August 27, 2025 • 30 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Chris Merrill filling in ‘Later, for Mo’Kelly’ with thoughts on the announcement of Taylor Swift’s engagement to Travis Kelce AND Gen-Z’s annoying penchant for making up new words for no reason at all…PLUS – A Disney Imagineer has partnered City of Hope to create an “immersive spiritual healing space” - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Chris Marrol AM six forty. More stimulating talk in from
o Kelly. Listen anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
There is no business like show business. Today it cost
me a grave injury. My wife has planned this Labor
day hike for us. It's not difficult, it's not a
(00:27):
real challenging hike, but it's five miles and she says,
we're gonna do this. We're gonna do this together. This
would be great. We're gonna walk across the mackinaw Bridge.
Very excited about this. I've always wanted to do this.
I grew up in Michigan and I've always wanted to
do this. My wife says, let's do it for Labor Day.
So we're taking some time off, We're going up there,
(00:47):
and I'm very excited about it. Today I heard news
that made me leap out of my seat and scream
like a seven year old girl through my office today.
And as I was prancing through the office, I pulled
a muscle in my calf and I am literally doing
the show with an ice pack on my It's all
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taped down. I alojusted while we're speaking, ice pack on there,
because this bonehead tore a muscle in his leg and
now I can barely walk.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Ouch.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I mean I would be in more pain if
I weren't laughing at myself.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I thought you're kidding earlier. No, I'm not really so
you're wow.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Ice packs keep leaking, so I've got like ice juice
all over me too.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yes, I can't say I really like that. Nope, I am.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I'm all iced up. I was hobbling around work today.
Hang on, I'm gonna put it back on. Its getting
the whatever that is? You know that gel that's in
the ice packs. It's like leaking now gross Wait, no,
I did it's I'm calling it a football injury because
I got it when I found out Travis Kelcey and
Taylor Swift are now engaged.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Settle down, you don't need to tear the other one.
I'm just so excited.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
If you've ever seen the Drew Barrymore Show, which incidentally
is on in my office every day, I don't know why,
but we're just fascinated by watching Drew Barrymore. Basically, every
time she introduced a guest that's what I looked like today.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I just went.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And I pranced around the office and I was jumping
up and down, and the zoomers that I work with
were like, Okay, chills, that's for us. I can't believe
you're that's excited about it. And I was more mocking them,
But honestly, I'm really happy for this couple.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I'm happy for Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I'm kind of tired of everybody bagging on her for
being in relationships and then breaking up. Like girls in
a relationship and broke up. What's the problem. Of course,
she can't hang on to a man. Okay, hate that crap,
but anyway, so I'm excited for him. Plus, I'm a
football fan who loves to see other football fans get
their pay wid because she's on the TV when they're
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trying to watch their game.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Who cares? And people get worked up over the dumbest stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Anyway, they are engaged, and I was not the only
one that was excited because the anchor at ABC News
Live had to break the news too.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Where's my audio? Here we go.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey have announced that they are engaged.
The Grammy winning mega pop star and Kansas City chiefs
all Pro tight End announced the news on Instagram just
moments ago. Cheers erupted in this studio. When they did so,
they posted.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
When are how many people at ABC News live toward
their calf muscles? Probably a few of them.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
When you think this guy's really saying that the news
with the gravity and urgency of like a major ceasefire
or something, I'm so confused by this.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
I mean, like his read on it is like this
is literally earth shadowing piece in the Middle East news.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
No, not piece out of the news, out of the
Middle East. Forty seven children died as a hospital is
bombed in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
That's what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
The Grammy winning mega pop star and Kansas City chiefs
all Pro tight End announced the news on Instagram just
moments ago.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Ye addressing the public.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, addressing the public net Yah who says it was
a grave error.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
He's so ominous. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Cheers erupted in this studio when they did so, they posted.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
He's not forced to do this. He's got that newsman
cadence too, doesn't he.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I'm going to randomly enunciate words in the middle of
this phrase.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
These images that you see on your screen.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Oh, I love that we're going live to images. Wow,
Kelsey down on one knee.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
The caption reads, quote, your English teacher and your gym
teacher are getting married.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Okay, so that's how they announced it.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I could not think of a better description, because honestly,
this is gonna sound really disparaging, and I don't mean
for it to be all that disparaging, more of just
an honest observation. Travis Kelsey strikes me as the kind
of guy I'd love to hang out with when I
want to go hang out with somebody at a bar, Like,
he's the guy I want to.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Just chill out with.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I don't want to think he's a meathead, he's a jock.
He's the gym teacher. He's not the science teacher. Right,
He's not that guy, but the good he's the fun
guy to have in the group.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But also, I don't think that we're gonna talk about
world issues. I think that Taylor Swift is a marketing genius,
a hell of a performer, and she is kind of
like the I mean, she's like the English, like the
school arm the writer, the author who's hooking up with
the gym teacher. I'm totally okay with it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I'm so happy to see them together.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
That clip you played made me wonder how Walter Cronkite
would have delivered that news or or Edward R.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Murrow.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Don't you think that Kronkite had to do some things
with celebrities back in the day, Richard Taylor splitting up?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Do you think that went home? You don't think so.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I was a bit young at the time. In fact,
I don't even know if I was watching news while
he was still doing it. But I can't imagine Edward R.
Murrow reporting on a celebrity marriage like that.
Speaker 8 (06:25):
I would pay to see Howard Cosell report on that
coach sell right, Oh.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Nothing was beneath Cosell? Come on, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Oh? It would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You started that run he wore and the Hall of
Fame up? Yeah, what the Greatest Star has a saint?
He wasn't too good for that, but the others were.
I just imagine Murrow doing it in a studio filled
with his cigarette smoke, trying to be very serious about
it as well. Now, celebrity news. Celebrity gossip has been
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news for a long time. I bet, I bet they
had to do it.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
I mean possibly, But then I think, right now we're
in a in an era where because we see every
single thing and we don't have to pay attention to
celebrity news like this. Like before they reported it, everyone
already saw it on social media, right, so it's not
like true seeing him do it, And I'm sure he
was probably like, why do I have to do this?
