August 28, 2025 • 31 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Chris Merrill filling in ‘Later, for Mo’Kelly’ with thoughts on “Weaponized Incompetence,” passing on 'guilt tipping' AND enrolling in “fact-checking 101” College courses - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app & YouTube @MrMoKelly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty Pleasure hanging Out.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It was Chris Merril KFI AM six forty in from
o Kelly tonight offering what I hope is more stimulating talk.
Remember you can listen anytime on demand on the iHeart
Radio app.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Something I learned when I was much younger.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I don't have any sisters, but I do have a mother,
and I did go to school, and it was an
integrated school. We had boys, both boys and girls. And
what I learned is boyser dumb. That was reiterated numerous times.
Mom used to tell me that, and then the girls
at school they would mix it up. They would say
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boyser dumb, and then they would tell me that boys
go to Jupiter to get more stupider. So I learned
at a very early age I am not a bright man,
which is why it's so offensive to me that as
I get older, I'm expected to know how to do
all the thing that people want from me, And they say,
can you do the dishes? How would I know how
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to do the dishes? Boys are dumb? Can you change
the baby's diaper? I'm sorry, I would but I went
to Jupiter to get more stupider. Evidently women have taken
to calling my naivete weaponize incompetence. People, mostly women, venting
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about people in their lives, mostly men who seem to
excel at the office, at school, in their fantasy football draft,
probably on the radio, but they regularly drop the ball
at home, so they don't help with those domestic chores,
like the vacuuming, like the changing of the diapers, like
the dishes. And according to psychologists, the pandemic reignited tension
over the division of housework, and the party responsible for
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the domestic labor again became women. I found a very
well liked I guess she got one point four million followers.
Katie Mortin is her name. She was talking about the
weaponized incompetence.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Have you ever had someone ask for your helpless something
so simple it left you stunned or felt like your
partner acts like a helpless child when it comes to
shared tasks.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, like mow the lawn, honey, why don't you grab
a rake. We've got some leaves to pick up that
that's for you.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
If so, you might have encountered weaponized incompetence.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, we mousetrap caught a mouse. She's like, oh, I
don't know how to take care of it.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Oh but I do.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I'm just expected to know how to dispose of dead rodents?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Why because I'm a guy sexist?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Today we're diving into what this behavior really is, where
the turn came from? And brace yourself. Yeah, how to
recognize if you might be doing this in your own relationships?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
No, as I look her around the cast of characters
around me, is there any doubt that Mark has played
this card before?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Tawala? Any thoughts? I'm one hundred percent sure Mark has
played this card. I don't doubt it at all.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Right, I'm just imagining Mark gets home from work, he
turns on TB. Yeah, uh uh uh huh, and then
his long suffering partner says, can you just unload the dishwasher?
And he's like, honey, I I have right, I have
a lot of writing to do. I just I don't
even know where you want the plates. Any doubts, Yeah, Mark,
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I feel like I should just remain silent here.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That is your right.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Courtesy of Miranda. Yeah, yeah, I don't need to be mirandized.
But uh, but maybe we should just move on Chris. Yeah,
good plan.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
All right. Back to Katie Morton and her description.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Here, weaponized incompetence is when someone pretends to be bad
at something, whether it's doing the dishes, parenting, or even
workplace tasks. It's not a skill issue, it's a responsibility issue.
But where did this term even come from?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Feminists?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
The idea of purposely avoiding tasks by pretending to be
incapable can be traced back to early discussions of labor
and human behavior.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
What nah, this.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Must be something where men were being wrongfully attacked. I
know because I watch a lot of in cell YouTube
and they told me so.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Historically, it's been a tactic to maintain or shift power
dynamics in personal relationships, households, and workplaces.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
The term, by the way, did come from feminists, They say,
I've been studying weaponizing competence for decades. In her nineteen
eighty nine book The Second Shift, ourly is it Hawks?
I believes how you say your name, describing how women
tend to assume the unpaid labor of cooking, cleaning, care
giving an emotional maintenance even after returning home from their
paid jobs. This comes back to the gender rules of
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the nineteen fifties right.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Ever, since the.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
End of World War Two, men were the breadwinners in
the nuclear family. Men get the paycheck. Women are taught
in school how to serve the men, and they're told
as part of your duties to serve the man who's
providing for you. You need to cook and clean, raise
the children, and make sure he's happy when he gets home.
Do you sound like you have a problem with a
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nice trad wife? Do you know what turns me on?
I don't want to independent. My wife is so independent
and strong willed and drives me nuts sometimes because I
wish she'd just stop, just do it my way, But
she says, why don't you shut up and do it
my way? And obviously I think she's wrong, But then
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for some reason she thinks I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Go figure. But I got to tell I love it.
I do.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I do not want a doormat as a partner. You
will brook that kind of defiance that's astounding.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I actually I don't even know if I'm ashamed to
admit it, But come to think of it, I have
weaponized in competence. I work with someone who it bothers me.
How often they pretend to not know how to do
something on their computer like print something access to so
anytime they come around, hey do you know how to
And I'm like, no, I no idea how to go
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to somebody else because it's like I refuse tell them
because they are trying to weaponize and competence and not automatically.
Just before, I don't care what it is. Hey, do
you know where they nup? I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So basically what you're telling me is that you are
engaged in a stupid arms race.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yes, wow, I plan, sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Too, I'm sorry that I asked you to help me.
Add it sound into a voicer. No I did it
like three times? No, Mark, No, no, no, no, sir,
see you.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
I will help because I know you sit in there
for like ungodly hours attempting to do it before you
say hey, yeah, okay, he believes.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
In your incompetency. I no, I mean Mark really needs
the help. But when people who come in, I can
you help me with? No? No? No, I don't know
I know what up stand? What what? Huh? So? I
do think I do think men do this more than women.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Now I give the example of my wife, and and
again my wife will figure things out if she has to.
She's also one that will assign me job. She's a manager,
and that that part of it drives me nuts. When
she's like, I've got some things for you to do
here I've made you and I'm like, oh, you made
me a list. I'm glad I have agency over my
own time, you know. So that kind of stuff drives
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me nuts. But you know, the good and the bad.
So my wife, I've said this before. My wife is
we have a house that we bought in Michigan while
I was what they call unemployed, and so we bought
that and then when I've got another radio jobs around
the country, she goes, this is just gonna be home based.
