, you've effectively missed the window of
being able to sell that product, and then if you
do sell that product, you're not going to be able
(04:53):
to sell it at the original price that you originally
intended to sell.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
What you cannot do is you cannot tell an individual
how to respond after you've taken a swing on them.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
What do you mean I talked.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
About this time and time and time again. Mo, if
you take a swing at somebody, Okay, we were saying,
like the tariffs is taking a swing. The tariffs are
taking a swing. The tariffs are literally just hauling off
and try to hit somebody.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
They started the fight, started the fight.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You cannot respond or you cannot control how the individual
you are swinging on responds. And it's not just one
individual that we are swinging on, it is the globe.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And we know that President Trump has levied this eighty
four percent extra levee which is supposed to take effect
in hours.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
You mentioned shoes just a second ago, and one of
the last figures I saw before we started tonight was
that if you are used to paying one hundred dollars
for say a pair of Nikes, it's going to be
three or four hundred now.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, well, because I'm not paying it, No, that will
be the price.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
No.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Look, I go through your closet, go through your house,
go through everything you go on, look at every single
thing that says made in China, made in Taiwan, and
just add an extra one hundred dollars on top of
whatever it is you call paid for that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Wait, but that's assuming, that's assuming that the punch thrown today,
which lands at midnight, is the last punch thrown in
the fight. The extra eighty four percent in levied tariffs
that the Trump administration has put into effect at midnight
is not necessarily the last blow in the fight. If
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China turns around tomorrow and I can't even say hypothetically,
we'll find out in a few hours and says, okay,
I see your eighty four percent, and I raise you
one hundred and ten percent. Now what which is a
fact you punched us?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
We kick you in the teeth. Yes, because we.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Can't tell China, no, you can't raise your tariffs any higher. No,
they have sovereignty as well. And look out if China says, hey, Taiwan,
Hey Vietnam. We control most of the textile industry in
the United States, between shoes, shirts, apparel, technology, That is it, right?
(07:29):
Why don't we just go ahead and band together and
put all of our tariffs through the roof on just
the United States, not anyone else, just the United States.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
See how that?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And you may think, well, I'm with the president and
I'm willing to see this through until the end. You
don't know what that is. You don't know what that's
gonna look like. You don't know what that's going to
feel like. And you don't know how their markets are
going to react to that. You don't know what other
countries are going to do to react to it. That's
the uncomfortable truth about this. No one knows where this
(08:01):
is going, No one knows how long that this is
going to go on, and no one knows how much
collateral damage is going to be had between now and then.
So to say that you know that this is going
to happen on the other side, you're lying because nobody knows.
Because many times a lot of the countries are being
reactionary in the sense of, oh.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Us you're going to do this, well, then we're going
to do that.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
If the United States should pull back their tariffs, then
maybe other countries will pull back their teriffs. If the
United States should add to their terraffs, then maybe other
countries will add to their terrafts.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
In other words, we don't know what's going to happen.
Why because it's a fight.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And if Tawalla swings on me, I may punch, I
may kick, I may pick up a chair. You know,
I may call my friend who's standing behind him, and
someone else jumps in to continue the analogy. It's not
one on one always, and people don't fight fairly economically
or physically. It's Later with mo Kelly can if I
Am six forty life everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and
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mo Kelly.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
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Speaker 3 (09:09):
We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app and on YouTube
at mister mo Kelly Fast Card. We all remember that song,
or maybe you've heard it more recently because of Luke Colmes,
who did a remake of it and turned it into
another major hit. And if you love the original, you're
from a different time in music. There's nothing wrong with that.
(09:32):
That was my time in music, and how we consume
music was different then. Whether we purchased it or how
we purchased it was different then. And I mentioned it
because Tracy Chapman, she doesn't usually give a lot of interviews,
but she gave a recent interview and a rare interview
to the New York Times, and she revealed, among other things,
(09:52):
that she does not use music streaming services, and in
addition to that, she encouraged people like you and me
to buy physical media.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Buy a CD or vinyl.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
She said, artists get artists get paid when you actually
buy a CD or the vinyl.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's important to me. Close quote. Let's stop right there.