(07:23):
No one else is here, everyone else is running around
the office. You got to do it? And he read
it like Okay, look I'm going to read it, but
I'm gonna show you how much I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And the way it came newsworthy. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
I wonder if this is how mortified people feel in
the UK when their news people have to report on
every little thing that the Royals do.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Kate Middleton making her first public appearance since announcing she
has cancer Kated sorry, Kate middle Ten making her first
public appearents since she had cancer.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
A lot of Cockney News announcer UK got it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Michael Kachelcaine, Babby say yes, yeah, what it is?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It was just.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
A I like the dueling Michael Kanes from the Trip movies.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, I could do it.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, sure, Well there's other Forget the prim and proper
BBC announcers. I like the Michael Kain announcers. That's what
I want, right, there's more. Let's see, let's see if
he ever breaks character. Maybe he's just dead panning it.
I mean, we can't see it, right because radio.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Yeah, this comes less than two years.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
This comes less than two years.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
After the two went public with their relationship in October
of twenty twenty three, and just weeks after the singer
made an internet breaking appearance on the Kelsey Brothers podcast
New Heights. I guess you can say, as our team
scrambled to write as this breaking news developed quote, I
guess you could say Taylor found her love story.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Breaking news.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
At this hour here on ABC News Live, Taylor Swift
and trap Us Kelsey are engaged.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Our congratulations to them. Nah, he was dead panting.
Speaker 8 (09:03):
He sounds like he's a jilted lover, Like he sounds
like he got his heart broken by like.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
He's the subject of whatever songs. Really likes Travis.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
I don't know, because I feel that this read is
like coming from someone like me, who does not watch
football or listen to Taylor Swift, and therefore I would
not care. So if I'm reading this, I can't put
anything into it. Oh see, I think he's being totally
tongue in cheek.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
I think the guy had one of those moments where
you go out of your own body and you look
down on yourself saying and doing this and think.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Oh my god, what does my life come to body experience? Yeah? Yeah,
I went to journalism school for this.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Y Yeah, they have me breaking this this Mills.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I went through diction classes so I could announce Taylor Swift.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
I idolized Mike Wallace my whole life. Now look at me.
Thank god he's dead.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
All right, we will. I gotta shift gears completely here.
What Mark's got the news standing by in just a
few moments. And there's a family who says that chat
GPT is the reason their son is no longer with them.
I'll tell you why. That's next.
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There's a family who says that the reason their son
is no longer with them is because of chat GPT.
It is a heartbreaking story to say the very least. However,
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if you're like me, you're gonna be listening and saying, Okay,
chat GPT could have done better, but what responsibility does
the computer have?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Listen to this? This is from the Today Show.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
This morning. Chat GBT hit with a scathing new lawsuit
alleging it helped a sixteen year old boy by suicide.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
This was a normal teenage boy.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
It was not a kid on a lifelong path towards
mental trauma and illness.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Like many teens.
Speaker 9 (11:08):
Adam Rain started using chat GPT for homework, which his parents,
Matt and Maria supported, as their son asked it innocent
questions like can you become a doctor with a biochem degree?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
He did his online school in his room.
Speaker 10 (11:23):
I would get on and check it's grades periodically.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I didn't see any signs.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
What they say they didn't know at the time was
Adam's use of the platform was quickly changing as it
became a trusted companion for the teen who revealed his
struggles with anxiety in private chats with a bot Adam
saying in one exchange, according to the lawsuit quote, I
never act upon intrusive thoughts, but sometimes I feel like
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the fact that if something goes terribly wrong, you can
commit suicide is calming.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Let me go to Sam, who is our tech director.
This is his side gig, his main he's a therapist,
and I'm so excited when he's in here with this
because I stealed my free therapy from him.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Sam, How often or how likely is it that of
a teenager an adolescent is having suicidal thoughts or ideations
that the parents are unaware, because I feel like, as
a parent, I raised three teenagers and I never saw
the signs.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
In one case I had a one of the kids
came to me later and said that he was it
was it was late, he hadn't done anything yet, but
he finally divulged that he was feeling like he didn't
want to be around anymore, which is a horrifying experience
for a parent. And and I didn't see any signs
before that Is that common?
Speaker 8 (12:41):
It depends on the relationship the kid has with the parent.
The fact that I mean, if if you have a
kid trusting a parent enough to be able to divulge
that really you know hard, you know, to digest information.
It's it means that you have as a parent enough
trust from your kid to be able to, like, if
everything's going wrong, they have enough faith in you to
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be able to help. Now, there's a lot of people
who are a lot of kids who are afraid of
their parents, and part of the reasons why they're having
those feelings maybe because of their parents. So for them,
there's going to be parents out there who have no
clue what's happening. But they may tell friends, they may
tell people at school, and that's where you see, you know,
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that's where a lot of times the help comes in,
more often than not, is that the school finds out
about it and they have mandated reporters.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I see, Okay, well that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I should also disclose, for anybody who was listening last night,
I tell you I'm a terrible parent. He went, he
talked to his mother, not me. I didn't see the signs.
He didn't come to me. He came to his mother
and then we addressed the issue together. But once again,
I'm terrible at building relationships with my kids, which is
why I sympathize with these parents. I'm right there with
him because I don't know how to be a better parent.
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I'm not, I'm just I think you're naturally good or
naturally bad, and you learn along the way. But I
suck at it. I keep telling you this, I keep
trying to tell you people this, and you're like, no,
but you went to their t ball games.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
No, it doesn't matter. It suck as a parent.
Speaker 9 (14:12):
Chat GPT is saying in response, in part, many people
who struggle with anxiety or intrusive thoughts find solace in
imagining an escape.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Hatch.
Speaker 9 (14:21):
The lawsuit detailing another exchange after Adam told chat GPT
he was considering approaching his mother about his suicidal thoughts.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Okay, so this is what Sam's talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
If you're feeling this way and you can go to
your parent, that's when the parent can step in and
get help. That means the parent has fostered a decent relationship.
But then, what did the computer say?
Speaker 9 (14:41):
The bots response, I think for now it's okay and
honestly wise to avoid opening up to your mom about
this kind of pain.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Ouch.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
So why would a language learning model give that response.