And so she spends summers there because it's a beautiful place.
I mean, it is absolutely gorgeous, and I'm gonna go
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there this weekend and I'm going to go spend the
labor day.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It's beautiful and I love it and look forward to it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
The problem is, we really do have problems with chipmunks
and mice and things like that. So this summer she
went out and got these traps because the chipmunks were
getting into the house and they're starting to eat away,
and we're concerned about them eating some of the electrical
wiring because we had an issue with it. So she
set these traps and we tried to figure out what
is the best way. Now, we've put up a lot
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of we've put up a lot of deterrence, but we
do have traps set up, and the traps don't always
kill the chipmunks right away. And the first time she
had to take care of it, she called me on
the phone and FaceTime in went what do I do now?
To her credit, she figured it out and then she
felt really horrible the rest of the day.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But I mentioned before or.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
When you grow up in a rural area, it's a
little bit different than when you're in an urban area.
But I want you to imagine if you had rats
in your apartment and you set up rat traps and
that rat trap goes off and the rat isn't dead,
what are you doing with it?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
You got it?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You have to put it out of its misery, right
and hopefully you do it as quickly as possible. Yeah,
So she had to figure that out, and to her
credit she did. But that is one of those situations,
whether it's it's like the delegation of duties. She said,
when we first got together, men take care of the
outside of the home, women take care of the inside
of the home. And I said, Honey, that is a
very traditional viewpoint, and I don't think you have to
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adopt such a thing, but I'm fine with it. And
so we just agreed that means I gotta get the
oil changes, I have to wash the cars. She is
one that will come home and say, my car's not empty,
can you help me right?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But then inside the house that is also my job.
I'm also been told I'm not helping out enough. So
it really basically I have to play dumb if I
want anything, if I want any free time.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I think this goes back to when.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
We were young lads, because I think it's more than
just gender wolves. I think it's more than just the
nuclear family. I think this goes back to integrated gender wolves.
And I think it becomes generational. So when we're kids,
our mothers were the ones at home raising us right.
Nuclear families or moms were figuring things out, and so
if moms wanted us to do something, we played dumb.
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We might put the dishes in the wrong place. We
might not empty the garbage, or we might accidentally have
the garbage bag rip open as we're taking it out
to the trash can. Right, We basically look like we're
morons so that our moms will say, it's just easier for.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Me to do it myself.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yeah, that only works when you have, like say, a
mom and a dad the house. When you just have
a mom, oh there's no, no, no, that work.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Because then she'll say the problem here is you need
more practice. Yeah, yeah, you get all types of right, yeah, yeah, no,
I agree with you on that, But I do think
that if you grew up in one of those environments,
than when you get older, what do they say, you
marry your mother? So the dynamic is still there that
we had when we were children. She's still the matriarch,
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and so we can we still kind of revert back
to I don't want to do this chore. I'm just
gonna make it look like it's harder for her to
have to deal with me doing it than it is
for her to do it herself. I just think it's
I think it's cyclical. This woman is shrinking here, Yeah, yeah,
where's our shrink to tell us how our parents screwed
us up.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
It made us a misogynous No, he's.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Got the night off, so we have to figure it
out among ourselves, like mae, no often do.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Basically, what I'm saying is I blame my mother. Okay, good? Uh?
How about just the tip? That's next.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I'm Chris Merril. This is the Mo Kelly Show in
form tonight. As Uh, Mo, where did he go? Did
he go to? Like Italy or something? I thought he
was in Greece? Greece.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I knew it was one of those.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
He's the world. He's gone to Italy, He's going to
you know that Mediterranean Italian cruise. He's everywhere. Sounds nice?
Doesn't it good for him?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Although I keep saying that if you're a MO fan,
he is pretty active still on social media. If when
I'm on when I'm on vacation, I do not want
to have anything to do with social media, Like I
just want to turn all.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Of it off. No, he can't.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
He can't come at him like I dare you to
try me. I'm on vacation, not me.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I get all work. I get so.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Unnecessarily worked up about it. First of all, because I
tend to think that everyone online is like looking in
the mirror. I don't think because a lot of people
who say stupid things online, I just think if I
met them in real life, I would just blow them off, right,
I would. There would be no reason for me to
talk to them. I would look at them and I
and I would judge them instantly, and I go, your
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opinion is lacking. But online, I'd just assume everybody has
half a brain cell. And I should not do that.
I should do the opposite, But I don't. So I
get all worked up. I get like, I get stressed
about it. I get very anxious. I know he he
loves it.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Oh yeah, he loves this is what gets him up
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I know it does some people like napalm.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
He likes idiots on social media.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Uh, speaking of idiots on social media, did we talk
about did we do the the we did this yesterday?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Didn't we to all the college students with the misinformation?
Or no? Did we not college class? I don't know, No, No, no,
we did. We didn't get to the idiots.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And we'll talk about college students who are taking a
college class to learn how not to be dumb. That's
coming up here after Mark's newscasts. I didn't want to
say this. When was the last time you went to
the store you bought something minimal and then they flipped
the screen around and asked you to put a tip
on it. They call it guilt tipping. And there we're
starting to see a shift. This is from HubSpot Marketing.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
All right, that'll be six seventy five for your drip
coffee with oat milk. I' just gonna ask you a
quick question. Oh uh okay, a tip just for pouring
a coffee and turning an iPad around.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
What does this world come to?