You can't really buy CDs.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Anymore other than on eBay for previously released music collectors' items.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know, you can't go to Walmart and just find anything.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
They may have some they have, but they have all
of the popular things that you would go to Walmart
and Target, Target, especially CDs, vinyl tawala.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know, it's not like you're old enough to know.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It's not like walking into a warehouse or a Sam
Goodie where all music is available.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Maybe the Billboard Hot.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
One hundred, but it's not an extensive music collection. If
I'm looking to buy some music, not likely going to
be found at Walmart. But the larger point is she
is saying, and I agree with her intellectually. Yes, I
am on the side of the artists. If you want
to make sure that the artist gets paid for their artistry,
(11:09):
you want to make sure that you pay them, and
the direct way to pay them is to buy physical media.
Because we all know that streaming is pities for I
don't know, four million plays. But she's speaking to a
reporter twentieth century print media, twentieth century. I'm just being honest,
(11:31):
and she's talking about streaming something that she does not
use twenty first century and is trying to say, Hey,
I don't use the twenty first century stuff, but I
want you to support the twentieth century stuff, to support
twenty first century artists. That is not being realistic. I understand,
(11:55):
and I empathize, but it's not realistic. And she even
goes on to say, quote, I'm maybe going to date
myself now or someone's going to call me a luddite
close quote. Yes, but she goes on, I don't stream music. Yes,
you don't stream music, but the rest of us do.
This show is being simulcast on what YouTube. Yes, you
(12:17):
can stream music on the iHeartRadio app. People, that's how
they get their podcasts, that's how they get their music,
that's how they get the majority of their entertainment. And
I'm not even talking about television. I'm just talking about
the audio media. It's not going back.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yes, we have vinyl which is available for some artists.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yes, there's a researchence in vinyl, but it's not going
to change the direction of the industry.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I don't know, because I was looking at a story
that Kelvin Anderson was involved in it. It was a
story on Kelvin Downton about VP or Mary VIP and
Long Beach, and he was talking about this resurgence and
interest in CD and vinyl and actually owning the music
versus owning a digital copy, which has brought VIP its
(13:07):
brand back from you know, the brains and is actually
sparking up this resurgence in quote unquote mom and pop
record shop. There are like at least one hundred in
Los Angeles County alone, new record stores that are popping
up that are selling CDs, vinyls, and even some that
are going back and finding cassettes and things like that
(13:30):
that they can sell.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
It's part of nostalgia.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Not that cassettes are coming back, but CD and vinyl
it is making such a comeback that now targets one
of their biggest sellers are actual stereos. Stereos that have
record players and CD players in them.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Here's where I would disagree with what you're saying. A
resurgence is not an industry. And the resurgence in the
way that you'll have mom and pop record stores, it's
not the same as when you have the chain store
of the Sam Goodie, the Warehouse Tower Records, you had
them in every major city, and the way that you
still have the individual bookstore still exists.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But b Dalton, Barnes and Noble Crown.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Okay, I get it for you them motherfather's are gone.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I just have to throw mother fathers. Yeah, but listen,
it's not like she's telling people to go out and
buy whale oil. People do collect vinyl, they.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Do, they do, But I don't think it's going to
bring about the intended impact or effect that she wants
when she's talking about artists get paid when you actually
buy a CD or the vinyl. The predominant purchasers of
music and this has never changed. You know, the fifteen
and sixteen year old girl who's also going to go
to the concert. Those are the people who are spending
(14:47):
their disposable income on the artists, the music and also
going to concerts.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
The utes, the utes, two utes.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yes, I don't know if those kids, and they are
literally kids, are going to spin money on the physical
media when predominantly they're not listening to physical media, and
also they love the streaming services and they're going to
go to the concert. Is a disconnect as far as
(15:16):
the intended audience, the people who buy the most music,
the people who actually go to the concerts, and the
people who are, you know, buying physical CDs and vinyl.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Well, it's not totally unrelated to movies because people are
starting to realize if you own something digitally, you never
really own it. So people are starting to hord physical
media with movies now too.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I want to use your daughter as an example, twallat
please excuse me. Does she care about physical media because
she's the one who's gonna buy this music?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
She actually does.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
She actually every one of her favorite artists, who Billy Eilish,
Taylor Swift, Tyler, the Creator, Olivia Rodrigo, She has actually
gone to Target and purchased the vinyl. When we go
to Target, she would go in and go straight to
the record section, and sometimes she would go through like
(16:06):
I used to do when I was a kid, and
she will see a cover of something that just looks at.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Her and say, oh my god, look at this album cover.