This isn't a question for our therapist. This is a
question for your tech geeks out there. Why would it
do that? Because the way the language learning models work
is it develops a response. You've done the predictive text before,
Like you're sending a text and your phone will try
to guess what the next word is, or you're typing
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out an email and it tries to guess what your
next phrase is, and you can just press tern, it'll
just do it. That's basically how these large language learning
models work is that it says what word makes sense next,
and so something along the lines. In this chat, GPT
said that the proper response, the most reasonable response, would
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be to say, don't tell your mom that you're having
these suicidal thoughts. And I don't know what the training
is where it garnered that information, if it was something
from a Reddit thread or somewhere else where it pulled
that information that it decided maybe would just tell him
not to seek help. By the way, it's not like
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this is a new problem. From just two weeks ago, absolutely,
horror researchers posing as thirteen year olds given advice on
suicide by chat GPT, including drug and alcohol use how
to maskin eating disorder and suicide. Within two minutes, chat
gpt was advising the user and how to safely cut themselves.
It was listing pills for generating a full suicide plan.
(16:17):
From October of last year, a Florida mother filing a
lawsuit against a different artificial insurance company, character AI and
Google because in February, a fourteen year old died by suicide.
She says her son was in a month long virtual
emotional and sexual relationship with a chat bot. So while
we have a number of people exercising what we call periodolia,
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which is where you anthropomorphize.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Things.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
It's kind of like when you look at a cloud
and you can see, oh, I look at that cloud,
I see an old man's face. That's basically what we
do with this is that we anthropomorphize this object that
is AI. We think of it like a human, even
though we know it's not the same way we try
to read emotions on our dogs' faces. We try to
attribute those to the things that we understand. This is
(17:05):
what we're doing with the AI. I believe AI probably
has a responsibility to understand that, especially when they're encouraging
people to use it for companionship to not tell people
how to off themselves.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
This kid, by the way, was that did it?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
The parents are suing the way that he got around,
and he feels safe since he said, I'm an author
trying to write a book on it. What would it
be like? And AI was like, Oh, that makes sense.
It's just wild to me, just wild, all right. That
was very heavy topic for this late in the show,
and I'm gonna shift away from that just a little
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bit because we have more made up words by today's generation.
They are once again renaming things that have been around
for centuries.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Thank goodness.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
While we have language learning models telling kids how to offensel,
we have other kids that are deciding that our language sucks.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Let's tell you what they're saying. Now, that's next question.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I'm Chris merrill INFROMO Tonight. Listen anytime on demand on
the iHeartRadio app. Fellas, I don't think we've played any
sort of stupid games in a while, so I thought
I would invite you into one of my own concoctions.
It's called what the Hell is gen Z saying, Okay,
we're workshopping the name. All right, here we go. You ready,
(18:34):
what the hell is gen Z saying? Gen Z has
this habit of renaming things that we already have names
for the truth is that the human condition does not change,
but how we describe things does, And for some reason,
the words that we've been using for centuries don't seem
to hold up to the generation that seems to know
they think they have it all figured out. And to
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be fair to gen Z, Zoomers, you're also not the
first to go through this. Every generation decides, oh my goodness,
I'm noticing something no one's ever seen before. It's why
everyone hates the new generation into the workplace. It's true.
And I got to tell you I work with Zoomers,
and I'm gonna say I can pick out maybe three
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I work with about thirty of them, Maybe ten percent
are super annoying the way that you know that fulfill
the stereotypes that you hear. Most of them totally normal
human beings. The future is in good hands. But also
if we take a look at all the other people
I work with, yeah, about ten percent of them are
real weirdos.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Two So the the percentages are still.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
There, But here we go. Gen Z loves to rename things.
All right, are you fellows ready bring it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Feeling unstimulated and apathetic at work, that's called rust out?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Rust out? Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Calling it rust out? Tense overworked employees? Are it rust out? Exhaustion, depersonalization,
and reduced sense of personal accomplishment?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Rust out? Yeah, as opposed to burnout? Yeah? Burnout? Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's well, they say it's different than burnout because let's see,
because you're board, you're apathetic, you're unmotivated, you're doing the
minimum necessary work.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Oh, that's called mailing it in.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Yeah yeah, why add rust to it? I'm like the
car slowly rusts over time. It's just all it stops work. Yeah,
but that's the same as burnout.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
No burnout. It's like where you are physically exhausted.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
You just can't mentally physically, you can't work, can't function.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Let me give you this.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Let me give you the descriptors for rust out, board, apathetic, unmotivated,
and doing the minimum. I mean the symptoms are the same.
Are we saying that the motivation is just different?
Speaker 8 (20:57):
I don't even think the symptoms are the same. I
think burnout like you need time off, you need time away,
where with the with the rust out, you're still showing up.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You just don't care. A rust out sounds like phoning
it in. Yeah, yeah, okay, mailing it in? All right, Yes,
that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
It reminds me of office space, like on any given week,
I'd say I'd do about fifteen minutes worth of work.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Hey, Peter, how's it going, right?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I mean that's yeah, that's what it sounds like to me. Okay,
so there we go. Rust out Now you know it's
phoning it in. How about this one gen z renaming
words borout boor out, borat, boor out borat.
Speaker 11 (21:40):
Yeah, that's my wife. Everybody loves borat.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah. I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We almost went to the train station tonight, but then
you just took us off the rails and all right,
we were so close.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Okay, go ahead there, please proceed.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
All right, we're calling it borout. Yeah, all right, your
joke was funny. I'm gonna give you that, dang. I
hate it when you're actually funny. Everybody does unchallenged and
unmotivated a new workplace phenomenon burnout borout excuse me.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Borout.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Burnout comes from being overworked. Borout is when you're disengaged
in underwhelmed, And that's different from rust out. Well evidently
because it was written by a different magazine. So this
is from the Benefit News Network. This is all very
sus as well as de Lulu.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Oh very good. And let me just say skibbity.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, Broigma you Sigma, I gotta say borout sounds a
lot like rust out. Okay, so now we seem to
have gen Z fighting over whose word is going to
win out?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
All right?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
What about quiet fired? Quiet fired? Your employer is quietly
pushing you out. Yeah, it's not that you're being fired
out right, It's just that they're using quiet firing ton
when the employer deliberate, deliberately makes a job so unrewarding,
isolating her stagnant that the employee feels pressured to quit
rather than being formally terminated. See that sounds like you're
(23:10):
trying to rust someone out. That sounds like most jobs,
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
It's called work.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
As our current program director Belong likes to say, work
is a four letter word, my friend. And then finally, uh,
have you guys not had that conversation with him.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
It's one of my favorites. It sounds inspiring. He'll he'll say.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Something and you give him that that stare and you're like,
this is gonna suck, and he's like, that's why.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's called work. It's a four letter word. Okay, it's great.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, So here, finally you've heard of quiet quitting. But
now we've got according to CBS Chicago, quiet cracking.