Speaker 6 (14:18):
And why does it feel like I'm diffusing a bomb
right now?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Oh God, they're watching me. That is true.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It does start to feel like, Uh, I do this
when I get my haircut at Swifty Chop. And if
you go to Swifty Chop, you're expected to leave a
tip because they get paid nothing for those haircuts.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That's why I go there. But then if you go
do a real you.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Know, a salon or barbershop or whatever, then I feel
like I definitely have to tip because they're fancy.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I hate that quick must choose wisely.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Like when I go to Pizza Hut, I ordered the pizza,
I go and I pick up the pizza. They print
the receipt and there's a spot on there for how
much of a tip do I want to leave?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Leave a tip? I drove here and walked up to
the door and picked it up.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Uh yeah, but I mean, uh like typed it into
the computer. Wait, so you leave nothing when you pick
up an order. I leave nothing when I pick up
an order. Yeah? Really yeah? Okay, yeah, well they must
love to see you now they hit it. Do you
never go to the same place twice?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I do? Okay I do. Maybe you're getting this special
and I'm going to pick it up. I don't leave
a tip. What did you do? Well? You didn't serve me.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Now see Chipotle, what they do. They're smart. They ask
for the tip when you're doing a pickup order. They
ask for you to tip ahead of time, whether you
don't know if the service that they're providing for your
food you don't know anything.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I always tip that in the order and they say
do you want to tip?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
And I'm like, you're daring me to challenge your ability
to give me a special.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And I'm not going to play that. I'm not trying
you a tip.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
One. Always leave the tip when you when they and
I hate that though, because they ask you for the
tip before you get a chance to see if you
have any reason to fuck.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
You can't take it back. Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
But if I'm if I'm doing like door dash or
uber eats or something like that, then I tip.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
First of all, I tip because that's basically what those
guys live on. And I feel like, okay, this is
I go into it knowing I'm gonna leave them a
tip because this is their livelihood. But then the other
thing too is I don't want, as you put it,
the special yep.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Oh no, I hit thirty percent. There goes my down
payment coffee for arian.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Quote. All right, this is this whole video is just
a lot. I was stressful.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
I'm not alone here, right. You just want to get
yourself a little sweet treat, and then all of a
sudden you're being asked to tip twenty five percent like
your debit card to help hostage. Studies have shown the
tip screens like this are actually turning customers away. The
pressure to tip is making people less likely to come
back and spend money. Guess it's worth of coffee, he says,
regular milk. Not only did I tip out of guilt,
now I'm getting a lacktose punishment for my generosity.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Why me, okay? Whatever?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
That is interesting from a marketing standpoint. When employees are
flipping the screen around and saying you want to go
ahead and leave a tip, and then they stare at you,
it's actually making people not want to come back again.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Like Mark said, do you go to a different place
every time? I don't. But that is a concern for.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
The Pizza Hut or the Dominoes or whoever's doing it
to me, because they could potentially be losing a repeat
customer simply because they're irritating me. But good news, Americans
are getting better at this. We have decided the guilt tipping. No,
we are cutting back on the guilt tipping. The percentage
of tips left is dropping. Americans are spending two hundred
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and eighty three dollars on pressure driven tips. That is
down from last year's number of four hundred and fifty
three dollars. That's a significant drop off. An average of
one hundred and seventy dollars. I mean, we're talking a
third less. So if you were asking for thirty percent before,
you're getting twenty percent now, so we're all saying, nah,
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you're not gonna do that to me. I'm not dealing
with it. You can also make them feel uncomfortable too,
when they flip it around and put that screen in
front of you. Just stare them right in the eye
and then put zero.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Just stare at.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Them, or do weird things like lick your lips, stare
at them, kind of wink at it.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Especially if it's the screen that they have to touch.
Lick your fingers and touch the screen.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, and like how do like yeah, and
then kind of like rub around, lick a little more.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, I mean like I'm not sure which.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Yeah, I don't be lick my finger just to make
sure I can really get a good grip on this here.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Right, I'm gonna give you the special all right, trust
no one.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You'll find out why that is and why college courses
are teaching against it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
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Speaker 2 (18:49):
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Safe to say you should trust no one uh wise
words also makes it very difficult to have deep lasting relationships,
but at least will be protected. For gen z born
between ninety seven and twenty twelve, social media, especially YouTube, TikTok, Instagram,
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and Snapchat is now their source of information about the world.
They are no longer turning to traditional news outlets. They
don't even know what KFI is. It breaks my heart. Oh, yes,
they do because they listen on the apps. The wild
world where you live in and a survey of more
than a thousand young people from thirteen to eighteen, eighty
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percent of them saidet they find conspiracy theories and their
social media feeds every week, and yet fewer than forty
percent have ever received instruction on figuring out if the
claims are true or false, which is why there is
now a new class. And instructor at Georgia State University
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found that most of his students were coming to school.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
And they were They were no longer.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Like previous generations who had kind of a general understanding
of high school civics. No, now you've got kids showing
up in your American government one on one class, and
they have beliefs that have been shaped by hours on
TikTok when they've been bombarded by Nick Fuentes telling you
about how the white race is better, or trad wives
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telling you about how staying at home and raising the
children is really what God intended. Or you've got radicals
on the other side they tell you that if you're
not willing to die for your cause, then is it
really a cause that you care about? And nutbags out there,
they spend hours. More than fifty percent of our waking
hours are now spent online, and for the younger generations,
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that means TikTok, that means YouTube, that means Instagram. One
example of misinformation that was making the rounds back in
twenty twenty one when he started noticing that there was
a problem was an anonymously posted video that more than
half of the teens in a national survey said provided
strong evidence of US voter fraud. The video, however, was
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actually shot in Russia. The context that could be gleaned
by entering just a few choice keywords into a browser,
but the kids saw it seemed credible and believed it.
The election was stolen, and then that concept has been
reinforced by politicians here stateside. So it is absolutely a
disinformation campaign coming from overseas by people with obviously ill
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intent toward the United States and trying to drive divisiveness,
and then they buy right into it. In other words,
young people in their naivete have become useful idiots.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I actually give them credit because they're young, they don't
have experience.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
My trouble is when the useful idiots are older and
they start aping the messages without thinking through those messages themselves.
That's where we have problems. So what did this Georgia
State University professor do? He took a look at the
Civic Online Reasoning Curriculum. Now, this was developed at Stanford
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and it is available to anyone, and it teaches a
set of strategies they say based on how professional fact
checkers evaluate online information. So he went to teaching his
kids how to determine if everything they've heard is crap.
Imagine that you are a kindergartener. Now, when I was
in kindergarten, my parents had a globe. You rarely ever
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see a globe in anybody's house anymore, but we had
a globe. It wasn't fancy or anything. I mean, it
was the kind of thing you get at like Walmart.
It was super cheap.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Then we had it, and I was such a geek.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I used to on sick days, I would sit there
with that globe in my lap, and I thought, I'm sick,
but I should still learn something today.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Super nerd, super nerd.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Weird that I graduated high school of virgin Huh, I know, right, weird.