This looks, I gotta check.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But when she plays her music at home, how does
she play it?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
She has a record player.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
That's when she plays her Beyonce, her Taylor Swift and everything. Yeah, yeah,
she actually has a record player. Would you say that
she is the exception or the emerging rule?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I say that I think she is the emerging rule,
because again, Target, even though their section may not be
you know, six and seven aisle strong, it is at
least three to four aisle strong of vinyl and CDs,
and Targets are across the country. Walmarts are across the country,
(16:49):
and even Walmart has a very very robust music section
where they are selling physical music. If Tracy Chapman is
trying to encourage fans and other artists do the same,
this could be that thing that brings back a warehouse,
a Sam Goodie, a tower.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I need to see more because I remember a time
in youttube where people would buy a million albums in
a week.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Oh yeah, okay, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
If this happens, then that could happen.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
If then that, yes, all right, we shall see. We
have a Diddy update. Also in the world of music
or you know crime, if you want to think of
it when you come back. It's Later with mo Kelly
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Got an influx of new subscribers watching the video live
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will see the live link there. We're going to be
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(18:05):
to see me, see Mark, see Stefans, ce Twala, see
some of the studio. What goes on behind the scenes
is we interact with each other, and for example, we're
going to be more interactive. We were talking last segment
about the resurgence or to what degree physical audio media
has come back into our consciousness. In other words, are
(18:28):
people going to be willing to buy CDs and vinyl more?
As related to Tracy Chapman's plead to people for people
to buy physical media to support artists, we put up
a poll via the YouTube channel and we asked the question,
do you think CDs and physical music media are making
a comeback? Fifty seven percent Tuala said yes, forty three
(18:52):
percent said no. So the audience watching right now are
more citing with you saying no.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Tuala knows something he's talking about. People are buying more
physical media. I can dig it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I can only because I'm looking at my daughter, who
was of that age where she is a part of
what is trendy, what is happening, what is now?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
So she wants to own these things as I did
when I was her age. So for her, it's not
just about listening to the music, it's about the whole experience,
about actually opening up the vinyl and actually reading all
those notes and coming to be.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Like, oh did you know about this? Did you know
about that?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I just read that?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Is this person distract I'm like, oh wow, this will
be my only response to that. When you say it's trendy,
that means that it's a trend and it will change.
Whereas you and I grew up on it and we
didn't know any life outside of it, where we had
vinyl LPs, we had thirty threes, forty five, and we
had cassette tapes. That wasn't a trend. That was the
(19:55):
only way we consume music. I would only say in response,
if it's a trend, all trends come to an end.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
It's a trend back towards normalcy. Oh okay, that's the
difference with this trend. This is not a trim because
this is something that's cool and that's hip. This is
a trend towards normalizing that this is the way you
consume music. She has actually noted how good her vinyl
sounds in comparison to listening to something like on the
(20:22):
radio or listening to her stream or whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
The facts no comparison, the dynamic range of vinyl blows
away anything these young people have ever heard on any
streaming service. Yes, and I can get into all the
reasons why, but it's just the dynamic range what you
can hear is so much wider.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It's not compressed in an MP three file.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And you know, if you don't put this way, if
you're only used to drinking dirty water, you don't know
what clean water tastes like.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And it's interest because I had to explain to her why,
because she was listening to one of her albums. She
was like, this sounds totally different than the song that
I hear on the radio. I'm like, because you're listening
to that, you're listening to everything that they put into
the record versus it being compressed and digitized and played.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Out over the radio.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Speaking of music or tangentially connected to music, Ditty is
back in the news regarding his criminal trial, and get this,
twelve allege victims of Ditty, besides his former girlfriend Cassie Ventura.