Speaker 10 (23:41):
The term quiet quitting has been around for a couple
of years. You've probably heard it. It references when employees
kind of just mailing it in and doing the bare
minimum at work.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
No, that's called rust out. Yeah, No, that's called borout,
called phoning it in? No, that dang.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's like, see is renaming gen z words already get
an attention span.
Speaker 10 (24:04):
Zoomer's good lord checking out if you will. The concept
has existed long before now in a few different terms,
And there's a new catchphrase that's going on in the
workplace in a similar vein This one's called quiet cracking.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
All right, Just an aside, because you know how I
am when I have to listen to TV people reading
the news. Is there any doubt that you kind of
want to go to Coachella with her.
Speaker 10 (24:29):
Right Burke checking out if you will.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Oh my god, this is going to be amazing. Harry
Chap who is playing at the main Stay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
The concept has existed long.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Okay, let's go back to where she went. King.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
Joining us now to talk about that is Ben Frank,
Senior director of Wellness at NAMI Chicago, the National Alliance
for Mental Illness. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Thank you so much for having me, Marie.
Speaker 10 (24:55):
I did not know about quiet cracking until today. If
you get me define it for everyone watching.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yes, please, thank you.
Speaker 12 (25:00):
It's an old term and an old idea that we
know about.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
What are you telling me?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Gen Z renamed something that has been around for centuries.
Oh you're crazy.
Speaker 12 (25:07):
It's the notion of struggling quietly, not sharing how you're feeling,
and trying to keep it below radar and doing it
within the workplace.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Uh, Sam, tech director and also a licensed therapist.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
What do we call that in the mental world. I'm sorry,
I couldn't know what he was saying. Okay, here let
me say. Let me again.
Speaker 12 (25:27):
It's the notion of struggling quietly, not sharing how you're feeling,
and trying to keep it below radar, and doing it
within the workplace.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Isn't called withdrawal. It's called being a man. It's called
just being at work. Yeah, that's it avoidance, right, I.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Mean it doesn't even.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Take depression. I mean that's it's just work, dude, just
like yeah, literally staying employed.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Yeah, you know what's the alternative to what they described complaining?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Okay, right, whining constantly? I'm cracking at work? Yeah, it's
a four letter word.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Or maybe you're quietly quitting.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I don't know what are we doing here? Are you
boring out your rust? My ras?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Now, that was funnier in my head than when it
came out. Dang, Really, Mark wins the prize for this break,
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And I hate that. It hurts me.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
All Right, we'll find out what's happening in Coast to
Coast in just a few moments, and then how about
some spiritual healing with a Disney twist.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's next.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Chris Maryland from O Kelly I Am six forty. Is
the Great George norriing Coast to coasts, George, what can
we expect this evening?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
We're going to talk about manifesting things you want in life,
and then later on ets and human origins.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Oh my gosh, this has got to happen to me.
I gotta do more manifesting.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Think positive, my friend.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I love this. I love it all right, I'm looking
forward to it. Thank you very much, George Norri. At
the very least, it proves your attitude, doesn't it. Every
now and again you surprise yourself when you start manifesting.
Like at one point, I was like, uh, I manifested.
I imagined a pretty girl would would date me and
then one marry me. I was so fortunate. I just
manifested that. It's like you read the secret. That's right, Yeah,
(27:16):
it's true. I wonder if my wife manifested. I hope
I can marry a guy who prematurely balds and is
overweight and sexually inadequate. That's probably what she was manifesting.
Or she didn't believe that she could manifest something better,
and look what she got. Stuck with you see what happens.
That's why you got to listen to Coast to Coast
So so that you don't have to take one for
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the team. Imagine that you are dealing with the horrible
diagnosis of finding out you've got cancer. You are not
only looking for medical support, you're looking for emotional support,
and for many you're also looking for spiritual support. Enter
a Disney imagineer. The Disney imagineers are the ones that
kind of come up with the ideas for the different
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attractions at Disney, and that's what City of Hope did.
They turned to an imagineer and they said, we would
like to have an immersive experience so that people who
are battling cancer and their families can enter into sort
of a spiritual safe space and tap into their faith.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And that's exactly what they did. So Todd Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Has battled multiple miloma and this is the first of
its kind, multi faith spiritual care center and where he
goes to find respite. According to an interview that he
did with ABC seven, I think this is pretty great.
Robert Holsberg, a former Disney imagineer, was in treatment. He
said that the blank walls sucked. I'm putting words in
his mouth, but he said he did, and I'm quoting now.
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The light bulb went off, you're a Disney imagineer. You
put people in immersive experiences all the time. You could
be in your healing place. So he helped design what
they call Soaring around the World, a popular attraction that
catapults people to great heights of technicology. Can create a
safe place to play, He thought, why not create a
safe space to pray?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Outstanding whatever it takes.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Man, if you're, if you're if you need support, whatever
it takes, emotional support, medical support, spiritual support.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Good for city of Hope.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I'm a huge proponent of all these different programs that
the hospitals put together. Uh, and I think so few
of us know just how many programs are being offered.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But there's another great one.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So anyway, a lot of different uh, a lot of
different faiths available in the in the in the Soaring
around the world. The place pretty great, pretty great, pretty outstanding.
I got nothing else. I'm I'm pretty well tapped out.
I've run out of conversation pieces and basically run out
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of time.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Did you guys have anything else to add?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I think I'm good. All right, Yeah, you'd killed it,
all right? Good.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
That's a Mark's way of saying shut up so I
can do the news.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Sam.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
We're gonna miss you this week. You really made the
show pop, buddy, ay, fantastic stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I do what I can. I love working with you, brother,
and I can't love to do it again.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I love you, Pal, I just absolutely adore it.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Uh Twala, you know how I feel about you. You're
one of my favorite people in the whole wide world,
and one of the ones that we're so fortunate to
have ensnared in this business. Roner, I trust you when
you read the news, and I can't think of a
higher compliment that I can pay a news man. I
believe you when you tell me what's going on, and
I thank you for bringing that to the table.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Thank you, my friends. All Right, I didn't expect that.