So anyway, as I was looking at this globe, now
I realize how great it was, how fortunate I was
to have this globe in front me, because I could
go and I could look things up on my own,
and I learned how to go find that information. But
imagine if you're a kindergartener and you don't have a globe,
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you don't have any sort of map that would tell
you that the world is anything but flat. And imagine
your parents are flat earthers and they tell you the
world is flat. Kids, the world is flat. Now I'm
using an extreme example so you get my point. But
imagine if not only did your parents tell you that
the world is flat, but your aunts and your uncles
told you that the world is flat, and your cousins
were like, oh, yeah, we can't go too far that
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way or we're gonna fall off the edge of the world.
And what if they told you, Now, you're a trusting
young person and these are authority figures, And what if
they told you that the moon landing was faked? And
what if they told you that every time you see
an airplane go by and you see a contrail of condensation, right,
you see a contrail behind the plane, that's actually the
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government poisoning you with chemicals. Now, when you're a kid,
you believe everything. Well, I don't know if you remember
the kind of stuff that you believe when you were young,
but I believe some really weird stuff. I used to
believe that babies were born out of a woman's foot.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Until I was, like, I don't know, four or five
years old, I thought the babies came from feet.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Don't ask me how I came up with that, but
I believe that was the case. Would you care to
expand on that? Why it had to expand to give birth?
I really don't know how I came up with that concept.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I think it was because I have a mole in
the middle of my foot and I thought that was
like the umbilical cord or something like that. I have
no idea, man, I was just young and dumb, and
I just thought babies came from feet. Probably the weirdest
little fun fact about my childhood, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Well? Good for sure. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Anyway,
My point is, if.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
You're told all along that the world is one way
and someone challenges your worldview, they're not just challenging your worldview,
they are challenging. They're challenging your parents. You're challenging everything
that you believe. And if you give it on this
one thing, what are the other things your parents may
have told you that are absolute blooney? What are you
gonna say, Santa.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Claus isn't isn't coming down the chimney.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
You're telling me the Easter bunny didn't hop hop hop
and drop off some candy. No way, pal, I'm not
believing you. So if you have a bunch of young
people who don't know otherwise, and they are bombarded with
a similar message from people they trust, why in the
world would they ever change their viewpoint, which is the
point of misinformation. So now we're at the point where
we actually have to teach college students how to spot
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somebody trying to take advantage of their naivete before they
become an adult useful idiot. Don Chris Merril, Uh, who
am I in for?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Mark, I'm in from o Kelly. That's right.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
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demand of the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
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Speaker 3 (26:00):
Moo Kelly Show.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Chris Marrilan from oKFI AM six forty more Stimulating Talk.
We'll find out if you are on the trailer coming
up here after nine o'clock and Mark is getting ready
with his nine o'clock newscast with that here in just
a few moments.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Google's biggest competitor might be Google. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Google is trying to be everything to everyone all at once.
The problem is it could be hurting you. And if
it's hurting you, what used to you have for Google?
They're calling it Google zero. Quick Cast News talks about it.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Imagine waking up to a world where websites get no visits,
leaving vast digital landscapes deserted.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, imagine if people were searching for your website and
they didn't visit it.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Welcome to the concept of Google zero, a looming scenario
that's sending shock waves through online publishing circles.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Uh oh.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
At the heart of this digital discussion is Google AI
Overview and similar AI driven tools that are transforming how
we gather information.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Okay, go on.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Instead of directing users to websites, these advanced features are
providing direct answers, reducing the need for the classic click through.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh yeah, it's like when I bring something and I
get the copilot answer. Are you you google something and
you get the overview or the Gemini or whatever it is?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I see everybody wants to have their AI in there,
but nobody's visiting your websites.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And how are you selling ads?
Speaker 7 (27:23):
With fewer people opening those familiar blue links. The ripple
effects could be catastrophic for online publishers who rely heavily
on web traffic.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
A world where search engines essentially stop delivering visitors could
lead to the digital equivalent of ghost towns as websites
see their lifeblood visitor engagement dry up.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, but then how does overview gather new information?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I mean, one of the things about AIS is constantly
trying to gather new information. It's it's scouring news articles,
news items, it's scouring Reddit. It's all over, you know,
grock is all over trying to figure out just how
nazi it should be. So how does it continue to
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learn if we stop publishing. We can't continue publishing if
we're not getting people to visit our websites.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Right, this shift raises critical questions about the balance between technologies, capabilities,
and its unintended consequences on the digital ecosystem. As AI
continues to evolve, the potential for Google zero challenges the
very foundation of how the web operates and thrives. Will
we adapt or will parts of the internet face decline?
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Maybe stay connected as this story develops, Okay, like and
follow for more news.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now, ironically, it is an AI voice that's reading of
that story, and that was the most realistic AI voice
that I could find to read that story. I find
a lot of people that were talking about Google zero.
It was all AI crap, all AI crap, and it
sounds terrible. Incidentally, pay somebody to read your news, my god,
(28:58):
you can find This is one thing that makes me crazy.
If you are a company and you're trying to have
a narration on a video every day. Don't rely on
AI to do that.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Really.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Now, I'm not saying you have to go out and
hire a professional voice actor. You don't have to become
a union shop that's doing all this. I'm not saying that.
But find somebody that knows how to read. They can
read this stuff. If you've got to find a high
school kid in theater class and say, hey, we're looking
for somebody to voice some of these little news items
that we're putting together, get in the experience. Don't have
(29:35):
AI reading yourself. I've seen this so much when I
go looking for audio to supplement our news stories. So
many different places are putting out the stories and they're
just having AI read it. And it's so so bad,
and I'm glad that it's bad. I don't want it
to be good. I don't want the competition. But what
I do want to see is people say, we understand
(29:56):
AI may get better, but there's an opportunity here to
allow someone to get better, an actual individual to get better.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It doesn't cost you that.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I mean, even if you've got to pay somebody ten
bucks to read the news item, is that setting you back,
Like I said, usually you can find some high school
theater kid that'll do it just for the reps. Anyway,
when it comes to the Google zero, according to Financial
Times and AI overviews, we're cannibalizing website visits.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Four and five.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Consumers are relying now on zero click search results in
at least forty percent of their searches. While Google disputes
the findings of some of the studies that have come
out whatever they extended the impact of overviews and now
AI mode, publishers are preparing for a future where Google
is less crucial to their sites. So if you don't
need Google because it's not sending anything to your website,
(30:42):
where is Google going to get the information? And what
does Google's future business model look like if it just
cannibalized its own customer base.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah, that's a problem. That's an issue.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Chris merrill In from o Kelly, KFI AM six forty
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
It was Chris Merril KFI AM six forty in from
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Remember you can listen anytime on demand on the iHeart
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
Something I learned when I was much younger.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I don't have any sisters, but I do have a mother,
and I did go to school, and it was an
integrated school. We had boys, both boys and girls. And
what I learned is boyser dumb. That was reiterated numerous times.