Prosecutors are arguing that they should be allowed to testify
at his upcoming trial under pseudonyms because, according to prosecutors,
(21:33):
forcing them to reveal their true identities would impose quote
unquote real costs on the victims.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And the public. I agree. I absolutely disagree, because.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
It's the court of law, and if you should be
allowed to confront your accusers in a court of law,
I need to at least be able to know who
they are.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Now maybe they're.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
Known to the prosecutors, but if I can't effectively cross
examine them on the merits of their testimony and their
history and their background, which by the way, may let
everyone know who they are the general public.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I think you're putting Ditty, and I'm not a fan
of Didty. I think you're putting his case at a
distinct disadvantage.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I read this.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
As the names have been changed to protect the identity
of the victims, but the victims themselves will testify. It's
just that we are not going to call them, say Cassie,
you will be Jane, you will be Joe. Because of
the fact that there is alleged retaliatory comments that are
(22:43):
already being made, their retaliatory reports that are coming out
saying that, you know, go and get this person, go
and get that person, shut this person up. This person's
got to go. These are the things that are being
alleged and rumored as far as what has already been
happening for those who have come forward, who have who
have revealed who they.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Are, here's here's the answer to that, And here's the
solution of that. You don't open the proceedings to the public,
because there's still going to be a part of the
court RECORDI assume there's still going to be a part
of you know, the court transcript. Because whether we see
the person's name or not, did he knows who they are.
Diddy's defense team knows that it's Cassi Ventur and five
(23:26):
other people that you know who've obviously submitted statements, so
his team and his people will already know who these
people are. I don't think that changes their testimony. I
don't think that further protects them. I understand by not
revealing their names to the public what that might do,
because you have crazy ass fans out there of Diddy
(23:48):
who want to support him, who think that they can
protect him, who want to involve themselves with them and
go after the people who are testifying against Ditty.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I agree with them there.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I wonder if this impugnes the integrity of the process.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Itself, so then all the proceedings should be close court
to make sure that you can speak freely. We're not
involved in it, right, I'm not a victim. You're not
a victim where I need you to know what's happening.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Right, It's not without precedent, and especially in New York.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
We learned from the Trump trial.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
In New York, you don't have a constitutional right for
the State of New York to have cameras in the
courtroom or media in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So you don't have to do that. Now.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
It's a public interest because we're talking about Ditty. I
don't know, maybe five half a billion dollars or so.
So I understand why we are interested, but I don't
know if the public interest is such that there's a
necessity for us to be part of it and also
involve ourselves.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yes, I would like to protect the people who would be.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Testifying against Ditty, but I don't want something to be
a pe later where you somehow sacrifice, you know, you
make it easier for Dinny to get off, especially we
only get one by to disapple.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Sure that? Sure that, Mark Ronerd.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Let me just ask you very quickly about a case
like this. You were, you had a cop beat, you
were covering a lot of stories like these. Is there
a line somewhere as far as the public interest in
as far as finding out who is testifying or what
have you?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Well?
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I think times are changing and the lines moving because
people are a lot more prone to violence and intimidation now, uh,
and we hadn't seen quite as much of that before.