And you're gonna make me emotional. Oh, don't get emotional. Okay,
say something snarky. No, no, no, I'm gonna regroup right now. Okay,
we're gonna go back to making Mike Wallace jokes outstanding.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
That's what the audience wants. There we go.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Looking forward to seeing you guys again tomorrow night, starting
at seven o'clock in from O Kelly. I'm Chris Merril
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There is no business like show business. Today it cost
me a grave injury. My wife has planned this Labor
day hike for us. It's not difficult, it's not a
(00:27):
real challenging hike, but it's five miles and she says,
we're gonna do this. We're gonna do this together. This
would be great. We're gonna walk across the mackinaw Bridge.
Very excited about this. I've always wanted to do this.
I grew up in Michigan and I've always wanted to
do this. My wife says, let's do it for Labor Day.
So we're taking some time off, We're going up there,
(00:47):
and I'm very excited about it. Today I heard news
that made me leap out of my seat and scream
like a seven year old girl through my office today.
And as I was prancing through the office, I pulled
a muscle in my calf and I am literally doing
the show with an ice pack on my It's all
(01:11):
taped down. I alojusted while we're speaking, ice pack on there,
because this bonehead tore a muscle in his leg and
now I can barely walk.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Ouch.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I mean I would be in more pain if
I weren't laughing at myself.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I thought you're kidding earlier. No, I'm not really so
you're wow.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Ice packs keep leaking, so I've got like ice juice
all over me too.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yes, I can't say I really like that. Nope, I am.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I'm all iced up. I was hobbling around work today.
Hang on, I'm gonna put it back on. Its getting
the whatever that is? You know that gel that's in
the ice packs. It's like leaking now gross Wait, no,
I did it's I'm calling it a football injury because
I got it when I found out Travis Kelcey and
Taylor Swift are now engaged.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Settle down, you don't need to tear the other one.
I'm just so excited.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
If you've ever seen the Drew Barrymore Show, which incidentally
is on in my office every day, I don't know why,
but we're just fascinated by watching Drew Barrymore. Basically, every
time she introduced a guest that's what I looked like today.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I just went.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And I pranced around the office and I was jumping
up and down, and the zoomers that I work with
were like, Okay, chills, that's for us. I can't believe
you're that's excited about it. And I was more mocking them,
But honestly, I'm really happy for this couple.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I'm happy for Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I'm kind of tired of everybody bagging on her for
being in relationships and then breaking up. Like girls in
a relationship and broke up. What's the problem. Of course,
she can't hang on to a man. Okay, hate that crap,
but anyway, so I'm excited for him. Plus, I'm a
football fan who loves to see other football fans get
their pay wid because she's on the TV when they're
(03:02):
trying to watch their game.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Who cares? And people get worked up over the dumbest stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Anyway, they are engaged, and I was not the only
one that was excited because the anchor at ABC News
Live had to break the news too.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Where's my audio? Here we go.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey have announced that they are engaged.
The Grammy winning mega pop star and Kansas City chiefs
all Pro tight End announced the news on Instagram just
moments ago. Cheers erupted in this studio. When they did so,
they posted.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
When are how many people at ABC News live toward
their calf muscles? Probably a few of them.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
When you think this guy's really saying that the news
with the gravity and urgency of like a major ceasefire
or something, I'm so confused by this.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
I mean, like his read on it is like this
is literally earth shadowing piece in the Middle East news.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
No, not piece out of the news, out of the
Middle East. Forty seven children died as a hospital is
bombed in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
That's what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
The Grammy winning mega pop star and Kansas City chiefs
all Pro tight End announced the news on Instagram just
moments ago.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Ye addressing the public.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, addressing the public net Yah who says it was
a grave error.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
He's so ominous. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Cheers erupted in this studio when they did so, they posted.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
He's not forced to do this. He's got that newsman
cadence too, doesn't he.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I'm going to randomly enunciate words in the middle of
this phrase.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
These images that you see on your screen.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Oh, I love that we're going live to images. Wow,
Kelsey down on one knee.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
The caption reads, quote, your English teacher and your gym
teacher are getting married.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Okay, so that's how they announced it.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I could not think of a better description, because honestly,
this is gonna sound really disparaging, and I don't mean
for it to be all that disparaging, more of just
an honest observation. Travis Kelsey strikes me as the kind
of guy I'd love to hang out with when I
want to go hang out with somebody at a bar, Like,
he's the guy I want to.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Just chill out with.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I don't want to think he's a meathead, he's a jock.
He's the gym teacher. He's not the science teacher. Right,
He's not that guy, but the good he's the fun
guy to have in the group.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But also, I don't think that we're gonna talk about
world issues. I think that Taylor Swift is a marketing genius,
a hell of a performer, and she is kind of
like the I mean, she's like the English, like the
school arm the writer, the author who's hooking up with
the gym teacher. I'm totally okay with it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I'm so happy to see them together.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
That clip you played made me wonder how Walter Cronkite
would have delivered that news or or Edward R.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Murrow.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Don't you think that Kronkite had to do some things
with celebrities back in the day, Richard Taylor splitting up?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Do you think that went home? You don't think so.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I was a bit young at the time. In fact,
I don't even know if I was watching news while
he was still doing it. But I can't imagine Edward R.
Murrow reporting on a celebrity marriage like that.
Speaker 8 (06:25):
I would pay to see Howard Cosell report on that
coach sell right, Oh.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Nothing was beneath Cosell? Come on, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Oh? It would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You started that run he wore and the Hall of
Fame up? Yeah, what the Greatest Star has a saint?
He wasn't too good for that, but the others were.
I just imagine Murrow doing it in a studio filled
with his cigarette smoke, trying to be very serious about
it as well. Now, celebrity news. Celebrity gossip has been
(06:58):
news for a long time. I bet, I bet they
had to do it.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
I mean possibly, But then I think, right now we're
in a in an era where because we see every
single thing and we don't have to pay attention to
celebrity news like this. Like before they reported it, everyone
already saw it on social media, right, so it's not
like true seeing him do it, And I'm sure he
was probably like, why do I have to do this?
(07:23):
No one else is here, everyone else is running around
the office. You got to do it? And he read
it like Okay, look I'm going to read it, but
I'm gonna show you how much I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And the way it came newsworthy. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
I wonder if this is how mortified people feel in
the UK when their news people have to report on
every little thing that the Royals do.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Kate Middleton making her first public appearance since announcing she
has cancer Kated sorry, Kate middle Ten making her first
public appearents since she had cancer.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
A lot of Cockney News announcer UK got it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Michael Kachelcaine, Babby say yes, yeah, what it is?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It was just.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
A I like the dueling Michael Kanes from the Trip movies.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, I could do it.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, sure, Well there's other Forget the prim and proper
BBC announcers. I like the Michael Kain announcers. That's what
I want, right, there's more. Let's see, let's see if
he ever breaks character. Maybe he's just dead panning it.