Mom used to tell me that, and then the girls
at school they would mix it up. They would say
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boyser dumb, and then they would tell me that boys
go to Jupiter to get more stupider. So I learned
at a very early age I am not a bright man,
which is why it's so offensive to me that as
I get older, I'm expected to know how to do
all the thing that people want from me, And they say,
can you do the dishes? How would I know how
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to do the dishes? Boys are dumb? Can you change
the baby's diaper? I'm sorry, I would but I went
to Jupiter to get more stupider. Evidently women have taken
to calling my naivete weaponize incompetence. People, mostly women, venting
(01:27):
about people in their lives, mostly men who seem to
excel at the office, at school, in their fantasy football draft,
probably on the radio, but they regularly drop the ball
at home, so they don't help with those domestic chores,
like the vacuuming, like the changing of the diapers, like
the dishes. And according to psychologists, the pandemic reignited tension
over the division of housework, and the party responsible for
(01:51):
the domestic labor again became women. I found a very
well liked I guess she got one point four million followers.
Katie Mortin is her name. She was talking about the
weaponized incompetence.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Have you ever had someone ask for your helpless something
so simple it left you stunned or felt like your
partner acts like a helpless child when it comes to
shared tasks.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, like mow the lawn, honey, why don't you grab
a rake. We've got some leaves to pick up that
that's for you.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
If so, you might have encountered weaponized incompetence.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, we mousetrap caught a mouse. She's like, oh, I
don't know how to take care of it.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Oh but I do.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I'm just expected to know how to dispose of dead rodents?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Why because I'm a guy sexist?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Today we're diving into what this behavior really is, where
the turn came from? And brace yourself. Yeah, how to
recognize if you might be doing this in your own relationships?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
No, as I look her around the cast of characters
around me, is there any doubt that Mark has played
this card before?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Tawala? Any thoughts? I'm one hundred percent sure Mark has
played this card. I don't doubt it at all.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Right, I'm just imagining Mark gets home from work, he
turns on TB. Yeah, uh uh uh huh, and then
his long suffering partner says, can you just unload the dishwasher?
And he's like, honey, I I have right, I have
a lot of writing to do. I just I don't
even know where you want the plates. Any doubts, Yeah, Mark,
(03:40):
I feel like I should just remain silent here.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That is your right.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Courtesy of Miranda. Yeah, yeah, I don't need to be mirandized.
But uh, but maybe we should just move on Chris. Yeah,
good plan.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
All right. Back to Katie Morton and her description.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Here, weaponized incompetence is when someone pretends to be bad
at something, whether it's doing the dishes, parenting, or even
workplace tasks. It's not a skill issue, it's a responsibility issue.
But where did this term even come from?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Feminists?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
The idea of purposely avoiding tasks by pretending to be
incapable can be traced back to early discussions of labor
and human behavior.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
What nah, this.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Must be something where men were being wrongfully attacked. I
know because I watch a lot of in cell YouTube
and they told me so.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Historically, it's been a tactic to maintain or shift power
dynamics in personal relationships, households, and workplaces.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
The term, by the way, did come from feminists, They say,
I've been studying weaponizing competence for decades. In her nineteen
eighty nine book The Second Shift, ourly is it Hawks?
I believes how you say your name, describing how women
tend to assume the unpaid labor of cooking, cleaning, care
giving an emotional maintenance even after returning home from their
paid jobs. This comes back to the gender rules of
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the nineteen fifties right.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Ever, since the.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
End of World War Two, men were the breadwinners in
the nuclear family. Men get the paycheck. Women are taught
in school how to serve the men, and they're told
as part of your duties to serve the man who's
providing for you. You need to cook and clean, raise
the children, and make sure he's happy when he gets home.
Do you sound like you have a problem with a
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nice trad wife? Do you know what turns me on?
I don't want to independent. My wife is so independent
and strong willed and drives me nuts sometimes because I
wish she'd just stop, just do it my way, But
she says, why don't you shut up and do it
my way? And obviously I think she's wrong, But then
(05:56):
for some reason she thinks I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Go figure. But I got to tell I love it.
I do.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I do not want a doormat as a partner. You
will brook that kind of defiance that's astounding.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I actually I don't even know if I'm ashamed to
admit it, But come to think of it, I have
weaponized in competence. I work with someone who it bothers me.
How often they pretend to not know how to do
something on their computer like print something access to so
anytime they come around, hey do you know how to
And I'm like, no, I no idea how to go
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to somebody else because it's like I refuse tell them
because they are trying to weaponize and competence and not automatically.
Just before, I don't care what it is. Hey, do
you know where they nup? I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So basically what you're telling me is that you are
engaged in a stupid arms race.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yes, wow, I plan, sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Too, I'm sorry that I asked you to help me.
Add it sound into a voicer. No I did it
like three times? No, Mark, No, no, no, no, sir,
see you.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
I will help because I know you sit in there
for like ungodly hours attempting to do it before you
say hey, yeah, okay, he believes.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
In your incompetency. I no, I mean Mark really needs
the help. But when people who come in, I can
you help me with? No? No? No, I don't know
I know what up stand? What what? Huh? So? I
do think I do think men do this more than women.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Now I give the example of my wife, and and
again my wife will figure things out if she has to.
She's also one that will assign me job. She's a manager,
and that that part of it drives me nuts. When
she's like, I've got some things for you to do
here I've made you and I'm like, oh, you made
me a list. I'm glad I have agency over my
own time, you know. So that kind of stuff drives
(07:52):
me nuts. But you know, the good and the bad.
So my wife, I've said this before. My wife is
we have a house that we bought in Michigan while
I was what they call unemployed, and so we bought
that and then when I've got another radio jobs around
the country, she goes, this is just gonna be home based.
And so she spends summers there because it's a beautiful place.