I don't know what you attributed to. I mean, you
could guess, you could conjecture, but I think people are
much more likely to be harassed and threatened now than
they ever were before, and we're seeing that all across
(25:49):
our culture, politicians, you name it.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yep. We have more on this when we come back.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
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KFI mo Kelly YouTube livestream, video simulcasts and live everywhere
in the iHeartRadio app. And before the break, we were
talking about Ditty and how prosecutors are arguing that they
want accusers plural to testify anonymously under pseudonyms in court,
(26:32):
and whereas I am not on the side of Ditty
at all, I wonder about the unintended consequences of having
these individuals testify under pseudonyms and whether that impacts whether
they can be effectively cross examined. The judge has not
rendered a decision yet, but I would not want the
(26:54):
prosecution to do anything which could be used against them
on appeal. And and I'm not aw I'm just saying
it seems like there might be some daylight here which
could leave the prosecution open for not only scrutiny, but also,
you know, be effectively appealed, and you don't get multiple
(27:14):
bites at this. And I put the question to Mark
about whether where the line is, if there's a line
between the publics need to know and our desire to know,
and whether we need to be as the general public
involved in this case in any way. And I put
the question to Mark because he had worked at a
crime beat reporter, has been in the court rooms, has
(27:37):
followed cases which have been involved high profile individuals, and
you can argue OJ Simpson got off in part because
of the cameras in the courtroom, because of his celebrity.
You can argue that Michael Jackson got off because of
the public interests and how that unintentionally or maybe in
(28:00):
intentionally impacted public perception and also influenced the jury. I
can see both sides of this, but I wonder whether
we have overestimated the need for the public to be involved,
and also does this before I go back to Mark,
the danger confronting would be accusers is absolutely real.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
If you know anything about the case.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
We're talking about P Diddy being accused of blowing up
people's cars orchestrating beatings, orchestrating obviously multiple instances of sexual assault, drugging,
violet rape.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
The implications are real.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
But at the same time, I'm just talking about within
the confines of also effectively prosecuting him.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Mark, you were saying, well, we seem to have a
weird idea of what the public's entitled to see. Not
everything that satisfies your lurid curiosity is something you should
have the right to look at, and it's up to
a prosecutor to determine who's at risk, and you know,
if the costs out weigh the benefits. But there are
things like the Supreme Court that we have every right
(29:09):
in the world to be seeing, but they don't allow cameras.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, at most we'll get and that was only because
of COVID. We will now get an audio feed to
actually hear an argument before the Supreme Court. That was revolutionary.
During COVID, it had never been done. But even then,
that's as far as the Supreme Court is going to.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Go, right, But it puts nobody at risk for the
public to see the Supreme Court debating and going through
their business. But it could put somebody at risk when
you have accusers in a violent crime.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I'm not against it. I just want to be sure
that they get it right so if and when Diddy
is found guilty, this won't be used against them as
an effective means of appeal.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
That's all. Yeah, that's a whole nother layer right there.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
And I also think about this as a former child
protective Services worker. There are all sorts of vulnerable people.
I mean, imagine, you know, having a child on camera
in something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Wait, that's another job. He didn't know you had child. No.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Oh, what people don't know is we'll talk to Mark,
We'll have these conversations, and another bone will fly out
of his closet. And I was like, yeah, he was
recruited by the CIA. Yeah, he had like five degrees.
He was on his way to get doctorate. And it's
always something news, like you learned something, and he says
it so cavalierly.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
I don't realize you didn't know that. Yeah, for a
little less than a year between degrees.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I worked first. Between degrees.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Well, I mean, you know, you finished your degree or
your second one or whatever. You wonder what you're going
to do, and then you got to pay the bills,
and so I don't know what you're thinking is but
I always kind of want to do things that I
think are worthwhile, and this was literally fighting bad guys.
My job was to go out on overnight cases of
child abuse and neglect with the cops, and of course
(30:57):
the cops who were armed always made me go through
the door first. But that's the story of that very briefly.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
So actually it's fair to say then that this particular
criminal case speaks to you in a different way than
the general public.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I think so, because you always want to be cognizant
of who could be harmed by what you're doing. You know,
look at the greater good t.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I think we're going to find out a lot of
stuff that we didn't want to find out about Diddy,
his parties, his practices, and he's not the only one.
I keep trying to tell people he's not the only one.
And that's why a lot of people are remaining silent.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I think the public may be the ones that are
in store to learn a lot of what we also
already know.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
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