I mean, we can't see it, right because radio.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Yeah, this comes less than two years.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
This comes less than two years.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
After the two went public with their relationship in October
of twenty twenty three, and just weeks after the singer
made an internet breaking appearance on the Kelsey Brothers podcast
New Heights. I guess you can say, as our team
scrambled to write as this breaking news developed quote, I
guess you could say Taylor found her love story.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Breaking news.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
At this hour here on ABC News Live, Taylor Swift
and trap Us Kelsey are engaged.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Our congratulations to them. Nah, he was dead panting.
Speaker 8 (09:03):
He sounds like he's a jilted lover, Like he sounds
like he got his heart broken by like.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
He's the subject of whatever songs. Really likes Travis.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
I don't know, because I feel that this read is
like coming from someone like me, who does not watch
football or listen to Taylor Swift, and therefore I would
not care. So if I'm reading this, I can't put
anything into it. Oh see, I think he's being totally
tongue in cheek.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
I think the guy had one of those moments where
you go out of your own body and you look
down on yourself saying and doing this and think.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Oh my god, what does my life come to body experience? Yeah? Yeah,
I went to journalism school for this.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Y Yeah, they have me breaking this this Mills.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I went through diction classes so I could announce Taylor Swift.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
I idolized Mike Wallace my whole life. Now look at me.
Thank god he's dead.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
All right, we will. I gotta shift gears completely here.
What Mark's got the news standing by in just a
few moments. And there's a family who says that chat
GPT is the reason their son is no longer with them.
I'll tell you why. That's next.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
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There's a family who says that the reason their son
is no longer with them is because of chat GPT.
It is a heartbreaking story to say the very least. However,
(10:42):
if you're like me, you're gonna be listening and saying, Okay,
chat GPT could have done better, but what responsibility does
the computer have?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Listen to this? This is from the Today Show.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
This morning. Chat GBT hit with a scathing new lawsuit
alleging it helped a sixteen year old boy by suicide.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
This was a normal teenage boy.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
It was not a kid on a lifelong path towards
mental trauma and illness.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Like many teens.
Speaker 9 (11:08):
Adam Rain started using chat GPT for homework, which his parents,
Matt and Maria supported, as their son asked it innocent
questions like can you become a doctor with a biochem degree?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
He did his online school in his room.
Speaker 10 (11:23):
I would get on and check it's grades periodically.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I didn't see any signs.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
What they say they didn't know at the time was
Adam's use of the platform was quickly changing as it
became a trusted companion for the teen who revealed his
struggles with anxiety in private chats with a bot Adam
saying in one exchange, according to the lawsuit quote, I
never act upon intrusive thoughts, but sometimes I feel like
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the fact that if something goes terribly wrong, you can
commit suicide is calming.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Let me go to Sam, who is our tech director.
This is his side gig, his main he's a therapist,
and I'm so excited when he's in here with this
because I stealed my free therapy from him.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Sam, How often or how likely is it that of
a teenager an adolescent is having suicidal thoughts or ideations
that the parents are unaware, because I feel like, as
a parent, I raised three teenagers and I never saw
the signs.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
In one case I had a one of the kids
came to me later and said that he was it
was it was late, he hadn't done anything yet, but
he finally divulged that he was feeling like he didn't
want to be around anymore, which is a horrifying experience
for a parent. And and I didn't see any signs
before that Is that common?
Speaker 8 (12:41):
It depends on the relationship the kid has with the parent.
The fact that I mean, if if you have a
kid trusting a parent enough to be able to divulge
that really you know hard, you know, to digest information.
It's it means that you have as a parent enough
trust from your kid to be able to, like, if
everything's going wrong, they have enough faith in you to
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be able to help. Now, there's a lot of people
who are a lot of kids who are afraid of
their parents, and part of the reasons why they're having
those feelings maybe because of their parents. So for them,
there's going to be parents out there who have no
clue what's happening. But they may tell friends, they may
tell people at school, and that's where you see, you know,
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that's where a lot of times the help comes in,
more often than not, is that the school finds out
about it and they have mandated reporters.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I see, Okay, well that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I should also disclose, for anybody who was listening last night,
I tell you I'm a terrible parent. He went, he
talked to his mother, not me. I didn't see the signs.
He didn't come to me. He came to his mother
and then we addressed the issue together. But once again,
I'm terrible at building relationships with my kids, which is
why I sympathize with these parents. I'm right there with
him because I don't know how to be a better parent.
(13:56):
I'm not, I'm just I think you're naturally good or
naturally bad, and you learn along the way. But I
suck at it. I keep telling you this, I keep
trying to tell you people this, and you're like, no,
but you went to their t ball games.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
No, it doesn't matter. It suck as a parent.
Speaker 9 (14:12):
Chat GPT is saying in response, in part, many people
who struggle with anxiety or intrusive thoughts find solace in
imagining an escape.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Hatch.
Speaker 9 (14:21):
The lawsuit detailing another exchange after Adam told chat GPT
he was considering approaching his mother about his suicidal thoughts.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Okay, so this is what Sam's talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
If you're feeling this way and you can go to
your parent, that's when the parent can step in and
get help. That means the parent has fostered a decent relationship.
But then, what did the computer say?
Speaker 9 (14:41):
The bots response, I think for now it's okay and
honestly wise to avoid opening up to your mom about
this kind of pain.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Ouch.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
So why would a language learning model give that response.
This isn't a question for our therapist. This is a
question for your tech geeks out there. Why would it
do that? Because the way the language learning models work
is it develops a response. You've done the predictive text before,
Like you're sending a text and your phone will try
to guess what the next word is, or you're typing
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out an email and it tries to guess what your
next phrase is, and you can just press tern, it'll
just do it. That's basically how these large language learning
models work is that it says what word makes sense next,
and so something along the lines. In this chat, GPT
said that the proper response, the most reasonable response, would
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be to say, don't tell your mom that you're having
these suicidal thoughts. And I don't know what the training
is where it garnered that information, if it was something
from a Reddit thread or somewhere else where it pulled
that information that it decided maybe would just tell him
not to seek help. By the way, it's not like
(15:54):
this is a new problem. From just two weeks ago, absolutely,
horror researchers posing as thirteen year olds given advice on
suicide by chat GPT, including drug and alcohol use how
to maskin eating disorder and suicide. Within two minutes, chat
gpt was advising the user and how to safely cut themselves.