I mean, it is absolutely gorgeous, and I'm gonna go
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there this weekend and I'm going to go spend the
labor day.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It's beautiful and I love it and look forward to it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
The problem is, we really do have problems with chipmunks
and mice and things like that. So this summer she
went out and got these traps because the chipmunks were
getting into the house and they're starting to eat away,
and we're concerned about them eating some of the electrical
wiring because we had an issue with it. So she
set these traps and we tried to figure out what
is the best way. Now, we've put up a lot
(08:37):
of we've put up a lot of deterrence, but we
do have traps set up, and the traps don't always
kill the chipmunks right away. And the first time she
had to take care of it, she called me on
the phone and FaceTime in went what do I do now?
To her credit, she figured it out and then she
felt really horrible the rest of the day.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But I mentioned before or.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
When you grow up in a rural area, it's a
little bit different than when you're in an urban area.
But I want you to imagine if you had rats
in your apartment and you set up rat traps and
that rat trap goes off and the rat isn't dead,
what are you doing with it?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
You got it?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You have to put it out of its misery, right
and hopefully you do it as quickly as possible. Yeah,
So she had to figure that out, and to her
credit she did. But that is one of those situations,
whether it's it's like the delegation of duties. She said,
when we first got together, men take care of the
outside of the home, women take care of the inside
of the home. And I said, Honey, that is a
very traditional viewpoint, and I don't think you have to
(09:35):
adopt such a thing, but I'm fine with it. And
so we just agreed that means I gotta get the
oil changes, I have to wash the cars. She is
one that will come home and say, my car's not empty,
can you help me right?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But then inside the house that is also my job.
I'm also been told I'm not helping out enough. So
it really basically I have to play dumb if I
want anything, if I want any free time.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I think this goes back to when.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
We were young lads, because I think it's more than
just gender wolves. I think it's more than just the
nuclear family. I think this goes back to integrated gender wolves.
And I think it becomes generational. So when we're kids,
our mothers were the ones at home raising us right.
Nuclear families or moms were figuring things out, and so
if moms wanted us to do something, we played dumb.
(10:24):
We might put the dishes in the wrong place. We
might not empty the garbage, or we might accidentally have
the garbage bag rip open as we're taking it out
to the trash can. Right, We basically look like we're
morons so that our moms will say, it's just easier for.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Me to do it myself.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yeah, that only works when you have, like say, a
mom and a dad the house. When you just have
a mom, oh there's no, no, no, that work.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Because then she'll say the problem here is you need
more practice. Yeah, yeah, you get all types of right, yeah, yeah, no,
I agree with you on that, But I do think
that if you grew up in one of those environments,
than when you get older, what do they say, you
marry your mother? So the dynamic is still there that
we had when we were children. She's still the matriarch,
(11:09):
and so we can we still kind of revert back
to I don't want to do this chore. I'm just
gonna make it look like it's harder for her to
have to deal with me doing it than it is
for her to do it herself. I just think it's
I think it's cyclical. This woman is shrinking here, Yeah, yeah,
where's our shrink to tell us how our parents screwed
us up.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
It made us a misogynous No, he's.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Got the night off, so we have to figure it
out among ourselves, like mae, no often do.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Basically, what I'm saying is I blame my mother. Okay, good? Uh?
How about just the tip? That's next.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I'm Chris Merril. This is the Mo Kelly Show in
form tonight. As Uh, Mo, where did he go? Did
he go to? Like Italy or something? I thought he
was in Greece? Greece.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I knew it was one of those.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
He's the world. He's gone to Italy, He's going to
you know that Mediterranean Italian cruise. He's everywhere. Sounds nice?
Doesn't it good for him?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Although I keep saying that if you're a MO fan,
he is pretty active still on social media. If when
I'm on when I'm on vacation, I do not want
to have anything to do with social media, Like I
just want to turn all.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Of it off. No, he can't.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
He can't come at him like I dare you to
try me. I'm on vacation, not me.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I get all work. I get so.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Unnecessarily worked up about it. First of all, because I
tend to think that everyone online is like looking in
the mirror. I don't think because a lot of people
who say stupid things online, I just think if I
met them in real life, I would just blow them off, right,
I would. There would be no reason for me to
talk to them. I would look at them and I
and I would judge them instantly, and I go, your
(12:56):
opinion is lacking. But online, I'd just assume everybody has
half a brain cell. And I should not do that.
I should do the opposite, But I don't. So I
get all worked up. I get like, I get stressed
about it. I get very anxious. I know he he
loves it.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Oh yeah, he loves this is what gets him up
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I know it does some people like napalm.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
He likes idiots on social media.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Uh, speaking of idiots on social media, did we talk
about did we do the the we did this yesterday?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Didn't we to all the college students with the misinformation?
Or no? Did we not college class? I don't know, No, No, no,
we did. We didn't get to the idiots.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And we'll talk about college students who are taking a
college class to learn how not to be dumb. That's
coming up here after Mark's newscasts. I didn't want to
say this. When was the last time you went to
the store you bought something minimal and then they flipped
the screen around and asked you to put a tip
on it. They call it guilt tipping. And there we're
starting to see a shift. This is from HubSpot Marketing.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
All right, that'll be six seventy five for your drip
coffee with oat milk. I' just gonna ask you a
quick question. Oh uh okay, a tip just for pouring
a coffee and turning an iPad around.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
What does this world come to?
Speaker 6 (14:18):
And why does it feel like I'm diffusing a bomb
right now?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Oh God, they're watching me. That is true.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It does start to feel like, Uh, I do this
when I get my haircut at Swifty Chop. And if
you go to Swifty Chop, you're expected to leave a
tip because they get paid nothing for those haircuts.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That's why I go there. But then if you go
do a real you.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Know, a salon or barbershop or whatever, then I feel
like I definitely have to tip because they're fancy.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I hate that quick must choose wisely.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Like when I go to Pizza Hut, I ordered the pizza,
I go and I pick up the pizza. They print
the receipt and there's a spot on there for how
much of a tip do I want to leave?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Leave a tip? I drove here and walked up to
the door and picked it up.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Uh yeah, but I mean, uh like typed it into
the computer. Wait, so you leave nothing when you pick
up an order. I leave nothing when I pick up
an order. Yeah? Really yeah? Okay, yeah, well they must
love to see you now they hit it. Do you
never go to the same place twice?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I do? Okay I do. Maybe you're getting this special
and I'm going to pick it up. I don't leave
a tip. What did you do? Well? You didn't serve me.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Now see Chipotle, what they do. They're smart. They ask
for the tip when you're doing a pickup order. They
ask for you to tip ahead of time, whether you
don't know if the service that they're providing for your
food you don't know anything.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I always tip that in the order and they say
do you want to tip?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
And I'm like, you're daring me to challenge your ability
to give me a special.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And I'm not going to play that. I'm not trying
you a tip.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
One. Always leave the tip when you when they and
I hate that though, because they ask you for the
tip before you get a chance to see if you
have any reason to fuck.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
You can't take it back. Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
But if I'm if I'm doing like door dash or
uber eats or something like that, then I tip.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
First of all, I tip because that's basically what those
guys live on. And I feel like, okay, this is
I go into it knowing I'm gonna leave them a
tip because this is their livelihood. But then the other
thing too is I don't want, as you put it,
the special yep.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Oh no, I hit thirty percent. There goes my down
payment coffee for arian.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Quote. All right, this is this whole video is just
a lot. I was stressful.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
I'm not alone here, right. You just want to get
yourself a little sweet treat, and then all of a
sudden you're being asked to tip twenty five percent like
your debit card to help hostage. Studies have shown the
tip screens like this are actually turning customers away. The
pressure to tip is making people less likely to come
back and spend money. Guess it's worth of coffee, he says,
regular milk. Not only did I tip out of guilt,
now I'm getting a lacktose punishment for my generosity.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Why me, okay? Whatever?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
That is interesting from a marketing standpoint. When employees are
flipping the screen around and saying you want to go
ahead and leave a tip, and then they stare at you,
it's actually making people not want to come back again.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Like Mark said, do you go to a different place
every time? I don't. But that is a concern for.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
The Pizza Hut or the Dominoes or whoever's doing it
to me, because they could potentially be losing a repeat
customer simply because they're irritating me. But good news, Americans
are getting better at this. We have decided the guilt tipping. No,
we are cutting back on the guilt tipping. The percentage
of tips left is dropping. Americans are spending two hundred
(17:43):
and eighty three dollars on pressure driven tips. That is
down from last year's number of four hundred and fifty
three dollars. That's a significant drop off. An average of
one hundred and seventy dollars. I mean, we're talking a
third less. So if you were asking for thirty percent before,
you're getting twenty percent now, so we're all saying, nah,
(18:03):
you're not gonna do that to me. I'm not dealing
with it. You can also make them feel uncomfortable too,
when they flip it around and put that screen in
front of you. Just stare them right in the eye
and then put zero.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Just stare at.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Them, or do weird things like lick your lips, stare
at them, kind of wink at it.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Especially if it's the screen that they have to touch.
Lick your fingers and touch the screen.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, and like how do like yeah, and
then kind of like rub around, lick a little more.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, I mean like I'm not sure which.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Yeah, I don't be lick my finger just to make
sure I can really get a good grip on this here.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Right, I'm gonna give you the special all right, trust
no one.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You'll find out why that is and why college courses
are teaching against it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
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Speaker 2 (18:49):
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Safe to say you should trust no one uh wise
words also makes it very difficult to have deep lasting relationships,
but at least will be protected. For gen z born
between ninety seven and twenty twelve, social media, especially YouTube, TikTok, Instagram,
(19:12):
and Snapchat is now their source of information about the world.
They are no longer turning to traditional news outlets. They
don't even know what KFI is. It breaks my heart. Oh, yes,
they do because they listen on the apps. The wild
world where you live in and a survey of more
than a thousand young people from thirteen to eighteen, eighty
(19:33):
percent of them saidet they find conspiracy theories and their
social media feeds every week, and yet fewer than forty
percent have ever received instruction on figuring out if the
claims are true or false, which is why there is
now a new class. And instructor at Georgia State University
(19:53):
found that most of his students were coming to school.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
And they were They were no longer.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Like previous generations who had kind of a general understanding
of high school civics. No, now you've got kids showing
up in your American government one on one class, and
they have beliefs that have been shaped by hours on
TikTok when they've been bombarded by Nick Fuentes telling you
about how the white race is better, or trad wives
(20:23):
telling you about how staying at home and raising the
children is really what God intended. Or you've got radicals
on the other side they tell you that if you're
not willing to die for your cause, then is it
really a cause that you care about? And nutbags out there,
they spend hours. More than fifty percent of our waking
hours are now spent online, and for the younger generations,
(20:45):
that means TikTok, that means YouTube, that means Instagram. One
example of misinformation that was making the rounds back in
twenty twenty one when he started noticing that there was
a problem was an anonymously posted video that more than
half of the teens in a national survey said provided
strong evidence of US voter fraud. The video, however, was
(21:06):
actually shot in Russia. The context that could be gleaned
by entering just a few choice keywords into a browser,
but the kids saw it seemed credible and believed it.
The election was stolen, and then that concept has been
reinforced by politicians here stateside. So it is absolutely a
disinformation campaign coming from overseas by people with obviously ill
(21:31):
intent toward the United States and trying to drive divisiveness,
and then they buy right into it. In other words,
young people in their naivete have become useful idiots.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I actually give them credit because they're young, they don't
have experience.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
My trouble is when the useful idiots are older and
they start aping the messages without thinking through those messages themselves.
That's where we have problems. So what did this Georgia
State University professor do? He took a look at the
Civic Online Reasoning Curriculum. Now, this was developed at Stanford
(22:09):
and it is available to anyone, and it teaches a
set of strategies they say based on how professional fact
checkers evaluate online information. So he went to teaching his
kids how to determine if everything they've heard is crap.
Imagine that you are a kindergartener. Now, when I was
in kindergarten, my parents had a globe. You rarely ever
(22:31):
see a globe in anybody's house anymore, but we had
a globe. It wasn't fancy or anything. I mean, it
was the kind of thing you get at like Walmart.
It was super cheap.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Then we had it, and I was such a geek.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I used to on sick days, I would sit there
with that globe in my lap, and I thought, I'm sick,
but I should still learn something today.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Super nerd, super nerd.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Weird that I graduated high school of virgin Huh, I know, right, weird.