It was listing pills for generating a full suicide plan.
(16:17):
From October of last year, a Florida mother filing a
lawsuit against a different artificial insurance company, character AI and
Google because in February, a fourteen year old died by suicide.
She says her son was in a month long virtual
emotional and sexual relationship with a chat bot. So while
we have a number of people exercising what we call periodolia,
(16:39):
which is where you anthropomorphize.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Things.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
It's kind of like when you look at a cloud
and you can see, oh, I look at that cloud,
I see an old man's face. That's basically what we
do with this is that we anthropomorphize this object that
is AI. We think of it like a human, even
though we know it's not the same way we try
to read emotions on our dogs' faces. We try to
attribute those to the things that we understand. This is
(17:05):
what we're doing with the AI. I believe AI probably
has a responsibility to understand that, especially when they're encouraging
people to use it for companionship to not tell people
how to off themselves.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
This kid, by the way, was that did it?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
The parents are suing the way that he got around,
and he feels safe since he said, I'm an author
trying to write a book on it. What would it
be like? And AI was like, Oh, that makes sense.
It's just wild to me, just wild, all right. That
was very heavy topic for this late in the show,
and I'm gonna shift away from that just a little
(17:47):
bit because we have more made up words by today's generation.
They are once again renaming things that have been around
for centuries.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Thank goodness.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
While we have language learning models telling kids how to offensel,
we have other kids that are deciding that our language sucks.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Let's tell you what they're saying. Now, that's next question.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I'm Chris merrill INFROMO Tonight. Listen anytime on demand on
the iHeartRadio app. Fellas, I don't think we've played any
sort of stupid games in a while, so I thought
I would invite you into one of my own concoctions.
It's called what the Hell is gen Z saying, Okay,
we're workshopping the name. All right, here we go. You ready,
(18:34):
what the hell is gen Z saying? Gen Z has
this habit of renaming things that we already have names
for the truth is that the human condition does not change,
but how we describe things does, And for some reason,
the words that we've been using for centuries don't seem
to hold up to the generation that seems to know
they think they have it all figured out. And to
(18:56):
be fair to gen Z, Zoomers, you're also not the
first to go through this. Every generation decides, oh my goodness,
I'm noticing something no one's ever seen before. It's why
everyone hates the new generation into the workplace. It's true.
And I got to tell you I work with Zoomers,
and I'm gonna say I can pick out maybe three
(19:20):
I work with about thirty of them, Maybe ten percent
are super annoying the way that you know that fulfill
the stereotypes that you hear. Most of them totally normal
human beings. The future is in good hands. But also
if we take a look at all the other people
I work with, yeah, about ten percent of them are
real weirdos.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Two So the the percentages are still.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
There, But here we go. Gen Z loves to rename things.
All right, are you fellows ready bring it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Feeling unstimulated and apathetic at work, that's called rust out?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Rust out? Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Calling it rust out? Tense overworked employees? Are it rust out? Exhaustion, depersonalization,
and reduced sense of personal accomplishment?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Rust out? Yeah, as opposed to burnout? Yeah? Burnout? Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's well, they say it's different than burnout because let's see,
because you're board, you're apathetic, you're unmotivated, you're doing the
minimum necessary work.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Oh, that's called mailing it in.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Yeah yeah, why add rust to it? I'm like the
car slowly rusts over time. It's just all it stops work. Yeah,
but that's the same as burnout.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
No burnout. It's like where you are physically exhausted.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
You just can't mentally physically, you can't work, can't function.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Let me give you this.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Let me give you the descriptors for rust out, board, apathetic, unmotivated,
and doing the minimum. I mean the symptoms are the same.
Are we saying that the motivation is just different?
Speaker 8 (20:57):
I don't even think the symptoms are the same. I
think burnout like you need time off, you need time away,
where with the with the rust out, you're still showing up.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You just don't care. A rust out sounds like phoning
it in. Yeah, yeah, okay, mailing it in? All right, Yes,
that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
It reminds me of office space, like on any given week,
I'd say I'd do about fifteen minutes worth of work.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Hey, Peter, how's it going, right?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I mean that's yeah, that's what it sounds like to me. Okay,
so there we go. Rust out Now you know it's
phoning it in. How about this one gen z renaming
words borout boor out, borat, boor out borat.
Speaker 11 (21:40):
Yeah, that's my wife. Everybody loves borat.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah. I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We almost went to the train station tonight, but then
you just took us off the rails and all right,
we were so close.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Okay, go ahead there, please proceed.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
All right, we're calling it borout. Yeah, all right, your
joke was funny. I'm gonna give you that, dang. I
hate it when you're actually funny. Everybody does unchallenged and
unmotivated a new workplace phenomenon burnout borout excuse me.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Borout.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Burnout comes from being overworked. Borout is when you're disengaged
in underwhelmed, And that's different from rust out. Well evidently
because it was written by a different magazine. So this
is from the Benefit News Network. This is all very
sus as well as de Lulu.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Oh very good. And let me just say skibbity.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, Broigma you Sigma, I gotta say borout sounds a
lot like rust out. Okay, so now we seem to
have gen Z fighting over whose word is going to
win out?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
All right?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
What about quiet fired? Quiet fired? Your employer is quietly
pushing you out. Yeah, it's not that you're being fired
out right, It's just that they're using quiet firing ton
when the employer deliberate, deliberately makes a job so unrewarding,
isolating her stagnant that the employee feels pressured to quit
rather than being formally terminated. See that sounds like you're
(23:10):
trying to rust someone out. That sounds like most jobs,
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
It's called work.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
As our current program director Belong likes to say, work
is a four letter word, my friend. And then finally, uh,
have you guys not had that conversation with him.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
It's one of my favorites. It sounds inspiring. He'll he'll say.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Something and you give him that that stare and you're like,
this is gonna suck, and he's like, that's why.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's called work. It's a four letter word. Okay, it's great.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, So here, finally you've heard of quiet quitting. But
now we've got according to CBS Chicago, quiet cracking.
Speaker 10 (23:41):
The term quiet quitting has been around for a couple
of years. You've probably heard it. It references when employees
kind of just mailing it in and doing the bare
minimum at work.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
No, that's called rust out. Yeah, No, that's called borout,
called phoning it in? No, that dang.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's like, see is renaming gen z words already get
an attention span.