So anyway, as I was looking at this globe, now
I realize how great it was, how fortunate I was
to have this globe in front me, because I could
go and I could look things up on my own,
and I learned how to go find that information. But
imagine if you're a kindergartener and you don't have a globe,
(23:13):
you don't have any sort of map that would tell
you that the world is anything but flat. And imagine
your parents are flat earthers and they tell you the
world is flat. Kids, the world is flat. Now I'm
using an extreme example so you get my point. But
imagine if not only did your parents tell you that
the world is flat, but your aunts and your uncles
told you that the world is flat, and your cousins
were like, oh, yeah, we can't go too far that
(23:34):
way or we're gonna fall off the edge of the world.
And what if they told you, Now, you're a trusting
young person and these are authority figures, And what if
they told you that the moon landing was faked? And
what if they told you that every time you see
an airplane go by and you see a contrail of condensation, right,
you see a contrail behind the plane, that's actually the
(23:55):
government poisoning you with chemicals. Now, when you're a kid,
you believe everything. Well, I don't know if you remember
the kind of stuff that you believe when you were young,
but I believe some really weird stuff. I used to
believe that babies were born out of a woman's foot.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Until I was, like, I don't know, four or five
years old, I thought the babies came from feet.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Don't ask me how I came up with that, but
I believe that was the case. Would you care to
expand on that? Why it had to expand to give birth?
I really don't know how I came up with that concept.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I think it was because I have a mole in
the middle of my foot and I thought that was
like the umbilical cord or something like that. I have
no idea, man, I was just young and dumb, and
I just thought babies came from feet. Probably the weirdest
little fun fact about my childhood, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Well? Good for sure. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Anyway,
My point is, if.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
You're told all along that the world is one way
and someone challenges your worldview, they're not just challenging your worldview,
they are challenging. They're challenging your parents. You're challenging everything
that you believe. And if you give it on this
one thing, what are the other things your parents may
have told you that are absolute blooney? What are you
gonna say, Santa.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Claus isn't isn't coming down the chimney.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
You're telling me the Easter bunny didn't hop hop hop
and drop off some candy. No way, pal, I'm not
believing you. So if you have a bunch of young
people who don't know otherwise, and they are bombarded with
a similar message from people they trust, why in the
world would they ever change their viewpoint, which is the
point of misinformation. So now we're at the point where
we actually have to teach college students how to spot
(25:36):
somebody trying to take advantage of their naivete before they
become an adult useful idiot. Don Chris Merril, Uh, who
am I in for?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
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Speaker 3 (25:44):
Mark, I'm in from o Kelly. That's right.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
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Speaker 3 (26:00):
Moo Kelly Show.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
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We'll find out if you are on the trailer coming
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with his nine o'clock newscast with that here in just
a few moments.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Google's biggest competitor might be Google. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Google is trying to be everything to everyone all at once.
The problem is it could be hurting you. And if
it's hurting you, what used to you have for Google?
They're calling it Google zero. Quick Cast News talks about it.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Imagine waking up to a world where websites get no visits,
leaving vast digital landscapes deserted.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, imagine if people were searching for your website and
they didn't visit it.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Welcome to the concept of Google zero, a looming scenario
that's sending shock waves through online publishing circles.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Uh oh.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
At the heart of this digital discussion is Google AI
Overview and similar AI driven tools that are transforming how
we gather information.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Okay, go on.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Instead of directing users to websites, these advanced features are
providing direct answers, reducing the need for the classic click through.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh yeah, it's like when I bring something and I
get the copilot answer. Are you you google something and
you get the overview or the Gemini or whatever it is?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I see everybody wants to have their AI in there,
but nobody's visiting your websites.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And how are you selling ads?
Speaker 7 (27:23):
With fewer people opening those familiar blue links. The ripple
effects could be catastrophic for online publishers who rely heavily
on web traffic.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
A world where search engines essentially stop delivering visitors could
lead to the digital equivalent of ghost towns as websites
see their lifeblood visitor engagement dry up.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, but then how does overview gather new information?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I mean, one of the things about AIS is constantly
trying to gather new information. It's it's scouring news articles,
news items, it's scouring Reddit. It's all over, you know,
grock is all over trying to figure out just how
nazi it should be. So how does it continue to
(28:06):
learn if we stop publishing. We can't continue publishing if
we're not getting people to visit our websites.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Right, this shift raises critical questions about the balance between technologies, capabilities,
and its unintended consequences on the digital ecosystem. As AI
continues to evolve, the potential for Google zero challenges the
very foundation of how the web operates and thrives. Will
we adapt or will parts of the internet face decline?
(28:33):
Maybe stay connected as this story develops, Okay, like and
follow for more news.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now, ironically, it is an AI voice that's reading of
that story, and that was the most realistic AI voice
that I could find to read that story. I find
a lot of people that were talking about Google zero.
It was all AI crap, all AI crap, and it
sounds terrible. Incidentally, pay somebody to read your news, my god,
(28:58):
you can find This is one thing that makes me crazy.
If you are a company and you're trying to have
a narration on a video every day. Don't rely on
AI to do that.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Really.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Now, I'm not saying you have to go out and
hire a professional voice actor. You don't have to become
a union shop that's doing all this. I'm not saying that.
But find somebody that knows how to read. They can
read this stuff. If you've got to find a high
school kid in theater class and say, hey, we're looking
for somebody to voice some of these little news items
that we're putting together, get in the experience. Don't have
(29:35):
AI reading yourself. I've seen this so much when I
go looking for audio to supplement our news stories. So
many different places are putting out the stories and they're
just having AI read it. And it's so so bad,
and I'm glad that it's bad. I don't want it
to be good. I don't want the competition. But what
I do want to see is people say, we understand
(29:56):
AI may get better, but there's an opportunity here to
allow someone to get better, an actual individual to get better.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It doesn't cost you that.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I mean, even if you've got to pay somebody ten
bucks to read the news item, is that setting you back,
Like I said, usually you can find some high school
theater kid that'll do it just for the reps. Anyway,
when it comes to the Google zero, according to Financial
Times and AI overviews, we're cannibalizing website visits.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Four and five.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Consumers are relying now on zero click search results in
at least forty percent of their searches. While Google disputes
the findings of some of the studies that have come
out whatever they extended the impact of overviews and now
AI mode, publishers are preparing for a future where Google
is less crucial to their sites. So if you don't
need Google because it's not sending anything to your website,
(30:42):
where is Google going to get the information? And what
does Google's future business model look like if it just
cannibalized its own customer base.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah, that's a problem. That's an issue.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
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