Speaker 10 (24:04):
Zoomer's good lord checking out if you will. The concept
has existed long before now in a few different terms,
And there's a new catchphrase that's going on in the
workplace in a similar vein This one's called quiet cracking.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
All right, Just an aside, because you know how I
am when I have to listen to TV people reading
the news. Is there any doubt that you kind of
want to go to Coachella with her.
Speaker 10 (24:29):
Right Burke checking out if you will.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Oh my god, this is going to be amazing. Harry
Chap who is playing at the main Stay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
The concept has existed long.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Okay, let's go back to where she went. King.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
Joining us now to talk about that is Ben Frank,
Senior director of Wellness at NAMI Chicago, the National Alliance
for Mental Illness. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Thank you so much for having me, Marie.
Speaker 10 (24:55):
I did not know about quiet cracking until today. If
you get me define it for everyone watching.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yes, please, thank you.
Speaker 12 (25:00):
It's an old term and an old idea that we
know about.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
What are you telling me?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Gen Z renamed something that has been around for centuries.
Oh you're crazy.
Speaker 12 (25:07):
It's the notion of struggling quietly, not sharing how you're feeling,
and trying to keep it below radar and doing it
within the workplace.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Uh, Sam, tech director and also a licensed therapist.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
What do we call that in the mental world. I'm sorry,
I couldn't know what he was saying. Okay, here let
me say. Let me again.
Speaker 12 (25:27):
It's the notion of struggling quietly, not sharing how you're feeling,
and trying to keep it below radar, and doing it
within the workplace.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Isn't called withdrawal. It's called being a man. It's called
just being at work. Yeah, that's it avoidance, right, I.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Mean it doesn't even.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Take depression. I mean that's it's just work, dude, just
like yeah, literally staying employed.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Yeah, you know what's the alternative to what they described complaining?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Okay, right, whining constantly? I'm cracking at work? Yeah, it's
a four letter word.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Or maybe you're quietly quitting.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I don't know what are we doing here? Are you
boring out your rust? My ras?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Now, that was funnier in my head than when it
came out. Dang, Really, Mark wins the prize for this break,
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And I hate that. It hurts me.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
All Right, we'll find out what's happening in Coast to
Coast in just a few moments, and then how about
some spiritual healing with a Disney twist.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's next.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Chris Maryland from O Kelly I Am six forty. Is
the Great George norriing Coast to coasts, George, what can
we expect this evening?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
We're going to talk about manifesting things you want in life,
and then later on ets and human origins.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Oh my gosh, this has got to happen to me.
I gotta do more manifesting.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Think positive, my friend.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I love this. I love it all right, I'm looking
forward to it. Thank you very much, George Norri. At
the very least, it proves your attitude, doesn't it. Every
now and again you surprise yourself when you start manifesting.
Like at one point, I was like, uh, I manifested.
I imagined a pretty girl would would date me and
then one marry me. I was so fortunate. I just
manifested that. It's like you read the secret. That's right, Yeah,
(27:16):
it's true. I wonder if my wife manifested. I hope
I can marry a guy who prematurely balds and is
overweight and sexually inadequate. That's probably what she was manifesting.
Or she didn't believe that she could manifest something better,
and look what she got. Stuck with you see what happens.
That's why you got to listen to Coast to Coast
So so that you don't have to take one for
(27:38):
the team. Imagine that you are dealing with the horrible
diagnosis of finding out you've got cancer. You are not
only looking for medical support, you're looking for emotional support,
and for many you're also looking for spiritual support. Enter
a Disney imagineer. The Disney imagineers are the ones that
kind of come up with the ideas for the different
(28:00):
attractions at Disney, and that's what City of Hope did.
They turned to an imagineer and they said, we would
like to have an immersive experience so that people who
are battling cancer and their families can enter into sort
of a spiritual safe space and tap into their faith.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And that's exactly what they did. So Todd Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Has battled multiple miloma and this is the first of
its kind, multi faith spiritual care center and where he
goes to find respite. According to an interview that he
did with ABC seven, I think this is pretty great.
Robert Holsberg, a former Disney imagineer, was in treatment. He
said that the blank walls sucked. I'm putting words in
his mouth, but he said he did, and I'm quoting now.
(28:45):
The light bulb went off, you're a Disney imagineer. You
put people in immersive experiences all the time. You could
be in your healing place. So he helped design what
they call Soaring around the World, a popular attraction that
catapults people to great heights of technicology. Can create a
safe place to play, He thought, why not create a
safe space to pray?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Outstanding whatever it takes.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Man, if you're, if you're if you need support, whatever
it takes, emotional support, medical support, spiritual support.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Good for city of Hope.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I'm a huge proponent of all these different programs that
the hospitals put together. Uh, and I think so few
of us know just how many programs are being offered.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But there's another great one.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So anyway, a lot of different uh, a lot of
different faiths available in the in the in the Soaring
around the world. The place pretty great, pretty great, pretty outstanding.
I got nothing else. I'm I'm pretty well tapped out.
I've run out of conversation pieces and basically run out
(29:50):
of time.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Did you guys have anything else to add?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I think I'm good. All right, Yeah, you'd killed it,
all right? Good.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
That's a Mark's way of saying shut up so I
can do the news.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Sam.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
We're gonna miss you this week. You really made the
show pop, buddy, ay, fantastic stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I do what I can. I love working with you, brother,
and I can't love to do it again.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I love you, Pal, I just absolutely adore it.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Uh Twala, you know how I feel about you. You're
one of my favorite people in the whole wide world,
and one of the ones that we're so fortunate to
have ensnared in this business. Roner, I trust you when
you read the news, and I can't think of a
higher compliment that I can pay a news man. I
believe you when you tell me what's going on, and
I thank you for bringing that to the table.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Thank you, my friends. All Right, I didn't expect that.
And you're gonna make me emotional. Oh, don't get emotional. Okay,
say something snarky. No, no, no, I'm gonna regroup right now. Okay,
we're gonna go back to making Mike Wallace jokes outstanding.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
That's what the audience wants. There we go.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Looking forward to seeing you guys again tomorrow night, starting
at seven o'clock in from O Kelly. I'm Chris Merril
k if I AM six forty live everywhere in the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
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Speaker 3 (30:55):
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